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gry | sledges: :) | 02:31 |
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niqt | morning | 06:49 |
rosenrot | hi | 06:49 |
gry | morning :) | 06:49 |
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Sage | o/ | 07:06 |
Sage | morning | 07:06 |
niqt | hi Sage | 07:08 |
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Sage | so who is up for testing some images? :) | 07:34 |
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Sage | ;) | 07:35 |
w00t | i'll have to fetch my n950 and update it, i bet it'll take a while | 07:35 |
Sage | I'm cooking new (actually first?) release images thus I would like someone to test them :) | 07:36 |
w00t | ah | 07:37 |
w00t | where are you releasing from? testing? | 07:37 |
Sage | From release, an actual release :D | 07:39 |
Sage | http://releases.nemomobile.org/releases/0.20130620.0.1/ | 07:39 |
Sage | basically it is what is in testing atm. | 07:40 |
w00t | ah, so we'll start using release, ok ;) | 07:41 |
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diskreet | Sage: I'm up for testing with an N900 the minute somebody confirms I should be able to flash an uImage in the same fashion as the previous vmlinuz image :) | 07:51 |
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neochapay_ | i have xorg error What is wrong? http://pastebin.com/smJ9GVKU | 08:34 |
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anYc | diskreet: you mean replacing a vmlinuz by a uImage? I'm not sure about vmlinuz but I had problems before with different kernel formats and the bootloader | 08:35 |
anYc | uboot afair | 08:35 |
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diskreet | anYc: I mean that this http://releases.nemomobile.org/snapshots/images/0.20130218.0.1.NEMO.2013-02-15.1/images/nemo-handset-armv7hl-n900/ was seemingly the last snapshot to contain a vmlinuz image while it's missing from http://releases.nemomobile.org/snapshots/images/0.20130218.1.NEMO.2013-03-24.2/nemo-armv7hl-n900/ and after | 09:25 |
diskreet | I tried to load the uImage one with maemo flasher 3.5 (and writing the corresponding .raw to microSD) but all I got after the initial boot messages was a blank screen, in 3 successive attempts. the longest I waited for something to happen was about 15 minutes. | 09:27 |
diskreet | I also have this problem that the display isn't backlit after flashing so it's hard to see what's going on | 09:28 |
sledges | neochapay_, version/device ? | 09:32 |
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anYc | diskreet: I'm not really familiar with this topic but I think vmlinuz is compressed while ulinux is not. maybe it's expecting a compressed image. got a problem with uboot the other way around. had to decompress the image before I was able to boot (https://kicherer.org/joomla/index.php/en/blog/liste/32-recovering-a-non-booting-nokia-n900-with-maemo-from-a-sd-card) | 09:36 |
anYc | s/ulinux/uImage/ | 09:37 |
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neochapay_ | sledges: http://www.friendlyarm.net/products/tiny210v2 | 09:40 |
neochapay_ | sledges: PowerVR SGX540 | 09:40 |
diskreet | anYc: sounds reasonable. I think I'll change to linux for the flashing stuff going forward since it has nicer tools for troubleshooting.... (I've been working on a windows host for both flashing & SD writing because the SD reader on my linux box doesn't like the microSD->SD chassis I have for some reason.) | 09:43 |
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xavinux | Hi people, have a nice day | 10:05 |
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xavinux | sledges: Hi, how are you | 10:18 |
sledges | hello xavinux, just back from long holiday weekend, trying to submerge into work :) | 10:25 |
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xavinux | yes I have read your mail todayabout Nemo UI :) | 10:26 |
xavinux | 'va been working on two new posts: "Nemo Mobile Structure" and "Nemo OS components functions" at xavinux.blogspot.com.ar. Would like to know your opinion, when of course you have time to read them... | 10:31 |
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sledges | neochapay_, something's wrong with Xorg/video drivers and/or settings. I'm not familiar with friendlyARM, but surely you can find info on that, and reflect it on Mer | 10:35 |
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sledges | xavinux, very exhaustive, keep up the good work and direct noobs there :) (side note, you could make your blog have a side menu/margins, as the text is too lengthy-lines to read on a wide screen) | 10:38 |
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xavinux | will correct that point, thanks for your opinion | 10:41 |
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xavinux | Also have been working in Bugs; 18, 93 and 347 and leave comments in each one. Please, take a look at them when you are able, to know if it's ok what I do :) | 10:44 |
sledges | will do as soon as I free up :) (might take a while ;) | 10:45 |
xavinux | np, thanks :) | 10:51 |
sledges | and thanks to you ;) | 10:52 |
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Sage | http://releases.nemomobile.org/releases/0.20130620.0.1/images/ <- testing help needed | 11:59 |
Sage | note this is probalby the first nemo release that went through the whole process so feedback welcome | 11:59 |
Sage | NOTE: it is _static_ release you can reproduce it \o/ :)( | 11:59 |
stephg | oooh | 12:01 |
stephg | Sage: will have a go this afternoon | 12:01 |
GentSir | Sage, is the bug in i586 that prevents it from connecting to the internet as a vm fixed? Or will I still have to use i486 if I want it to connect? | 12:07 |
gry | hi, anyone with nemo have year setting problems? | 12:07 |
xavinux | GentSir: se xavinux.blogspot.com.ar there I explain how to connecti to Internet a VM | 12:09 |
Sage | GentSir: can you describe the bug a bit more in detail? filed bug about it? | 12:09 |
xavinux | you must configure connman | 12:09 |
GentSir | Sage, I remember reading in here it was a bug that made it so i586 couldn't connect while i486 couldn't, I didn't test it myself. I'll download the new i586 image and see if I have any trouble though. | 12:10 |
xavinux | Sage: I will test otday that image and tell results | 12:10 |
GentSir | xavinux, Yes, I read that for i486 and it was useful | 12:11 |
xavinux | GentSir: aplly to i586 also | 12:11 |
xavinux | *apply | 12:11 |
GentSir | I'll have the new image in 20-30 minutes, don't have the best connection here | 12:12 |
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xavinux | downloading... | 12:17 |
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sledges | Sage, GentSir, i586 does not boot after installing it to hdd. i486 does. tested on same images. latest [today's] image untested | 12:37 |
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GentSir | sledges, my apologies, I mixed up the issues | 12:38 |
sledges | no worries, and yes, a bug should have been filed, but it wasn't | 12:39 |
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sledges | :) | 12:39 |
GentSir | You're not offending me with that :) | 12:40 |
GentSir | If I can get fingerterm to work properly for me I'll install the image in virtualbox | 12:40 |
sledges | lol no, just trying to evade Sage's fury :D whoever was affected by that bug could've filed one :)) | 12:40 |
xavinux | sledges: although image didn't boot after install to HDD, internet connection must work if Virtualboxi network is set on "bridge"? | 12:41 |
xavinux | I have tersted that | 12:41 |
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sledges | xavinux, vm image is a live CD - functionality such as connectivity should work exactly in the same way as from the HDD installation | 12:42 |
Sage | :P | 12:43 |
Sage | I'm not using fingerterm for installation but ssh myself :) | 12:43 |
xavinux | also do I | 12:43 |
Sage | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing#VirtualBox <- find SSH part | 12:43 |
Sage | port forwarding that is | 12:43 |
GentSir | That is a far better option, I didn't even consider it | 12:44 |
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xavinux | Sage: I've tested SSH without Port fowarding and have access via SSH to the VM ok | 12:46 |
GentSir | xavinux, how did you ssh into the VM? | 12:46 |
GentSir | It's not something I do often | 12:46 |
xavinux | ssh root@vm_ip | 12:47 |
xavinux | see in my blog there is also an explanation | 12:47 |
GentSir | You are just all sorts of useful | 12:47 |
Sage | ssh -o port=4022 nemo@localhost | 12:48 |
xavinux | ssh root@nemo_machine_ip_address | 12:48 |
GentSir | xavinux, your blog has a .ar domain, are you from Argentina? | 12:49 |
xavinux | Gentsir: yes I am | 12:49 |
mikhas | I like it when people use their country domains! | 12:49 |
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GentSir | xavinux, is English your second language then? Just asking because I like to use it more properly when non-native speakers are around :) | 12:50 |
Sage | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing#SSH_Port_Forwarding <- updated a bit | 12:50 |
mikhas | OTOH, I am not sure I like the concept of TLD at all … | 12:50 |
xavinux | GentSir: I studied english languaje since I was 6 years old, try to practice it often :) | 12:51 |
xavinux | sage: why is it necessary to forwarding SSH port to 4022 to get connected? | 12:53 |
GentSir | xavinux, Was just curious. I know many people learn it later and as such get confused with improper use and slang | 12:53 |
Sage | xavinux: it is not mandatory if your device gets IP that can be accessed otherwise with ip | 12:54 |
Sage | for me at least that is required | 12:54 |
xavinux | sage: ok, thnaks :) | 12:56 |
Morpog_N9 | so will qmlmozbrowser added to default nemo image? have seen the packages in repository | 12:56 |
Sage | Morpog_N9: yes | 12:58 |
Sage | Morpog_N9: it was waiting for some other things but we should be able to merge it now | 12:58 |
Morpog_N9 | woot, so i contributed a bit to nemo :) | 12:59 |
GentSir | xavinux, how do you ssh into the vm when it's in bridged mode? | 13:00 |
xavinux | GentSir: are you using Linux or Windows? If you are using Ubuntu for example. open a console and type: ssh root@nemo_machine_ip_address | 13:03 |
xavinux | if you are using Windows, you will need an SSH client, for example Putty | 13:03 |
GentSir | xavinux, Linux, of course :) Trying to find the ip for the vm | 13:05 |
xavinux | in finger term type: ifconfig | 13:06 |
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GentSir | I did | 13:07 |
xavinux | if you want to, you can configure a static IP with connman | 13:07 |
GentSir | What's the root pass for nemo? | 13:09 |
GentSir | I tried "nemo" and it didn't work | 13:09 |
gry | try logging in as 'developer' with 'nemo' password, see if it works | 13:10 |
xavinux | nemo pass work for me | 13:10 |
gry | try logging in as root with empty password | 13:11 |
xavinux | then I 've changed it | 13:11 |
GentSir | whoops, it was a different machine | 13:11 |
gry | ahh that's better :) | 13:11 |
xavinux | :) | 13:11 |
GentSir | I will figure out how to do this. I feel like a noob not knowing how to ssh into a vm | 13:11 |
xavinux | don't worry....:) command I give you must work | 13:12 |
xavinux | if it's asking for password you can access via ssh | 13:12 |
xavinux | try nemo that is the default pass | 13:12 |
GentSir | Let me try running as NAT to get an ip in | 13:13 |
GentSir | No, I accidentally connected to a different machine and tried nemo as the pass | 13:13 |
xavinux | ah ok, so try againg in Bridge with pass to the vm | 13:14 |
xavinux | you must get access | 13:14 |
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xavinux | in nat you will foward ports, in bridge is more simply to connect and get access to internet form the Nemo VM | 13:17 |
GentSir | I can't figure out how to do it in Bridge. I'm just going to set up the port forwarding in NAT for ssh access, and leave Bridge enabled for the VM to connect to the internet. | 13:18 |
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xavinux | if you use bridge, you can't do NAT | 13:27 |
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xavinux | see the screeshot in my blog to see how I configure it | 13:28 |
xavinux | there is all the process | 13:28 |
GentSir | It's just taking a bit because I've got some other stuff I'm working on | 13:30 |
xavinux | ok, np :) | 13:33 |
GentSir | I don't really use VM's often, hence my ignorance | 13:35 |
xavinux | don't worry, hope I can be useful | 13:36 |
xavinux | :) | 13:36 |
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gry | ? | 14:19 |
gry | are you all like living with 1993 in latest version and being okay with it? or it is just me and everyone else found how to work around the broken year setting window? | 14:19 |
gry | I have no clue where it saves the setting even | 14:20 |
Stskeeps | gry: can you do a photo/screenshot of the issue/ what app is it in? | 14:20 |
gry | settings > time and date > date > lets me pick date, month, and year, year is cycling between 1972 and 1993 | 14:21 |
GentSir | I personally don't mind living in 1993 | 14:21 |
gry | \o/ | 14:21 |
fk_lx | GentSir: :-D | 14:22 |
GentSir | Year I was born, so it couldn't have been too dreary | 14:22 |
gry | i bet it saves all files in wrong year now | 14:22 |
Stskeeps | are we still on MTF settings there? | 14:23 |
Stskeeps | or is it qml | 14:23 |
special | qml | 14:23 |
w00t | well, depending on how up to date his image is.. it should be qml | 14:23 |
Stskeeps | ok, and who wrote the time setting? :P | 14:23 |
w00t | me, technically, but i disclaim all ownership over bugs | 14:24 |
sledges | I'll rephrase Stskeeps: who can git clone qmlsettings find and fix the bug and git push a PR ? | 14:25 |
w00t | the bug will be somewhere in qt-components, not settings | 14:25 |
w00t | (DatePickerDialog is shared from components) | 14:25 |
Stskeeps | gry: when you connect to a wifi it should pick up correct date and time - this doesn't happen? | 14:25 |
w00t | i can't reproduce it here, earliest year i have is 2012, last year is 2033 | 14:26 |
sledges | s/qmlsettings/affected project/ :) | 14:27 |
w00t | ah | 14:29 |
w00t | i think i see the probable problem | 14:29 |
gry | Stskeeps: I just have wired internet (over usb) and it doesn't pick it up | 14:29 |
w00t | https://github.com/nemomobile/qt-components/blob/master/src/meego/extras/DatePickerDialog.qml#L78 | 14:29 |
w00t | https://github.com/nemomobile/qmlsettings/blob/master/timedate/TimeAndDateSettings.qml#L104 | 14:30 |
Stskeeps | gry: ah, yeah, usb networking is fun | 14:30 |
w00t | setting some sane minimum/maximum in there will probably help | 14:30 |
gry | ha! | 14:30 |
gry | no idea where that file is on the phone, '-bash: locate: command not found', zypper install locate → No provider of 'locate' found.. which package is it in? | 14:32 |
sledges | gry, great find!, for now as root: `date -s 24 Jun 15:31:19` until problem's sorted | 14:32 |
gry | date: extra operand `15:31:19' | 14:32 |
gry | Try `date --help' for more information. | 14:32 |
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sledges | date -s "24 Jun 15:31:19" | 14:33 |
sledges | date -s "24 Jun 15:31:19 2013" | 14:33 |
sledges | ofc :)) | 14:33 |
gry | i like -bash: man: command not found and it being absent in zypper too | 14:33 |
sledges | mobile OSs like Nemo is no man's land :) | 14:34 |
gry | [root@localhost ~]# date -s "25 Jun 00:04:00 2013" | 14:34 |
gry | date: invalid date `25 Jun 00:04:00 2013' | 14:34 |
sledges | regarding "man's" absence, see slide 12 and 13 http://elinux.org/images/c/c2/Csimmonds-end-of-embedded-linux.pdf | 14:35 |
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sledges | gry | 14:36 |
sledges | date -s "24 Jun 2013 15:31:19" | 14:36 |
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gry | yup, excellent :) | 14:37 |
sledges | &} | 14:37 |
w00t | (if someone files a bug and dumps my lines above, or better still, fixes it without my intervention, that'd be grand :-p) | 14:38 |
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gry | I don't think I get the logic here, if current year is 2013 then why doesn't it default to 2013+20 like documented? I could see it using 1993 if current is 1973, but not really otherwise | 14:43 |
sledges | I don't think your current year was 2013 tbh | 14:43 |
sledges | btw, does it work now after date -s ? | 14:44 |
gry | now it is, I reopen setting window and it doesn't have it selected | 14:44 |
sledges | maybe a reboot is needed? | 14:44 |
xavinux | what about of configuring ntp on Nemo to connect to an NTP Server and auto configure date and time form that Server? | 14:44 |
gry | everywhere in interface, yes; in settings window date picker, no | 14:44 |
special | gry: because when you're setting the date for the first time, the "current year" could be anything. | 14:44 |
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gry | ok, I'll assume it'll fix after phone reboot then; for the first case, year was 1973, so it defaulted to 1993 as max year; would setting max year to 2100 or replacing 20 with 120 make sense? | 14:48 |
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sledges | gry, try to think which solution would make most users/devs/testers happy in a long run | 14:52 |
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sledges | there might be a Dr Who tester who wants to see how nemo behaves in the future, say 2200 | 14:53 |
sledges | so setting max year to 2100 would break that test case | 14:53 |
gry | the original idea was to default to a small amount of years to select from, say, 20 | 14:53 |
sledges | meanwhile, would there be cases breaking +120 case? | 14:53 |
sledges | true | 14:53 |
gry | that original idea was rubbish, because after reboot I'm at 1970 again, and it'd need at least 43 | 14:54 |
sledges | but 15:44 < special> gry: because when you're setting the date for the first time, the "current year" could be anything. | 14:54 |
gry | which is where I'm lost as to what an ideal solution should be | 14:54 |
sledges | there is no ideal solution (given this "to default to a small amount of years to select from" constraint) | 14:55 |
sledges | so that constraint should be questioned itself | 14:55 |
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gry | wouldn't a 2200 tester break with +120? | 14:56 |
w00t | i'd say that a sensible fix is current_year + 100, honestly :) | 14:56 |
gry | 1970+120 = 2090 | 14:56 |
w00t | if you want to test 2200, then you get to test it in 100 year increments first | 14:56 |
sledges | yup, 2200 test case is also least likely | 14:58 |
gry | ok, so I rebooted phone, I'm at 1970. I see 1990 in the list. I set it, close the dialog, reopen it, and read it. it does have 2010 - so I think that works | 14:58 |
gry | https://github.com/Gryllida/qt-components/compare/nemomobile:master...patch-1?quick_pull=1 | 14:59 |
gry | untested | 14:59 |
sledges | so is the broken link above ;) | 15:00 |
gry | ? it works for me | 15:03 |
gry | oh, I think I'll create a proper pull request too | 15:04 |
gry | https://github.com/nemomobile/qt-components/pull/9 | 15:04 |
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gry | thanks all | 15:44 |
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gry | is nemo OS available in other languages at all? I could help with such things (and become more familiar with package structures meanwhile) | 15:47 |
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stephg | Sage, well it boots :) | 15:54 |
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Sage | stephg: good ;) | 15:57 |
Sage | stephg: can you show output of "ssu s" on it? | 15:57 |
stephg | yep one sec | 15:58 |
stephg | Device registration status: not registered | 15:59 |
stephg | Device model: N9 | 15:59 |
stephg | Device UID: 357923044782649 | 15:59 |
stephg | Release: 0.20130620.0.1 | 15:59 |
Sage | last line? :) | 15:59 |
stephg | (all I did after booting was a zypper ref; zypper dup) | 15:59 |
stephg | 0.20130620.0.1 | 16:00 |
Sage | ah right | 16:00 |
* Sage is blind | 16:00 | |
stephg | ha | 16:00 |
Sage | stephg: zypper ref and zypper dup worked without errors? | 16:00 |
stephg | yep, first time | 16:00 |
Sage | ok, you need to do ssu re latest to get updates in the future from releases | 16:01 |
stephg | only updates were some mesa things and some of the meego theme things | 16:01 |
stephg | kk | 16:01 |
stephg | think this is an important release insofar as I think the update on the older one became broken | 16:02 |
stephg | hacking around your instructions I still couldn't get it to upgrade properly | 16:02 |
stephg | so this one is good :) | 16:02 |
Sage | well, I haven't had issues in updating myself :/ | 16:02 |
stephg | if you updated before the old repos went away I think it worked, it was updating from the last release *after* the repos that was hard (well that was my experience anyway) | 16:03 |
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ZogG_laptop | good morning/evening | 16:27 |
xavinux | good morning ZogG_laptop | 16:34 |
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ericcc | hi xavinux | 16:37 |
xavinux | hi ericcc, how are you... | 16:37 |
ericcc | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90537 | 16:37 |
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ericcc | browser. | 16:38 |
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Morpog_PC | ericcc, still wrong channel :) | 16:53 |
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xavinux | Sage: no Flight Mode in "Settings" on i586? | 17:04 |
sledges | xavinux, ask w00t . and if there is no, it doesn't mean there won't be ;) | 17:04 |
sledges | (it's all a matter of porting flight-mode code from old meego-settings to this new qmlsettings) | 17:05 |
xavinux | :) | 17:06 |
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xavinux | sledges: in bug 18 I noticed that with i486 vm no "Flight Mode" appears in Settings options after installation was made to Hard Disk. Only "WIFI" option appears in Settings, and after Disable it, can still access to Websites from Browser. | 17:08 |
Merbot | Nemo bug 18 in Settings/ControlPanel "Flight mode control panel does not work" [Normal,New] https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18 | 17:08 |
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sledges | xavinux, old meegotouch-controlpanel (=settings) is going away. latest image has switched to qmlsettings and this is the app to work on | 17:13 |
sledges | as you see, nemo is a constantly moving train :) very unlikely now that someone will be fixing the bug NEMO#18 since new settings app is out. Please test the today'ss fresh image instead. | 17:14 |
xavinux | ok was understand | 17:15 |
sledges | the new settings app has a wifi toggle button on the main screen | 17:16 |
sledges | once other connectivity is working in Nemo (GSM/GPRS, Bluetooth, ...), there will be more items under the "Connectivity" in Settings | 17:17 |
sledges | I believe then the wifi toggle button will be reversed and renamed into "Flight mode" | 17:17 |
sledges | you can close that bug as WONTFIX and add appropriate comment | 17:18 |
sledges | thanks :) | 17:18 |
sledges | or don't close it yet | 17:21 |
sledges | it can be closed when new settings have flight mode ;) | 17:21 |
sledges | same about NEMO#93 | 17:22 |
xavinux | ok so will wait to close them | 17:22 |
xavinux | htanks | 17:22 |
sledges | so basically they are not bugs anymore | 17:22 |
sledges | they are tasks ;) | 17:22 |
xavinux | ok so I will not close them | 17:23 |
sledges | lbt, can you make NEMO bugs 18 and 93 tasks? ;) or shall they be re-created as tasks since now we are having the new settings app rewritten from scratch? | 17:23 |
xavinux | btw tell if the blog is looking better. I have made some changes as you suggested me :) | 17:23 |
xavinux | when you can.. | 17:24 |
xavinux | :) | 17:24 |
sledges | xavinux, I think blog design should be as wide as for example http://lipgloss.wordpress.com/ | 17:25 |
sledges | you could compress it even more (make it as wide as your widest image but not more than that) | 17:26 |
sledges | as narrow columns are easier to read (also works straight better for most mobile browsers ;) | 17:26 |
xavinux | ok will correct that :) | 17:28 |
sledges | just my opinion of what a blog can be though :) | 17:29 |
xavinux | sure, I will take your opinion :) | 17:30 |
xavinux | will be off for a while... | 17:39 |
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vgrade | evening all | 18:43 |
Stskeeps | evening vggrade | 18:43 |
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vgrade | Hi Stskeeps | 18:44 |
vgrade | any platforms left to test latest nemo image on? | 18:44 |
vgrade | I can do Exopc, n950, n900 | 18:44 |
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vgrade | Sage: what do you need? | 18:44 |
Stskeeps | hmm not sure if anybody tested exopc | 18:44 |
Stskeeps | vgrade: btw - got a kickstart for exopc wayland anywhere? | 18:45 |
vgrade | Stskeeps: no I took april nemo and zyppered in | 18:46 |
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vgrade | Stskeeps: now we have new nemo probably time to make some proper kickstarts, w00t was asking about Pi also | 18:47 |
vgrade | qt5 wayland nemo | 18:48 |
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vgrade | I'll try new nemo on Exo first | 18:49 |
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Stskeeps | k | 18:52 |
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mike7b4_lenovo | trying create a fresh image using kickstartfile nemo-armv7hl-n900.ks from april gives: "Failed to find package 'pattern:nemo-complete' : No package(s) available to install" any hint? | 18:58 |
vgrade | mike7b4_lenovo: new images and kickstarts are avaiable today http://releases.nemomobile.org/releases/0.20130620.0.1/ . For testing | 19:01 |
mike7b4_lenovo | vgrade: yay I missed that :) | 19:03 |
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Sage | vgrade: exopc test would be nice yes | 19:16 |
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vgrade | Sage: ui comes up from usb boot, installer-shell runs ok | 20:46 |
vgrade | next boot, ran finger term ok | 20:46 |
vgrade | then tried settings, connectivity | 20:47 |
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vgrade | no wifi listed then when I tried to close settings, ui scrolling stopped working. A swipe causes screen to blank then come back to grid | 20:48 |
vgrade | restarting user session does not restore ui scrolling | 20:51 |
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vgrade | mcompositor mallit complaining of libEGL warning : failed to create a pipe screen for i915 | 21:00 |
vgrade | so possibly mesa related | 21:00 |
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