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sledges | gry, thanks. and on your host? (same command) | 03:42 |
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gry | sledges: no such thing on the host, usb0: error fetching interface information: Device not found | 03:43 |
sledges | thats the problem | 03:43 |
sledges | on host: lsmod | grep cdc | 03:44 |
gry | https://pastee.org/747hk | 03:45 |
sledges | and: tail -f /var/log/messages.log | 03:45 |
sledges | and replug the usb | 03:45 |
gry | this tail -f on host or on phone? did it on host and got no output | 03:46 |
sledges | host | 03:46 |
sledges | dmesg | 03:47 |
sledges | and inspecf last lines (no need to replug cable now) | 03:47 |
gry | nothing from last few hours in dmesg | 03:47 |
sledges | try different usb port? | 03:48 |
sledges | see if anything in dmesg whenbyou replug another usb peripheral? | 03:49 |
gry | nothing | 03:49 |
sledges | if you are using n900, on it the usb port sometimes goes knackered | 03:49 |
sledges | do other usb peripherals work for you then? | 03:49 |
gry | yes, I'm using a usb mouse and keyboard, but they leave no messages in dmesg | 03:50 |
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gry | just did tail -f /var/log/*, syslog and kernlog have some info | 03:51 |
sledges | no messages in /var/lofg/messages.log ? | 03:52 |
gry | https://pastee.org/73sxy | 03:52 |
gry | it's just /var/log/messages, without .log bit, and no new messages there, only in the two other files | 03:53 |
sledges | ifconfig -a | 03:54 |
gry | https://pastee.org/qw48g | 03:54 |
sledges | ok | 03:55 |
sledges | hour isb dev is eth2 | 03:55 |
sledges | usb | 03:55 |
sledges | but you are using networkmanager | 03:56 |
sledges | so set static ip to eth2 via its settings GUI | 03:57 |
gry | there is no eth2 connetion in network manager | 03:57 |
sledges | then just do ifconfig eth2 192.168.2.14 | 03:58 |
sledges | you should be able to ping your host from phone now | 03:58 |
sledges | and replace n900 with eth2 in /etc/network/interfaces | 03:59 |
sledges | (all instances ofc) | 04:00 |
sledges | you might have to run iptables manually first, to have internet shared to your n900(but if you use wifi there, it's not needed) | 04:00 |
gry | yes, I can ping host from phone now, but how do I name the thing as 'n900' in interfaces file again? the old name is more readable | 04:03 |
sledges | you need to rename your ethernnet interface | 04:04 |
sledges | i think its done via udev | 04:04 |
sledges | google a bit that one :) | 04:04 |
* sledges great success, goes back to sleep :) nite! | 04:04 | |
gry | rename where, on phone? | 04:04 |
sledges | on host | 04:05 |
gry | I didn't really name it 'eth2' on the host.. | 04:05 |
sledges | your host did | 04:05 |
gry | can I just delete it and recreate with proper name? or did networkmanager assign that name and there is no way to change it? | 04:05 |
sledges | so create a rule that renames eth2 to n900 based on usb IDs | 04:06 |
sledges | a udev rule | 04:06 |
gry | ok, thanks, sleep well :) | 04:06 |
sledges | google for 'rename eth interface udev' | 04:06 |
sledges | cheers :) it was an odd wakeup at 4:30am lol | 04:07 |
dm8tbr | oh, someone else had to get up early too | 04:09 |
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juiceme | morning | 04:25 |
juiceme | faenil, I did a complete reinstall, and am maybe at the same state I was before started fixing it :) | 04:26 |
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gry | I followed the rest of the steps at the wiki but phone can't ping anything other than itself and host still. | 04:39 |
gry | 'destination host unreachable' for ping 8.8.8.8 for example | 04:39 |
dm8tbr | and which wiki-page would that be? | 04:40 |
chriadam | gry: does the host have ip forwarding set? have you set up a route on the phone? what does /etc/resolv.conf contain? | 04:43 |
chriadam | well, that last one won't apply just yet, of course. | 04:44 |
gry | dm8tbr, https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/USBNetworking | 04:44 |
dm8tbr | gry: shut down the firewall on your PC (or simply flush iptables) | 04:45 |
dm8tbr | and then try again | 04:45 |
gry | chriadam: https://pastee.org/63zfm I don't really think the forwarding works right... | 04:45 |
dm8tbr | gry: what are the routes on your PC? | 04:46 |
chriadam | what does `cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward` say? | 04:46 |
chriadam | you may have to do something like `echo "1" | sudo tee /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward` | 04:47 |
gry | https://pastee.org/ccfd6 <-- routing on phone; https://pastee.org/bz2p6 <-- routing on laptop | 04:47 |
gry | "cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" says '1' both on phone and laptop | 04:48 |
chriadam | what's the ip address of the phone? | 04:49 |
chriadam | .2.15? | 04:49 |
gry | 192.168.2.15 I think | 04:49 |
chriadam | can you check both the phone and host with ifconfig? | 04:50 |
chriadam | the final thing would be `sudo /sbin/route add default gw 192.168.2.14` on phone | 04:50 |
dm8tbr | the phone already has two default routes... | 04:51 |
chriadam | then you need to /sbin/route del default gw XXX until there are none | 04:51 |
dm8tbr | also does mer even have 'route'? the preferred tool is 'ip' nowadays | 04:51 |
chriadam | oh? ok :-/ I don't even know what `ip` is | 04:52 |
chriadam | lmgtfm | 04:52 |
chriadam | heh, how about that. | 04:52 |
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chriadam | hrm, /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward should probably be zero on device, too. | 04:54 |
gry | https://pastee.org/p9bhv ifconfig on laptop and phone | 04:55 |
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gry | just setting '/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward' to 0 on the device didn't help | 04:58 |
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dm8tbr | are you able to ping 192.168.1.2 from the phone? | 05:09 |
gry | yes | 05:10 |
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gry | it's sad that I don't _understand_ the current problem, so if it happens again, I'll have to waste your time again | 05:12 |
gry | (as I did around three months ago, too) | 05:12 |
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gry | replugged it, 8.8.8.8 pings okay, merproject.org is unknown host, what is the normal value for nameserver in resolv.conf? | 05:16 |
dm8tbr | well you can use 8.8.8.8 | 05:17 |
dm8tbr | does the job | 05:17 |
dm8tbr | or your router. which seems to be 192.168.1.1 | 05:18 |
gry | ok, the latter worked | 05:19 |
gry | it manages to work despite the paste https://pastee.org/63zfm about iptables on laptop, did it save at all? | 05:20 |
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gry | the phone also went back from both ip and hostname pings to 'destination host unreachable' for them both just after a couple minutes of being connected | 05:21 |
dm8tbr | POSTROUTING and FORWARD doesn't show up in -L | 05:21 |
gry | what does it show up in? | 05:23 |
chriadam | wait... do you have network manager enabled on your host? | 05:23 |
gry | yes | 05:24 |
chriadam | and you've done your very best to ensure that it doesn't try to configure the usb0 interface (it'll try to configure it as a wired interface)? | 05:25 |
chriadam | disabled it, burned nm in a fire, whispered voodoo curses at it, whatever is necessary | 05:25 |
gry | if I disable it I'll just go offline myself | 05:25 |
chriadam | (just opening the nm applet, selecting the wired connection associated with the usb0 device and setting to "disabled / disconnected" should suffice) | 05:26 |
chriadam | yeah, just disable the network manager handling of the usb networking interface | 05:26 |
gry | I unticked connect automatically | 05:26 |
chriadam | then use `sudo ifconfig usb0 up 192.168.2.14` to configure your usb0 interface manually. | 05:27 |
chriadam | actually, you'll need to drop it and then bring it up again | 05:27 |
chriadam | basically, nm is evil | 05:27 |
chriadam | in so many different ways | 05:27 |
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dm8tbr | I'm not sure if disabling automatic connect is enough. NM likes to do stuff™ to interfaces that it thinks it owns | 05:29 |
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gry | https://pastee.org/8mun8 what do I need to add to that /etc/network/interfaces block for it to do the same job as the eth0 connection network-manager creates? | 05:38 |
gry | . | 05:39 |
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chriadam | gry: I've got nothing in my interfaces file (other than `auto lo` and `iface lo inet loopback`) | 05:42 |
gry__ | how does it work then | 05:43 |
gry__ | i turn network-manager off and go offline. I don't *know* how to proceed. | 05:43 |
chriadam | if you have the usb net driver (cdc_ether) it'll bring up usb0 as an uninitialised iface | 05:44 |
gry__ | I would be happy to turn it off, if I can stay online after that. | 05:44 |
chriadam | leave network manager on, just disable its management of the usb0 interface | 05:44 |
chriadam | then use ifconfig to configure the usb0 interface directly | 05:44 |
gry__ | 15:15 < chriadam> if you have the usb net driver (cdc_ether) it'll bring up usb0 as an uninitialised iface | 05:44 |
gry__ | how do I do this? | 05:44 |
chriadam | dmesg | grep usb | 05:45 |
chriadam | then unplug, replug usb cable, dmesg again, see what you see | 05:45 |
gry | http://pastebin.ca/2384902 | 05:46 |
chriadam | great | 05:56 |
chriadam | so doing "ifconfig" raw should show an (unconfigured) usb0 interface? | 05:56 |
chriadam | then doing "sudo ifconfig usb0 up 192.168.2.14" should bring up your host as 192.168.2.14 | 05:56 |
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gry | currently ifconfig shows this https://pastee.org/f5f3e | 06:03 |
gry | I wouldn't say it's unconfigured | 06:03 |
chriadam | what gave it that ip address? | 06:05 |
gry | I didn't remove the interface and gave it that address before, so it's there | 06:06 |
gry | I also have it in /etc/network/interfaces with that name and that ip | 06:07 |
chriadam | well, tbh that should be ok, so long as nm isn't messing with it | 06:07 |
chriadam | ok, now tear down your iptables / postrouting, and then bring it up again | 06:07 |
chriadam | and then you should be good to go :-) | 06:07 |
gry | I don't know how to "tear down your iptables / postrouting"... iptables --flush and add the things in again? | 06:08 |
chriadam | iptables -D POSTROUTING -t nat -s 192.168.2.15/32 -j MASQUERADE is probably enough | 06:10 |
chriadam | then add it back with -A | 06:10 |
gry | I don't think I really changed anything since the last time I had the problem... I didn't set networkmanager to not touch usb0 or anything. it'd do the exact same thing this time, I think. | 06:11 |
chriadam | my advice, would be set managed=false to [usbNetwork] section of networkmanager.conf | 06:13 |
gry | An odd thing is that the wiki recommends using network-manager in the first place; that it doesn't work seems odd. anyone who reads that wiki page would be stuck similarly and have to guess what the problem is. | 06:17 |
gry | hm, I added that section but the issue persists. | 06:17 |
chriadam | wow. strange. so, you can ping from host to phone and vice versa, you have ip_forwarding set up in host, but you can't access any external ip? | 06:18 |
chriadam | you have your routes set up correct on phone | 06:18 |
chriadam | hrm. in that case, no idea, sorry. | 06:18 |
gry | '/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward' was 0 on phone, something reset it | 06:19 |
gry | I thought nothing would work at all with it being 0, but it works for first minute after plugging in the usb: that's strange | 06:20 |
gry | set it to 1, the issue persists. (I'm half confident that if I figured out how to connect to the internet using the interfaces file, I'd turn nm off and have everything sorted) | 06:28 |
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sledges | gry, still here? | 08:08 |
sledges | :) | 08:08 |
sledges | I had a good hours sleep and now finally at work lol | 08:08 |
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gry | yes | 08:12 |
sledges | ok, setting of /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward should be done only on host | 08:12 |
gry | I got things working except nm breaks them | 08:12 |
sledges | so host starts forwarding packets between internet and your phone | 08:12 |
sledges | right | 08:12 |
sledges | which ubuntu are you using? | 08:12 |
gry | to disable nm, I have to write a working /etc/network/interfaces bit to connect myself to the internet | 08:12 |
gry | 12.04 | 08:13 |
sledges | im sure there will be the way to bring nm under submission ™ dm8tbr :) | 08:14 |
sledges | ;) | 08:14 |
* sledges is firing up ubuntu 12.04 vm now | 08:15 | |
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sledges | if you go to ubuntu launch menu | 08:19 |
sledges | and type "network", choose Network Connections | 08:19 |
sledges | gry, ^ | 08:19 |
sledges | what do you see under the first, "Wired" tab? | 08:20 |
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gry | auto eth0 only | 08:21 |
sledges | click Add | 08:21 |
sledges | what is in the Dropdown of "Device MAC address" | 08:21 |
sledges | (im interested in device names between brackets) | 08:21 |
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gry | sledges: 00:01:10:22:03:30 (usb0) and 00:17:42:C1:88:16 (eth0) | 08:25 |
sledges | ok, choose usb0 | 08:26 |
sledges | go to IPc4 settings | 08:26 |
sledges | assign static ip (just like in the wiki) | 08:26 |
sledges | (Method: Manual, etc) | 08:26 |
sledges | *IPv4 | 08:26 |
sledges | when done, give this connection a nice name, and Save | 08:27 |
sledges | nm now should say that you are connected to that wired usb0 network | 08:27 |
sledges | doublecheck that you still have ip by executing `ifconfig usb0` | 08:27 |
sledges | if all goes well, it should not get reset | 08:27 |
sledges | and I hope it will persist between cable re-plugs | 08:28 |
sledges | chriadam, I am a hardcore fan of good old `route` too, same is the wiki :D | 08:32 |
chriadam | ;-) | 08:32 |
sledges | Arch Linux tried to introduce ip and remove route etc, after two weeks it was all restored again :D | 08:32 |
sledges | (or at least both solutions made to co-exist) | 08:33 |
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sledges | gry is still online, that's good -- NetworkManager did not go mad :) | 08:46 |
gry | I did all that but nm never told me it connected with that wired connection (tried restarting it, replugging usb) | 08:47 |
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sledges | it might not tell | 08:47 |
sledges | but most important is to run ifconfig usb0 | 08:47 |
sledges | to see if it got assigned a static ip address automatically | 08:47 |
gry | when I click its icon I get a 'device not managed' grey menu item instead of a working 'connect' menu item | 08:47 |
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gry | what do I do to the /etc/network/interfaces block named usb0? should I comment it? | 08:48 |
sledges | yes, you could surely try | 08:49 |
sledges | i assume ifconfig does not show correct address now either | 08:49 |
gry | it shows the correct one, I didn't reboot the host machine | 08:49 |
sledges | but you re-plugged the cable | 08:50 |
sledges | on every replug, you should reassign it manually, so I think nm is finally doing something positive | 08:50 |
sledges | I'd just reboot your host machine now | 08:50 |
sledges | as I believe /etc/network/interfaces is ignored when nm takes over | 08:51 |
chriadam | yup. having to reassign it manually is a _good thing_ :-) | 08:51 |
sledges | i mean, I think gry did not have to reassign it anymore | 08:51 |
sledges | as it still shows good ip | 08:51 |
sledges | after cable replugs | 08:51 |
chriadam | if he's got it listed in interfaces, then yeah it'll probably work that way, true | 08:52 |
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gry | I did ifdown usb0, commented the block in interfaces file, replugged usb. now there is no usb0 in ifconfig | 09:35 |
sledges | gry, ifconfig -a | 09:36 |
gry | it's there, but no ip assigned | 09:37 |
gry | https://pastee.org/epmtp | 09:37 |
sledges | ifdown shuts is | 09:37 |
sledges | shuts it | 09:37 |
sledges | do ifup usb0 | 09:37 |
sledges | (or ifconfig usb0 up ;) | 09:37 |
gry | wouldn't nm do that automatically? | 09:38 |
sledges | i think ifdown has greater power over nm | 09:38 |
sledges | :D | 09:38 |
sledges | the whole food chain here by the sounds of it! | 09:38 |
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gry | I did ifup usb0, replugged usb, it didn't appear in ifconfig (without -a), I manually brought it up and it has no ip assigned | 09:42 |
sledges | is it still in the "Network connections" ? | 09:42 |
Jonni | its much easier just to put usb0 magic in network/interfaces file and not to use network-manager :) | 09:43 |
gry | yes, it is still in the 'network connections' | 09:44 |
gry | 'last used: never' | 09:46 |
Jonni | gry: here is how my network interfaces file looks like: https://pastee.org/s33dv might be easier solution than fighting with network manager :) | 09:46 |
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sledges | Jonni, can you still use network manager for other interfaces? | 09:50 |
Jonni | sledges: yes, with that network manager still managers eth0 and wlan0 | 09:51 |
Jonni | that paste works for harmattan, nemo and sailfish devices atleast for me :) | 09:51 |
Jonni | much easier that nemos current usbnetworking wiki page :) | 09:52 |
sledges | which ubuntu are you using Jonni ? | 09:53 |
sledges | it worked for me on all >12.04 ubus | 09:53 |
sledges | sorry s/>/</ :) | 09:54 |
Jonni | I'm using 12.04, 12.10 and 13.04 | 09:54 |
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sledges | gry already had entries in network/interfaces with no luck (even managed=false to [usbNetwork] section of networkmanager.conf didn't help), hopefully omitted some of your flags | 09:54 |
sledges | and we're getting to the bottom of this | 09:55 |
sledges | what I mean, that I remember usb0 working OK whilst being managed by network manager in ubuntu 10.04 | 09:55 |
sledges | but things grew hairy since then apparently.. | 09:55 |
Jonni | you only need to add those and and restart network-manager, it automaticly ignores usb0 if it finds it on interface file | 09:56 |
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sledges | probably gry did not restart NetworkManager | 09:56 |
sledges | just replugged | 09:56 |
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gry | Jonni: thanks, I would be happy to turn nm off, but I didn't figure out how to connect to the internet without it. | 09:57 |
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Jonni | you can keep the network manager on with my paste, no problem | 09:57 |
sledges | gry, just restart it: `sudo killall NetworkManager` and your internet connection will come back up shortly | 09:57 |
sledges | (surely PC reboot would sort 100%) | 09:58 |
gry | Jonni: I could add this to the interfaces file and set usb managed to false for nm but it still does something to it (I connect phone to the laptop, things work for a minute and then stop; folks here told me it's nm that breaks it) | 09:58 |
Jonni | gry: you dont neet to set usb managed false, that might confuse the manager | 09:58 |
sledges | gry, have you restarted nm since adding bits to interfaces file ? | 09:59 |
Jonni | its enough just to paste those lines in interfaces file and then run "stop network-manager; start network-manager" | 09:59 |
Jonni | I always just copypaste those 9 lines without any other config changes, and it has worked in all ubuntu machines that I have tested it on. | 10:01 |
gry | the hotplug line probably is the difference | 10:01 |
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gry | ... | 10:01 |
gry | https://pastee.org/h5dn5 is what I have now after restarting network-manager | 10:03 |
sledges | \o/ | 10:04 |
gry | it's ok only for 30 seconds, right? | 10:05 |
gry | then it goes wrong after a short time after plugging in | 10:05 |
Jonni | remove/comment out no-auto-default line? | 10:05 |
Jonni | as thats not needed | 10:05 |
Jonni | https://pastee.org/rfkyw thats my manager conf | 10:06 |
gry | where? I don't see a thing like that in the paste | 10:06 |
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gry | trying that | 10:07 |
Jonni | and did you already run "stop network-manager; start network-manager;" | 10:08 |
gry | I do it as 'service network-manager restart' but yes, I did | 10:08 |
gry | again the same error after a delay | 10:09 |
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Jonni | raelly wierd, did you try with my networkmanager.conf? | 10:09 |
Jonni | what ubuntu version are you running btw? | 10:09 |
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xmlich02__ | hi, I am trying to port nemo to sitara am35x kit from TI. I have managed to boot into terminal. Graphical User Interface is not starting. I think, there is a problem with systemd. The display-manager.service is not starting properly. Complete log is here http://pastebin.com/5Ait1qNT Can anyone help? | 10:11 |
Jonni | and have you checked that you dont happen to have some old dhclient instances running for usb0? "ps aux|grep dhclient" | 10:11 |
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sledges | xmlich02__, try running Xorg first | 10:12 |
xmlich02__ | Xorg seems to be running. I have installed xorg-x11-fbdev driver before | 10:12 |
sledges | then try running DISPLAY=:0 qmlcalc | 10:13 |
xmlich02__ | qmlcalc has started | 10:13 |
sledges | job done | 10:13 |
sledges | :D | 10:13 |
sledges | the mcompositor is starting and failing i believe | 10:14 |
sledges | this is the normal nemo graphics startup | 10:14 |
gry | Jonni: 12.04 | 10:14 |
sledges | but mcompositor fails because it needs hw accelerated drivers | 10:14 |
xmlich02__ | it is not possible to run it with fbdev driver? | 10:14 |
gry | Jonni: my nm conf is identical to yours now | 10:15 |
sledges | you can see mcompositor failing if you write "journalctl" | 10:15 |
juiceme | Jonni, your iptables rule seems really short on compared what I use when NATting my N9: | 10:15 |
juiceme | iptables -A FORWARD -o eth0 -i usb0 -s 192.168.2.0/24 -m conntrack --ctstate NEW -j ACCEPT | 10:15 |
sledges | xmlich02__, TI's supplied /usr/lib/lib*GL* files should be in place | 10:15 |
juiceme | iptables -A FORWARD -m conntrack --ctstate ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT | 10:15 |
juiceme | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE | 10:15 |
juiceme | but I guess it's the end result that matters.. | 10:16 |
xmlich02__ | sledges, okay, I will check it, thanks | 10:16 |
gry | Jonni: "ps aux|grep dhclient" returns nothing other than the grep itself | 10:16 |
sledges | xmlich02__, you can try running lipstick without mcompositor depenency, just edit /usr/lib/systemd/user/lipstick.service and remove mcompositor dep | 10:16 |
sledges | (comment out) | 10:17 |
Jonni | gry: then i'm running out of ideas, other than rebootin the machine to see if network manager works better after reboot | 10:17 |
sledges | another thing to see what's going on: `killall NetworkManager; NetworkManager --no-daemon` | 10:18 |
sledges | gry, ^ | 10:18 |
sledges | after it in another window run (as non-root): `nm-applet` | 10:19 |
sledges | you will get log spat by nm when it decides to take over usb0 | 10:19 |
sledges | (if it will) | 10:19 |
Jonni | juiceme: yes I like it short and in my way it works both eth0 and wlan0 uplinks :) | 10:19 |
Jonni | didnt want to tie it down to eth0 | 10:19 |
juiceme | Jonni, yes, that's elegant. I need mine only on USB as with WLAN it already automatically gets the nexthop to my routing GW :) | 10:20 |
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gry | Jonni: https://pastee.org/9wskk | 10:25 |
gry | er, sledges even ^ | 10:26 |
xmlich02__ | sledges, it works https://twitter.com/xmlich02/status/340051961963499521 . I will try to fix the drivers issue and let you know. | 10:30 |
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sledges | \o/ xmlich02__ | 10:32 |
sledges | gry, what does nm say after a while ? (the moment you loose usb0 ip) | 10:34 |
gry | nothing | 10:34 |
gry | and I don't really lose the ip, laptop and phone have the ip fine, it's just that the phone stops being able to ping 8.8.8.8 | 10:35 |
sledges | ah | 10:35 |
sledges | that's different then | 10:35 |
sledges | you need to figure out which command looses its effect | 10:36 |
sledges | and re-run it | 10:36 |
sledges | never seen before such issue of yours | 10:36 |
gry | my head hurts, I already lost track of what I'm trying to do, apparently it's something with nm but it also involves not having commented the usb0 block in /etc/network/interfaces as I've not got it commented at the moment | 10:37 |
Jonni | gry: maybe your devices default route gets messed up, like in cases where is has 2 simultaneous default routes | 10:37 |
sledges | +1 | 10:37 |
sledges | i remember you had two default gateway routes gry | 10:38 |
Jonni | gry: I've only seen that in some cases when you have simultaneous wlan0 and usb0 outgoing from device, "route -n" on device will tell if thats the case | 10:38 |
sledges | should've been sorted | 10:38 |
gry | https://pastee.org/5xxry | 10:38 |
sledges | no default gateway now at all.. | 10:39 |
sledges | sudo /sbin/route add default gw 192.168.2.14 | 10:39 |
Jonni | 0.0.0.0 means default gw :*) | 10:39 |
gry | SIOCADDRT: File exists | 10:39 |
sledges | 05:51 < chriadam> then you need to /sbin/route del default gw XXX until there are none | 10:39 |
sledges | and repeat `sudo /sbin/route add default gw 192.168.2.14` | 10:39 |
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Jonni | that 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 line looks wierd, it should not be there :) | 10:40 |
gry | what do I write instead of XXX? | 10:40 |
sledges | default | 10:41 |
gry | route: default: cannot use a NETWORK as gateway! | 10:41 |
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sledges | 192.168.2.14 | 10:41 |
nsuffys | hi here ! :) | 10:41 |
Morpog_PC | hi :) | 10:42 |
sledges | and then also try just `/sbin/route del default gw` | 10:42 |
sledges | helloo! :) | 10:42 |
nsuffys | where can i found the "git" package for nemo ? | 10:42 |
gry | sledges: 'route del default gw 192.168.2.14' deleted only one of them, the other three are still there | 10:42 |
sledges | gry, ^ | 10:42 |
sledges | nsuffys, mer-tools | 10:43 |
nsuffys | thank you sledges :) | 10:43 |
sledges | anytime nsuffys :) | 10:43 |
gry | sledges: '/sbin/route del default gw' throws a usage page at me, it thinks the syntax is wrong | 10:43 |
sledges | hmm | 10:43 |
sledges | /sbin/route del default gw 0.0.0.0 | 10:43 |
sledges | /sbin/route del default gw * | 10:44 |
sledges | whichever works for you :) | 10:44 |
gry | the 0.0.0.0 one did nothing, the * one said hostname lookup failure | 10:45 |
sledges | /sbin/route del default | 10:45 |
sledges | last shot in the dark :) | 10:45 |
Stskeeps | g w00t | 10:45 |
gry | this one did nothing either | 10:45 |
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Jonni | heh, then its the usuall reboot the phone :) | 10:46 |
sledges | :D | 10:46 |
nsuffys | hmm :s sledges , how add the depot ? I use SSH with my N900 under Nemo | 10:46 |
sledges | nsuffys, unsure what you mean by depot | 10:47 |
nsuffys | oups (french) .. repository | 10:47 |
sledges | nsuffys, ssu ar mer-tools http://repo.merproject.org/obs/mer-tools:/stable/latest_armv7hl/ | 10:48 |
sledges | choose your flavour and arch btw | 10:48 |
nsuffys | thank you ! it works :) | 10:50 |
gry | https://pastee.org/z3j7f <-- normal route on the phone, and what it looks like after something broke it | 10:50 |
gry | (this is after rebooting it) | 10:50 |
sledges | great success :) | 10:50 |
sledges | how do you brake it gry ? | 10:51 |
gry | I don't know, I didn't edit the routing myself. | 10:51 |
sledges | i know, but what do you do between issuing those two `route` commands ? | 10:51 |
Jonni | maybe you have added some custom configs from nemo wiki? :) | 10:51 |
gry | sledges: nothing other than sit and watch it ping 8.8.8.8 | 10:52 |
Jonni | does dmesg give any hints? | 10:52 |
sledges | ok, so when it fails to ping, routes mess up | 10:52 |
sledges | i.e. routes mess up, it then fails to ping ;) | 10:52 |
sledges | out of the blue.. | 10:52 |
Jonni | well that 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 route is clearly the reason, you just have to figure out that causes it | 10:53 |
gry | either a) I installed some configs from wiki or b) some software like nm adds it | 10:53 |
Jonni | nm doesnt affect device side | 10:53 |
gry | I didn't install such configs recently, though; last time I recall touching these things was three months ago or so, and networking was ok after phone reboot back then | 10:54 |
gry | so I can pastebin files that you guess may be related but nothing more than that | 10:55 |
sledges | dodgy usb cable? | 10:55 |
gry | the same cable works with another nokia mobile | 10:55 |
sledges | /connector | 10:55 |
sledges | on your n900 | 10:55 |
sledges | known common issue though | 10:55 |
gry | it's new, I didn't use the connector more than around 30 times :\ | 10:56 |
sledges | it's easy to test | 10:56 |
sledges | reboot phone | 10:56 |
sledges | configure usb networking | 10:56 |
sledges | ping 8.8.8.8 | 10:56 |
sledges | fiddle the cable | 10:56 |
sledges | and see if there's a correlation | 10:56 |
lbt | does journalctl tell you anything | 10:57 |
lbt | or dmesg | 10:57 |
sledges | was about to suggest the same (Jonni did that 5min ago too :)) | 10:57 |
gry | I fiddle the cable and it keeps pinging 8.8.8.8 correctly... journalctl or dmesg where, on phone? | 10:57 |
sledges | yes | 10:57 |
lbt | yes | 10:57 |
lbt | actually I need to hack stuff ... I'll go away again :) | 10:58 |
gry | http://pastebin.ca/2385109 is dmesg and journalctl has no recent information | 11:01 |
sledges | ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): usb0: link is not ready | 11:02 |
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gry | yeah, it looks vaguely related | 11:03 |
sledges | it's not the moment when you re-pulled the cable? | 11:03 |
sledges | does this work on Nemo: `dmesg | tail -f` | 11:03 |
sledges | very useful if does | 11:03 |
sledges | (or `tail -f /var/log/messages` if same info is reflected) | 11:04 |
gry | piping it is smart, I was thinking that but didn't guess how | 11:04 |
gry | yes, that output is at the time I plug in the usb cable | 11:06 |
sledges | and when it stops pinging | 11:06 |
sledges | (you need a phone restart i presume) | 11:06 |
sledges | nothing spat? | 11:06 |
gry | there is no new dmesg output at the 30-something-seconds-later-when-it-stops-pinging though | 11:06 |
sledges | gry, is your wifi on on the phone? | 11:06 |
gry | (it doesn't need phone restart, I just replug usb, it pings fine, I wait for it to break, replug, and it pings fine again) | 11:07 |
gry | yes, phone has wifi support, I can connect to wireless properly and connection doesn't drop | 11:07 |
sledges | but it is not connected to any APs atm ? | 11:08 |
gry | ? | 11:08 |
sledges | the wifi | 11:09 |
gry | it's not connected to any other internet at the moment, no | 11:09 |
sledges | is it connected to somewhere now? | 11:09 |
gry | wifi is off on it now, I only turned it on to update the system through zypper yesterday | 11:09 |
sledges | so if we arrive at the state that we know for certain that when it stops pinging, neither your phone's dmesg, nor host machine dmesg and NetworkManager outputs do not indicate anything | 11:11 |
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sledges | then it's super weird | 11:12 |
Jonni | gry: what does your device /etc/usb-moded/usb-moded.ini look like? | 11:13 |
gry | Jonni: https://pastee.org/csztq | 11:13 |
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Jonni | it might alse be because of that host mac kludge, I've never used fake macs. so it might help if you remove g_ether line from /etc/modprobe.d/g_ether.conf | 11:25 |
Jonni | (on ubuntu side) | 11:25 |
Jonni | no need to use host_addr | 11:26 |
Jonni | thats the only thing that comes in mind that still can affect functionality | 11:27 |
gry | /etc/modprobe.d/g_ether.conf on phone side, not ubuntu, right? | 11:27 |
Jonni | ah yes device side | 11:27 |
gry | commented it, replugged usb, waiting | 11:28 |
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gry | again destination host unreachable, issue persists | 11:29 |
Jonni | heh, then I'm out of suggestions other than reflash the device :) | 11:30 |
Jonni | as clearly there is something wrong on device side | 11:30 |
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gry | what files/scripts does the device run when connecting via usb? and the same on host? | 11:44 |
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sledges | gry, do `ps ax | grep dh` on device | 11:53 |
sledges | because this is exactly the behaviour as if dhclient on n900 would be running on usb0 and give up and add those two bogus route paths | 11:54 |
sledges | hm | 11:54 |
sledges | nemo uses connman | 11:54 |
sledges | so no dhclient there | 11:54 |
sledges | how to prevent connman sniffing at usb0 ? | 11:54 |
sledges | Jonni, ^ | 11:54 |
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gry | ps ax | grep dh on device gives no output other than itself | 11:59 |
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sledges | yes gry , I overlooked that | 11:59 |
sledges | we are looking at connman now | 11:59 |
sledges | so there's still hope :) | 11:59 |
gry | https://pastee.org/znbrb | 12:00 |
sledges | yes, it is running | 12:00 |
sledges | question, how to tell connman to ignore usb0 | 12:00 |
gry | by shutting it off for a test? | 12:02 |
sledges | gry, cat /var/lib/connman/settings | 12:03 |
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gry | https://pastee.org/zhkus | 12:04 |
sledges | yes, you can shut it off as well (systemctl stop connmand ) | 12:04 |
gry | Failed to issue method call: Unit name connmand is not valid. | 12:05 |
sledges | sorry i forgot its name | 12:06 |
sledges | try connman | 12:06 |
gry | Failed to issue method call: Unit name connman is not valid. | 12:13 |
gry | systemctl stop c<tab>, it doesn't tab for me, no output | 12:14 |
gry | 'systemctl stop connman.service' froze, will probably work in a bit | 12:15 |
gry | yup | 12:15 |
gry | i found its full name in 'systemctl' output | 12:15 |
sledges | good stuff | 12:19 |
sledges | now onto using the good old fingerterm ;) | 12:19 |
gry | it looks like stopping connman on n950 fixed the problem. | 12:19 |
sledges | hang on a minute, you're using n950 ? | 12:19 |
gry | yes | 12:19 |
sledges | sorry got mislead 05:03 < gry> yes, I can ping host from phone now, but how do I name the thing as 'n900' in interfaces file again? the old name is more readable | 12:20 |
sledges | :) | 12:20 |
sledges | but it's no difference | 12:20 |
sledges | so it keeps pinging fine? | 12:20 |
sledges | right | 12:20 |
gry | those two phones connect to the internet through this linux laptop, so names are a bit off some places :) | 12:20 |
gry | yes, it keeps pinging fine | 12:21 |
xmlich02__ | sledges, I found, the sitara should use the same graphics driver like a beagle board. So i have added the repository http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/harbaum/Mer_Core_armv7l/ and http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/harbaum:/ti-omap3-gfx-sgx/Mer_Core_armv7l/. But I am not able to install xorg-x11-drv-omap package. It is srcpackage. I am zypper newbie, i do not know what to do | 12:21 |
gry | (I imagine I'll want to use connman for things like wifi though, so if we can probably set it to not conflict with usb0 is could be a nice plan) | 12:21 |
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sledges | gry, edit /var/lib/connman/settings file | 12:28 |
sledges | set wired to false | 12:28 |
sledges | and wifi to true | 12:28 |
sledges | and reboot the phone | 12:28 |
sledges | xmlich02__, are you running armv7hl nemo? | 12:29 |
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xmlich02__ | sledges, I am not sure how to determine this. The 'uname -a' says armv7l. I have used sysroot from http://releases.nemomobile.org/snapshots/images/0.20130411.1.NEMO.2013-04-26.1/nemo-armv7hl-sb2-target/nemo-armv7hl-sb2-target-0.20130411.1.NEMO.2013-04-26.1.tar.bz2 which should be armv7hl | 12:37 |
sledges | xmlich02__, you need to switch to armv7l | 12:38 |
sledges | as there are no hardfp (armv7hl) beagleboard drivers there | 12:38 |
sledges | also make a backup asap, as *.pub.meego.com is being dismantled as we speak | 12:39 |
Morpog_PC | shouldn't it be down already? | 12:39 |
sledges | it should :) | 12:40 |
sledges | they still see thousands of pageviews now probably :)) | 12:40 |
sledges | so hesitate, to let everyone backup | 12:40 |
Morpog_PC | good guys | 12:41 |
gry | sledges: nope, that — rebooting after editing connman settings — didn't work | 12:42 |
gry | (Destination Host Unreachable after a bit) | 12:42 |
martyone | Sage: in #mer we discussed (yesterday) fixing wiki where meego obs etc. is referred to, and a question arose: wouldn't it be an option to add "Nemo Adaptation VM Testable" (Inherit: Nemo Adaptation VM) to nemo-kickstarter-configs, i.e., to provide ready-to-use testable VM image on http://releases.nemomobile.org/snapshots/images/ ? Related to https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Quality/Tutorials/Testing_with_SDK_to_VM | 12:44 |
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sledges | xmlich02__, you can also grab the rpm and install it with `rpm -i` see what happens: http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/harbaum:/ti-omap3-gfx-sgx/Mer_Core_armv7l/armv7l/ti-omap3-gfx-4.03.00.02-sgx-4.03.00.02-16.3.Mer.armv7l.rpm | 12:48 |
fm_ | Hello people! Any one here known where I can get an VirtualBox image to test out the OS? | 12:49 |
sledges | also grab these files along (you will primarily need ones without *debuginfo and *debugsource in them): http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/harbaum/Mer_Core_armv7l/armv7l/ | 12:49 |
sledges | ok, xmlich02__ ignore the bit about `rpm -i`, you should still get copies of those files however, when you have armv7l nemo running | 12:50 |
sledges | fm_, http://releases.nemomobile.org/snapshots/images/0.20130411.1.NEMO.2013-04-26.1/nemo-i586-vm/ | 12:51 |
sledges | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing#VirtualBox has "images" link to the same server :) | 12:52 |
fm_ | sledges, thank you. It has a full OS? Since I installed the Sailfish SDK and there is only the bare minimum in there.... | 12:52 |
sledges | fm_, it is the full OS in its entirity :) | 12:53 |
sledges | xmlich02__, see our convo in #mer | 12:53 |
fm_ | Oh, good :-) It's about time to take all my Qt dev expertise and do something mobile with it :-) | 12:55 |
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sledges | sounds good fm_ :) | 12:55 |
sledges | gry, something else is in a way; i presume your nemo version is oldish ? | 12:56 |
gry | updated using zypper ref, zypper up, yesterday | 12:56 |
sledges | did you switch to ssu ? | 12:56 |
gry | I can give version info if you tell me how to retrieve it... not that I know of | 12:57 |
sledges | what does zypper lr -u say ? | 12:57 |
fm_ | sledges, any advice on simulating multi-touch on a PC? | 12:59 |
sledges | fm_, plug more mice | 12:59 |
sledges | no sorry no idea | 12:59 |
gry | https://pastee.org/q7amh | 13:00 |
fm_ | I have a touchpad and a normal mouse. The SailfishOS SDK seems to not react to this, since the system sees tham all as a single mouse. I recall there was some multi-input option for X, are you talking about that? | 13:00 |
sledges | gry, you have old hardware-related files | 13:02 |
sledges | and they are pointing to the srever which is soon to shutdown (repo.pub.meego.com) | 13:03 |
sledges | no worries, we will switch you in no time :) | 13:03 |
sledges | if you still have energy :) | 13:03 |
gry | how do I fix those? | 13:03 |
sledges | zypper install nemo-ssu-repos-rnd ssu-vendor-data-nemo ssu-tools ssu | 13:03 |
sledges | paste the output | 13:03 |
sledges | fm_, worth asking in #sailfishos , as testing multitouch on a vm is an interesting topic | 13:04 |
sledges | virtualbox won't let you do that :( https://www.virtualbox.org/pipermail/vbox-dev/2010-October/003306.html but maybe there are some Qt helpers to simulate inside the vm?.. | 13:05 |
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sledges | gry, would be smart to restore [Wired] Enable=true in /var/lib/connman/settings | 13:08 |
sledges | as it is working for me on N9 fine | 13:09 |
fm_ | sledges: nteresting indded. Nemo refuses to be installed inside the VM? :-( | 13:09 |
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sledges | no, it should not refuse (?) | 13:09 |
gry | what is the long name for 'ssu'? | 13:09 |
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Morpog_PC | seamless software update | 13:10 |
fm_ | It fails to create a btrfs subvolume | 13:10 |
sledges | seamless software update | 13:10 |
sledges | fm_, are you running the installer? | 13:10 |
fm_ | Yes, I'm following the instruction in the wiki you gave me. Running the installer-shall. And I get the error: "ERROR: /tmp/sysimage/di is not a subvolume". And the install log said it could not create it | 13:11 |
gry | does https://pastee.org/cbpj2 look correct? | 13:11 |
sledges | you surely created a new vm with a virtual disk (min 3GB ?) | 13:12 |
sledges | gry, yes go for it | 13:12 |
fm_ | sledes, yes, the installer finds it and creates partitions on it | 13:12 |
fm_ | 4GB, as the wiki suggests. | 13:12 |
fm_ | But it failes to mount them | 13:13 |
sledges | please try older version :) | 13:13 |
sledges | ones from march should do | 13:13 |
gry | https://pastee.org/7sdy6 | 13:13 |
sledges | gry, ensure you can ping google.com | 13:14 |
sledges | (connect via wifi) | 13:14 |
gry | oops, forgot to stop connman.service, will retry | 13:14 |
sledges | right :) | 13:14 |
gry | https://pastee.org/duwfh do I do zypper ref, zypper up, now? | 13:18 |
sledges | yes | 13:19 |
sledges | :) | 13:19 |
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gry | https://pastee.org/jekn9 <-- I wouldn't care much of the details but I see it says it won't upgrade perl in the first line, is that normal? | 13:23 |
sledges | fm_, all worked for me | 13:23 |
sledges | just installed a vm | 13:24 |
sledges | fm_, does your computer CPU support ssse3 ? | 13:24 |
sledges | see the wiki and follow every step | 13:24 |
sledges | also System->Processor->Extended Features: Check 'Enable PAE/NX' is important | 13:25 |
sledges | gry, say no for now | 13:25 |
gry | ok | 13:25 |
sledges | we'll inject hardware adaptation updates as well | 13:25 |
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fm_ | Did all that. | 13:25 |
sledges | zypper install nemo-ssu-repos-adaptation-common-rnd nemo-ssu-repos-adaptation-rnd | 13:25 |
fm_ | I just found what the problem is | 13:25 |
fm_ | In the install script, the mount command sais "mount $ROOTDEV $ROOTDIR -o ...". It should be "mount -o ... $ROOTDEV $ROOTDIR" | 13:26 |
sledges | fm_, location of -o is irrelevant | 13:26 |
fm_ | It is. The mount command gives an error. I just finished the installation | 13:26 |
fm_ | After changing it in the install script. | 13:26 |
sledges | as i said, i just ran installer-shell successfully without any modifications :) | 13:26 |
fm_ | So it kinda is relevant :-) | 13:27 |
fm_ | Ok, here's the complete info, see for yourself: | 13:27 |
sledges | might be discrepancies with your virtualbox version | 13:27 |
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sledges | or just a phantom that lands on your PC once every blue moon :) no worries | 13:28 |
fm_ | When I ran the script the mount command threw it "usage information" in the install log. The help page clearely states that the "-o" option should come before the device/dir. | 13:28 |
fm_ | btw, why does the terminal behaves strangely? It inserts bogous characters when I type faster. | 13:28 |
sledges | i used this image: 0.20130411.1.NEMO.2013-04-26.1/nemo-i586-vm/nemo-i586-vm.iso | 13:29 |
sledges | my virtualbox is v4.2.12 | 13:29 |
fm_ | Same image i used. VB is 2.4.6/Windows | 13:29 |
sledges | /ArchLinux here | 13:30 |
fm_ | As far as I know the vritualbox difference should not do those kind of error. | 13:30 |
gry | https://pastee.org/u8dws | 13:30 |
fm_ | Anyhow, how to I reboot the Nemo??? | 13:30 |
Morpog_PC | swipe down on homescreen | 13:31 |
Morpog_PC | or reboot in terminal? | 13:31 |
gry | type 'reboot' in terminal, or slide at the screen top (from top to bottom) to see an applet with a shutdown button on it | 13:31 |
sledges | fm_, remove virtual nemo image disk from the vb settings first | 13:32 |
sledges | gry, good to go! | 13:32 |
sledges | looks lush :) | 13:32 |
gry | on it, why doesn't it upgrade perl though, I'm just curious :) | 13:33 |
sledges | gry, good question, also qmlcalc etc | 13:34 |
sledges | maybe they were tinkered with, or added to ignore list | 13:34 |
fm_ | Don't have anough screen to swipe-down :-( just typed in the terminal. Thanks. | 13:35 |
sledges | gry, is it still downloading? | 13:37 |
gry | yes | 13:37 |
sledges | I forgot a cleanup step, better to interrupt now | 13:37 |
gry | no | 13:38 |
gry | already installing | 13:38 |
sledges | ok, let's push it through | 13:38 |
sledges | but when we do it later, perl & Co should also get updated | 13:38 |
gry | I assume we can do something to update them now after this batch as well? | 13:42 |
sledges | this | 13:42 |
sledges | yes | 13:43 |
sledges | *khm* | 13:43 |
gry | it finished installing, will reboot since it complains about running programs | 13:43 |
sledges | not necessarily | 13:43 |
sledges | it always complains :) | 13:44 |
sledges | /usr/sbin/ssu-repos.sh clean | 13:44 |
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gry | did this clean thing, and now do I do ref & up again? | 13:46 |
sledges | first let's do `ssu lr` | 13:46 |
fm_ | Ummm... it does not boot from the HD after installation .... | 13:46 |
sledges | fm_, you are right, let me try latest i486 version quickly | 13:47 |
sledges | i tried with march version i586, also does not boot for me too after installation | 13:47 |
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gry | https://pastee.org/4jkbp ? | 13:48 |
fm_ | I'm installing the version from March as you said.. let's see how this goes... | 13:48 |
sledges | gry, `ssu lr` | 13:48 |
sledges | fm_, ^ | 13:48 |
fm_ | Oh, just saw you said it does not boots. | 13:48 |
sledges | it's been a while i tried a vm version apparently ;) | 13:49 |
gry | sledges: https://pastee.org/4uy4n | 13:49 |
sledges | gry, great | 13:49 |
sledges | :) | 13:49 |
sledges | `ssu ur` | 13:49 |
gry | did that, no output, doing zypper ref now | 13:49 |
sledges | gry, which flavour do you want to have your nemo in? | 13:49 |
sledges | devel, testing or stable ? | 13:49 |
gry | no idea... which flavours are there? | 13:49 |
gry | ah | 13:49 |
gry | which one is more bleeding edge, devel or testing? | 13:50 |
sledges | devel | 13:50 |
sledges | :D | 13:50 |
sledges | cuts deep :) | 13:50 |
sledges | more updates every day :) | 13:50 |
sledges | so if you go for the latest and greatest, then: | 13:51 |
sledges | ssu re -r latest | 13:51 |
sledges | ssu fl devel | 13:51 |
sledges | ssu ur | 13:51 |
sledges | zypper ref | 13:51 |
sledges | zypper dup | 13:51 |
sledges | done :) | 13:51 |
gry | on it :) | 13:52 |
sledges | fm_, this works like charm after installation: http://releases.nemomobile.org/snapshots/images/0.20130411.1.NEMO.2013-04-26.1/nemo-i486-vm/nemo-i486-vm.iso | 13:53 |
sledges | i586 is still poorly that means | 13:53 |
fm_ | Yes, I'm downloading the i486 version right now... | 13:54 |
sledges | ok, that latest one worked | 13:54 |
fm_ | While it installs.... I want to have the sailfish ui. Can I install it instead of the one Nemo uses, or I'm confusing something? | 13:56 |
sledges | fm_, you are confusing something.. | 13:56 |
sledges | UIs are not interchangeable across different distributions | 13:57 |
fm_ | OK, installation went ok this time :-) So what am I confusing? I tried to read all the explanation, but no one sais, in simple words, how they are connected | 13:57 |
sledges | well, there is no source code for sailfish UI | 13:57 |
sledges | both Nemo and | 13:58 |
sledges | Sailfish OS are mobile linux distributions | 13:58 |
sledges | they are using the same core (Mer Project) | 13:58 |
sledges | and the same Middle-Ware (mw) | 13:58 |
sledges | but nemo has its own UI built on top | 13:59 |
sledges | and its own Nemo apps | 13:59 |
fm_ | Oh. Got it. So I, basically, installed the wrong thing :-) | 13:59 |
sledges | it's a full OS, because you can make calls with it | 13:59 |
sledges | etc | 13:59 |
sledges | write texts etc | 13:59 |
sledges | if nemo is put on a supported phone | 13:59 |
sledges | Sailfish is available only as it is | 13:59 |
fm_ | So, basically, there are no complete sailfish distribution? | 14:00 |
fm_ | So what are the guys from Jolla showing around to people? | 14:00 |
sledges | you called it "bare minimum" | 14:00 |
sledges | Nemo and Sailfish OS use their own different Qt Components | 14:00 |
sledges | that's why the look and feel is different, and how apps interact, too | 14:00 |
special | fm_: there are no public images for sailfish yet, other than the minimal x86 version in the sailfish SDK's emulator | 14:01 |
sledges | you can write apps to nemo, or take existing nemo apps and port them to sailfish | 14:01 |
sledges | there is no full distro available publicly | 14:01 |
sledges | they have their full distro internally | 14:01 |
sledges | jolla will make it available when times comes, in the meantime i just play with nemo if need something more "complete", as there will be not so many differences to port apps around | 14:03 |
special | nemo is a good target if you want to explore the platform and middleware | 14:03 |
special | the sailfish SDK is a good target if you want to develop your own UI using those components | 14:03 |
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fm_ | OK, this explaines why half an hour google search did not got me anywhere :-) | 14:05 |
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sledges | +1 goes to special :) | 14:06 |
fm_ | So, basically, what you're saying is that an applicaton developed on Nemo(Mer, basically) will run on Sailfish. Except the GUI part. Yes? | 14:06 |
fm_ | And, indeed, +1 to special :-) | 14:07 |
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special | fm_: yes. | 14:07 |
fm_ | Uhm. But the whole point is the GUI part. The logic I can develop in C++/Qt on any platform I want to. So why do it on Nemo(except the part where it actually works on H/W)? | 14:08 |
sledges | you wanted something "complete", nemo is "complete", but it's UI is different from SailfishSDK | 14:08 |
special | well, there's more to the middleware than C++ and Qt | 14:08 |
special | nemo gives you a target that exists and that you can use now, and it's a cool opensource project in its own right. | 14:09 |
gry | ok, it finished installing, will reboot and check whether connman behaves better on this one | 14:09 |
sledges | gry, good stuff! | 14:09 |
gry | blah, network is unreachable for 8.8.8.8, computer and device ping eachother though (i sshed in) | 14:10 |
gry | no delay, just this error at the start | 14:10 |
sledges | is your host still forwarding packets? | 14:10 |
sledges | cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward | 14:10 |
sledges | soz gry, you need to type route ;) | 14:11 |
sledges | first | 14:11 |
sledges | on device ofc | 14:11 |
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gry__ | https://pastee.org/xspzf | 14:13 |
sledges | gry, great | 14:14 |
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sledges | sudo /sbin/route add default gw 192.168.2.14 | 14:14 |
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fm_ | The point is I don't want to hack for the middleare(for now :-) ). I sometimes do microcontroller developement, so when I want to go to a low level, I go to the hardware level :-) Anyhow, is there a simple application SDK for Nemo, like the one that there currently is for Sailfish? | 14:15 |
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sledges | fm_, there is, but it's not as straightforward as sailfish sdk | 14:15 |
sledges | there are plans to integrate nemo target onto sailfish sdk though | 14:15 |
special | currently you have to choose between the somewhat-unfriendly mer SDK with a nemo target, which will build for real devices | 14:16 |
special | or the emulator-only but convenient sailfish SDK | 14:16 |
fm_ | From what I see Nemo can be used as a Harmattan target in normal Qt...? | 14:17 |
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special | not that I know of | 14:18 |
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fm_ | special, isn't it sais so right here? https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/GettingStartedUsingQtSDK | 14:19 |
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fm_ | In the first paragraph. | 14:19 |
faenil | o/ hi people | 14:19 |
sledges | o7 faenil :) | 14:19 |
fk_lx | o/ faenil | 14:19 |
gry__ | it works now.. I'm not sure how to have gateway added automatically | 14:19 |
fm_ | And, anyhow, since the only device I current own is a Nokia E72 I guess I'll stick with the virtualazied SailfishSDK | 14:20 |
gry__ | (replugged usb, and I had to add it again) | 14:20 |
special | fm_: that's a very old page. It may have been true at the time, but nemo has diverged a lot from harmattan in the past two years. | 14:20 |
gry__ | starting connman in this version also causes the same problem: destination host unreachable after a delay | 14:20 |
sledges | gry__, shiver me timbers! | 14:21 |
special | lbt: we might want to delete https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/GettingStartedUsingQtSDK ? | 14:21 |
sledges | so we did not win anything bu doing this all upgrade? :) | 14:21 |
lbt | special: sure | 14:21 |
fm_ | Ok, so where is a recend explanation? | 14:22 |
special | I don't believe I have the powers to do so | 14:22 |
fm_ | *recent* | 14:22 |
sledges | gry__, there's no way to automate route add (see line about echo "route add default gw 192.168.2.14" in https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/USBNetworking ) | 14:22 |
sledges | * no documented way | 14:22 |
lbt | gone | 14:22 |
special | thanks | 14:22 |
sledges | fm_, this could do: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK_on_VirtualBox | 14:22 |
gry__ | sledges: can i use /etc/usb-moded/usb-moded.ini to add default gateway or is it for something else (wiki mentions it at that page too)? | 14:24 |
sledges | gry__, true, forgot about that | 14:24 |
fm_ | Why must the dev station be linux based? Because the Mer vesion of QtCreator won't compile on Windows? | 14:25 |
sledges | gry__, you can try, so you will continue killing connman and living like this? :) | 14:25 |
sledges | gry__, i suggest you backup you current Alt_OS and re-exctract latest image instead | 14:27 |
gry | perhaps | 14:27 |
gry | sleep for now; thanks for your generous help :) | 14:28 |
sledges | i hope you say perhaps for both of my sentences ;P | 14:28 |
sledges | no problem, pleasure to help, I liked your bleeding-edge and no-reboot ftw attitude :) | 14:28 |
sledges | done linuxy way :) | 14:28 |
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fm_ | Anyhow, the Qt programs for Nemo are developed using QML or the regular way? | 14:30 |
gry | yeah, yes to both, definitely no way to handle this with connman, and looking at latest images could be a fairly good idea | 14:30 |
special | fm_: nemo uses QML, and qt-components (i.e. the same ones Harmattan used) | 14:30 |
sledges | gry, since so many things've changed, so | 14:31 |
faenil | special, one day QtQuickControls? :D | 14:31 |
gry | roughly how would you describe difference between latest images and what i have just for me to get a bit more understanding? | 14:33 |
fm_ | As much as QtQuick is all cool and stuff, I wish someone would think about the children.. err... power consumption... | 14:33 |
sledges | gry: | 14:34 |
sledges | `meld /media/Alt_OS /your-extracted-image-path` | 14:35 |
sledges | :) | 14:35 |
sledges | also for better measure: | 14:35 |
sledges | backup Alt_OS | 14:35 |
sledges | wipe Alt_OS | 14:35 |
sledges | flash latest image | 14:35 |
sledges | boot device | 14:35 |
sledges | zypper ref & dup | 14:35 |
sledges | poweroff device | 14:35 |
sledges | meld /media/Alt_OS /your-old-alt-os-backup/ | 14:36 |
sledges | :) | 14:36 |
sledges | you will see loads of rubbish around, config files conflicting, settings, caches whatnot | 14:36 |
gry | *nod* i've got around 3 questions but it's past midnight, will read more in the morning and then do something :) | 14:36 |
sledges | to remember the crucial: Nemo is strictly WIP ;) | 14:36 |
gry | wip? | 14:37 |
sledges | work in progress | 14:37 |
sledges | so reflashing is most times the solution rather than digging older graves | 14:37 |
sledges | for now ;) | 14:37 |
sledges | but i liked your attitude that you wanted to get to the bottom of this | 14:37 |
gry | heh yeah if issue is absent in latest image odds are nobody cares? | 14:37 |
sledges | +1 | 14:37 |
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sledges | ..and to automate as much as possible | 14:40 |
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fm_ | Anyhow, thank you for your help and explanation guys! | 14:46 |
sledges | fm_, cheers mate :) | 14:46 |
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fm_ | Weekend, time to go home to rest :-) | 14:46 |
sledges | still a friday to go :P | 14:46 |
fm_ | Hang on. | 14:48 |
fm_ | Cheers. | 14:48 |
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xmlich02__ | sledges, i have created a new image with armv7l. The packages for beagle board are not binary compatible. Probably, I have to rebuild it against current version. The error message of Xorg is Loading extension GLX | 15:54 |
xmlich02__ | (EE) module ABI major version (10) doesn't match the server's version (13) | 15:54 |
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sledges | xmlich02__, do you have a mer account ? | 16:13 |
xmlich02__ | nope | 16:13 |
xmlich02__ | ehm, not yet | 16:13 |
sledges | ok, I will make a backup of beagleboard repo from COBS for you now | 16:14 |
sledges | it will reside under build.merproject.org soon | 16:14 |
sledges | you can branch from there once you get mer account sorted | 16:14 |
sledges | because COBS is going down any minute ;) | 16:14 |
xmlich02__ | i have an account now | 16:17 |
sledges | do you have COBS account ? | 16:17 |
xmlich02__ | https://build.merproject.org/project/show?project=home%3Axmlich02 | 16:18 |
sledges | xmlich02__, do you have a username and password on build.pub.meego.com too ? | 16:19 |
xmlich02__ | no | 16:19 |
sledges | ok no problem | 16:20 |
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sledges | xmlich02__, please show me your .ks file | 16:33 |
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sledges | that you used to build armv7l nemo | 16:33 |
xmlich02__ | sledges, i have used this one http://pcmlich.fit.vutbr.cz/tmp/mer/mer-nemo.ks I tried to add repository and driver manually | 16:35 |
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xmlich02__ | according to manual i need one of ti-omap3-gfx-4.08.* | 16:38 |
sledges | ok xmlich02__ backup is finished | 16:42 |
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sledges | go here with your mer account logged in | 16:43 |
sledges | https://build.merproject.org/project/packages?project=home%3Asledge%3Abeagle | 16:43 |
sledges | this contains latest worked repo on beagle | 16:43 |
sledges | not from harbaum as you found initially | 16:43 |
sledges | but from bfederau | 16:43 |
sledges | it's wholly complete | 16:43 |
sledges | but I see a problem - it has Xorg driver ports up to 12 ABI | 16:44 |
sledges | you need now 13 ABI | 16:44 |
sledges | (means porting beagleboard driver forward to 13 Xorg ABI, or just finding the driver source online and updating packaging) or consult #mer how to user older Xorg | 16:44 |
sledges | your next steps are: go to relevant packages (start from kernel/uboot whatever you see necessary) | 16:44 |
sledges | and branch them into your home directory | 16:45 |
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sledges | (you don't need to branch all packages, as you don't need kernel-xM and others for now) | 16:45 |
sledges | branch, compile, and add your repo to your running nemo (via ssu ALIAS REPO_URI) | 16:46 |
sledges | `ssu ar ALIAS REPO_URI` | 16:46 |
sledges | bit by bit, component by component :) | 16:46 |
sledges | first challenge - find latest beagleboard xorg drivers for Xorg 13 ABI | 16:46 |
sledges | but as I see now, you can ignore xorg-x11-server-12-compat and xorg-x11-server-10-compat packages | 16:47 |
sledges | and just try to compile the rest xorg-x11- packages | 16:47 |
sledges | against latest mer | 16:47 |
sledges | (I already setup repository to compile against there, you just need to branch the package, and it will start compiling automagically :)) | 16:48 |
sledges | good luck! we just saved beagle repo from dying with old meego.com :) thanks! | 16:48 |
sledges | so ignore this bit for now and carry on: 17:46 < sledges> first challenge - find latest beagleboard xorg drivers for Xorg 13 ABI | 16:49 |
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sledges | qt* packages there are all qt5, you shouldn't need them for nemo, for now ;) | 16:53 |
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sledges | I'll be back, later :) | 17:05 |
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cos- | i just tested installing latest image for i586 on exopc. installer complains "ERROR '/tmp/sysimage/di' is not a subvolume | 20:16 |
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* w00t looks forward to xorg going away... | 21:01 | |
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sledges | +1 | 23:08 |
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