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| Uninstall | Stskeeps: good morning | 10:11 |
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| [ol] | Anybody here with admin rights on Mer OBS? | 15:04 |
| dm8tbr | [ol]: what seems to be the problem? | 15:05 |
| [ol] | Could you please create a project with name «openSUSE.org» which has «<remoteurl>https://api.opensuse.org/public</remoteurl>» in its meta? | 15:08 |
| dm8tbr | that would be a question for lbt_away or Stskeeps, but why do you need that? | 15:09 |
| [ol] | I want to build OBS 2.4. | 15:11 |
| [ol] | So I need remote links to projects in OpenSuse OBS. | 15:11 |
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| [ol] | Currently I build OBS on mu OBS server, but I'm reluctant to allow public access to it. | 15:14 |
| [ol] | ^mu^my | 15:14 |
| [ol] | I can allow access to my OBS server for some trusted persons, but not to everybody. I use just chroot without any virtualisation for builds. | 15:15 |
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| sledges | very very nice, first mer child! http://makeplaylive.com/#/open-hardware/improv/discover | 17:07 |
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| Stskeeps | notmart: congrats | 17:22 |
| notmart | Stskeeps: thx :) | 17:22 |
| * sledges adds to the congrats | 17:23 | |
| * fk_lx also congratulates | 17:26 | |
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| * stephg jumps on the congratulations bandwagon! | 17:40 | |
| notmart | :) | 17:43 |
| raignarok | hm, how do I power SATA disks attached to the improv SATA port, I wonder? | 17:51 |
| ryukafalz | whoa, improv looks cool | 17:51 |
| ryukafalz | I already have a beaglebone black and raspberry pi but I might just have to pick one of these up too | 17:52 |
| ryukafalz | I didn't expect the first EOMA-68 stuff to be so cheap :D | 17:53 |
| raignarok | yeah, 74 | 17:53 |
| raignarok | yeah, 75$ is quite a good price for a modular cpu card + board. :) | 17:54 |
| ryukafalz | yeah | 18:00 |
| ryukafalz | and with it being modular, we could use the CPU card in any future devices too :) | 18:00 |
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| suy | I wasn't expecting 2 boards for this week. Seems like hemera and improv could compete a bit against each other. | 18:30 |
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| Guest35645 | would it be really stupid to think about putting this on a kindle? | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | is it possible to load a custom 2.6.32 kernel and file system on it? | 18:38 |
| wmarone_ | no | 18:38 |
| Guest35645 | 2.6.32 is pretty much what it has OOTB | 18:38 |
| wmarone_ | Guest35645: which model? | 18:39 |
| Guest35645 | Well. the kindle touch would be the asy quick win | 18:39 |
| Guest35645 | *easy | 18:39 |
| sledges | suy: hemera is not hardware afaik | 18:39 |
| Guest35645 | they llok at the more brickable paperwhite later... | 18:39 |
| wmarone_ | oh, actual kindle e-ink devices, not the tablets... | 18:40 |
| Guest35645 | right | 18:40 |
| Guest35645 | I already have tizen built for the kindles but the x11 gles river is a problem | 18:40 |
| Guest35645 | *driver | 18:40 |
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| Guest35645 | perhaps I should look at sailfish? or similar? any advice. Oh and THANKS for answering. | 18:41 |
| Guest35645 | The #tizen IRC was making me think my keyboard was broken | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | Guest35645: does it have an android adaptation? | 18:41 |
| Guest35645 | hmm. currently no | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | ok, as that'd give you opengl acceleration | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | ah, it's real eink? hmm | 18:42 |
| Guest35645 | I do have root though. and have run several iterations of qt on it long the years | 18:42 |
| Guest35645 | *along the years. (heh maybe my keyboard is broken, or my fingers) | 18:43 |
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| Stskeeps | vgrade ran qt5 qtquick1 and wayland on his eink device | 18:44 |
| Guest35645 | I've pretty much given up on Tizen for now for the kindle. the gles issue is a genuine issue.. transcending my skills.. but mer - or sailfish - or jolla looks good for the job | 18:45 |
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| Guest35645 | Right I have run wayland on eink | 18:45 |
| Guest35645 | and qt5 | 18:45 |
| Stskeeps | how many mhz do you have ooi? | 18:45 |
| Guest35645 | 8fps | 18:46 |
| Guest35645 | is the max eink speed for full screen refresh | 18:46 |
| Guest35645 | if that is what you were asking | 18:46 |
| Guest35645 | looks better thn it sounds | 18:46 |
| Guest35645 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8jQsbNAgqA | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | well, i meant, cpu frequency | 18:49 |
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| Guest35645 | ah | 18:51 |
| Guest35645 | err about 800 | 18:51 |
| Guest35645 | its an armv7l chip freescale | 18:51 |
| sledges | imx? | 18:51 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 18:52 |
| Guest35645 | new Paperwhit is like 1.2 | 18:52 |
| Guest35645 | but that will be "the next step", ill test it on the near-unbrickable Touch for now | 18:52 |
| Guest35645 | well, this all sounds very positive to me. I'll drag down an OS then | 18:54 |
| Guest35645 | recommand Jolla or Sailfish for a low mem device? | 18:54 |
| Guest35645 | 256 mb IIRC | 18:54 |
| Guest35645 | (Ill go check that) | 18:54 |
| Guest35645 | Processor: ARMv7 Processor rev 5 (v7l) | 18:56 |
| Guest35645 | BogoMIPS: 159.90 | 18:56 |
| Guest35645 | Features: swp half thumb fastmult vfp edsp neon vfpv3 | 18:56 |
| Guest35645 | Mem : 256 | 18:56 |
| Guest35645 | Linux kindle 2.6.31-rt11-lab126 | 18:56 |
| Guest35645 | Meh, I'll give it a try, what can it hurt. | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | 256mb might be a little low, but on the eink, you'd want custom qml components anyway | 18:57 |
| Guest35645 | oh okay | 18:58 |
| Guest35645 | There are a few qt developers already on the platform, I will ask them for help on that | 18:58 |
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| Guest35645 | because I am a monkey at best when it comes to these things | 18:59 |
| Guest35645 | well I'll try both OS's then. | 19:01 |
| Guest35645 | thanks for all your help | 19:01 |
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| Stskeeps | feel free to hang out, and get a proper nickname ;) | 19:02 |
| Guest35645 | k | 19:03 |
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| twobob | done | 19:03 |
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| Stskeeps | twobob: i work at jolla/sailfish fwiw, my gut feeling is that you'd want a custom qml component set anyway | 19:06 |
| Stskeeps | as stuff like sailfish is very much about erm .. color | 19:06 |
| Stskeeps | the same middleware is there though | 19:06 |
| twobob | k | 19:06 |
| twobob | yeah, I was thinking about implementing a dither layer | 19:07 |
| twobob | and by "me implementing" I mean "finding something else and jamming it in there" | 19:07 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 19:08 |
| Stskeeps | well | 19:08 |
| Stskeeps | strictly speaking you might be able to have sailfish pretty interesting on eink | 19:08 |
| Stskeeps | but you should photoshop that up | 19:08 |
| twobob | okay? | 19:08 |
| Stskeeps | well | 19:09 |
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| Stskeeps | imagine that sailfish had a black background and you then turned it inverse | 19:09 |
| twobob | k | 19:09 |
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| Stskeeps | what about resolution? | 19:11 |
| twobob | 102x768 | 19:11 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7v8hrsrHujY | 19:11 |
| twobob | err... 1024 | 19:11 |
| twobob | right | 19:12 |
| SpeedEvil | Nook simple touch - eink - nook simple touch | 19:12 |
| twobob | I have that on my nook | 19:12 |
| twobob | yeah - that video DOESNT have the dithering implemented | 19:12 |
| twobob | looks like crap | 19:12 |
| twobob | mine has the dithering on | 19:12 |
| twobob | that was one of the very early videos | 19:13 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah - I diddn't find the right one | 19:13 |
| twobob | on that | 19:13 |
| twobob | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBbl6egyPsQ | 19:14 |
| shmerl | Hi. Was msameer around where recently? | 19:14 |
| shmerl | *here | 19:14 |
| twobob | I just really really want to present an alternate native OS for the kindle - that isn;t closed source. I'll grab the mer platform SDK and x-compile it 1st. get step one over with. | 19:16 |
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| [ol] | lbt_away: Are you here? | 20:12 |
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| twobob | quick question | 20:58 |
| twobob | osc | 20:58 |
| twobob | err username and password? where do I go to get one? | 20:59 |
| M4rtinK | twobob: I think it is the same as for mer bugzilla | 21:00 |
| twobob | okay. Ill go get one of those then (if I can) | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | should be able to | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | also log in on build.merproject.org | 21:01 |
| twobob | k | 21:01 |
| twobob | on that right now then | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | [ol]: pong | 21:01 |
| [ol] | Stskeeps: pong | 21:02 |
| Stskeeps | [ol]: what remote link did you need? | 21:03 |
| [ol] | Oh, that was pong already? | 21:03 |
| [ol] | Could you please create a project with name «openSUSE.org» which has «<remoteurl>https://api.opensuse.org/public</remoteurl>» in its meta? | 21:03 |
| [ol] | Download on demand OpenSuse repos are good, but I need to link to different projects on opensuse.org OBS. | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | done, but be aware that obs remote links are the devil | 21:06 |
| [ol] | What's the problem wuth them? | 21:07 |
| Stskeeps | as in they sometimes block the scheduler | 21:08 |
| Stskeeps | from experience in meego.com | 21:08 |
| [ol] | Let's hope that 2.4 has no this problem. | 21:09 |
| [ol] | Anyway, thank you very much! | 21:10 |
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| twobob | Stskeeps, your docs are great. kudos for that | 21:31 |
| twobob | just spent 5 days smacking my head against the tizen ones to get a single build to complete. Yours are like a breath of fresh air. | 21:32 |
| Stskeeps | good | 21:33 |
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| twobob | osc co PROJECT PACKAGE | 21:41 |
| twobob | i that like... | 21:41 |
| twobob | IS* | 21:41 |
| Stskeeps | sb2 is even nicer, too | 21:41 |
| twobob | :) | 21:41 |
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| twobob | osc co mer-core:armv7l:release | 21:42 |
| twobob | or | 21:42 |
| twobob | osc co api.merproject.org mer-core:armv7l:release | 21:42 |
| twobob | or something else? | 21:42 |
| twobob | sorry total osc noob here | 21:42 |
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| twobob | Im reading the --help | 21:43 |
| M4rtinK | Stskeeps: dost that openSUSE.org OBS link make it possible to copy packages locally ? :) | 21:46 |
| M4rtinK | Stskeeps: without that crazy cross instance osc syntax | 21:46 |
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| twobob | *still scratching head* | 21:54 |
| twobob | read http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_Tutorial still not 100% sure what the PROJECT PACKAGE pair would be | 21:55 |
| twobob | I'll read it again I guess | 21:55 |
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| M4rtinK | OBS has a number of projects | 21:56 |
| M4rtinK | and the projects hold packages | 21:56 |
| twobob | ok | 21:56 |
| twobob | mer-core:armv7l:release is the pject I believe | 21:56 |
| twobob | I checked that with: osc -A https://api.merproject.org ls | 21:57 |
| M4rtinK | so what do you want to do with it ? | 21:57 |
| M4rtinK | copy a package from it ? | 21:57 |
| twobob | just not sure what the "package" bit is? or o I have that utterly wrong | 21:57 |
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| M4rtinK | well for example, this is my home project | 21:58 |
| twobob | Im trying to check out a local build | 21:58 |
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| M4rtinK | home:MartinK:nemo | 21:58 |
| twobob | as documented here https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK_and_SB2 | 21:58 |
| twobob | Section: Creating an SB2 Target for any (non-x86) Mer OBS package (draft) | 21:59 |
| M4rtinK | and this is a package in the project: https://build.merproject.org/package/show?package=monav&project=home%3AMartinK%3Anemo | 21:59 |
| twobob | oh | 21:59 |
| M4rtinK | also each project can have a target set | 21:59 |
| twobob | amrv7l for me | 21:59 |
| M4rtinK | and the target can be a different project | 21:59 |
| twobob | ah | 21:59 |
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| M4rtinK | really simplified | 22:00 |
| M4rtinK | of course different archs | 22:00 |
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| M4rtinK | so if you want to build something for mer-core | 22:00 |
| M4rtinK | you make a subproject in your home | 22:00 |
| M4rtinK | add a the package to the project | 22:01 |
| M4rtinK | and then set the target to mer-core & the archs you care about | 22:01 |
| twobob | hmm.. okay - that makes perfect sense | 22:02 |
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| twobob | however I am a "worked example" sort of learner so in the section where I would do: | 22:02 |
| twobob | osc co mer-core:armv7l:release PACKAGE | 22:03 |
| twobob | do I have to then find that packages URL and replace PACKAGE with that - similar to your example abve? | 22:03 |
| twobob | sorry if I am being a bit dim, this is my first rodeo | 22:04 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, there is a osc manpage: http://linux.die.net/man/1/osc | 22:05 |
| twobob | k | 22:06 |
| twobob | reading | 22:06 |
| twobob | oka so package is optional | 22:06 |
| twobob | hmm | 22:06 |
| M4rtinK | well, not sure what will it do actually :) | 22:07 |
| twobob | possibly check out all the packages? | 22:07 |
| M4rtinK | might checkout the whole project :) | 22:07 |
| twobob | I am still struggling to comprehand what a "package " is | 22:08 |
| twobob | like RPMS? | 22:08 |
| twobob | and SRPMS? | 22:08 |
| twobob | that kind things? | 22:08 |
| twobob | ooooh | 22:09 |
| twobob | the package is monav in yours | 22:09 |
| twobob | right? | 22:09 |
| M4rtinK | yeah | 22:09 |
| twobob | I think I get it now | 22:09 |
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| M4rtinK | usually you just checkout a single package | 22:09 |
| M4rtinK | work on it in your project | 22:09 |
| twobob | you have jasper, espeak etc... | 22:10 |
| M4rtinK | and then submit it for inclusion | 22:10 |
| M4rtinK | yep | 22:10 |
| twobob | okay. so I need to figure out which package the name is for the thingy I need | 22:10 |
| M4rtinK | also each project has a repository of binary packages | 22:10 |
| twobob | k | 22:10 |
| M4rtinK | that can be used as an normal repository | 22:10 |
| M4rtinK | on a Nemo device, PC, etc. | 22:11 |
| twobob | I see (I think) | 22:11 |
| M4rtinK | and it is automatically updated when packages are successfully built | 22:11 |
| M4rtinK | really handy for testing/package distribution | 22:12 |
| twobob | right - in the remote build system | 22:12 |
| M4rtinK | yeah | 22:12 |
| twobob | got you | 22:12 |
| M4rtinK | I think you can also do local builds | 22:12 |
| twobob | well the thing that is confusing me... | 22:12 |
| M4rtinK | but not sure this works on the Mer OBS | 22:12 |
| twobob | right! that is the thing | 22:13 |
| M4rtinK | worked on the old MeeGo one | 22:13 |
| twobob | about your question "can I do a local build" | 22:13 |
| twobob | I think that is what I am trying do https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK_and_SB2 | 22:13 |
| twobob | SECTION | 22:13 |
| twobob | Creating an SB2 Target for any (non-x86) Mer OBS package (draft) | 22:13 |
| twobob | osc provides the ability to do a "local build" where it creates a chroot within the SDK suitable for building a package. | 22:13 |
| twobob | right? | 22:14 |
| twobob | we appear to be roughly doing the same thing (albeit on utterly diffrent projects) | 22:14 |
| M4rtinK | I think it works like this | 22:15 |
| M4rtinK | fists you co the package | 22:15 |
| M4rtinK | that should make you a local copy of the package | 22:15 |
| twobob | that is the bit I cant do. | 22:15 |
| twobob | because when I go: | 22:15 |
| twobob | osc -A https://api.merproject.org ls | grep mer-core:armv7l:release | 22:15 |
| twobob | mer-core:armv7l:release | 22:15 |
| twobob | I see the one I want | 22:16 |
| twobob | but I cant figure out how that translates to be able to find the package related to that | 22:16 |
| M4rtinK | works for me: | 22:16 |
| M4rtinK | osc co home:MartinK:nemo monav | 22:16 |
| M4rtinK | A home:MartinK:nemo | 22:16 |
| M4rtinK | A home:MartinK:nemo/monav | 22:16 |
| M4rtinK | A home:MartinK:nemo/monav/05-drop_marchnative.patch | 22:16 |
| M4rtinK | A home:MartinK:nemo/monav/07-port_to_mapnik2.patch | 22:16 |
| twobob | undoubtedly pebcak | 22:16 |
| M4rtinK | A home:MartinK:nemo/monav/_service | 22:16 |
| M4rtinK | A home:MartinK:nemo/monav/monav.changes | 22:16 |
| M4rtinK | A home:MartinK:nemo/monav/monav.spec | 22:16 |
| M4rtinK | At revision 1. | 22:16 |
| twobob | sorry if I wasnt clear | 22:17 |
| twobob | I dont know how to find what packages are available in that project | 22:17 |
| twobob | is there like a "list packages" command? | 22:17 |
| twobob | *goes back to man page* | 22:18 |
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| M4rtinK | https://build.merproject.org/project/monitor?project=mer-core%3Aarmv7l%3Arelease | 22:19 |
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| twobob | ah | 22:19 |
| twobob | so... | 22:19 |
| M4rtinK | I've just put mer-core:armv7l:release to the search field | 22:19 |
| M4rtinK | clicked on the result | 22:19 |
| twobob | osc ls mer-core:armv7l:release | 22:19 |
| twobob | I did that !!! :( | 22:19 |
| M4rtinK | and then on the "monitor" tab | 22:19 |
| twobob | I must have screwed it up some how - DOH! | 22:20 |
| M4rtinK | yeah, it should also work from osc somehow | 22:20 |
| twobob | thanks SO ush for your help | 22:20 |
| twobob | very kind of you | 22:20 |
| M4rtinK | thanks :) | 22:21 |
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| twobob | BOOKMARKED | 22:21 |
| twobob | hero | 22:21 |
| M4rtinK | well, it took me quite some time back in 2011 when I started playing with it :) | 22:23 |
| twobob | well I started at 22:11 ;) so thanks so much | 22:23 |
| twobob | err 21:11 | 22:24 |
| twobob | but you get the joke I hope | 22:24 |
| M4rtinK | sure :) | 22:26 |
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| twobob | so. I totally get it now | 22:43 |
| twobob | much obliged to M4rtin there. | 22:44 |
| twobob | I think the key point that I was missing is that the doc I was following specifically said that that bit of docs was for a single package | 22:44 |
| twobob | whereas I am actually trying to put together an entire rootfs for a armvl (NOT armv7hl) target | 22:45 |
| twobob | hence my confusion, | 22:45 |
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| M4rtinK | don't really have any experience with that | 22:51 |
| M4rtinK | but I would say the general concept is the same :) | 22:51 |
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| twobob | I have grabbed the latest plasma active rootfs and am going to so what I can dredge up out of that | 22:54 |
| twobob | *see | 22:54 |
| CosmoHill | twobob: you have a cool nick | 22:55 |
| twobob | tyvm | 22:55 |
| * CosmoHill returns to lurk in the darkness | 22:55 | |
| twobob | https://soundcloud.com/twobob <-- is me | 22:55 |
| CosmoHill | I'll have a listen at work | 22:55 |
| twobob | cheers. | 22:56 |
| CosmoHill | cosmohill.co.uk for me | 22:56 |
| twobob | sweet checking it | 22:57 |
| CosmoHill | i have a backlog of editing to do and I've got to write some more before the end of the month >.< | 22:58 |
| twobob | nice cluster | 22:59 |
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| CosmoHill | thanks | 23:01 |
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| twobob | I have a whole bunch of kindles, keep meaning to look at clustering them. jut for kicks | 23:01 |
| CosmoHill | I should steal my dads so I can read 1940s / 50s sci-fi at work | 23:02 |
| twobob | :D | 23:03 |
| CosmoHill | i think I've read the whole foundation series by Isac Asimov | 23:07 |
| twobob | reckon I did too once upon a time | 23:07 |
| CosmoHill | twobob: if you like cars he's my thread: http://forums.kustompcs.co.uk/showthread.php?t=52714 | 23:07 |
| CosmoHill | I'm off to bed, cyas tomorrow. I'm always around | 23:07 |
| twobob | of course that time was over 20 years ago... | 23:08 |
| CosmoHill | night night | 23:08 |
| twobob | night dude | 23:08 |
| CosmoHill | last year for me | 23:08 |
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| twobob | not a far of cars | 23:09 |
| twobob | have to leave my cave to use them | 23:10 |
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