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| xavinux | but installer-shell install image to Hard Disk ok if I login via SSH and run the installer | 02:49 |
| xavinux | after installation via SSH i586 boots ok | 03:12 |
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| juiceme | Sage, just installed nemo-armv7hl-n950-0.20130620.0.1 on N9 and trying some basic functionality | 09:29 |
| juiceme | first impression is, I cannot create contacts, I try to maually create the first instance but after clicking "save" it just disappears... | 09:30 |
| juiceme | did not try calls yet, SMS in and out works. | 09:31 |
| juiceme | I had no problems with device date, it automatically detected the correct time/date, whether from GSM or from device clock, cannot say. | 09:31 |
| w00t | juiceme: rpm -q qtcontacts-sqlite? also check journalctl -f while you're doing things | 09:32 |
| juiceme | just a moment. | 09:32 |
| juiceme | w00t, rpm -q qtcontacts-sqlite says "package qtcontacts-sqlite is not installed" | 09:34 |
| w00t | well that's not good | 09:35 |
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| juiceme | yes.. I'd suppose it would be installed on the default image. | 09:42 |
| w00t | juiceme: rpm -q qtcontacts-tracker? | 09:42 |
| timoph | it's not | 09:42 |
| timoph | just did a fresh install on n950 and no qtcontacts-sqlite on it | 09:43 |
| juiceme | w00t, that's not installed either :( | 09:43 |
| w00t | o.O | 09:43 |
| w00t | Sage: do you remember what used to pull in qtcontacts-tracker? | 09:43 |
| w00t | i'd have assumed patterns as it's a backend-type thing, not API, so not a direct requirement | 09:43 |
| juiceme | how's that possible?? I just dumped the tar on my mmcblk0p4 and booted it... | 09:44 |
| timoph | qtcontacts-sqlite-0.0.14-3.1.Nemo.armv7hl obsoletes qtcontacts-tracker <= 4.19.2 provided by qtcontacts-tracker-4.19.2-2.1.Nemo.armv7hl | 09:44 |
| w00t | yep | 09:44 |
| w00t | that's as it should be | 09:44 |
| timoph | so I guess the sqlite one should be there | 09:44 |
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| timoph | seems to play the busy beep quite a long time after the other end hangs up before answering | 09:49 |
| timoph | is 3g data connection supposed to work? | 09:49 |
| timoph | oh. and the operator name showed up correctly at first but after a while it turned into a number | 09:55 |
| timoph | 24405 | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, bug in n9 modem | 09:55 |
| w00t | known bug somewhere in ofono with the n9/n950 | 09:55 |
| timoph | ack | 09:55 |
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| juiceme | OK, so the release is a bit lacking then, back to the previous it is I guess... | 09:59 |
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| timoph | also the settings button in the pull down menu doesn't do anything | 10:00 |
| timoph | power button in it works though | 10:00 |
| timoph | the calendar application needs some loving | 10:02 |
| stephg | timoph, thing the settings button thing is an artefact of the old settings app going away and being replaced with the new | 10:04 |
| Sage | w00t: probably should be part of the mw pattern or so | 10:04 |
| timoph | stephg: ah. thanks | 10:04 |
| w00t | the menu will change quite a bit when we push over to wayland | 10:05 |
| timoph | all in all. quite a bit of improvement since I last tried nemo | 10:06 |
| timoph | nice work | 10:06 |
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| w00t | timoph: :) | 10:10 |
| timoph | hmmh. seems to be possible to get the application icon grid of it's rails horizontally | 10:11 |
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| w00t | yes, PathView bug in qt | 10:15 |
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| xavinux | Hi people, hope you are well | 10:16 |
| xavinux | Having problem when installing i586 vm last version on virtualbox to Hard Disk: | 10:17 |
| xavinux | ERROR : '/tmp/sysimage/di is not a subvolume. | 10:17 |
| xavinux | I have screenshots of /tmp/install.log logfiles | 10:17 |
| xavinux | but installer-shell install image to Hard Disk ok if I login via SSH and run the installer. After installation via SSH i586 boots ok | 10:17 |
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| Netweaver | hi all, small question on the latest Nemo Mobile rnd/devel status, running on an N900. btw, this issue also existed in my previous, 2 month old image : in the running app overview screen there are no red-cross close buttons anymore, so unless I go to command prompt and start killing off things, I can't close anything anymore. Any idea ? | 11:05 |
| Morpog_N9 | swipe down to close? | 11:07 |
| Morpog_N9 | or in app overview screen: a long press and then the x | 11:09 |
| Netweaver | aaah ok. my fault. THanks :) | 11:11 |
| Morpog_N9 | like on n9 | 11:12 |
| Netweaver | I'm only having a N900, never had the joy of having the N9. But I must say, smoothness in general, even on N900 has improved a lost in the latest iterations, compared to early versions. | 11:14 |
| Morpog_N9 | well, all the stugg from jolla :) | 11:15 |
| Morpog_N9 | stuff | 11:15 |
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| Netweaver | it might even help a bit more if you would provide a thumb version of all binaries/repositories, as the latest u-boot from pali already sets all flags needed to be able to run thumb binaries. With the old, memory challenged N900 it might make a difference. | 11:21 |
| Morpog_N9 | well, thats more a questuon for sage or sledges | 11:24 |
| Netweaver | I understand the N900 is a bit of a dead platform, due to the weak hardware but anything to make it run faster is good, if you have the diskspace fore the repositories and the capacity for an extra build target, it might be interesting to see how far we get. | 11:26 |
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| xavinux | Sage: Hi, Im having problem when installing i486 or i586 vm on virtualbox to Hard Disk: "ERROR : '/tmp/sysimage/di is not a subvolume" I found that image cab be install to Hard Disk ok with the installer-shell, if I login via SSH and run it. After installation via SSH i586 boots ok. Have /tmp/install.log logfiles | 11:37 |
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| diskreet | Netweaver: what software are you using to flash the N900 with the latest builds? | 12:04 |
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| diskreet | would appreciate a little bit help as the subject is still a little bit new. specifically, should the "old" maemo flasher still work or do I need something else | 12:05 |
| Netweaver | @diskreet: I did 2 months ago the 'normal' full image flash copy to the uSD card via WIndows. I did NOT wite to eMMC. And yesterday I upgraded to the latest rnd/devel, as per the wiki info | 12:07 |
| Netweaver | A Thumb version, installed on eMMC, with swap enabled on uSD card and an mild overclock would be v v sweet, looking how good things are already running now. | 12:08 |
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| w00t | Netweaver: there is plans for a thumb build, but it's been blocked on somebugs with qemu I think | 12:19 |
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| diskreet | Netweaver: yes the uSD card is trivial, I was wondering about the uboot image flashing part | 12:24 |
| diskreet | or uImage or however it's called | 12:30 |
| diskreet | e.g. at least with meego the process seemed to be 1) write release image to uSD card 2) flash vmlinuz image to N900. perhaps it's somehow different now and these are stupid questions. I don't know :) | 12:33 |
| Netweaver | @Kiskreet, how do you mean? There are currently 2 working uboot solutions, the original Nemo (stskeeps and others) one and the Pali one. The Pali one is the most flexible, versatile solution but a bit more user config error-prone due to the flexibility and power it gives you | 12:34 |
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| diskreet | yes, I have the vanilla uboot-pr13 installed. but I still have not been able to figure out that is this part necessary: 2) flash vmlinuz image to N900 | 12:39 |
| diskreet | for example if I do a diff of http://releases.nemomobile.org/snapshots/images/0.20130218.0.1.NEMO.2013-02-15.1/images/nemo-handset-armv7hl-n900/nemo-handset-armv7hl-n900-vmlinuz-2.6.37-12.8.Nemo.Adaptation.N900-adaptation-n900 and http://releases.nemomobile.org/snapshots/images/0.20130124.0.2.NEMO.2013-01-27.2/images/nemo-handset-armv7hl-n900/nemo-handset-armv7hl-n900-vmlinuz-2.6.37-12.8.Nemo.Adaptation.N900-adaptation-n900 the files differ | 12:40 |
| diskreet | so I have presumed I need to load this kernel to the device every time I load the corresponding .raw to uSD | 12:40 |
| diskreet | if this is not tha case but rather I don't need to flash anything, all the better | 12:41 |
| diskreet | *the | 12:41 |
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| diskreet | on the other hand if I RTFM from https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing#Nokia_N900 the first requirement "A Nokia N900, updated to PR 1.3." ... I suppose that means I don't need to flash anything and nemo should just work with the stock 2.6.28 kernel in PR 1.3 | 12:49 |
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| Netweaver | @diskreet: Nemo doesn't need/use the 2.6.28 kernel at all, it has it's own, newer kernel included in the image (be it in eMMC or on the uSD card). Going to PR1.3 is ANYWAY the best thing to do. BUT you do need a uboot solution so the computer knows where to start the kernel from, with which ATAG attributes, boot params and initrd. The 'old' Nemo uboot version is the easiest one to use, if you don't know exactly what you're doing. It does all for | 12:59 |
| Netweaver | you. On the cmore complete/complex solution : further info you can find here : http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613&highlight=uboot | 12:59 |
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| xavinux | w00t.: Hi, I'm having problem when installing i486 or i586 vm on virtualbox to Hard Disk: "ERROR : '/tmp/sysimage/di is not a subvolume" I found that image cab be install to Hard Disk ok with the installer-shell, if I login via SSH and run it. After installation via SSH i586 boots ok. Have /tmp/install.log logfiles | 13:02 |
| Netweaver | @diskreet: but I recommend, to use the Nemo uboot version if you're not strong on boot configs. Presence of the Nemo image written uSD card in the phone will determine what to start. Nemo in : start Nemo from uSD. uSd card in but no Nemo on it (or no uSD card in): Start normal Maemo kernel. Easy | 13:03 |
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| diskreet | Netweaver: thanks for the clarification! Though the backlight on my N900 doesn't always light up when it boots so unfortunately it's a bit difficult to see the bootloader messages | 13:13 |
| diskreet | I think I'll reflash PR1.3 with maemo flasher, reinstall uboot-pr13 if necessary, and load the nemo 0.20130620.0.1 build to the uSD and see what happens. | 13:14 |
| diskreet | Netweaver: BTW. also about the "dead platform" comment... I have 2-3 friends who will definitely switch from maemo to nemo on their N900 the minute it's solid enough for daily use :) | 13:16 |
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| Netweaver | @diskreet: the action plan is a good one! And I agree on the future of the N900. It's a lovely machine (I deliberately not call it a phone, I have never ever called it a phone). But the HW is getting old, plus, without the proper software, it will stay a side project of the 'big' Jolla boys, giving back knowledge and time when they can/want + lots of good effort from a lot of unpaid volunteers. If Nemo/Mer would become a proper QT Designer targe | 13:22 |
| Netweaver | t, and/or an easier full SDK would exist, then things could go fast though. | 13:22 |
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| Netweaver | @diskreet: but the current rate of change will make that difficult. Seeing now the discussion of an overhaul of the complete UI in Nemo, being (possibly) based on the QT 5.1 QT Quick Controls, makes is again a different beast, let alone the effort to run all with Wayland. No X server anymore. Bleeding edge platform, not a good basis for stable End-User software design. But lots of fun nevertheless. | 13:25 |
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| diskreet | oh :O I had no idea about the wayland stuff | 13:32 |
| diskreet | wasn't that the lib that was bound for ubuntu but which they later replaced with mir? | 13:34 |
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| Netweaver | Wayland has it's own merits, nothing to do with Mir. Competing. And yes, Ubuntu is playing 'cavalier seul' in their Mir efforts. Not really appreciated too much by the wider Linux community because Ubuntu has soo much weight, both money and influence. | 14:07 |
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| Superpelican | Netweaver:Are they going to create a new Nemo UI?! | 14:26 |
| Superpelican | Netweaver:I thought they just had a new one | 14:26 |
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| Netweaver | there are talks about it, last days quite some chatter on IRC and mailing lists, to improve things on the homescreen side and rewrite the user side apps, to take into account the new (not fully stable) QT 5.1 QT Quick Controls. But they aren't there yet. At least a design lead is appointed and work/thinking has started. Don't expect anything real soon. | 14:30 |
| Superpelican | Netweaver:Will the UI change drastically | 14:31 |
| Superpelican | Netweaver:I thought the swipe based UI was pretty good already | 14:32 |
| aknight | will this be a strictly touch-oriented ui? | 14:32 |
| Netweaver | probably not ... still discussing what exacty needs to change. Plus the need to stay compatible with the older Harmattan Controls. No easy task. Follow the mailing lists for more info. | 14:33 |
| Netweaver | I'm not involved at all, I'm just listening into to the discussions. | 14:33 |
| fk_lx | aknight: are you the Digia guy from Devaamo? | 14:36 |
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| cybette_ | fk_lx: yes he is :) | 15:21 |
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| fk_lx | cybette: hi !!!!! :-)))) | 15:24 |
| fk_lx | cybette: and thanks for answer | 15:24 |
| cybette | fk_lx: heyyyyy! | 15:24 |
| cybette | anytime | 15:24 |
| fk_lx | cybette: and thanks for everything - hosting etc. | 15:24 |
| fk_lx | I thought you rarely look on IRC :-) | 15:24 |
| cybette | fk_lx: we were happy to have you in tampere! stay longer next time ;) | 15:25 |
| cybette | well i lurk mostly, and catch up on what's going on when i have time | 15:26 |
| cybette | like now, dinner time :D | 15:26 |
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| fk_lx | :-) | 15:29 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | :D | 15:45 |
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