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| Stskeeps | morn | 05:10 |
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| Bostik | good morning | 05:12 |
| jussi | mrghrghrgh | 05:17 |
| * Stskeeps passes jussi the coffee pot | 05:17 | |
| jussi | thanks Stskeeps, need that one this morning | 05:17 |
| jussi | Elodi decided that 2 am was a good time to be awake... | 05:18 |
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| Stskeeps | now sitting with my month old son on chest too.. | 05:22 |
| Bostik | third cup of tea going down, and life finally looks decent again | 05:24 |
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| jussi | Stskeeps: ahh I had forgotten you got a little one also | 05:34 |
| jussi | How does it feel to be a daddy? | 05:34 |
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| Stskeeps | fantastic but tiring | 05:36 |
| jussi | I know exactly that feeling | 05:37 |
| * iekku wonders if she could sleep at all if there were children in the family | 05:41 | |
| jussi | iekku: in fits and starts ;) | 05:42 |
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| iekku | jussi, i sleep under 6hr now, so... | 05:42 |
| jussi | iekku: 3x 2hours is normal with a newborn :D | 05:43 |
| Stskeeps | uhhuh | 05:43 |
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| iekku | jussi, so that would be bit more than my current amount of sleep | 05:44 |
| iekku | damn | 05:44 |
| iekku | :P | 05:44 |
| jussi | hah | 05:44 |
| jussi | iekku: I have a friend who had a baby that would wake up every 1/2 to 1 hour... Living hell | 05:45 |
| jussi | They finally figured out what was wrong... the Kid was allergic to mothers breastmilk | 05:46 |
| iekku | uh :/ | 05:46 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. reactions to what mom eats are something midwives should spend more time explaining | 05:46 |
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| jussi | Stskeeps: ++ | 05:56 |
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| Bostik | okay guys, this is not entirely mer-specific but I've run out of ideas and google doesn't help either - what the hell am I doing wrong here? http://pastie.org/8231885 | 06:42 |
| Bostik | it's as if my spec-local behaviour changes are grossly ignored or overwritten | 06:43 |
| Stskeeps | strip comes from qt | 06:44 |
| Bostik | ... | 06:44 |
| * Bostik bangs head on desk | 06:44 | |
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| Bostik | [5 minutes and a few mkspecs/** greps later ...] | 06:48 |
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| Ji | hi a quick question, there is one package failed to be built in nemo:mw. Can this repo be used to generate image? | 06:51 |
| Ji | The failed package seems is not really important. but I am afried there are others configuration process executed after the whole project built sueecessfully | 06:52 |
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| niqt | hi | 08:08 |
| niqt | from yesterday i have this error ./i486/qt5-qtgui-devel-5.1.0+git6-1.11.1.i486.rpm' not found on medium 'http://repo.merproject.org/obs/mer:/qt:/devel/latest_i486 | 08:10 |
| Stskeeps | zypper ref | 08:10 |
| niqt | on repo there is new versio, thus i done zypper ref, but nothing | 08:11 |
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| timoph | so it took me the whole morning to get the crash thing to run after avoiding the whole summer of starting to work on it :p | 09:25 |
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| Stskeeps | i thought we're in winter by now | 09:25 |
| timoph | :) | 09:25 |
| timoph | anyway. finally I have so time to work on it | 09:25 |
| timoph | (and some motivation as well) | 09:25 |
| Bostik | summer is technically the time between nightly frosts and/or dante's inferno | 09:26 |
| timoph | took a couple of short cuts but basically it now produses a rcore -> scp to another machine -> extract -> backtrace -> put the info to a html page | 09:26 |
| timoph | the analysis part is currently just a simple shell script running in a cron job | 09:27 |
| sledgeSim | niqt, zypper info qt5-qtgui-devel | 09:28 |
| timoph | a start anyway. Now I just need to make the thing actually usefull :) | 09:28 |
| niqt | sledgim i re-created sb2 target | 09:29 |
| sledgeSim | fairplay | 09:29 |
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| timoph | .fi summer == no snow on the ground | 09:30 |
| sledgeSim | dm8tbr, probably not the most suitable for the planet, but still: http://nsuffys.tumblr.com/ | 09:31 |
| Bostik | aye; short, but at least short on snow too | 09:31 |
| niqt | sledge, info tell me 5.0.2 but while build rpm installed 5.1 | 09:38 |
| sledgeSim | hmm | 09:39 |
| sledgeSim | what repo does info tell? | 09:39 |
| dm8tbr | sledgeSim: well I can filter in planet | 09:41 |
| dm8tbr | it does regex | 09:41 |
| dm8tbr | ah, well that's nemo content, nice | 09:42 |
| sledgeSim | i just always though blog is something with more than just a headline :) | 09:42 |
| dm8tbr | welll..... :/ | 09:42 |
| dm8tbr | tumblr... | 09:42 |
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| niqt | sledgesim http://pastebin.com/LribCGmB | 09:43 |
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| sledgeSim | dm8tbr, "All about Nemo Mobile...Not official blog." :) | 09:44 |
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| dm8tbr | so, keep em coming | 09:48 |
| dm8tbr | there must be moarrrr blogz! | 09:48 |
| sledgeSim | pity xavinux deleted half of his very useful posts | 09:49 |
| sledgeSim | he probably got employed by nokia or something sinister :)) | 09:51 |
| sledgeSim | and went off the grid 8) | 09:51 |
| sledgeSim | -- | 09:54 |
| sledgeSim | how to know which package belongs to which obs project? | 09:54 |
| * sledgeSim can't find origins of qt5-qtgui-devel | 09:54 | |
| rcg | sledgeSim, did you look in mer gitweb? | 09:55 |
| sledgeSim | right, it's part of qtbase | 09:55 |
| sledgeSim | yes, but only after i looked into .spec of qtbase :) | 09:55 |
| rcg | the very base packages are not in obs but are pulled from there iirc | 09:55 |
| rcg | hehe, aye :) | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | sledgeSim: qtbase | 09:55 |
| sledgeSim | rcg, yes, but they still have obs packaging info, and go to the misterious mer obs ;) | 09:55 |
| rcg | sledgeSim, yeah :) | 09:56 |
| sledgeSim | niqt, I have't got an idea where did you see 5.1 version being pulled in | 09:57 |
| sledgeSim | http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-core/qtbase.git;a=tree says it's 50.2 | 09:57 |
| sledgeSim | 5.0.5 | 09:57 |
| sledgeSim | 5.0.2 | 09:57 |
| * sledgeSim needs strong tea | 09:57 | |
| Stskeeps | mer:qt | 09:57 |
| sledgeSim | Stskeeps, thanks | 09:58 |
| sledgeSim | so there's somewhat a conflict if niqt adds http://repo.merproject.org/obs/mer:/qt:/devel/... to his .ks | 09:58 |
| sledgeSim | probably playing with priorities or disabling mer-core (zypper mr -d mer-core) could yield different zypper info , niqt | 09:59 |
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| dm8tbr | sledgeSim: the planet is growing \o/ | 10:12 |
| sledgeSim | dm8tbr, ah ofc | 10:14 |
| sledgeSim | http://play.qwazix.com/grog/ | 10:15 |
| sledgeSim | and this is not blog though: http://hurrian.github.io/glacier/ | 10:15 |
| sledgeSim | another one: http://www.seadot.org/ | 10:15 |
| dm8tbr | I think that's enough for an own nemo planet :D | 10:16 |
| * dm8tbr creates | 10:16 | |
| sledgeSim | ;D | 10:16 |
| dm8tbr | the second two urls are not blogs though | 10:20 |
| sledgeSim | nope :) | 10:20 |
| sledgeSim | but someone could blog about them :D | 10:20 |
| dm8tbr | ok, mer and nemo planets are in good shape now | 10:24 |
| dm8tbr | as a start that is | 10:24 |
| dm8tbr | now next: planet sailfish | 10:24 |
| fk_lx | dm8tbr: great! :-) | 10:25 |
| sledgeSim | dm8tbr, why /mer still contains nemo bits? | 10:25 |
| sledgeSim | also this is mer related: superpelicanblog.wordpress.com/porting-mer-corenemo-mobile-to-the-cherry-m1007/ | 10:25 |
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| dm8tbr | sledgeSim: because stuff overlaps | 10:42 |
| sledgeSim | ah ok | 10:42 |
| dm8tbr | sledgeSim: if people tag their stuf 'mer' it will be picked up | 10:42 |
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| dm8tbr | if blogs are 100% nemo, let me know and I'll have them on the nemo only feed | 10:42 |
| sledgeSim | okay | 10:43 |
| dm8tbr | also I wonder if there should be two different planets, one for sailfish and one for jolla....... | 10:43 |
| dm8tbr | as that will be different target audience | 10:43 |
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| alterego | I've said it before and I'll say it again, connman is a pos. | 11:24 |
| alterego | Everything else manages to maintain a network connection, but connman seems to have complete disregard for DHCP lease times and it's screwing my rpi up :( | 11:25 |
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| sledgeSim | alterego, could this be mildly related to: http://www.merproject.org/logs/%23nemomobile/%23nemomobile.2013-05-30.log.html#t2013-05-30T05:21:35 | 11:36 |
| sledgeSim | ? | 11:36 |
| sledgeSim | ^ from n950 dhcp (eth via usb) would just drop/fall back into 167.xxx.xxx.xxx address | 11:37 |
| sledgeSim | after a minute or so | 11:37 |
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| sledgeSim | iirc updating to a fixed connman version fixed :} but that is a ~3month old issue.. | 11:41 |
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| alterego | This is a proper ethernet link. And I'm using pretty up-to-date stuff. | 11:55 |
| alterego | I'll probably investigate it later. My setup isn't exactly conventional. | 11:56 |
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| sledgeSim | well usb encapsulates ethernet properly (85% credibility of that :)) | 11:59 |
| sledgeSim | surely you now went static ip way.. | 12:00 |
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| lbt_ | alterego: tbh the upstream guys are reasonably responsive - I'd say it's worth talking to them | 12:03 |
| sledgeSim | it might also be rpi hw related, so they'll appreciate :) | 12:05 |
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| slaine | Any n950 club members around ? | 14:27 |
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| Superpelican | Stskeeps:Would it be possible to release the .ks you used for Qt5/Wayland based Nemo/Mer on the Alcatel One Touch? | 14:31 |
| Superpelican | Stskeeps:It could save me work, as I need to make a Qt5/Wayland based image for my tablet (needs libhybris, Mali 400) | 14:32 |
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| alterego | slaine: I am | 14:37 |
| slaine | I'm wondering if anyones used it with PR1.3 ? | 14:37 |
| slaine | and if it's still possible to do that | 14:37 |
| slaine | given that most of the infrastructure is down | 14:37 |
| alterego | It should still be possible, if you have access to the correct firmware. | 14:39 |
| alterego | Or the ability to modify N9 firmware. | 14:40 |
| slaine | I guess I'll have to trawl t.m.o | 14:40 |
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| alterego | Hah, good luck. :D | 14:40 |
| slaine | lol | 14:40 |
| slaine | would be great if that sailfish image was available though, hint hint | 14:40 |
| alterego | I wouldn't know anything about that :) | 14:41 |
| alterego | As far as I was aware, there will be no such thing. | 14:42 |
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| alterego | slaine: also, why would you want PR1.3? :P | 14:51 |
| slaine | well, I found the pre 1.2 firmware that's on it buggy | 14:51 |
| slaine | I'm looking at using it as a replacement phone for a few months | 14:51 |
| alterego | What's your current phone? | 14:51 |
| slaine | or I've an option of an SGS with CM. | 14:51 |
| slaine | need an unlock code for that though | 14:52 |
| alterego | Hmm, I see. | 14:52 |
| slaine | And of course, there's a Lumia 800 in my cupboard somewhere | 14:52 |
| alterego | Hah, use that! | 14:52 |
| * slaine shudders | 14:52 | |
| slaine | I've an iPhone4, giving it to my wife | 14:52 |
| alterego | I read last week someone found a vulnerability in Windows Phone that MS weren't able to fix. | 14:53 |
| alterego | (in an update) | 14:53 |
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| slaine | at least I've got options | 14:54 |
| alterego | N900? | 14:54 |
| slaine | Nah, couldn't go back to that. | 14:54 |
| slaine | not as a main phone, it's a great dev target | 14:54 |
| alterego | My brother recently went back to using his N900 after his xperia died and he's waiting for his upgrade. | 14:55 |
| slaine | nod | 14:55 |
| alterego | He said he still kind of prefers it. :D | 14:55 |
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| slaine | we're doing the phone shuffle in my house | 14:55 |
| sledgeSim | alterego, put nemo(qt5+wayland) on n950, take silica blobs from jolla phone when released, and you'll have sailfish there | 14:55 |
| slaine | it's my eldest sons birthday at the end of the month, he's getting my wife's iPhone 3gs, she won't won't learn anything new so she's getting my iPhone4 | 14:56 |
| alterego | sledgeSim: yes, but you don't really want to go around promoting that. You'll have to actually own the device to be able to do that. | 14:56 |
| alterego | At which point, what's the point? | 14:56 |
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| sledgeSim | Jukka Eklund himself went around promoting that :P | 14:57 |
| slaine | lol | 14:57 |
| Superpelican | sledgeSim:Promoting what? | 14:57 |
| alterego | There's also the SSU ability, you probably will have to manually update everytime your jolla phone is updated. | 14:57 |
| sledgeSim | Superpelican, what i just said | 14:57 |
| slaine | hah | 14:57 |
| alterego | Nokia said the same thing about Harmattan and the N900. | 14:58 |
| sledgeSim | if jolla was nokia, i wouldn't be here | 14:58 |
| Superpelican | sledgeSim:Are you referring to: [16:55] <sledgeSim> alterego, put nemo(qt5+wayland) on n950, take silica blobs from jolla phone when released, and you'll have sailfish there ? | 14:58 |
| sledgeSim | Superpelican, yes | 14:58 |
| alterego | It requires the community to actually want it that bad, really. | 14:58 |
| alterego | And I'm not convinced anyone with an actually Jolla handset will be that bothered about getting it on their N9 or N950s | 14:59 |
| alterego | s/actually/actual/ | 14:59 |
| Superpelican | alterego:+1 | 14:59 |
| Superpelican | alterego:Most people will probably just want to use the Jolla as their main phone | 14:59 |
| Superpelican | and use the N9/N950 with Nemo | 14:59 |
| Superpelican | as dev/hacking device | 14:59 |
| slaine | it's a pity they can't release the n9[50] images with the binary only stuff via a special repo. | 14:59 |
| alterego | If you look at tmo, many people didn't get N9/50 the demand for Harmattan on the N900 was extremely high, did anyone do anything? Nope. | 14:59 |
| sledgeSim | whatever will be will be, we'll put nemo with glacier first anyhow, some hardcore opensource lovers will not even want sailfish | 14:59 |
| alterego | Superpelican: agreed | 15:00 |
| slaine | sledgeSim: nice work there too btw | 15:00 |
| Superpelican | too bad my N900 can't boot Nemo anymore :( | 15:00 |
| sledgeSim | given nemo:mw is fulled by jolla | 15:00 |
| sledgeSim | is a nice piece of pie | 15:00 |
| sledgeSim | thanks slaine | 15:00 |
| Superpelican | that immediately destroys it's only purpose | 15:00 |
| alterego | slaine: if they did that, then they risk losing customers for their actual handset. | 15:00 |
| slaine | wish I had time to contribute | 15:00 |
| alterego | slaine: They also can't charge us for images (well maybe they could) but I'm sure there's some issue with that and Nokia. | 15:01 |
| sledgeSim | count(losing customers) = count(n9xx owners) | 15:01 |
| Superpelican | alterego, sledgeSim:I believe Jolla will open source their UI at some point | 15:01 |
| alterego | Superpelican: I'm not convinced. | 15:01 |
| sledgeSim | alterego, that's why im concentrating on nemo+glacier | 15:01 |
| sledgeSim | the time is now, senseless to wait jolla phone | 15:01 |
| sledgeSim | when we have contributions from jolla at hand already | 15:02 |
| Superpelican | sledgeSim:But will you use Silica? | 15:02 |
| sledgeSim | and good hardware adaptation | 15:02 |
| sledgeSim | from the past | 15:02 |
| slaine | alterego: Yup, I understand that, but if the cross section of purchasers that wouldn't buy a Jolla phone and use the images on their N9[50]'s is that big a deal then they're off to a bad start with their target market. | 15:02 |
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| sledgeSim | the biggest challenge now is - stabilise wayland on n9(50) | 15:02 |
| Superpelican | slaine:+1 | 15:02 |
| sledgeSim | but i'm not losing hope | 15:02 |
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| alterego | slaine: their target market is anyone that is interested in buying it. ;) | 15:02 |
| alterego | There isn't really a "specific" audience. I'm sure as a company they'd have a more the merrier approach, and aslong as their customers are happy. | 15:03 |
| sledgeSim | "the time is now" puts oss communit in "chasing the taillights" position, but that's still a rip-roaring time working on such superbly designed sw+hw combo (i own n9 e.g.) | 15:04 |
| slaine | Well, hobbyists won't get them very far. I thought they where going for China. | 15:04 |
| alterego | China is still one of their primary focuses sure. | 15:05 |
| slaine | and they should do well there. | 15:05 |
| alterego | Though that has expanded I imagine with the DNA partnership in Finland. | 15:05 |
| slaine | nod | 15:05 |
| Superpelican | alterego:http://ubuntuone.com/5gDNwBTxUMWkm1kTptcpEl | 15:05 |
| Superpelican | What they're trying to say | 15:05 |
| Superpelican | is that they can't release the UI yet | 15:05 |
| Superpelican | because they'll be copied | 15:06 |
| alterego | Superpelican: yes, which is exactly what I said :) | 15:06 |
| alterego | Superpelican: they will sell sailfish os to other vendors. | 15:06 |
| alterego | That is the plan. | 15:06 |
| Superpelican | what do they want to sell? | 15:06 |
| alterego | The complete stack. | 15:06 |
| Superpelican | the UI? | 15:06 |
| alterego | Sure | 15:06 |
| Superpelican | But Mer and Nemo middleware | 15:06 |
| Superpelican | can be obtained for free as in beer | 15:06 |
| Superpelican | so | 15:06 |
| alterego | Yes, they can, | 15:07 |
| Superpelican | why would someone | 15:07 |
| alterego | They can also use Mer & Nemo themselves and do exactly what Jolla are trying to acheive. | 15:07 |
| sledgeSim | ^ already happening btw | 15:07 |
| alterego | Exactly. | 15:07 |
| Superpelican | I'm suprised | 15:07 |
| Superpelican | that nobody has used Nemo already yet in a device | 15:08 |
| Superpelican | I mean | 15:08 |
| Superpelican | You get a whole OS | 15:08 |
| Superpelican | for free | 15:08 |
| alterego | Competition is good, it keeps people focused on innovating and improving things for their customers. | 15:08 |
| Superpelican | with a community around it | 15:08 |
| Superpelican | What manufacturer wouldn't want that? | 15:08 |
| sledgeSim | no apps | 15:08 |
| Superpelican | yeah | 15:08 |
| sledgeSim | if they put android app support, then maybe | 15:08 |
| Superpelican | but | 15:08 |
| sledgeSim | so instead they just go with android for now | 15:09 |
| Superpelican | every new OS has that problem | 15:09 |
| alterego | Superpelican: Most manufacturers now-a-days are quite old fashioned. Making a big discision to invest in a new platform isn't always the first things on their minds. | 15:09 |
| alterego | It's usually budgets and not wanting to spend any money. | 15:09 |
| slaine | but then why not just do a custom launcher/ui skin for android and have android compatability | 15:09 |
| alterego | Android compatibility costs. | 15:09 |
| slaine | You've to pay M$ a license fee ;o | 15:09 |
| Superpelican | but how many new Android manufacturers are going to come? | 15:09 |
| Superpelican | it's really getting boring | 15:10 |
| alterego | Any phone is riddled with royalties and cost to 3rd party application providers for stock phone apps. | 15:10 |
| alterego | Well, any "smartphone". | 15:10 |
| Superpelican | do they really think that they can keep selling the same cr*p? | 15:10 |
| sledgeSim | as many as they will reach lowest andy phone/tablet price mark | 15:10 |
| slaine | The sad truth is that Android has be come the embedded linux we've all wanted to be available, it's just that it's structured in such a way that vendors don't have to provide the driver code upstream | 15:11 |
| alterego | Superpelican: I hope Jolla will show the industry what is capable, in a short time and make other companies think seriously about using Mer. | 15:11 |
| Superpelican | :nod: | 15:11 |
| Superpelican | slaine:Well | 15:11 |
| Superpelican | I don't think | 15:11 |
| alterego | Superpelican: and as a stepping stone for manyfacturers, sailfishos will provide that, and provide revenue for Jolla at the same time. | 15:11 |
| Superpelican | alterego:But if their whole business plan relies on selling Sailfish OS | 15:12 |
| Superpelican | why don't they just make clear | 15:12 |
| Superpelican | that the Sailfish UI | 15:12 |
| Superpelican | will stay propierarity? | 15:12 |
| alterego | Erm, I never said that was their whole business plan. It would be pretty naive to think that :P | 15:12 |
| alterego | After all, they've created their own phone. | 15:12 |
| Superpelican | But why | 15:13 |
| alterego | Superpelican: never say never. | 15:13 |
| Superpelican | do they keep saying | 15:13 |
| Superpelican | that their UI might become open source? | 15:13 |
| alterego | They've not said that as far as I've seen. | 15:13 |
| Superpelican | they're only going to disappoint people that way | 15:13 |
| alterego | They've intentionally been vague saying they could never rule it out. | 15:13 |
| alterego | Like I said, "Never say never" ;) | 15:13 |
| Superpelican | I really hope | 15:14 |
| Superpelican | they start making some things clear | 15:14 |
| Superpelican | this autumn | 15:14 |
| Superpelican | They can't keep being vague | 15:14 |
| Superpelican | I understand it for now | 15:14 |
| Superpelican | but | 15:15 |
| Superpelican | they'll have to start opening up | 15:15 |
| slaine | No they won't | 15:15 |
| Superpelican | 1-2 months for the launch | 15:15 |
| slaine | They'll have to start making money :) | 15:15 |
| alterego | I don't think they're being vague at all. They're saying currently they don't have any real plans on doing it, but you never know :) | 15:15 |
| Superpelican | slaine:I didn't mean opening up | 15:15 |
| Superpelican | as in making stuff open source | 15:15 |
| Superpelican | but | 15:15 |
| slaine | Oh right :) | 15:15 |
| Superpelican | showing the closed parts | 15:16 |
| slaine | that would be nice thought right :) | 15:16 |
| Superpelican | like the browser | 15:16 |
| Superpelican | and more specs | 15:16 |
| Superpelican | the things | 15:16 |
| alterego | Jolla have done loads in developing Mer and Nemo, I'd say that's pretty open .. | 15:16 |
| Superpelican | that people currently want to know | 15:16 |
| Aard | Superpelican: we will have a browser. :p | 15:16 |
| alterego | UIs have and will always be a matter of branding and revenue. | 15:16 |
| alterego | teeheehee | 15:16 |
| Superpelican | alterego:Would be awesome to be able to install Nemo as a sort DE on Sailfish ;) | 15:16 |
| Superpelican | for the advanced users ;) | 15:17 |
| alterego | Superpelican: I'm sure the Jolla device will be open enough to have Nemo on it. I even think that was mentioned at some point. | 15:17 |
| Superpelican | alterego:Yes | 15:17 |
| Superpelican | I know that Nemo | 15:17 |
| Superpelican | probably will eventually be ported | 15:17 |
| Superpelican | to the Jolla | 15:17 |
| Superpelican | alterego:But I was meaning | 15:18 |
| Superpelican | keeping stock Sailfish installed | 15:18 |
| Superpelican | but just installing the Nemo/Glacier UI | 15:18 |
| Superpelican | and sideload it with the stock Sailfish UI | 15:18 |
| Superpelican | like on the desktop | 15:18 |
| alterego | Well, that would be interesting yes. | 15:18 |
| alterego | And I'm sure it wouldn't be impossible :) | 15:18 |
| Superpelican | so you could keep the stable, welltested base | 15:18 |
| Superpelican | that is finetuned for the Jolla | 15:19 |
| Superpelican | but have the new UI | 15:19 |
| Aard | Superpelican: they started porting the nemo-ui to wayland, which is prerequisite to having it run on jolla. having both uis installed should be doable (though the session startup is currently not designed for that) | 15:19 |
| Aard | basically, you'd need to replace the compositor coming up, and replace a few prestart apps (like voicecall) with the nemo-ui ones | 15:19 |
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| alterego | Aard: would that be necessary if nemo implemented the protocol for cover interactivity? | 15:20 |
| Superpelican | sledgeSim:But will Glacier use Silica? | 15:20 |
| sledgeSim | no | 15:20 |
| Aard | alterego: with wayland compositor and homescreen is one application | 15:20 |
| Superpelican | sledgeSim:Why not? | 15:20 |
| Superpelican | would prevent fragmentation | 15:20 |
| Superpelican | and the Silica components are already open | 15:20 |
| sledgeSim | we'll be using QtQuick2 Controls | 15:21 |
| Superpelican | sledgeSim:So the components introduced in Qt 5.1? | 15:21 |
| sledgeSim | if silica is/will be using them too, might derive some custom controls to save work | 15:21 |
| alterego | Ooo, my curry should be arriving soon. | 15:21 |
| Superpelican | sledgeSim:So that are the standard QtQuick components? | 15:22 |
| Superpelican | from Qt 5.1? | 15:22 |
| * sledgeSim off for late lunch, thanks alterego | 15:22 | |
| alterego | sledgeSim: see ya | 15:22 |
| sledgeSim | :) | 15:22 |
| sledgeSim | Superpelican, they are called qtquick controls | 15:23 |
| slaine | Is all the work porting to Wayland currently happening in the VM builds ? | 15:23 |
| sledgeSim | Superpelican, http://www.mail-archive.com/mer-general@lists.merproject.org/msg01238.html | 15:23 |
| Superpelican | sledgeSim:I know | 15:23 |
| alterego | I will be playing xbox and refurbishing my reprap this evening. :) | 15:23 |
| Superpelican | just ensuring that we were thinking of the same components :) | 15:23 |
| Superpelican | sledgeSim:But why | 15:23 |
| Aard | slaine: at the moment, yes. I started packaging configuration for n9, but finishing that would require merging in the old x11 configuration as well, which I didn't have time for | 15:23 |
| Superpelican | are the current Nemo Qt5 apps being ported to com.nokia.meego components? | 15:24 |
| Aard | but with some manual package installs getting wayland up on n9 should work | 15:24 |
| sledgeSim | slaine, there's a wayland PoC for n950 | 15:24 |
| alterego | Superpelican: some are some aren;t. | 15:24 |
| Superpelican | but | 15:24 |
| sledgeSim | Superpelican, they were all written using com.nokia.meego in qt4 | 15:24 |
| Superpelican | I understand | 15:24 |
| sledgeSim | now we transition to qt5 versions of them | 15:25 |
| slaine | I may setup my laptop this evening and see if I can get something running | 15:25 |
| Superpelican | but why not | 15:25 |
| slaine | would love to make some time to contribute | 15:25 |
| Superpelican | port directly to QtQuick controls? | 15:25 |
| sledgeSim | and afterwards we'll write glacier qt-components, and move apps to them | 15:25 |
| Superpelican | sledgeSim:? | 15:25 |
| Superpelican | but you said | 15:25 |
| Superpelican | that you were going to use QtQuick controls | 15:25 |
| sledgeSim | yes, we'll write glacier qt-components using qtquick controls | 15:25 |
| Superpelican | sledgeSim:eh | 15:26 |
| Superpelican | so you're saying | 15:26 |
| Superpelican | that you will use basic QtQuick controls like buttons, text etc | 15:26 |
| sledgeSim | yes | 15:26 |
| Superpelican | and will use QtQuick controls | 15:26 |
| sledgeSim | and skin them | 15:26 |
| sledgeSim | or derive more custom ones | 15:26 |
| sledgeSim | based on those primitives | 15:26 |
| Superpelican | sledgeSim:But as a developer | 15:26 |
| Superpelican | would I notice the difference? | 15:26 |
| Superpelican | if they're skinned? | 15:26 |
| Superpelican | would I need to rewrite my QtQuick controls based UI? | 15:27 |
| sledgeSim | this will be answered later | 15:27 |
| sledgeSim | good point, portability will be considered | 15:27 |
| sledgeSim | harmattan<->silica<->old_nemo | 15:27 |
| Superpelican | sledgeSim:I have a Sailfish app | 15:27 |
| sledgeSim | thanks for this point | 15:27 |
| Superpelican | and I would like to port it to Nemo | 15:27 |
| Superpelican | but | 15:27 |
| sledgeSim | harmattan<->silica<->old_nemo<->glacier | 15:27 |
| Superpelican | I don't want to port it first | 15:27 |
| Superpelican | to Qt5 com.nokia.meego components | 15:28 |
| Superpelican | then to QtQuick controls | 15:28 |
| Superpelican | and then at last | 15:28 |
| Superpelican | to Glacier components! | 15:28 |
| sledgeSim | no, you wont do the first step | 15:28 |
| sledgeSim | we are doing, as glacier is not ready | 15:28 |
| sledgeSim | and com nokia is since ages | 15:28 |
| Superpelican | sledgeSim:But | 15:28 |
| Superpelican | why doesn't the community start writing the Glacier components first | 15:28 |
| Superpelican | and then | 15:28 |
| sledgeSim | because we need qt5 port first | 15:29 |
| Superpelican | port all Qt4 com.nokia.meego | 15:29 |
| sledgeSim | and on wayland | 15:29 |
| Superpelican | components | 15:29 |
| Superpelican | to the Glacier components directly? | 15:29 |
| Superpelican | But X11 still works | 15:29 |
| Superpelican | so | 15:29 |
| Superpelican | why hurry? | 15:29 |
| sledgeSim | because wayland is the way | 15:29 |
| sledgeSim | *future | 15:29 |
| Superpelican | yes | 15:30 |
| Superpelican | but | 15:30 |
| Superpelican | it'll take a longer time | 15:30 |
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| Superpelican | to reach *the future* | 15:30 |
| Superpelican | if you keep porting apps | 15:30 |
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| alterego | Wow, that glacier stuff looks awesome. | 15:30 |
| sledgeSim | because we need to move to qt5 | 15:31 |
| sledgeSim | first | 15:31 |
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| sledgeSim | and qt5 nemo wont work on x11 | 15:31 |
| Superpelican | why? | 15:31 |
| Superpelican | yes | 15:31 |
| Superpelican | but why do you need to move to Qt5? | 15:31 |
| Superpelican | Qt4 Nemo will still work | 15:31 |
| sledgeSim | because of qt5 controls lol | 15:31 |
| Superpelican | yes | 15:31 |
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| sledgeSim | and jolla moved to qt5 ages ago | 15:31 |
| Superpelican | well | 15:32 |
| sledgeSim | and they are providing mw | 15:32 |
| Superpelican | if you want to keep up with Jolla | 15:32 |
| sledgeSim | so why get stuck? | 15:32 |
| sledgeSim | it's not a question if we want to keep up ;P | 15:32 |
| Superpelican | why don't use their Silica components too? | 15:32 |
| sledgeSim | i answered that already | 15:32 |
| Superpelican | shared components would make things a lot easier | 15:32 |
| sledgeSim | 16:21 < sledgeSim> if silica is/will be using them too, might derive some custom controls to save work | 15:32 |
| Superpelican | you would benefit from all the Sailfish apps | 15:33 |
| sledgeSim | will all be answered when we actually start working on glacier components | 15:33 |
| sledgeSim | no-one prevent silica sitting side by side to glacier in nemo | 15:33 |
| Superpelican | yes | 15:33 |
| Superpelican | but Silica != closed source Jolla Sailfish UI | 15:33 |
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| sledgeSim | i did not mention sailfish | 15:34 |
| sledgeSim | this discussion spiralled out to #nemomobile topic :) and btw, thanks alterego , thanks to Hurrian for the glacier UI | 15:35 |
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| Superpelican | sledgeSim:ok let's continue the discussion on #nemomobile | 15:36 |
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