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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6011 Rejected promotion request | 01:02 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6012 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/6012 | 01:09 |
| * special cheers | 01:10 | |
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| iekku | morning | 03:21 |
| special | wow, a real use case for X11 forwarding | 03:23 |
| special | I have the phonesim GUI running on device, forwarded to my mac | 03:24 |
| iekku | oh! | 03:36 |
| iekku | and off to work i go -> | 03:51 |
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| jukkaeklund | morning | 05:50 |
| jukkaeklund | so lipstick will be replacing mtf-home in next release? | 05:51 |
| Sage | jukkaeklund: not sure yet | 06:06 |
| jukkaeklund | ok | 06:06 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6012 Accepted promotion request | 06:08 |
| w00t | jukkaeklund, but you can try it now if you're game | 06:09 |
| jukkaeklund | I could try yeah, its been a while | 06:10 |
| w00t | :) | 06:13 |
| w00t | no time like the present to get back to it hey? | 06:13 |
| jukkaeklund | sure | 06:17 |
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| Sage | hmmp... when settings is opened and is not touched it seems to consume cpu, I wonder why | 06:28 |
| w00t | have you left it open on the wifi applet? | 06:28 |
| Sage | no to the main thingy | 06:29 |
| niqt | morning | 06:29 |
| w00t | interesting | 06:29 |
| w00t | that i haven't seen | 06:29 |
| Sage | 2.5-3% cpu usage when there on VM | 06:29 |
| Sage | and sysuid is only ~1% on MV | 06:30 |
| Sage | VM* | 06:30 |
| w00t | I don't have this on n950 fwiw | 06:31 |
| * jukkaeklund doing zypper up first, let's see lipstick after that | 06:34 | |
| w00t | jukkaeklund: tell me when you're ready and i'll walk you through installing | 06:35 |
| Sage | jukkaeklund: remember to do it in screen and then be sure to leave it to update for a moment when screen goes dark and network disappears | 06:35 |
| w00t | where "a moment" is 10-15 mins :p | 06:35 |
| jukkaeklund | er, too late.. | 06:35 |
| w00t | ctrl+c it and restart inside screen? | 06:35 |
| Sage | that fails if you don't do it on screen as terminal gets killed | 06:36 |
| jukkaeklund | ok, re-trying that way | 06:37 |
| jukkaeklund | how do I its done? | 06:37 |
| jukkaeklund | *know | 06:37 |
| w00t | you don't, hence err on the side of caution and give it some time | 06:38 |
| w00t | yeah, not user-friendly at all.. | 06:38 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6013 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/6013 | 06:39 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6014 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/6014 | 06:39 |
| w00t | Sage: did you test that camera fix? | 06:41 |
| w00t | wondering if something is wrong my end, since it just says "lens cover closed" | 06:43 |
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| w00t | anyone else game to verify it's not my n950 being stupid? ;) | 06:49 |
| special | will try shortly | 06:49 |
| Sage | w00t: moment will handle this mess I'm in first :) | 06:50 |
| w00t | Sage: np, presumed you were busy | 06:50 |
| * Sage ponders if he could use aggregatepac in the future to copy packges from project to another without loosing build or rel CNT | 06:53 | |
| Sage | Stskeeps, lbt: ^ experience of the cmd? | 06:53 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6016 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/6016 | 06:56 |
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| Sage | w00t: works for me | 07:02 |
| w00t | well, that's not good | 07:02 |
| w00t | :P | 07:02 |
| w00t | wonder if my n950 is starting to die | 07:02 |
| Sage | rebooted after the patch? | 07:02 |
| w00t | yes | 07:02 |
| Sage | well then no idea, but camera on my n950 is working | 07:03 |
| w00t | *nod* | 07:04 |
| special | w00t: works here too | 07:05 |
| w00t | heh... :/ | 07:05 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6014 Accepted promotion request | 07:07 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6016 Accepted promotion request | 07:13 |
| niqt | i would resolve this bug https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=273, but is this https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=328 duplication? | 07:15 |
| Merbot | Bug 273: critical, High, ---, nicola, NEW, Not able to initiate a cellular call | 07:15 |
| Merbot | Bug 328: critical, Undecided, ---, need-triage, NEW, Dialer application is not opening | 07:15 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6017 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/6017 | 07:15 |
| Sage | niqt: it hasn't been triagedd, but you can mark it as duplicated if you want | 07:16 |
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| w00t | okay, now i'm worried | 07:20 |
| w00t | my n950 is rebooting endlessly | 07:20 |
| Sage | :P | 07:20 |
| w00t | :-/.. | 07:21 |
| w00t | now it booted after like 8 tries | 07:22 |
| w00t | i really start to suspect hardware is failing | 07:23 |
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| Sage | what did you do with it :) | 07:29 |
| w00t | i don't know | 07:29 |
| w00t | but my fs got corrupted the other day, to the point where it got forced read-only and i couldn't remount it rw | 07:30 |
| w00t | so that, plus the camera, and the spontaneous reboot problem is starting to make me worried | 07:30 |
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| niqt | sorry for trivial question: where is the repository of current dialer? | 07:45 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6017 Accepted promotion request | 07:46 |
| w00t | niqt: voicecall on github | 07:47 |
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| niqt | w00t: but the .desktop file isn't dialer.desktop (that i found on nemo image) | 07:51 |
| * w00t shrugs | 07:52 | |
| w00t | that's the repo, and I have no dialer.desktop | 07:52 |
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| Sage | sledges: it might be that I'm usually using shutdown/reboot from terminal and not the UI or power button :P | 08:06 |
| * w00t doesn't have an n9 running nemo | 08:06 | |
| sledges | Sage: could be (we're talking about NEMO#334 here) | 08:06 |
| sledges | how is it on N9[50]0? | 08:07 |
| w00t | I've never noticed problems on n950 | 08:07 |
| sledges | although VirtualBox behaves the same as N9 | 08:07 |
| sledges | which project hosts the QMSYSTEM ? | 08:09 |
| sledges | (QM stands for Qt MeeGo I presume ?) | 08:09 |
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| special | Sage: what does "done on firstboot" mean in practice? | 08:11 |
| w00t | sledges: it's probably somewhere on gitorious, or if you mean OBS, i'd expect it in MW | 08:11 |
| Sage | special: During first boot there is something that creates the account and does e.g. ~/.telepathy-ring file and then there is IfFileDoesNotExist=~/.telepathy-ring exec account creation | 08:12 |
| sledges | found: http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-middleware/qmsystem | 08:12 |
| sledges | thanks w00t | 08:12 |
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| sledges | looks like gitorious is down lfor me :{ | 08:13 |
| special | Sage: ah, k. | 08:13 |
| jukkaeklund | w00t, now screen went black so now I wait? | 08:16 |
| w00t | jukkaeklund: yes | 08:17 |
| jukkaeklund | how long any indicator when its done? | 08:17 |
| w00t | 15-20 minutes, no indicator (unfortunately) | 08:18 |
| * sledges remembers his Arch or Ubuntu Linuxes updating Xorg, networkmanagers or anything else running - without respective rashes. As overwriting files in *NIX systems does not affect their running copies in memory | 08:20 | |
| sledges | s/rashes/crashes/ | 08:20 |
| w00t | that doesn't help when updating the package kills processes which i think was the case here | 08:22 |
| sledges | ah, so the killing is involved then | 08:22 |
| w00t | not sure, but that was my impression | 08:22 |
| sledges | remembering that even N9 PR1.* updates go without crashes, so things will improve in the future for Nemo surely ;) | 08:23 |
| jukkaeklund | yea this experience is really bad, but you know that already.. | 08:25 |
| w00t | yess | 08:25 |
| sledges | no worries -- we have kludges for now ;) | 08:26 |
| sledges | just ask here | 08:26 |
| sledges | or | 08:26 |
| * sledges was on his head for quite some time now: | 08:26 | |
| w00t | as i've said a few times, we really, really need to focus on getting SSU right ASAP | 08:26 |
| sledges | we should have a Hot Topic FAQ somewhere | 08:26 |
| sledges | frequently updated | 08:26 |
| jukkaeklund | heh | 08:26 |
| sledges | such as now: updating Nemo, or getting blackscreen in Terminal or vt [Host+Alt+F2] etc. | 08:27 |
| sledges | or that kernel-adaptation-i586 is broken on VirtualBox ;) | 08:27 |
| sledges | SeamlessSoftwareUpdates ? | 08:28 |
| w00t | just creating an FAQ is enough | 08:29 |
| w00t | we shouldn't need a page on how to SSU, it should just work | 08:29 |
| w00t | if we need a full page for that then we're doing it wrong | 08:29 |
| sledges | or not fixing fast enough :) so should be a bug in NEMO# bz high in red for SSU | 08:29 |
| w00t | afaik the issues involved are already fixed or being fixed (connman in next mer release, uxlaunch being thrown under a bus), we just can't fix what's already broken | 08:30 |
| sledges | so wait till mer releases for now | 08:31 |
| niqt | the voice call with last image 2012-08-05 is ok, the bug 273 is on image 7-2 (with other dialer). do i close a bug writing a note? | 08:32 |
| Merbot | Bug https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=273 task, Low, ---, not-taken, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, udev spec file has invalid URL entry | 08:32 |
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| w00t | niqt: there are further problems breaking calls (ofono 1.8) i think, Sage? | 08:33 |
| sledges | special: removing ~/.aegis fixed password forgetting problem on N9 after it got broken due to side-installing Nemo | 08:39 |
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| faenil | o/ | 08:44 |
| sledges | \o | 08:44 |
| faenil | o/ \o o/ /° °\ | 08:45 |
| faenil | eeeee macarena | 08:45 |
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| faenil | I'm running out of time...need to start studying for the next exam soon :/ | 08:57 |
| sledges | tough times! | 08:58 |
| faenil | \o/ got qtgstreamer to work! | 08:58 |
| sledges | \o| | 08:59 |
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| neochapay | hi where i can get steep by steep instruction to build nemo from sources ? | 09:03 |
| neochapay | i try to build from meego git but it so hard... many errors and so old sources | 09:05 |
| neochapay | i create many patch http://yamolodoi.ru/forum/thread66.html but it uncool :( | 09:05 |
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| tukem | neochapay, you want to build everything yourself? | 09:07 |
| tukem | I just take a ready image and replace the needed packages | 09:08 |
| neochapay | tukem: yes ! | 09:09 |
| neochapay | i whant create ivi system on arm and run it on nemo/meego | 09:10 |
| sledges | I suppose your IVI is a GUI (UX). Nemo itself is a UX layer, are you going to re-use some of it? | 09:11 |
| neochapay | sledges: my ivi is http://www.friendlyarm.net/products/tiny6410 now. i whont use only open source components. I can start ubuntu on it but unity so ugly ... kde is not for touch use ... and i like meego ! | 09:14 |
| sledges | well, meego is end-of-life unfortunately. but fortunately it has risen from ashes in the shape of Mer (as core, no UI, discussed in #mer), and graphics UI layers: Nemo (for smartphones) and KDE Plasma Active 2 (for tablets) | 09:17 |
| sledges | Tizen has an IVI adaptation, too. where they have re-used Qt and MeeGo, and IIRC other MeeGo graphical concepts | 09:18 |
| sledges | s/re-used Qt and MeeGo/re-used Qt and MeeGo's principles/ | 09:19 |
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| neochapay | sledges: yes i whont use mer for my ivi | 09:21 |
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| sledges | if you want to stick to mer, you need to pick a reference graphical layer which is most pleasant to your eye and needs least effort to be shaped into an IVI UX | 09:23 |
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| sledges | you said KDE is not for touch use, but it's 'daughter' project Plasma Active 2 does - check it out as well | 09:24 |
| sledges | it runs on top of mer | 09:24 |
| neochapay | sledges: plasma is not so cool as nemo/meego i like handest us and i whont run it IVI it`s start project next i whont run nemo on HD2 cell :) | 09:25 |
| neochapay | sledges: Plasma Active not so sexy :))) | 09:26 |
| sledges | c00l, it's up to your enthusiasm now, which I do like :) | 09:27 |
| neochapay | sledges: but where is instruction to build nemo steep-by-steep ? | 09:28 |
| sledges | Nemo is a collection of packages | 09:28 |
| sledges | which are managed/built individually | 09:28 |
| sledges | we use OBS (build.pub.meego.com) | 09:29 |
| sledges | and all what everyone needs to know is how to install Nemo first | 09:29 |
| sledges | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing | 09:29 |
| sledges | on your chosen platform | 09:29 |
| sledges | if you want to port Nemo to your IVI FriendlyARM | 09:29 |
| sledges | first you need to check if architecture is supported on OBS (ARM11 is it?) | 09:30 |
| sledges | and on Mer, which you will be building against | 09:30 |
| neochapay | i whont to build it my hends...it`s unrealy ? | 09:31 |
| sledges | nothing is impossible (only impossible takes longer) | 09:31 |
| sledges | but it is not the way a distributed/modularised system is built | 09:32 |
| sledges | you can have all hundreds packages downloaded locally one by one | 09:32 |
| sledges | and one by one compiled - loads of manual | 09:32 |
| sledges | work | 09:32 |
| sledges | and maintenance overhead (what if they get updates/patches as you go) | 09:33 |
| sledges | we do not have a unified source tree for the whole such thing as 'Nemo' | 09:33 |
| sledges | Nemo is under heavy development (centralised), and many of its components are reaplaced by others (we have meegotouch-home being replaced by lipstick QML at the moment for example) | 09:34 |
| neochapay | ok byt run lipstic i must build meegotouch and uxlauncher ? | 09:35 |
| neochapay | *but | 09:35 |
| sledges | AFAIK lipstick is independent from those | 09:36 |
| neochapay | sledges: and cellural applications settings and other ? | 09:39 |
| sledges | neochapay: your Tiny6410 is ARM11 which is arm6v | 09:39 |
| neochapay | sledges: yes but i whont create some patches for system and ux... | 09:40 |
| w00t | neochapay: lipstick is in the repositories, no need to build anything seperate | 09:40 |
| sledges | I am afradi ARMv6 is too weak for Nemo... | 09:40 |
| sledges | at least you'd need a powerful GPU with 2D/3D OpenGLES acceleration and working drivers | 09:46 |
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| sledges | I could not find that info on the website you sourced | 09:47 |
| neochapay | sledges: hm....i`ts not good... | 09:47 |
| neochapay | whthout 3D nemo can start ? | 09:48 |
| sledges | yes, but needs 2D accel not to be slow | 09:48 |
| sledges | so you need OpenGL ES support anyway | 09:48 |
| faenil | is it normal that gstreamer takes 94% cpu tu play (with lag) a 480p video? | 09:51 |
| faenil | to* | 09:51 |
| sledges | I'm checking this for you now (as I see it can run Qtopia, but only on Mini/Micro2440, not your Tiny....) | 09:51 |
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| sledges | if it is normal, faenil, then it should not be used :) | 09:54 |
| sledges | or? | 09:54 |
| faenil | I don't have experience with gstreamer so I'm looking for some info :/ | 09:55 |
| faenil | Sage, who knows something about gstreamer on nemo? | 09:57 |
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| w00t | welcome, gstreamer expert and maintainer | 09:58 |
| faenil | w00t, you? | 10:00 |
| w00t | faenil: you | 10:01 |
| faenil | damn xD | 10:01 |
| Sage | faenil: depends what you want to know about :) | 10:01 |
| faenil | Sage, hw acc video decoding, current status on nemo and what's needed to enable it | 10:01 |
| faenil | I'm playing with qtgstreamer which I got working, and with qml Video element | 10:02 |
| faenil | but both are sluggish with a 480p video | 10:02 |
| sledges | neochapay: looks like the Qtopia build for your FriendlyARM does not have libGL.so or libEGL.so libraries, and latest versions are of year 2010; you can play around wit Mer on your board (perform the hardware adaptation yourself, crosscompile Mer for ARMv6), launch Xorg and a simple QML viewer and end up with a simple demo, afterwards buy a more potential hardware or somehow obtain grephics card acceleration drivers or reverse engineer it - tho | 10:02 |
| faenil | CPU is at 94% while playing | 10:02 |
| sledges | escaped, lol, I disabled PART/JOINs on iirc :)) | 10:03 |
| Sage | faenil: well. That is harder thing as those parts are proprietary for n900,n950,n9 afaik. | 10:04 |
| faenil | mmm so no way to get hw acc decoding working on gstreamer ? | 10:05 |
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| Stskeeps | they're not proprietary but we can't include them in images.. | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | ARM/N900/DSP on wiki.meego.com | 10:05 |
| faenil | oh | 10:06 |
| faenil | that's not a problem | 10:06 |
| faenil | we can just make people download it when they start the player | 10:06 |
| faenil | just like unix distro do with mp3 codecs | 10:07 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, are N900's files supposed to work on N950? | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | ..maybe | 10:08 |
| * faenil is excited | 10:09 | |
| faenil | nice start, link to Meego's core repo doesn't work :/ | 10:11 |
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| faenil | oh, gst-dsp is by Felipe Contreras :) | 10:13 |
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| faenil | "You'll need a kernel with tidspbridge driver" | 10:17 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, ^ | 10:17 |
| Stskeeps | we have that | 10:17 |
| faenil | great, thanks :) | 10:17 |
| faenil | arm-linux-gcc: command not found ... wonder what it has used so far | 10:25 |
| faenil | the makefile is assuming we use arm-linux-gcc | 10:26 |
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| faenil | gst-dsp, dsp-tools, gst-omapfb built ^^ | 10:32 |
| faenil | how do I create local rpms once I have compiled the sources? | 10:35 |
| faenil | osc? | 10:35 |
| Stskeeps | osc build | 10:36 |
| faenil | mm but is that only for repos downloaded from obs? | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | btw, .. sources? | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | what are you trying to build | 10:36 |
| faenil | gst-dsp, dsp-tools, gst-omapfb | 10:37 |
| faenil | I just compiled them successfully | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | okay | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | those can go on obs just fine, no legal issues there | 10:37 |
| faenil | forced it to use gcc | 10:37 |
| faenil | okay, but do I need obs? because I haven't used obs yet :) | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | yess | 10:37 |
| faenil | arrghhh :D | 10:37 |
| faenil | I want to learn more but I doubt you guys have some spare time to do that atm... | 10:38 |
| faenil | is there a guide or something? | 10:38 |
| faenil | found this http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build/Application_Building | 10:39 |
| faenil | but that one points to Novell's | 10:41 |
| faenil | this one is more updated maybe? but has way less info | 10:42 |
| faenil | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/OBS | 10:42 |
| faenil | lunch is ready :) let me know when you have some spare time :D | 10:47 |
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| sledges | any dev boards suitable to run Nemo? mind that Nemo was still a bit too heavy for an imx53 | 10:53 |
| neochapay | yep i`am here | 10:53 |
| sledges | neochapay: nice pictures running Nemo on Asus EeePC! can you share them here too pls? :) | 10:54 |
| sledges | or was it MeeGo handset UX ? | 10:55 |
| sledges | looked exactly like Nemo to me :))) | 10:55 |
| neochapay | sledges: It`s nemo-handset-i586-0.20120614.1.NEMO.2012-08-05.2.img runing on Asus EEEPC 1001PXD https://twitter.com/neochapay/status/237920308500238336 | 10:56 |
| neochapay | sledges: i just edit uxlauch.conf and all is runing | 10:57 |
| neochapay | oh...not all :) ethernet not start from gui :))) | 10:57 |
| w00t | I'm considering to offer a beer per day to the guy who fixes connman disconnecting all the time | 10:57 |
| VDVsx | w00t: wot, for the rest of his/her life ? :P | 10:59 |
| w00t | VDVsx: one beer for each time i disconnect | 10:59 |
| w00t | at this rate, you'd have earned 5 so far today | 11:00 |
| VDVsx | :D | 11:00 |
| sledges | lol, then it's meaningful to defer the fix itself :) | 11:00 |
| sledges | do the inverse proportion instead :) | 11:01 |
| * jukkaeklund has connman missing after zypper 'ssu' | 11:11 | |
| sledges | Sage: I see you are fiddling with Xorg adaptation to Pandaboard. How does nemo look like running there? | 11:16 |
| Sage | sledges: https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=310 stopped me for now | 11:17 |
| Merbot | Bug 310: task, High, ---, not-taken, NEW, Switch to cross-distro agreed armv7hl path | 11:17 |
| sledges | Sage: aha found: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing#PandaBoard How is with the performance? | 11:17 |
| Sage | sledges: that is broken atm. 3d perf in nemo home was terrible but otherwise seemed ok | 11:18 |
| sledges | Sage: so it became broken recently, well nemo home is going home anyway :) | 11:19 |
| Sage | sledges: well, it has been broken about 4 months already :) | 11:19 |
| Sage | nobody has tested/fixed it. | 11:20 |
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| sledges | yikes, and why did it work before that? some upstream bollocks? | 11:20 |
| Sage | well there was other bugs in mer at the time that prevented building kernel modules e.g. | 11:21 |
| Sage | those are now fixed | 11:21 |
| Sage | long story short: I accidently broke it and bugs prevented fix so didn't bother at the time :) | 11:21 |
| sledges | but there was a point in time when it did work :) (hence the https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing#PandaBoard ) | 11:22 |
| Sage | yes | 11:22 |
| Sage | I broke it and nobody cared so didn't fix it ;) | 11:22 |
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| Sage | now started to look it again | 11:23 |
| Sage | also back then it was armv7l now plan is to go with armv7hl | 11:23 |
| sledges | niice | 11:24 |
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| sledges | so similar story should be with Archos G9s | 11:24 |
| mgronbar | Hi, I have created pinch zoom on Heliumreborn browser (bug #107). I don't have Nemo capabable device for development use, I only tested it in Harmattan. Is there any one who could test it and give comments in Nemo? | 11:33 |
| Merbot | Bug https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=107 task, Low, ---, pharon, NEW, support preservation of CI and B counts over remote project links | 11:33 |
| mgronbar | http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/mgronbar:/branches:/CE:/Apps:/MTF/ | 11:33 |
| faenil | back :) mmm no answers about OBS :( | 11:35 |
| sledges | faenil: what do you want to know from what is not obvious about OBS? ;) | 11:35 |
| faenil | a getting started guide...since there are multiple ones about mer, one uses Novell's OBS, another uses MeeGo's (which should be the current one)... | 11:36 |
| sledges | Nemo uses BMC (build.pub.meego.com) | 11:37 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6019 Rejected promotion request | 11:38 |
| sledges | which is in turn built against Mer core, which resides on its own OBS - (e.g. linked) | 11:38 |
| sledges | see https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=Mer%3Afake | 11:38 |
| faenil | ok | 11:41 |
| faenil | sledges, do you know anything better than https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/OBS | 11:42 |
| faenil | it redirects to http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_OBS | 11:42 |
| faenil | mmm gstomapfb is already installed on Nemo | 11:44 |
| sledges | faenil: what would you like to do to start with? | 11:44 |
| sledges | faenil: obviously, you need an account first | 11:44 |
| sledges | https://build.pub.meego.com/user/register_user | 11:44 |
| faenil | sledges, I already have an approved account | 11:44 |
| sledges | perfetto! :) | 11:44 |
| sledges | so, what is your build goal? | 11:45 |
| faenil | but haven't had time to start looking into OBS yet :) but I want to give a hand on that side too | 11:45 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6020 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/6020 | 11:45 |
| faenil | sledges, atm I'd like to build dsp-tools and gst-dsp, which I already compiled using gcc | 11:45 |
| faenil | in Mer SDK | 11:45 |
| sledges | they are a part of Mer I believe | 11:46 |
| Stskeeps | no | 11:46 |
| Stskeeps | also, there should be packaging for those already available | 11:47 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, gst-dsp and dsp-tools aren't already available | 11:47 |
| faenil | otherwise I wouldn't be doing this :D | 11:47 |
| sledges | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=dsp-tools&project=home%3Akulve%3Aovero | 11:47 |
| faenil | (not available on Mer repo) | 11:47 |
| sledges | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=gst-dsp&project=home%3Akulve%3Aovero | 11:47 |
| sledges | where will they end up? in Mer or on Nemo? | 11:48 |
| faenil | sledges, okay, they're in the home of other users | 11:48 |
| sledges | yes, you can either branch them, or create you r own (look under Sources tab if you like what you see) | 11:49 |
| sledges | but again, is it UX-specific or core-related? | 11:49 |
| faenil | nah not needed ;) I didn't look for themin other homes, just looked at the current files on Mer's repo | 11:49 |
| sledges | so you create an equivalent project(s) under your own home dir | 11:50 |
| faenil | I'd say it's core-specific | 11:51 |
| sledges | and create a package for dsp-tools | 11:52 |
| sledges | then add .yaml (+.spec) and source tarballs | 11:52 |
| sledges | add repository you want to build against (in the project's repositories tab) | 11:53 |
| faenil | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=gst-dsp&project=home%3Akulve%3Aovero | 11:53 |
| sledges | Mer_Core I presume :) with an architecture of your flavour | 11:53 |
| faenil | doesn't have a yaml | 11:53 |
| sledges | well poor him :)) | 11:53 |
| faenil | ^^ okay ;P | 11:53 |
| sledges | do you? :) | 11:53 |
| faenil | I have nothing atm :P | 11:54 |
| faenil | just built them with gcc in the sdk | 11:54 |
| faenil | :P | 11:54 |
| sledges | ok so no packaging whatsoever :) | 11:54 |
| sledges | then you could source their .spec (or reverse engineer it to .yaml) | 11:54 |
| sledges | or find one lying around on the net | 11:54 |
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| faenil | sledges, I'm here to learn how to package using the OBS, I have nothing ready :P | 11:56 |
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| sledges | that's what we're doing ;) | 11:56 |
| sledges | osc under Mer SDK also does equiv stuff only through cmdline, so I did not know how much you don't have ;) | 11:56 |
| sledges | .yaml is a package(-ing) specification | 11:57 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6020 Rejected promotion request | 11:57 |
| sledges | which goes through the specify script (avail in Mer SDK) | 11:57 |
| sledges | but if you haven't got yaml, and I couldn'? be bothered to ever learn in depth how it works :) I just used existing ones :) | 11:57 |
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| faenil | I see :D | 11:58 |
| sledges | you don't have .yaml at hand, but have a nice .spec from kulve, which is a stone-age approach, altough still efficient | 11:58 |
| sledges | OBS will pickup .spec and start building the whole thing for you automagically | 11:58 |
| faenil | ahahah | 11:58 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6021 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/6021 | 11:59 |
| faenil | sledges, it's not necessary atm, I'm copying files to device individually | 11:59 |
| faenil | sledges, I'll look for a yaml later if that's better ;) | 11:59 |
| sledges | well, you might come up with one yourself I'm afraid | 11:59 |
| * sledges alreadu looked for gst-dsp.yaml - no luck ;P | 11:59 | |
| faenil | grr :D | 11:59 |
| sledges | but just re-use the spec, should get you up and running with OBS | 11:59 |
| faenil | then mine will be the first one! :P | 12:00 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, is creating a yaml file for a simple project like that a hard task? | 12:00 |
| faenil | I used to hack Symbian's packaging files :D (.pkg) | 12:01 |
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| * sledges ended up looking at as-similar-as-possible/skeleton .yamls and just adjust them to work | 12:01 | |
| faenil | sledges, that's not encouraging :D | 12:02 |
| sledges | well, when you see them consisting only of 10 lines, I'm sure you can figure out what's going in | 12:02 |
| sledges | *on | 12:02 |
| sledges | with time you'll be writing super complex yamls with infinite dependency and pkgconfig directives, but even then will be referencing existing ones | 12:03 |
| * sledges thinks no sence in wasting time in learning something more than you need at the given time | 12:03 | |
| crevetor | Morning *yawn* | 12:04 |
| sledges | surely it's just my 2p ;) | 12:04 |
| sledges | afternoon crevetor :) | 12:04 |
| faenil | :) | 12:07 |
| crevetor | 8am here :) | 12:07 |
| faenil | 2pm here :D | 12:07 |
| sledges | 1pm (and my 2pence if misread :))) | 12:08 |
| Stskeeps | crevetor: good work on camera | 12:09 |
| faenil | :nod: | 12:10 |
| faenil | they say it works :) | 12:10 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6021 Accepted promotion request | 12:10 |
| faenil | modprobe not found? | 12:11 |
| faenil | is it normal that I can't use modprobe from ssh? | 12:12 |
| sledges | no, sudo? | 12:13 |
| sledges | whereis modprobe | 12:13 |
| faenil | no sudo | 12:13 |
| sledges | locate modprobe | 12:13 |
| sledges | well, modprobe needs super-user privs | 12:13 |
| faenil | yes, I'm root | 12:14 |
| sledges | bad luck :) | 12:14 |
| faenil | on the phone I get "missing parameters" which is correct | 12:14 |
| faenil | even without root | 12:14 |
| faenil | via ssh I get command not found ... | 12:14 |
| faenil | wth :/ | 12:14 |
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| sledges | whereis modprobe | 12:15 |
| faenil | whereis returns /sbin/modprobe | 12:15 |
| faenil | so it knows where it is | 12:15 |
| sledges | and if you write explicitly: `/sbin/modprobe`/sbin/modprobe | 12:15 |
| sledges | `/sbin/modprobe` | 12:15 |
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| faenil | works if write it explicitly :/ | 12:16 |
| sledges | $PATH problem | 12:16 |
| faenil | yup :/ | 12:16 |
| sledges | job done :) | 12:16 |
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| Venemo | morning | 12:16 |
| faenil | I suspected that | 12:16 |
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| faenil | the problem is why does it only show on ssh | 12:16 |
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| faenil | and not on phone | 12:16 |
| sledges | .profile problem ;) | 12:16 |
| Venemo | I left Nemo on the N950 to update itself for the whole night. | 12:16 |
| sledges | g'day Venemo | 12:16 |
| Venemo | the end result: it's bricked once again | 12:16 |
| sledges | in a screen session? | 12:17 |
| faenil | Venemo, eh, bad times for the update process | 12:17 |
| Venemo | I think w00t suggested me to leave it like that for ~20 minutes. so I left it for the whole night. it's still bricked | 12:17 |
| Venemo | isn't there an image that I can just flash which also contains the latest updates? | 12:17 |
| faenil | don't think so | 12:18 |
| sledges | Venemo: so you did use screen I presume | 12:18 |
| w00t | Sage: ^? | 12:18 |
| Venemo | sledges, what do you mean? | 12:18 |
| faenil | Venemo, screen, as said on wiki | 12:18 |
| sledges | start the screen session by: | 12:18 |
| sledges | screen | 12:18 |
| sledges | then do zypper ref and zypper up | 12:18 |
| w00t | we really should do another release sometime this week, with the number of people running into update trouble | 12:18 |
| faenil | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Updating | 12:18 |
| Venemo | you misunderstand. it doesn't boot up now | 12:18 |
| Venemo | it's stuck on the blue Nemo start screen | 12:19 |
| faenil | yes but did you run screen before updating? | 12:19 |
| sledges | thanks faenil :) | 12:19 |
| Venemo | I ran 'zypper refresh' and 'zypper up' | 12:19 |
| Venemo | that not enough? | 12:19 |
| faenil | ok so you did not | 12:19 |
| sledges | nopeish | 12:19 |
| faenil | read the wiki page :) | 12:19 |
| w00t | Venemo: did you run that inside a screen session? if not, then no, it's not enough this one time | 12:19 |
| w00t | connman is killed off, which kills off your connection, meaning zypper will die partway through upgrade | 12:19 |
| faenil | no he didn't | 12:19 |
| Venemo | why is it that there is always something that makes me feel dumb for not knowing about it? | 12:20 |
| faenil | though why should zypper die without a connection? it has already downloaded all packages | 12:20 |
| Venemo | faenil ++ | 12:20 |
| faenil | Venemo, been there :) | 12:20 |
| sledges | because the death of connections kills your ssh session in turn zypper gets killed altogether | 12:20 |
| Venemo | it was not an ssh session | 12:21 |
| w00t | it was in X? | 12:21 |
| faenil | yeah, what if you're not using ssh | 12:21 |
| sledges | it also kill X :) | 12:21 |
| w00t | then same thing applies | 12:21 |
| w00t | zypper doesn't fork | 12:21 |
| Venemo | wat is 'screen' anyway? | 12:21 |
| faenil | oh :/ | 12:21 |
| w00t | that means that it will die whenever what started it dies | 12:21 |
| faenil | yeah | 12:21 |
| w00t | ssh, or X | 12:21 |
| faenil | ok,thanks, it's clear now :D | 12:21 |
| Venemo | awesome | 12:21 |
| sledges | screen is something I use my IRC on a remote server to be always online and reconnect whenever I ssh | 12:21 |
| Sage | hmmp | 12:21 |
| Venemo | soo, reflash! oh yeah! no better way to start a day :P | 12:22 |
| sledges | :) | 12:22 |
| w00t | Venemo: http://linux.die.net/man/1/screen - basically a way to run processes without them dying, resume them later (screen -rx), etc | 12:22 |
| Venemo | w00t, :) | 12:22 |
| sledges | would a bluetooth keyboard solve it by doing Ctrl+Alt+F2 and doing zypper ups there ? ;) | 12:22 |
| sledges | but enought with kludges :) | 12:22 |
| Venemo | w00t, isn't there a fresh image to just flash? | 12:22 |
| w00t | Sage: think we can manage that? | 12:22 |
| w00t | Venemo: no, I'm trying to beg Sage to get some done | 12:23 |
| faenil | sledges, which .profile should I edit to get that issue fixed? | 12:23 |
| w00t | because this is like the 5th time I've seen this discussion in two days, which means it's killing productivity for people | 12:23 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6022 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/6022 | 12:23 |
| Venemo | w00t, if I recall Stskeeps's presentation correctly, making an image is like running a single command. shouldn't be that hard. | 12:23 |
| faenil | unless you run into errors :D | 12:23 |
| sledges | faenil: trial error, just add echo's to ~/.bash_profile ~/.bashrc ~/.profile and maybe even to /etc/skel[eton]/* IIRC to see which gets triggered when | 12:24 |
| faenil | sledges, shouldn't it get the env variables from the phones? why sould it use another PATH? | 12:26 |
| faenil | isn't it just sending a command the phone should execute? | 12:26 |
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| sledges | every of those files defines their own PATH | 12:27 |
| sledges | where else do you think env variables get initialised? ;) | 12:27 |
| Venemo | w00t, speaking of bug 336 - do I understand correctly? in your opinion, _NET_WM_ICON_GEOMETRY should contain the location of the little window thumbnail? or what? | 12:27 |
| Merbot | Bug https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=336 task, High, ---, marko.saukko, RESOLVED FIXED, update openssl to 1.0.0j (or 1.0.1c) [CVE-2012-2333] | 12:27 |
| Venemo | stupid Merbot | 12:28 |
| w00t | Venemo: pretty much | 12:28 |
| Venemo | ok | 12:28 |
| w00t | i have a WIP patch doing that | 12:28 |
| Venemo | shouldn't be too hard, yeah | 12:28 |
| faenil | sledges, I still don't see why it should read profile on my PC and not on the phone itself | 12:28 |
| Venemo | ok, I'll try one more time reflashing and then running screen and updating | 12:29 |
| Venemo | but it ought to be better than this | 12:29 |
| sledges | there are different ways a shell is spawned, highly depending on if it is a login shell or not, etc | 12:29 |
| sledges | ssh might have its own policy, normaly copycat'ing the virtual terminal behaviour (Ctrl+Alt+F*) | 12:29 |
| sledges | although nothing is happening -normally- in the multi-flavoured GNU world | 12:30 |
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| w00t | but until the compositor side is fixed, testing it is hard :) | 12:32 |
| w00t | so I think I'll need to make time to try figure out the compositor bit too | 12:32 |
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| Venemo | by the way, we should also do something about the boot process. the blue Nemo screen appears for some time, but then it disappears and an empty black screen is displayed for a minute or two before the home screen appears. | 12:32 |
| niqt | Sage: why ins't present qmlcalendar in nemo image 08.05.2? | 12:32 |
| Venemo | the desired behaviour should be to display the blue screen for the entire time | 12:32 |
| Venemo | the same thing is true about the shutdown screen | 12:33 |
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| Sage | niqt: ? | 12:33 |
| faenil | Venemo, yeah, I noticed that didn't happen before...started with lipstick? | 12:33 |
| Venemo | faenil, it has nothing to do with lipstick | 12:33 |
| Venemo | faenil, it was always like this | 12:33 |
| Sage | niqt: mybad. Will fix | 12:33 |
| faenil | no it was until some releases ago | 12:34 |
| niqt | ok | 12:34 |
| Venemo | faenil, I don't even have lipstick on this installation yet | 12:34 |
| faenil | Venemo, yeah lipstick was a bullshit | 12:34 |
| faenil | but I don't remember noticing that black screen delay in old releases | 12:34 |
| Sage | niqt: will fix it today | 12:35 |
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| Venemo | faenil, same thing is true about the shutdown screen | 12:35 |
| faenil | yup | 12:35 |
| niqt | don't worry i remember my task :) | 12:35 |
| niqt | Sage: yesterday have fixed one bug of qmlcalendar | 12:37 |
| faenil | argh | 12:37 |
| faenil | DSP isn't working | 12:38 |
| faenil | error: create_node: dsp node allocate failed | 12:38 |
| faenil | error: main: dsp node creation failed | 12:38 |
| faenil | and it seems so many people already had this error while trying to get it working | 12:38 |
| Venemo | ok, I'm running the update in 'screen' now | 12:39 |
| Venemo | if it breaks again, I'm gonna be angry | 12:40 |
| * w00t pats Venemo | 12:41 | |
| w00t | life is made to annoy the shit out of us | 12:41 |
| w00t | :P | 12:41 |
| * Sage moves CE:Apps:MTF packages to CE:Apps | 12:41 | |
| faenil | Venemo, we'll be the two of use | 12:42 |
| faenil | us* | 12:42 |
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| niqt | where is the repository of settings/controlpanel? | 12:53 |
| sledges | meegotouch-settingscp ? | 12:54 |
| sledges | (a wild guess) | 12:54 |
| niqt | thanks | 12:54 |
| sledges | nope :) | 12:54 |
| sledges | meegotouch-controlpanel ? | 12:55 |
| sledges | :) more like it | 12:55 |
| sledges | niqt: ^ | 12:55 |
| niqt | thanks sledges: i would fix https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=314 | 12:58 |
| crevetor | is nemomobile.org down ? | 13:04 |
| sledges | yes, merproject.org down | 13:04 |
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| crevetor | ok | 13:04 |
| sledges | lbt is informed, but might be away :{ | 13:04 |
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| sledges | being looked at ^ now | 13:10 |
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| faenil | good, dsp-test is now working | 13:17 |
| faenil | video isn't playing though...mmm | 13:17 |
| sledges | good stuff faenil | 13:17 |
| sledges | merproject.org is automagically back now | 13:17 |
| faenil | o/ | 13:17 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6023 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/6023 | 13:23 |
| w00t | Sage: i love your repo merging work | 13:23 |
| Sage | w00t: ? :) | 13:23 |
| w00t | Sage: merged repos = <3 | 13:24 |
| w00t | end of story :) | 13:24 |
| Sage | ah, I though I destroyed something of yours already :D | 13:24 |
| Sage | there is so may not revoked submissions around that need to force things a bit more than I wanted :) | 13:24 |
| Sage | so many* | 13:24 |
| w00t | eheh | 13:25 |
| w00t | i'm sure you'll break a few of my branches | 13:25 |
| w00t | but oh well | 13:25 |
| Sage | please cleanup your home repos and branches that you don't need. This goes for everyone :) | 13:25 |
| sledges | +1 merged repos | 13:25 |
| w00t | I have cleaned them up, but there's not a lot I don't need | 13:26 |
| Sage | good | 13:26 |
| w00t | I'm too hyperactive, and need to finish more stuff | 13:26 |
| w00t | :P | 13:26 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6023 Accepted promotion request | 13:26 |
| Sage | yey, this CE:Apps:MTF -> CE:Apps was easier than I though | 13:26 |
| Sage | lets see how my device handles it now :) | 13:27 |
| * w00t watches for a mushroom cloud from finland | 13:27 | |
| sledges | :))) | 13:28 |
| * Sage puts fan on | 13:28 | |
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| Sage | w00t: do "zypper info -t pattern nemo-apps" withour zypper ref please | 13:32 |
| w00t | Sage: http://qtl.me/WlX.txt | 13:33 |
| Sage | w00t: ok, now do zypper ref and then same thing | 13:33 |
| w00t | Sage: http://qtl.me/FQ3.txt | 13:35 |
| Sage | grr | 13:35 |
| Sage | w00t: zypper up doesn't probably install those missing two apps? | 13:35 |
| w00t | Sage: not that I see, no | 13:35 |
| Sage | pah | 13:36 |
| * Sage files a bug | 13:36 | |
| crevetor | Regarding bugs 214 and 257 should we add the fixes to policy-settings-basic-n900 % | 13:37 |
| crevetor | ? | 13:38 |
| crevetor | #214 #257 | 13:38 |
| the-boss | crevetor: Error: "214" is not a valid command. | 13:38 |
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| crevetor | bug 214 bug 257 | 13:39 |
| Merbot | Bug https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=214 major, Normal, ---, not-taken, RESOLVED FIXED, Connman crashing | 13:39 |
| Merbot | Bug https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=257 task, Low, ---, marko.saukko, RESOLVED FIXED, libnl yaml file has obsolete URL entry | 13:39 |
| crevetor | meh | 13:39 |
| crevetor | I was talking about nemo bugs | 13:39 |
| sledges | NEMO#214 | 13:39 |
| sledges | argh Merbot :) | 13:40 |
| alterego | special: ping | 13:54 |
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| alterego | special: nvm, :) | 14:16 |
| faenil | hey javispedro :) | 14:16 |
| javispedro | hi | 14:16 |
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| alterego | Hey javispedro | 14:18 |
| faenil | I've been waiting 2 mins for Nemo to shutdown...I'll force it | 14:18 |
| alterego | Works really quickly for me ;) | 14:19 |
| iekku | faenil, there's known bug | 14:20 |
| sledges | faenil: what did you see on screen? | 14:20 |
| * sledges is looking at that bug at the moment | 14:20 | |
| sledges | but only on N9 and VBox | 14:20 |
| faenil | sledges, nothing | 14:20 |
| faenil | I press the power button and I can see the screen switchin on and of | 14:20 |
| faenil | off | 14:20 |
| sledges | if it's black screen, it's a bug 334 | 14:20 |
| Merbot | Bug https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=334 normal, Normal, ---, not-taken, NEW, OBS repos should not have gpgcheck=1 for unsigned repos. | 14:20 |
| faenil | but staying black | 14:20 |
| sledges | argh! Merbot :) | 14:21 |
| sledges | https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=334 | 14:21 |
| Merbot | Bug 334: critical, High, ---, not-taken, NEW, device does not poweroff | 14:21 |
| sledges | good Merbot | 14:21 |
| sledges | :) | 14:21 |
| faenil | :D | 14:21 |
| sledges | faenil: if you go into a pitch-black room and press power button, you will see LCD backlight toggle | 14:22 |
| faenil | fighting with hw acc video playback atm | 14:22 |
| sledges | as if it goes to a sleep mode, hence it's not shut | 14:22 |
| faenil | I'll get it working, I promise! | 14:22 |
| faenil | XD | 14:22 |
| faenil | sledges, yeah | 14:22 |
| sledges | longpress power button and it'll poweroff (as you said - forcing it) | 14:22 |
| faenil | yup | 14:22 |
| sledges | you are using N950 ? | 14:22 |
| faenil | yup | 14:22 |
| sledges | could you comment the bug please then? | 14:22 |
| faenil | sure | 14:23 |
| sledges | please refresh my brain: long-press brings Nemo to a (fake) shutdown - and very-long-press forces it? | 14:23 |
| faenil | yes | 14:25 |
| faenil | "Mid-air collision detected!" :O | 14:25 |
| sledges | thanks and thanks for reproducint it on N950, I've been receiving mixed reports on that matter :) | 14:25 |
| sledges | means is really critical | 14:26 |
| sledges | lol yes, I modified it, I expected you come up with this :DD | 14:26 |
| sledges | go back in browser, copy comment, refresh bug, and re-comment :) | 14:26 |
| faenil | :D | 14:27 |
| faenil | done already ;) | 14:27 |
| sledges | ;) ta | 14:27 |
| faenil | lol I wrote bug 100% times and it hyperlinked bug 100 to bug100 :D | 14:28 |
| Merbot | Bug https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=100 normal, Undecided, ---, marko.saukko, RESOLVED FIXED, Improve spectacle support for macros | 14:28 |
| faenil | stfu :P | 14:28 |
| sledges | 8| | 14:29 |
| sledges | piacere Andrea, sono Simonas :)) | 14:31 |
| faenil | piacere :D | 14:33 |
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| crevetor | can someone check but I think https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=222 is fixed with latest packages | 14:40 |
| Merbot | Bug 222: normal, High, ---, not-taken, NEW, Unable to adjust screen brightness | 14:40 |
| crevetor | Tht title of the bug is misleading BTW | 14:40 |
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| faenil | Stskeeps, what version of ti dsp bridge driver are we using? | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | no clue | 14:49 |
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| faenil | how can I check? | 14:51 |
| w00t | Sage: if we were theoretically to switch to lipstick now, can we easily switch the obsoleting package for meegotouch-home to a different package later on? (thinking of just using the example home, and then later introducing our specific one) | 15:13 |
| Sage | w00t: well, we can obsolete lipstick-example-home with lipstick-nemo-home or what ever sure | 15:13 |
| w00t | obsolete I don't think is quite the right term, because it should still be available as an option | 15:14 |
| Sage | hmmp | 15:15 |
| * w00t is just impatient to get us switched :-) | 15:16 | |
| faenil | so am I :D | 15:16 |
| faenil | got a video to play with hw acc for about 10 secs...after that....DSP MMUFAULT... | 15:17 |
| faenil | mmm that's going to be fun! | 15:17 |
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| sledges | ;D debugging times | 15:17 |
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| Sage | for updates to go properly I don't see much other options there than obsoletes in later when moving from example to the real thing | 15:20 |
| w00t | sigh :) | 15:21 |
| w00t | Venemo: I guess we're waiting on you, then :-) | 15:22 |
| Venemo | like you sad, patience is a virtue | 15:22 |
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| Venemo | don't worry, that's what I'm working on | 15:23 |
| Sage | maybe we could obsolete only certain version of it but not sure how the updates would go if the newer example home would be available. | 15:23 |
| w00t | Venemo: not being pushy :P | 15:23 |
| crevetor | is there a recent video demoeing lipstick ? | 15:24 |
| Venemo | crevetor, yes, there is | 15:24 |
| Venemo | crevetor, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zg0NvSaXmY | 15:24 |
| crevetor | Venemo: thanks | 15:25 |
| crevetor | hun I think I've already seen this one | 15:26 |
| Venemo | w00t, does the package 'lipstick' contain both the plugin and the lib? | 15:26 |
| Venemo | crevetor, sorry then | 15:26 |
| w00t | Venemo: yes | 15:26 |
| w00t | you'd never really want one without the other, after all | 15:27 |
| crevetor | Venemo: no problem | 15:27 |
| Venemo | w00t, awesome | 15:27 |
| crevetor | it's looking really good :) | 15:27 |
| Anik | Helo #nemomobile! If there is someone who can guide a newbie to build a Nemo image on Ubuntu, let me know! Let's chat it private if I am not supposed to spam here. | 15:28 |
| Venemo | Anik, you are supposed to spam here, so no worries :) | 15:28 |
| Venemo | Anik, are you familar with the Mer platform SDK? | 15:29 |
| crevetor | how does lipstick react to not having hardware acceleration ? | 15:29 |
| w00t | crevetor: right now, it doesn't work without it | 15:29 |
| crevetor | w00t: :'( | 15:29 |
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| Venemo | crevetor, you can modify it to work, but it'll be incredibly slow | 15:30 |
| * Sage ponders what project nemo-kickstarter-configs package should go. | 15:31 | |
| Anik | @Venemo: Actually I work on protocol stack for LTE and WCDMA. Now looking to concentrate on Nemo. So you can call me a newbie in every sense :) | 15:31 |
| Anik | LTE core network and WCDMA BTS - To be specific. | 15:31 |
| faenil | this is really frustrating...it went on until half duration of the video, and the crashed with "Error: "GStreamer encountered a general stream error."" | 15:31 |
| Venemo | Anik, that sounds cool | 15:31 |
| faenil | oh thanks a lot! :@ | 15:31 |
| Sage | lbt: ideas how we should enable that so that it would be easiest for users to get it installed to mer-sdk. | 15:31 |
| Venemo | Anik, what you need is mostly covered in https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK and https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK_and_SB2 - if you have any specific questions or have any trouble, there are lots of helpful people on this channel | 15:33 |
| crevetor | Venemo: Plasma active worked fairly well without HW acceleration (this is on a touchpad) | 15:33 |
| Anik | Btw, I've seen many of you at TMO :D Aard is helping me in private. Let me concentrate a bit more there :) | 15:33 |
| Venemo | crevetor, it's a matter of opinion. I've seen PA without hw accel. if you count "annoyingly slowly" as "fairly well", then it worked fairly well indeed. | 15:34 |
| Venemo | Anik, ok :) | 15:34 |
| Anik | Thanks Venemo for the links. The biggest problem I face is that, all webchats are blocked in my office :( So couldn't login here even though I have time to spare. Now@home and got to see many helping guys :) | 15:37 |
| Venemo | :) | 15:37 |
| Venemo | w00t, after update, nemo says "connman unavailable" | 15:39 |
| Venemo | and, I'm surprised you guys didn't throw connman out yet | 15:39 |
| Stskeeps | there's no better alternatives tbh | 15:39 |
| Venemo | nm? | 15:39 |
| Venemo | nevermind | 15:39 |
| crevetor | Venemo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn4etZo60MU&list=UU7-JMbO6nutJISJv42rgiYQ&index=2&feature=plcp do you consider this fairly well or annoyingly slowly ? | 15:40 |
| Venemo | I'll try to reboot and see if it helps | 15:40 |
| Venemo | crevetor, hm, that's fairly well. it was a lot worse when I saw it on an archos device without hw graphics accel | 15:40 |
| faenil | Venemo, just systemctl restart connman.service | 15:40 |
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| crevetor | Venemo: touchpad is dual core, so maybe one core is doing the rendering while the other one takes care of the rest... | 15:41 |
| Venemo | maybe :) | 15:41 |
| Venemo | I'm honestly not sure. | 15:42 |
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| sledges | i'm overly impressed | 15:43 |
| sledges | on imx53 even with hw accel it was not as smooth as crevetor's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kbQU6n8Zkw | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | crevetor: is this with msmfb xorg driver? | 15:44 |
| Venemo | sledges ++ | 15:45 |
| crevetor | Stskeeps: I'm pretty sure it was regular fbdev | 15:45 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 15:45 |
| crevetor | Stskeeps: I'd have to check when back home | 15:46 |
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| faenil | Stskeeps, I need to know TI's bridge driver version :/ | 15:58 |
| sledges | I think i found the solution to NEMO#334: it spawns telinit -t 0 0 during d-bus'y shutdown, and it's: invalid option -- 't' | 15:59 |
| sledges | patch in progress | 16:00 |
| sledges | i.e., when I'll get home after commute :) | 16:03 |
| sledges | Stskeeps: telinit is part of mer (systemd?), how is the change in cmdline args communicated on depending projects? | 16:04 |
| Stskeeps | it's not | 16:06 |
| Stskeeps | we don't have runlevels | 16:06 |
| Stskeeps | it should use something else | 16:06 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6025 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/6025 | 16:14 |
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| Venemo | alterego, what was the solution to "exec not recognised"? | 16:17 |
| Venemo | I recall having to modify something in the sdk's scripts | 16:17 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, got it with "modinfo bridgedriver" :P you could have reminded me that command! :D | 16:21 |
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| Venemo | faenil, do you recall that thing about exec? | 16:22 |
| faenil | Venemo, nope :/ | 16:22 |
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| faenil | can we get DSP libraries from N9? or is that forbidden? | 16:25 |
| faenil | (without including them in nemo image) | 16:25 |
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| mgronbar | I fixed #107, HeliumReborn browser pinch zoom should now be supported as the fix gets through the review. Although I have only tested it in Harmattan platform | 16:30 |
| faenil | mgronbar, I will happily test, but not now :/ I'm fighting with hw acc in video :) | 16:35 |
| mgronbar | faenil: ok, thanks. | 16:36 |
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| faenil | I feel I'm close to the solution...got to leave for dinner, argh :D | 17:07 |
| veskuh | Sage: Regarding SR#6025 that needs to be tested on device. According to bug it was not and I'm pretty sure that I tried about same code already earlier and it had some issue | 17:10 |
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| w00t | mgronbar: please file a pull request on github | 17:13 |
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| veskuh | zooming works quite nicely actually. Might have made clicking links a bit more difficult but works. | 17:20 |
| faenil | bbl, pizza time :) | 17:22 |
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| mgronbar | w00t, ok. | 17:26 |
| Sage | cobs down? | 17:32 |
| lbt | osu nw I think | 17:32 |
| lbt | 2 others confirming that | 17:33 |
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| lbt | back | 17:36 |
| lbt | transient nw outage upstream somewhere | 17:36 |
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| sledges_ | Stskeeps: if you (Mer) don't have runlevels then why is there /lib/systemd/system/runlevel[0-6].target ? | 17:54 |
| sledges_ | and the whole dsme is based on manipulating runlevels | 17:55 |
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| mgronbar | veskuh, did you try the zoom in Nemo device? | 18:13 |
| veskuh | mgronbar: yes, on N950. Zooming works quite nice. | 18:14 |
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| mgronbar | veskuh: good and thanks for testing it, it was little hard get screen to follow the fingers while zooming, but after all solution was quite simple. | 18:17 |
| veskuh | mgronbar: yep. I tried something similar | 18:18 |
| veskuh | mgronbar: but back then the panarea somehow hijacked all the clicks, I guess qt has been updated and now works properly | 18:19 |
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| mgronbar | veskuh: I had the same issue, but then I put PinchArea as parent of webview, then it got transparent to other type of mouse events. | 18:21 |
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| Sage | sledges: we need to modify dsme for systemd if we use it in future | 18:27 |
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| sledges | Sage: looks like a big task; so systemd will obsolete runlevels soon? as using `telinit 0` all looks good and the device does power down | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | it already did tbh | 18:38 |
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| faenil | back :) | 19:06 |
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| alterego | Venemo_N9: you need to update your SDK, the latest release has exec in it. | 19:09 |
| alterego | See the wiki for updating your sdk. | 19:09 |
| alterego | Sage: do you know when you're thinking of adding new telepathy? | 19:09 |
| Venemo_N9 | alterego, I installed it today. | 19:09 |
| Venemo_N9 | alterego, or did it get updated today? | 19:10 |
| alterego | What version did you install? | 19:11 |
| alterego | 6.0.2? | 19:11 |
| special | alterego: I believe it's waiting on an updated glib2 from mer | 19:11 |
| alterego | Cool,m | 19:11 |
| alterego | special: got working calls going through telepathy :) | 19:11 |
| special | great :) | 19:12 |
| alterego | But it's a cludge because there are a load of bits missing from the version of tele we have | 19:12 |
| special | did you see https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344 ? | 19:12 |
| Merbot | Bug 344: normal, Undecided, ---, need-triage, NEW, Create telepathy-ring account by default | 19:12 |
| alterego | So want new version. | 19:12 |
| alterego | special: yes, I did. | 19:12 |
| alterego | special: I was thinking of adding the mc-tool add to a first-boot script. | 19:12 |
| alterego | Could even add it to voicecall and qmlmessages packaging as a postin. | 19:13 |
| faenil | hey special :) | 19:13 |
| special | yeah, that was my conclusion. I started playing with it a bit last night | 19:13 |
| special | I'd package it as a patch to -ring, I think | 19:13 |
| special | faenil: hi | 19:13 |
| alterego | special: could do, but it should be added to the .spec really. | 19:14 |
| alterego | Just add it as a %postin instruction | 19:14 |
| Sage | alterego: after the new mer core is in then. As there is dependency to new glib that is in that version | 19:14 |
| alterego | Sage: cool. | 19:15 |
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| alterego | Sage: if you want to run something in %postin that requires DBUS, how would you do that? | 19:15 |
| Sage | sledges: yes, we should not rely on runlevels anymore. Those are already obsolete and are there just for come backward compatibility stuff. | 19:15 |
| alterego | Actually, it needs to run as user | 19:15 |
| alterego | I guess su | 19:15 |
| Sage | alterego: you can't run anything for user in postin | 19:16 |
| alterego | Not even "su nemo - ..." ? | 19:16 |
| Sage | alterego: or if you do I'll reject that | 19:16 |
| Sage | alterego: what if there is different username? What if there is more than one user? What if... | 19:16 |
| alterego | So you think sticking it in a systemd script is better? | 19:17 |
| Sage | alterego: also when packages are originally installed at image creation there isn't user at the time. | 19:17 |
| alterego | Good point | 19:17 |
| special | I was idly toying with writing a tiny mission-control plugin to *guarantee* that a ring account exists if ring is installed | 19:18 |
| special | with the idea of* | 19:18 |
| alterego | Maybe devices should ship with mer, with a minimal commisioning UI, which can download the components during first boot :P | 19:18 |
| alterego | special: no point | 19:18 |
| special | mc-tool *should* be a functional solution | 19:19 |
| Sage | anything that requires certain user account to exist on package installation time is wrong (with exception of packages that install their own user) | 19:19 |
| alterego | All we need is: [ -z "$(mc-tool list | grep ring/tel)" ] && mc-tool add ring/tel ring | 19:22 |
| alterego | Run as "user" | 19:22 |
| special | not quite | 19:22 |
| special | we need enable and auto-connect on too | 19:23 |
| alterego | Well, you get my point P | 19:23 |
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| alterego | Yes, I didn't add all the configuration stuff :P | 19:23 |
| special | also, it'll require an X session | 19:23 |
| alterego | No, it just requires dbus | 19:23 |
| alterego | Which systemd should do. | 19:23 |
| * alterego writes a systemd script | 19:23 | |
| special | you'll get "mc-tool add: Failed to connect to D-Bus: Unable to autolaunch a dbus-daemon without a $DISPLAY for X11" | 19:24 |
| alterego | special: no | 19:24 |
| alterego | special: you can provide that environment variable, but it isn't /required/ for a dbus connection. | 19:24 |
| special | it is required for autolaunch, which will be necessary unless mc is already running on the session bus | 19:24 |
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| alterego | special: yes, which systemd should take care of | 19:27 |
| special | I don't think we actually launch mc [directly] via systemd | 19:27 |
| Stskeeps | that's in the user session isn't it? | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | mc | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | it doesn't run as root | 19:28 |
| alterego | yes | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | ok, so /etc/xdg/autostart for now | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | systemd user services later | 19:28 |
| alterego | okay. | 19:28 |
| * alterego writes an auto start script | 19:28 | |
| special | it should be autostarted if it isn't at the moment, yeah. | 19:28 |
| alterego | And I guess stick it in n950 configs | 19:29 |
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| special | n950? | 19:30 |
| alterego | And n900 configs | 19:30 |
| faenil | does anyone know something about "QGLWindowSurface: Flushing to native child widget, may lead to significant performance loss"? | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | n950 configs? no no | 19:31 |
| Stskeeps | it's not hw dependent | 19:31 |
| Stskeeps | imho | 19:31 |
| special | mc should start automatically everywhere | 19:31 |
| special | for ring, we want it on everything with a modem, I guess. What are the rules for ofono? | 19:31 |
| alterego | Stskeeps: well, in telepathy-ring package? | 19:32 |
| Stskeeps | saner, ish | 19:32 |
| alterego | any better idea? | 19:33 |
| Stskeeps | not offhand | 19:34 |
| faenil | fuck, my Nemo doesn't boot anymore :( | 19:35 |
| faenil | started by not loading pictures in gallery :/ | 19:35 |
| faenil | only suspect things I see in dmesg are some "[ 10.062530] onenand_wait: correctable ECC error = 0x0100, addr1 0xa, addr8 0x0 | 19:36 |
| faenil | " | 19:36 |
| faenil | suspicious* | 19:37 |
| faenil | come on, breathe...come on | 19:38 |
| faenil | nothing...can anybody help me troubleshoot? | 19:39 |
| faenil | I can connect to ssh, but I get "permission denied" and it goes to "bash 3.2" | 19:39 |
| faenil | Could not chdir to home directory /home/nemo: Permission denied | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | doesn't sound good? | 19:41 |
| faenil | mmm what about this | 19:42 |
| faenil | 0.896728] <27>systemd[1]: [/lib/systemd/system/systemd-journald.service:22] Failed to parse capability bounding set, ignoring: CAP_SYS_ADMIN CAP_DAC_OVERRIDE CAP_SYS_PTRACE CAP_SYSLOG CAP_AUDIT_CONTROL CAP_CHOWN CAP_DAC_READ_SEARCH CAP_FOWNER CAP_SETUID CAP_SETGID | 19:42 |
| faenil | [ 1.116546] <28>systemd[1]: Cannot add dependency job for unit display-manager.service, ignoring: Unit display-manager.service failed to load: No such file or directory. See system logs and 'systemctl status display-manager.service' for details. | 19:42 |
| faenil | :/ | 19:42 |
| Sage | faenil: the n950 kernel is old and thus fails on those. Shouldn't matter in the end afaik. | 19:43 |
| faenil | I see, so it's not that | 19:43 |
| faenil | I'm stuck on the blu Nemo bootscreen | 19:43 |
| faenil | blue* | 19:43 |
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| faenil | I don't want to reflash, I have to reinstall all packages :/ | 19:45 |
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| faenil | it's full of this though, is that normal? | 19:46 |
| faenil | [ 68.010772] power_supply usb: POWER_SUPPLY_NAME=usb | 19:46 |
| faenil | [ 68.010833] power_supply usb: Static prop TYPE=USB | 19:46 |
| faenil | [ 68.010864] power_supply usb: 2 dynamic props | 19:46 |
| faenil | [ 68.010894] power_supply usb: prop PRESENT=1 | 19:46 |
| faenil | [ 68.010925] power_supply usb: prop CURRENT_NOW=100 | 19:46 |
| faenil | [ 68.016082] power_supply usb: uevent | 19:46 |
| faenil | repeated | 19:46 |
| special | normal | 19:46 |
| faenil | a lot of tiems | 19:46 |
| faenil | how comes? | 19:46 |
| faenil | polling? | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | just good debugging | 19:46 |
| faenil | :D | 19:46 |
| Sage | faenil: hmmp | 19:46 |
| Sage | faenil: systemctl output please | 19:47 |
| faenil | ok | 19:47 |
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| faenil | n950-plymouth-start-update.service loaded failed failed Update omap display | 19:47 |
| Sage | not an issue | 19:48 |
| faenil | systemd-update-utmp-runlevel.service loaded failed failed Update UTMP about System Runlevel Changes | 19:48 |
| Sage | faenil: sure your update went fully through? | 19:49 |
| faenil | uxlaunch.service loaded activating auto-restart UX launcher | 19:49 |
| faenil | Sage, I wasn't updating | 19:49 |
| Sage | faenil: oh, what did you do? :) | 19:49 |
| Sage | suddently failed? | 19:49 |
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| faenil | yup :/ started misbehaving | 19:49 |
| faenil | I was playing with dsp codecs, nothing I haven't done for the whole day | 19:49 |
| faenil | and I rebooted more times without issues | 19:49 |
| Sage | tried to remove the dsp stuff? | 19:50 |
| Sage | kernel modules if any, firmware etc? | 19:50 |
| faenil | I will try | 19:50 |
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| faenil | I did not set anything to autostart though | 19:51 |
| faenil | don't see how that could be an issue | 19:51 |
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| faenil | done, nothing :/ | 19:54 |
| faenil | anything else I can try? or debug output I can provide? | 19:54 |
| faenil | before I reflash :/ | 19:55 |
| beford | backup your stuff | 19:56 |
| Sage | faenil: ps aux | grep Xorg | 19:56 |
| Sage | faenil: /home/nemo/.xsession-errors | 19:56 |
| Sage | faenil: /var/log/Xorg.0.log | 19:56 |
| faenil | alright, common xorg debug | 19:56 |
| faenil | root 448 0.0 0.0 5844 860 pts/0 S+ 02:02 0:00 grep Xorg | 19:56 |
| Sage | ok, so Xorg is failing | 19:57 |
| Sage | faenil: systemctl status ti-omap3-sgx.service | 19:57 |
| faenil | Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/ti-omap3-sgx.service; disabled) | 19:58 |
| faenil | Active: active (exited) since Thu, 01 Jan 1970 02:00:07 +0200; 4min 17s ago | 19:58 |
| faenil | Process: 268 ExecStart=/usr/sbin/pvrsrvinit (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS) | 19:58 |
| faenil | Process: 254 ExecStartPre=/sbin/modprobe omaplfb (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS) | 19:58 |
| faenil | CGroup: name=systemd:/system/ti-omap3-sgx.service | 19:58 |
| faenil | time reset, again ... -.- | 19:58 |
| Sage | ok, so sgx ok. | 19:58 |
| Sage | faenil: what about systemctl status uxlaunch.service (use pastie) | 19:59 |
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| * Venemo is back | 20:00 | |
| faenil | http://pastie.org/4570095 | 20:00 |
| Sage | so uxlaunch fails for some reason | 20:00 |
| faenil | one thing I noticed before rebooting | 20:01 |
| faenil | is lipstick was lagging | 20:01 |
| faenil | and qmlgallery was not loading thumbnails (but the app was working) | 20:01 |
| Sage | faenil: what is in /home/nemo/.xsession-errors | 20:02 |
| Venemo | so alterego | 20:02 |
| faenil | Sage, a lot of stuff :D | 20:02 |
| Venemo | I downloaded the latest SDK this morning and it didn't have exec | 20:02 |
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| Sage | faenil: well pastie | 20:03 |
| faenil | let me get to the end | 20:03 |
| Sage | faenil: the start is most interesting actually | 20:03 |
| faenil | yeah | 20:03 |
| faenil | it's got a lot of debug coming from apps | 20:03 |
| Sage | thus beginning is most interesting | 20:03 |
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| faenil | http://pastie.org/4570122 | 20:07 |
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| Sage | faenil: open two terminals. One that does Xorg and other that does as nemo user: DISPLAY=:0 xterm | 20:10 |
| Venemo | how do I check which version of the sdk I have? | 20:10 |
| Sage | faenil: before that you can do systemctl stop uxlaunch.service | 20:10 |
| faenil | Sage, but it doesn't let me log as nemo | 20:12 |
| faenil | permission denied error | 20:12 |
| Sage | faenil: uh... ls -la /home | 20:12 |
| faenil | nemo folder is there | 20:12 |
| faenil | w8 I paste | 20:12 |
| Sage | paste that line | 20:12 |
| faenil | yeah for permission | 20:12 |
| Sage | :nod: | 20:13 |
| faenil | 500 | 20:13 |
| Sage | then ls -la /home/nemo/ | 20:13 |
| Sage | faenil: so su nemo says permission denied? | 20:13 |
| faenil | permission denied, w8 I do it from root | 20:13 |
| faenil | bash: /home/nemo/.bashrc: Permission denied | 20:13 |
| Sage | ls -la /home/nemo/ as root to pastie please | 20:14 |
| faenil | http://pastie.org/4570169 | 20:15 |
| Sage | faenil: please do this http://pastie.org/4570184 | 20:17 |
| Sage | I'm failing to understand where you get the permission denied as you don't paste the output with the cmdlines and shell stuff :) | 20:17 |
| faenil | Sage, I get it when I ssh into nemo@192.... | 20:18 |
| faenil | -bash-3.2$ su nemo | 20:19 |
| faenil | Password: | 20:19 |
| faenil | bash: /home/nemo/.bashrc: Permission denied | 20:19 |
| Sage | oh | 20:19 |
| Sage | I see | 20:19 |
| Sage | chown nemo:nemo /home/nemo | 20:19 |
| faenil | http://pastie.org/4570206 | 20:20 |
| Sage | ^ chown and retry | 20:20 |
| faenil | ok, I'm in | 20:21 |
| Sage | reboot and enjoy ;) | 20:21 |
| faenil | just like that? I lost the owning permission? :P | 20:21 |
| Sage | not sure how but somehow you reset the ownership of /home/nemo to user id 500 | 20:22 |
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| faenil | that's not true XD | 20:22 |
| faenil | I did not do anything like that ... | 20:22 |
| Sage | does it boot now? :) | 20:22 |
| Sage | faenil: did you install some rpm files? | 20:23 |
| Sage | from meego | 20:23 |
| faenil | nope, just copied over files with scp | 20:23 |
| Sage | :) | 20:23 |
| Sage | scp gone bad maybe :) | 20:23 |
| Sage | ok, time to sleep. | 20:24 |
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| faenil | xD | 20:24 |
| Sage | I hope it boots now | 20:24 |
| faenil | yeah it booted :) | 20:24 |
| faenil | thanks a lot :) I can't explain what happened, but thanks :) | 20:24 |
| faenil | maybe using -R while scping? I really don't know... | 20:25 |
| faenil | Sage, good night :) | 20:26 |
| faenil | if anyone already knows the answer, I want to learn :) (googling in the meanwhile) | 20:27 |
| faenil | scp must be changing the ownership in some way | 20:29 |
| faenil | okay, it's scp | 20:30 |
| faenil | never noticed this behaviour, but ok :) | 20:31 |
| faenil | who's still active? I'll go to bed if I'm alone :D | 20:34 |
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| beford | hi | 20:41 |
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| Venemo | hi | 20:42 |
| faenil | hi :) | 20:43 |
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| faenil | YEEEEEEEEEESSS | 20:53 |
| faenil | Hw acc video now playing! :D | 20:53 |
| Venemo | faenil, awesome!!! :) | 20:53 |
| Venemo | faenil, what did you do? | 20:53 |
| faenil | built some packages | 20:54 |
| faenil | had some rage against them | 20:54 |
| faenil | and got it working :) | 20:54 |
| faenil | gst-dsp mainly | 20:54 |
| Venemo | and I'm making serious progress with the new home screen | 20:55 |
| faenil | special, ^^! :D | 20:55 |
| faenil | special, and you know what, gallery isn't lagging anymore! | 20:55 |
| faenil | I'd say video support is coming soon, Sage! | 20:55 |
| special | good news | 20:55 |
| faenil | yup :D | 20:55 |
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| special | is that still using qtgstreamer, or QML video? | 20:57 |
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| faenil | QML Video :) | 20:58 |
| special | excellent | 20:58 |
| faenil | yeah :) | 20:58 |
| beford | video or it didnt happen | 20:59 |
| faenil | beford, :) will make one, yeah :) | 20:59 |
| faenil | special, anyway, don't know if you've read it, we can't include DSP binaries in Nemo's image | 21:04 |
| faenil | so that's still an "additional download" | 21:04 |
| special | unfortunate, but I'm still not immediately concerned about perfect performance. | 21:05 |
| faenil | special, you know it better than me...you can't watch some videos without hw acc... | 21:06 |
| faenil | but anyway, I agree that it's not a priority now :) | 21:06 |
| faenil | just something I liked to tinker with to learn new things :) | 21:07 |
| faenil | I'm so happy :D | 21:11 |
| Venemo | faenil, congrats :) | 21:11 |
| Venemo | faenil, can it decode music too? | 21:11 |
| faenil | Venemo, haven't tried, audio in video works :) ( 5.1 AC3 doesn't though ) | 21:12 |
| Venemo | faenil, would mp3 work? | 21:12 |
| faenil | haven't tried yet, I suspect not? TI DSP doesn't have mp3 decoder afaik...it could already play it without TI DSP though, I just have never tried on nemo | 21:14 |
| Venemo | so how does Harmattan decode the mp3s? | 21:18 |
| Venemo | I'm not believing that it does it from software | 21:18 |
| special | mp3 isn't *that* difficult to decode | 21:18 |
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| Venemo | special, but the N9(x0) actually wastes CPU power for it? unbelieveable. | 21:28 |
| faenil | I was just told in #gstreamer that omap devices use CPU for mp3s | 21:31 |
| Venemo | ok | 21:32 |
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| kimju | iirc someone published some benchmarks, on omap2/3 overhead from using the dsp to decode mp3 was using more power than just decoding it with the arm core. | 21:39 |
| Venemo | kimju, okay | 21:41 |
| faenil | wow | 21:41 |
| faenil | interesting | 21:41 |
| faenil | mmm who'll make graphics for the video player? | 21:47 |
| faenil | like pause,stop,play icons :D | 21:47 |
| special | does meegotouch-theme have anything? | 21:48 |
| special | (do we want actual buttons, anyway?) | 21:49 |
| Venemo | faenil, why don't you just use iconsweets? | 21:49 |
| faenil | Venemo, because I don't know all licenses by heart :/ I'm a bit paranoid about that :D | 21:49 |
| Venemo | faenil, http://iconsweets2.com/ "You may use these icons for both commercial and non-commercial projects and customize them any way you like." | 21:50 |
| special | use the meegotouch theme graphics if at all possible. | 21:50 |
| faenil | Venemo, thanks :) | 21:50 |
| special | but I'm not sure you actually want them. | 21:50 |
| faenil | special, yeah that's my idea | 21:50 |
| faenil | special, you mean we should use text? | 21:50 |
| special | I mean that I'm not sure those buttons are necessary at all | 21:51 |
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| Venemo | a play button is not necessary in a video player? | 21:51 |
| faenil | :/ how do you seek a video? | 21:51 |
| Venemo | that made me laugh | 21:51 |
| special | tap to pause/unpause? a seekbar somewhere, maybe hidden by default? | 21:52 |
| Venemo | IMO play buttons are awesome | 21:53 |
| special | they take up screen space that could be used for video. | 21:53 |
| faenil | special, I'm already using tapping to pause/unpause :) but I was forgetting that xD | 21:53 |
| faenil | even though I think a user would expect buttons to be there | 21:54 |
| special | on mobile? I'm not so sure. | 21:55 |
| faenil | neither am I, but that's what I'd say :) | 21:55 |
| special | for something that is all about viewing, I favor as little chrome as possible | 21:57 |
| special | (while still being clear about what the user can do) | 21:57 |
| faenil | agree | 22:01 |
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| Venemo | w00t, ping | 22:09 |
| special | asleep | 22:09 |
| Venemo | bad excuse | 22:09 |
| special | agreed. | 22:10 |
| Venemo | :D | 22:10 |
| faenil | :D | 22:12 |
| Venemo | btw, I just noticed that we're doing the same thing as the gnome folks, only difference is that they don't have a nice declarative language | 22:25 |
| Venemo | LOL! camera app says "lens cover closed" | 22:26 |
| Venemo | what lens cover? | 22:26 |
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| faenil | w00t, see, it's not only you, rejoice! :D | 22:31 |
| faenil | Venemo, w00t had the same problem today, he thought his n950 was dieing, because he also had other issues | 22:31 |
| faenil | but other people said the camera fix was working | 22:31 |
| Venemo | other people said many things. | 22:33 |
| special | camera works for me. | 22:35 |
| faenil | Venemo, lol | 22:37 |
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| faenil | good night people :) cya tomorrow ;) | 22:56 |
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| sledges | buonanotte | 23:05 |
| Venemo | ok, you win. I'm sleeping too | 23:06 |
| Venemo | bye | 23:06 |
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