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| rcg | morning | 08:26 |
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| rcg | any idea what could be causing this: http://pastebin.com/1T9dJ9eS | 08:26 |
| rcg | when trying to create a rootfs tarball for plasma active | 08:27 |
| rcg | ? | 08:27 |
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| rcg | i thought we should use --pkgmgr=zypp? | 08:36 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: expect prerelease tonight | 08:36 |
| lbt | morning - sure | 08:36 |
| rcg | well, nvm, removing --pkgmgr=zypp from the command line does the trick | 08:41 |
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| lbt | rcg: that sounds like a bad idea in general | 08:42 |
| rcg | lbt, leaving that option away? | 08:43 |
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| lbt | yes - you should use the zypp pkgmgr | 08:43 |
| lbt | how old is your sdk ? | 08:43 |
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| rcg | lbt, hmm, ic, with it it fails as linked above | 08:43 |
| lbt | rpm -q mic | 08:44 |
| rcg | aha, i think i found one issue... sudo sdk-version --latest --go has some work to do | 08:45 |
| rcg | nope, it still fails | 08:46 |
| rcg | rpm -q mic says mic-0.14-mer5.4.2.noarch | 08:46 |
| rcg | lbt, ^ | 08:47 |
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| lbt | rcg: certainly worth trying mic from the latest mer-tools repo before going too far in | 09:03 |
| lbt | rpm -U http://repo.merproject.org/obs/mer-tools:/devel/latest_i486/noarch/mic-0.14-7.2.1.noarch.rpm | 09:04 |
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| rcg | lbt, nope, same problem | 09:06 |
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| lbt | where is the ks and the commandline you use | 09:07 |
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| rcg | sudo mic create fs plasma-active-latest-ks/plasma-active-armv7hl-archos-gen9-pvr.ks --pack-to=plasma-active-armv7hl-2013-06-27.tar.gz --pkgmgr=zypp --arch=armv7hl --logfile=plasma-active-build.log | 09:08 |
| rcg | and the .ks http://pastebin.com/Bg9Nwvaa | 09:09 |
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| Superpelican | N900 keeps being awesome; copying pictures from N900 to my computer using scp -r :D | 09:22 |
| Superpelican | Guess where I just took pictures of ;) | 09:23 |
| Superpelican | http://ubuntuone.com/5MtHIrgj8q1fQjxNJvoIul && http://ubuntuone.com/4yZ1k5XFFqryaqiT6cTPIr | 09:26 |
| Superpelican | :) | 09:26 |
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| Superpelican | https://build.merproject.org/project/show?project=home%3ASuperpelican%3Akernel-adaptation-pov_protab2_xxl | 09:57 |
| Superpelican | update, new project: https://build.merproject.org/project/show?project=home%3ASuperpelican%3Ahw-adaptation-pov_protab2_xxl | 10:00 |
| sledges | Superpelican, marvellous stuff! \o/ | 10:02 |
| Superpelican | It's now really anything yet | 10:03 |
| Superpelican | But I got the kernel booting yesterday | 10:03 |
| Superpelican | with sun4i rootfs | 10:03 |
| Superpelican | So got a shell :) | 10:03 |
| sledges | and you call that not really anything? :)) | 10:03 |
| Superpelican | Well | 10:04 |
| Superpelican | most of the work has been done by other people | 10:04 |
| Superpelican | and that work is the most difficult part ;) | 10:04 |
| sledges | meh :) | 10:04 |
| sledges | but have you seen their pictures? ;P | 10:05 |
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| * sledges is now really regretting of not having bought Tunex A761C for €65... | 10:05 | |
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| sledges | your fault Superpelican :D | 10:06 |
| Superpelican | Maybe you can buy a PoV Protab 2 XXL for 120 euro ;) | 10:07 |
| sledges | Superpelican, could you tweet about it? I'll retweet it from Nemo account | 10:07 |
| Superpelican | don't have twitter | 10:07 |
| Superpelican | do have identi.ca/Superpelican | 10:07 |
| sledges | that's twice as expensive! :) and I really like detachable keyboard of that Tunex.... | 10:07 |
| Superpelican | you mean this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-Keyboard-PU-Leather-Carry-Case-Stand-for-Point-of-View-9-7-PROTAB2-Tablet/110919643669?_trksid=p2045573.m2042&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D27%26meid%3D8669900107009481669%26pid%3D100033%26prg%3D1011%26rk%3D1%26sd%3D110919643669%26 | 10:08 |
| Superpelican | I've got one for the protab 2 xxl ;) | 10:08 |
| sledges | :D lol look at the price | 10:09 |
| Superpelican | Yeah, where did you see the Tunex? | 10:09 |
| sledges | something in the back of my mind still told me I can find cheaper (shop shelf said: €65, was €120 ;D) | 10:09 |
| sledges | back home, in Lithuania | 10:09 |
| Superpelican | ok | 10:10 |
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| Superpelican | I'm in NL | 10:10 |
| sledges | im in UK, visited home early June, just did food shopping really when I found it :D | 10:10 |
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| Superpelican | ah near Scandinavia | 10:11 |
| sledges | http://www.alio.lt/kitas-tunex-a761c-15-ghz/ID41611582.html | 10:11 |
| sledges | yes, you can say so :) Near the most polluted European sea unfortunately :D | 10:11 |
| Superpelican | :( didn't know that | 10:12 |
| Superpelican | 7 inch | 10:12 |
| Superpelican | PoV is 10 inch | 10:12 |
| Superpelican | althought that's a matter of taste | 10:12 |
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| sledges | you read mind about my next question | 10:12 |
| sledges | "right, so how come the PROTAB2-Tablet costs ~20 EUR and your one 120?" ? | 10:13 |
| sledges | lol, your link is just an addendum | 10:13 |
| sledges | :) | 10:13 |
| * sledges wipes his eyes | 10:13 | |
| Superpelican | lol, website: "Ekrano įstrižainė:10.1" (~26 cm) " | 10:13 |
| Superpelican | 10.1 inch | 10:13 |
| sledges | heh :) | 10:14 |
| Superpelican | picture of box says 7 inch :P | 10:14 |
| sledges | lol | 10:14 |
| sledges | in Eastern Europe, computer inches you :)) | 10:15 |
| sledges | i was looking for a traveller's replacement for my Asus EeePc (8.9") | 10:16 |
| sledges | just cracked the screen recently (and ArchBang reboot when heats up :( | 10:16 |
| sledges | but couldn't stand the idea that i might -not- be able to put Mer/Nemo/PA on it | 10:16 |
| sledges | so didn't buy that Tunex | 10:16 |
| Superpelican | I've got an Eee PC 900 too | 10:16 |
| Superpelican | and yes they get really hot | 10:17 |
| sledges | now you proved me wrong :) | 10:17 |
| Superpelican | well | 10:17 |
| SKonstantin_N9 | sledges, grab a intel intel combo ? | 10:17 |
| Superpelican | you still need some information from the tablet | 10:17 |
| Superpelican | So I'm lucky | 10:17 |
| SKonstantin_N9 | not the newer ones but up to 2nd gen core i it is ok | 10:17 |
| sledges | SKonstantin_N9, the "intel intel" bit tells me you are typing from harmattan (backs up your nickname :)) | 10:17 |
| SKonstantin_N9 | thinkpad x201 for ex | 10:17 |
| Superpelican | yeah, better avoid the N2600 and N2800 | 10:17 |
| Superpelican | poulsbo mess | 10:18 |
| sledges | true Superpelican , that tunex is A10 SoC, but might be locked down; goot do know your protab isn't | 10:18 |
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| Superpelican | well you need to obtain the script.bin from the tablet | 10:19 |
| sledges | right | 10:19 |
| sledges | "script.bin" roflol | 10:19 |
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| sledges | binary.sh | 10:19 |
| Superpelican | and someone on #linux-sunxi said that script.bin's by default miss dram info | 10:19 |
| Superpelican | which you need to add manually | 10:20 |
| sledges | interesting | 10:20 |
| Superpelican | I was lucky that I found out that my Cherry M1007 is the same as the Protab 2 XXL | 10:20 |
| Superpelican | and there was a linux-sunxi wiki page of the protab 2 | 10:20 |
| sledges | and they support SDcard booting(!) | 10:20 |
| sledges | otherwise you're in jail most probably :) | 10:20 |
| Superpelican | http://linux-sunxi.org/Point_Of_View_ProTab2_XXL | 10:21 |
| Superpelican | and that page had the missing dram info | 10:21 |
| sledges | nice | 10:21 |
| Superpelican | although I was able to boot tinycore linux image without editing my script.bin | 10:21 |
| Superpelican | so I doubt I really needed to add that info | 10:21 |
| Superpelican | all A10 devices support booting from SD card | 10:22 |
| sledges | so what is the aim of your effort Superpelican ? | 10:22 |
| Superpelican | they automatically boot from SD first when inserted | 10:22 |
| sledges | bril! | 10:22 |
| Superpelican | http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/a10_boot_process/ | 10:22 |
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| Superpelican | I thought I read it there | 10:22 |
| Superpelican | not sure though | 10:22 |
| Superpelican | My aim is to get Nemo Mobile working on the tablet | 10:23 |
| Superpelican | as a replacement for Android | 10:23 |
| sledges | that sounds cushty | 10:23 |
| Superpelican | and the fact that my N900 has hw problems with the magnet sensor etc. motivated me even more | 10:23 |
| Superpelican | to get Nemo Mobile ported | 10:23 |
| Superpelican | As it then will be the only touch screen device I can run Nemo on :( | 10:24 |
| Superpelican | of course not | 10:24 |
| Superpelican | pictures are in public domain ;) | 10:24 |
| sledges | Superpelican, is it Linux kernel you're running already? has Mer CONFIG_s ? still has Android patches? | 10:32 |
| Superpelican | Stskeeps:Linux kernel | 10:32 |
| Superpelican | Stskeeps:cloned from github.com/linux-sunxi branch: sunxi-3.0 | 10:33 |
| Superpelican | it has mer configs | 10:33 |
| Superpelican | aside from a few optional things | 10:33 |
| sledges | done https://twitter.com/NemoMobile/status/350201357304754176 | 10:38 |
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| Superpelican | I've already seen :) | 10:44 |
| sledges | thanks and good work :) | 10:44 |
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| Superpelican | sledges:I forgot to mention that I'm also working on a page where I will document the progress of porting to the tablet: http://superpelicanblog.wordpress.com/porting-mer-corenemo-mobile-to-the-cherry-m1007/ | 10:52 |
| Superpelican | page is work in progress of course ;) | 10:52 |
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| sledges | and is all in the backlog of this channel for extra curious ;) so feel free to have your verbal diarrhea at will :D | 10:53 |
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| sledges | lbt, Stskeeps, wondering if one can use physical hardware as Mer SDK target? yet using the power of host to cross-compile getting qemu out of the way (so e.g. a thumb build for n900 could be doable) | 11:02 |
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| xavinux | Hi people, hope we have a nice day. | 11:29 |
| xavinux | http://xavinux.blogspot.com.ar/2013/06/access-via-ssh-to-nemo-vm.html Access via SSH to Nemo VM | 11:29 |
| xavinux | http://xavinux.blogspot.com.ar/2013/06/installing-nemo-vm-on-virtualbox.html Installing Nemo VM through root Console. Updated | 11:29 |
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| * Superpelican finds out documenting the stuff you've done takes a lot of time | 11:31 | |
| lbt | sledges: not quite sure what you mean | 11:32 |
| xavinux | yes it does, but I hope is useful | 11:32 |
| sledges | lbt, w00t told me that armv7tnhl build for n900 is impossible due to qemu quirks | 11:32 |
| w00t | not impossible | 11:33 |
| w00t | it's blocked by bugs | 11:33 |
| sledges | someone had a thought that thumb on n900 would make things even faster <- if that's impossible, then ignore my prev sentences :) | 11:33 |
| sledges | (nothing is impossible, only impossible takes longer) :) | 11:33 |
| lbt | sledges: I think I recall Stskeeps saying that there was a hardware bug and not to waste your time on it | 11:34 |
| sledges | n900 hw bug? | 11:34 |
| lbt | but my SDK-addled brain could be wrong | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | n900 has a hardware bug effectively blocking thumb2 in environments needing fast context switches and 60fps ui | 11:34 |
| lbt | woah - I remembered something correctly! | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | as it wipes the branch cache and other fun things on context switch | 11:34 |
| sledges | ew | 11:35 |
| sledges | so case dismissed, I'll inform the parties concerned.. | 11:35 |
| lbt | sledges: also, in general, all mer development is cross-compiled by default | 11:36 |
| sledges | ('twas netweaver on #nemomobile) | 11:36 |
| sledges | lbt, my question was: if qemu cannot crosscompile something, but native hw can, can mersdk incorporate a native physical target? | 11:37 |
| sledges | (via nfs and other magic) | 11:37 |
| lbt | my answer is we don't use qemu, we cross-compile ... :) | 11:37 |
| lbt | using qemu is emulated-native-compile | 11:37 |
| sledges | w00t, ^ | 11:37 |
| lbt | mersdk can run on a native host though | 11:38 |
| w00t | lbt: sb2 does run things under qemu if they are not accelerated, correct? | 11:39 |
| lbt | yes, but not gcc | 11:39 |
| w00t | right | 11:39 |
| lbt | so for builds that generate intermediate tools | 11:39 |
| lbt | like qmake | 11:39 |
| lbt | (except we know about that :) ) | 11:39 |
| lbt | but that is pretty rare tbh | 11:40 |
| lbt | it does impact testing though | 11:40 |
| w00t | so qemu is still the problem with the remaining failures under tnhl, which was what I was saying | 11:40 |
| lbt | *nod* | 11:40 |
| lbt | the phrasing/question made me thing the process was not clearly understood | 11:40 |
| lbt | sledges: I'm just calling you stoopid - don't worry about it ;) | 11:41 |
| w00t | you're kind of jumping into a continuation of a discussion from a few days ago so it's all a little mixed :P | 11:41 |
| lbt | yup | 11:41 |
| lbt | "using the power of host to cross-compile getting qemu out of the way" | 11:42 |
| lbt | is not really right | 11:42 |
| sledges | my, now utopian, dream: if cross-compilation is not feasible, do it natively on target, but use the power of mersdk on host (having nfs+whatnot build target) | 11:43 |
| lbt | "using the nativeness of the target to run native build-artifacts getting qemu out of the way" may be better | 11:43 |
| sledges | my thoughts are coming from the fact that, mersdk build target is a copy of your hw rootfs on host | 11:44 |
| lbt | it's not | 11:45 |
| lbt | :) | 11:45 |
| sledges | well, I just extracted nemo n950 armv7hl image on host and used that as target no complaints | 11:45 |
| lbt | a build target is supposed to be very minimal - essentially headers/libraries | 11:45 |
| lbt | ah - that doesn't mean a rootfs won't work | 11:46 |
| sledges | is supposed, but I ended up updating the whole rootfs via sb2 | 11:46 |
| sledges | to get to qt5 env to be able to compile voicetalk | 11:46 |
| lbt | yup - the "minimal" includes zypper and a few other bits to permit that | 11:46 |
| lbt | I'm attempting to make a pattern to support 'minimal' | 11:46 |
| sledges | still, a build target -can- potentially be the rootfs of your hw (surely, it will get populated with -devel packages) | 11:47 |
| lbt | yes | 11:47 |
| sledges | so had a wild thought without reading the principles of native or cross-compiling, that maybe it could be nfs exported/chrooted etc | 11:48 |
| sledges | but there's a fundamental flaw in my thinking - it is impossible to natively compile using a cpu resources from elsewhere | 11:48 |
| sledges | unless we talk distcc et al. | 11:48 |
| sledges | nevertheless, the way mersdk is structured, stimulated me thinking otherwise | 11:49 |
| sledges | hence my questions to you ;) | 11:49 |
| lbt | ok | 11:50 |
| lbt | you can install build tools on a device though | 11:50 |
| lbt | and simply build native | 11:50 |
| sledges | surely, but then i imagined an n900 user heating up their phone for weeks :) | 11:50 |
| lbt | yeah - and some stuff won't build | 11:50 |
| lbt | like webkit | 11:51 |
| sledges | :) | 11:51 |
| sledges | so had a thought of outsouring the build power elsewhere, yet still staying native (think, in mersdk on a powerful host, substituting qemu with native target) | 11:51 |
| sledges | when w00t said that qemu won't build thumb things | 11:52 |
| sledges | hope my train of thought is clearer now :) | 11:52 |
| sledges | even though I see that technically that is not feasible :) | 11:52 |
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| sledges | right, distcc is as good as it can get in this case | 12:10 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: prerelease ready for cooking, let's make full release wednesday | 13:25 |
| lbt | ok | 13:26 |
| Stskeeps | (thanks) | 13:26 |
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| * Superpelican 's finally done with the compiling the kernel section of http://superpelicanblog.wordpress.com/porting-mer-corenemo-mobile-to-the-cherry-m1007/ | 14:28 | |
| Superpelican | Of course the page is still not done | 14:29 |
| Superpelican | But at least the kernel section :) | 14:29 |
| Superpelican | Now back to creating the kernel-adaptation package ;) | 14:29 |
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| kostola | Stskeeps: ping | 16:08 |
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| Superpelican | vgrade:You don't need to edit the .config or anything to apply a patch to a kernel, right? | 16:17 |
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| Superpelican | vgrade:Aside from adding the patch to the spectacle .yaml and .spec of course | 16:19 |
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| * Superpelican just did his first contribution to the Mer Wiki | 16:52 | |
| Superpelican | fixed broken link :) | 16:52 |
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| lbt | Superpelican: thanks :) | 17:02 |
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| Superpelican | lbt:There are lots of variables in the sample kernel-adaptation's .yaml file | 17:43 |
| Superpelican | lbt:Should I replace those with hardcoded, actual values? | 17:43 |
| Superpelican | lbt:Or should I leave them as is? | 17:43 |
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| lbt | link ? | 17:44 |
| Superpelican | https://github.com/lbt/mer-kernel-adaptation/blob/master/kernel-adaptation-sample.yaml | 17:45 |
| lbt | ah, I understand ... %{kernel_version_build} and company ? | 17:46 |
| Superpelican | yes | 17:47 |
| lbt | no - those are set https://github.com/lbt/mer-kernel-adaptation/blob/master/kernel-adaptation-sample.spec | 17:47 |
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| Superpelican | and kernel_hw_target etc. | 17:47 |
| lbt | rpm.define("kernel_target_hw " .. capture) | 17:47 |
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| lbt | it's rather complex spec magic using lua | 17:48 |
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| Superpelican | lbt:Also what does the PkgBr stuff mean? | 17:48 |
| lbt | it uses pkg-config to specify a BuildRequire | 17:49 |
| Superpelican | lbt:And the macros | 17:49 |
| Superpelican | lbt:I don't understand how I can find out which I should add or remove | 17:50 |
| Superpelican | lbt:And what does builds_uImage do? | 17:50 |
| lbt | you shouldn't need to touch it | 17:50 |
| Superpelican | lbt:But aren't they commented out? | 17:50 |
| lbt | so what is breaking? | 17:51 |
| Superpelican | ? | 17:51 |
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| Superpelican | I haven't actually builded anything yet | 17:52 |
| Superpelican | I'm just learning how the .yaml files work first | 17:52 |
| lbt | ok - so the best way to learn is build it | 17:52 |
| lbt | and if it breaks, figure out what you can adjust | 17:52 |
| lbt | also, if it works, read what it does in the logs | 17:53 |
| lbt | and then you get to see what the macros do | 17:53 |
| Superpelican | I've one question I think is absolutely necessary: Should I replace "kernel-v%{version}-src.tar.gz" | 17:53 |
| lbt | no | 17:53 |
| lbt | set the version though | 17:53 |
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| Superpelican | @ Version: ? | 17:54 |
| lbt | so read the comments in the yaml around line 12-15 | 17:54 |
| Superpelican | lbt:And the Adaptation Guide says that the Git Method is preferred | 17:54 |
| Superpelican | lbt:And that I should create my own branch | 17:54 |
| Superpelican | lbt:But I don't really have any patches | 17:55 |
| Superpelican | lbt:I just use upstream github.com/linux-sunxi kernel | 17:55 |
| Superpelican | lbt:Only thing specific is my .config | 17:55 |
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| Superpelican | lbt:So can't I just use a .zip or tar.gz with the source instead? | 17:55 |
| lbt | in general uploading kernel tarballs is very wasteful of resources on the server | 17:56 |
| Superpelican | lbt:So should I create my own clone of linux-sunxi 3.0 kernel on GitHub then? | 17:57 |
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| Superpelican | lbt:vgrade seems to just use a tarball for his adaptation: https://build.merproject.org/package/files?package=kernel-adaptation-sunxi&project=home%3Avgrade%3Alinux-sunxi | 17:57 |
| lbt | or just point to a tag in their git repo | 17:57 |
| Superpelican | lbt:And how would I do that? | 17:57 |
| lbt | just upload a tarball | 17:59 |
| Superpelican | Isn't that a waste of resources then :P | 18:00 |
| lbt | yeah - but I'm busy | 18:01 |
| Superpelican | ok | 18:01 |
| Superpelican | I'll just upload the tarball and try to build then | 18:01 |
| Superpelican | thanks for your help | 18:01 |
| Superpelican | :) | 18:01 |
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| lbt | sure - in general it's better to ask about specific problems - like your macro question | 18:02 |
| Superpelican | I'll make a tar.xz from the tar.gz then ;) | 18:02 |
| lbt | well - as long as it matches the Source: setting | 18:03 |
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| Superpelican | ok | 18:03 |
| Superpelican | modified Source to tar.xz | 18:03 |
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| Superpelican | Wow, xz compression is awesome | 18:13 |
| Superpelican | 6.8x smaller | 18:13 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: prerelease kicked off? | 18:39 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: just had dinner | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | was it good? | 19:22 |
| lbt | floured prawns sauteed in butter with a little lemon on rice | 19:24 |
| lbt | mmmm | 19:24 |
| Stskeeps | sounds nice :) | 19:24 |
| lbt | yeah - rather good | 19:25 |
| lbt | now I need to plan some exercise for tomorrow | 19:25 |
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| lbt | just going to run a tools rolling release first | 19:27 |
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| lbt | done - pre-release running | 19:48 |
| Stskeeps | thanks | 19:48 |
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| lbt | new rolling release has fixed git and mer-kickstarter ; also a few new debug tools | 19:49 |
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