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| ilold | Hi. can you patch, meego hardware adaption kernel for n900 on gitorious? | 14:29 |
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| Stskeeps | depends on what, but yes | 14:30 |
| ilold | seems like the IO-Errors yesterday are described here http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=72789 | 14:30 |
| Stskeeps | you have i/o errors? | 14:31 |
| Stskeeps | what SD card type? | 14:31 |
| ilold | yes, I was the one with wierd problems, testing 15.12 image. | 14:32 |
| ilold | class 4 | 14:32 |
| ilold | *yesterday | 14:32 |
| ilold | the dto patch desribed in thread was also adapted by openpandora and beagleboard. seems well tested, without problems so far. | 14:33 |
| kimju | imho, the patch in that thread is just wrong. hack to get broken card "working" | 14:34 |
| ShadowJK | what's the solution when half the market is broken cards | 14:35 |
| kimju | it hardcodes the timing register, instead of using card provided values | 14:35 |
| * ShadowJK thought card provided ones were wrong for most Kingston cards? | 14:36 | |
| kimju | has that patch been submitted to mainstream via linux-omap? what was the response there? | 14:37 |
| kimju | personally I've given up trying to use anything else than sandisk cards. | 14:38 |
| ilold | I think, I read something in august (linux-omap) | 14:38 |
| ilold | but not sure | 14:39 |
| ilold | other links: http://boards.openpandora.org/index.php?/topic/1592-sd-card-instability/ | 14:39 |
| ilold | http://patchwork.openembedded.org/patch/9519/ | 14:40 |
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| ShadowJK | sandisk is probably the only one that's strictly SD compliant | 14:41 |
| Stskeeps | ilold: what card vendor? | 14:43 |
| ilold | sony | 14:43 |
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| ilold | http://s14.directupload.net/images/111217/xnl7e72u.jpg | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | ok, and you have proven the sd card isn't simply bad? | 14:50 |
| ilold | yes. I tested the card in different cardreader. I also made a complete test with a tool on an old windows pc of me. | 14:52 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 14:52 |
| ilold | I link tool, moment. | 14:52 |
| Stskeeps | how about in maemo5? | 14:52 |
| ilold | its german, but has a english option: http://www.heise.de/software/download/h2testw/50539 | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 14:53 |
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| ilold | well, in maemo I didn't test the card. but seems like powerkernel is patched already. | 14:55 |
| Stskeeps | ok, if you could test it without power kernel then we have a better comparison point | 14:56 |
| ilold | some advice how to test it on maemo. should I simple write card with some stuff und watch log or is there prefered way? | 14:58 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, watching log is always good | 14:58 |
| Stskeeps | but anyway, on monday if you remind me, i'll do you a kernel with that patch | 14:58 |
| ilold | ok, thanks. until monday I will have it tested in meamo, too. | 14:59 |
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| Guest40473 | what the the most relevant page describing the UX workflow of Nemo? | 15:10 |
| Guest40473 | http://developer.meego.com/guides/meego-handset-ui-basics ? | 15:11 |
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| lbt | Guest40473: we don't really have one | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | heh, i've never seen that guide before | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | so -that's- how it's supposed to work | 16:45 |
| alien_ | I just updated the wiki page at http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Trying_it_out | 16:45 |
| alien_ | please someone proof-read it and try to reproduce the steps | 16:45 |
| alien_ | I would like to start to hack on some packages, do I need any SDK installed locally or am I supposed to just use the OBS? | 17:04 |
| alien_ | or can I use the QtSDK provided by Nokia? | 17:05 |
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| alien_ | Stskeeps: I am now playing with the Nemo image you created for virtualbox, any ideas why some apps display only a black screen? | 18:51 |
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| alien_ | there are lots of packages complaining about the lack of dbus-launch | 19:05 |
| alien_ | irtual const string Maliit::InputContext::DBus::Address::get() const Error spawning command line `dbus-launch --autolaunch=d0da0824966650e35c8a675000000001 --binary-syntax --close-stderr': Failed to execute child process "dbus-launch" (No such file or directory) | 19:06 |
| alien_ | /bin/dbus-launch terminated abnormally without any error message | 19:06 |
| alien_ | bash: /bin/dbus-launch: No such file or directory | 19:07 |
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| alien_ | Stskeeps: you missed dbus-x11, that contains dbus-launch | 20:05 |
| alien_ | you should add it to the kickstart | 20:05 |
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| alien_ | but something looks broken in fullscreen mode, at least for some apps | 20:14 |
| alien_ | Stskeeps: I figured it out, the compositor needs to be executed this way: "EGL_DRIVER=/usr/lib/egl/egl_gallium.so /usr/bin/mcompositor" | 20:30 |
| alien_ | otherwise anything that uses 3D graphics breaks, such as the terminal and the maps application | 20:31 |
| alien_ | actually not | 20:32 |
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| Stskeeps | alien_: ah, it works nicely after that? | 20:49 |
| alien_ | nope | 20:52 |
| alien_ | it just doesn't start the mcompositor, so the maps works | 20:53 |
| alien_ | it looks like a compositor issue | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | interesting | 20:53 |
| alien_ | didn't you notice it in virtualbox? | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | i wonder why mcompositor doesn't pick it up like qmlviewer -opengl did | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | lemme try | 20:54 |
| alien_ | qml stuff works | 20:54 |
| Stskeeps | so it's not a compositor issue? | 20:54 |
| alien_ | but apps such as maddeveloper, terminal and maps appear just like a dark screen | 20:54 |
| Stskeeps | it was just a alpha thing anyway, but good to know that there's a reason why it happens like that | 20:55 |
| alien_ | then if you swipe at the edge to minimize them, they will appear to have some content in the task switcher | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | the idea is to switch mer core in general to default llvmpipe on all platforms and then on those where GLES works, enable their own hardware adaptations | 20:55 |
| * Stskeeps checks out the ti | 20:58 | |
| Stskeeps | p | 20:58 |
| alien_ | well, opengl seems to work, at least glxgears shows around 400fps on my laptop | 20:59 |
| alien_ | I think just that the mcompositor is broken | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | odd, still getting black screens with EGL_DRIVER exported | 21:00 |
| alien_ | it might not br that | 21:00 |
| alien_ | does everything work on the Nokia devices with the same mcompositor? | 21:01 |
| alien_ | mcompositor version, I mean | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | so in your image you have the maps and such working without black screen? | 21:02 |
| alien_ | no | 21:02 |
| alien_ | only if I kill the mcompositor | 21:02 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 21:03 |
| alien_ | but then there is no window management available either | 21:03 |
| alien_ | so no way to minimize and close apps from outside | 21:03 |
| Stskeeps | so it might be texture from pixmap isn't implemented properly for the gles libraries in llvmpipe | 21:03 |
| Stskeeps | or that we don't use a proper method | 21:03 |
| alien_ | I'm not that much into the OpenGL stuff | 21:04 |
| alien_ | no idea | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, me neither, but i have some hunches on what's wrong | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | long story short, i'm surprised it works as good as it did in the first place | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | so looking forward to spending more time on it and cleaning it up | 21:05 |
| alien_ | :) | 21:05 |
| alien_ | I also tried to install some more mesa stuff but didn't help | 21:06 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 21:06 |
| Stskeeps | it's a custom image, kinda put together as a proof of concept | 21:06 |
| Stskeeps | it was already beating my expectations by doing 21-25 fps in widgets gallery on a really bad-for-virtualization laptop | 21:07 |
| alien_ | I am also impressed by the performance, it consistently gets me around 60-70fps in the widget gallery | 21:11 |
| Stskeeps | wow | 21:12 |
| Stskeeps | in a virtual machine or..? | 21:12 |
| alien_ | but this is a pretty speedy laptop | 21:12 |
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| alien_ | yes, in virtualbox | 21:12 |
| Stskeeps | not bad | 21:12 |
| Stskeeps | got VT? | 21:12 |
| alien_ | i5-2540M CPU @ 2.60GHz | 21:13 |
| alien_ | yes, it has all the goodies | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | ah, so you can utilize multiple cores | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | i can't, hence the 21-25fps | 21:13 |
| alien_ | just a core is assigned to the VM | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | just one..? | 21:14 |
| Stskeeps | well that's better than expected then | 21:14 |
| Stskeeps | i'm just happy to have a mobile environment in a virtual machine that doesn't suck at performance :) | 21:16 |
| alien_ | indeed, as compared to the Qemu for arm, this is damn fast | 21:17 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 21:17 |
| Stskeeps | that's one thing intel really screwed the pooch on with meego | 21:17 |
| Stskeeps | insisting to having to use SSSE3 devices | 21:17 |
| Stskeeps | could have made a amazing environment for development | 21:18 |
| w00t | well, meego couldn't really have scaled (hardware-wise) to other platforms though - their build farm was already stretched :) | 21:18 |
| w00t | we have a much easier time in that regard | 21:18 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but still | 21:19 |
| alien_ | ok, now on another topic, how do you guys develop qt apps for Meego? using the ordinary Qt SDK from Nokia? | 21:21 |
| Stskeeps | for myself, i hand-write them and use pyside, but that's a problem on nemomobile | 21:22 |
| Stskeeps | i'm usually doing low level stuff in the machine room | 21:22 |
| alien_ | ok | 21:22 |
| alien_ | but would it work, if say I would just write an app using the N9 target in the Nokia SDK? | 21:23 |
| Stskeeps | we're fairly close to it, but yeah | 21:24 |
| alien_ | then would put the same sources into the OBS | 21:24 |
| Stskeeps | but i would use qml components myself if i were you | 21:24 |
| M4rtinK | same by me: PySide + QML + Qt Components + handwritten | 21:29 |
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| alien_ | what is the OBS server used for generating the official Mer/Nemo images? | 22:03 |
| alien_ | I ask because for example in case of systemd, build.pub.meego.com has an older version than what I have in my image | 22:04 |
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