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| Stskeeps | morn | 05:47 |
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| fk_lx | Stskeeps: morn | 06:21 |
| Stskeeps | thunderstorms woke me up :P | 06:21 |
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| AndIRC_ | morning | 06:56 |
| Stskeeps | morn | 06:57 |
| AndIRC_ | the nokia will jion the jolla?the micsoft is not safe:-( | 07:03 |
| Stskeeps | mm, you'd have to ask nokia about that | 07:03 |
| AndIRC_ | :-)yeap | 07:06 |
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| dm8tbr | moaning | 07:10 |
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| Stskeeps | morn dm8tbr :) | 07:12 |
| dm8tbr | mooo Stskeeps | 07:12 |
| ccxvi | mer on N950 possible? | 07:23 |
| dm8tbr | already there | 07:23 |
| dm8tbr | see nemomobile | 07:23 |
| ccxvi | cool | 07:23 |
| ccxvi | sailfish os, uses mer as kernel. Why stay with this mer? | 07:25 |
| Stskeeps | ccxvi: it uses mer as a core specifically, because it makes sense to collaborate with others on basic parts | 07:26 |
| Stskeeps | the amount of people who truly understand linux base systems are limited and expensive | 07:26 |
| Stskeeps | so we share load and effort | 07:26 |
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| lbt | morning all | 10:01 |
| Stskeeps | morn | 10:01 |
| lbt | yay disks sync'ed and machine still alive | 10:02 |
| lbt | and mic no longer uses bad rpms from cache | 10:05 |
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| phaeron | lbt: did they both have the same name including version ? | 10:50 |
| lbt | phaeron: yes - I'm using mb2 to rebuild rpms locally | 10:51 |
| phaeron | ah so that's why | 10:51 |
| lbt | yeah - good test | 10:51 |
| lbt | https://github.com/mer-tools/mic/commit/b5a39fb76aa096f1c0d9a583d71dbcc576944a6a | 10:52 |
| phaeron | yes i saw your patch. could it be easier to popen shasum | 10:52 |
| lbt | could be - but this is all in python and no external deps | 10:53 |
| lbt | I suspect the #lines may be 1 less at most :) | 10:54 |
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| phaeron | well I meant faster. pure C could be faster | 10:58 |
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| phaeron | and sha utils are probably already there for various reasons | 10:59 |
| lbt | "It's interesting to note that the above script is significantly faster than the "standard" sha1sum utility on GNU/Linux due to the hashlib module calling out to openssl's efficient assembly implementation" | 11:02 |
| lbt | http://www.pixelbeat.org/programming/functional_python_perf.html | 11:02 |
| phaeron | let's hope that still stands true with all the context switching :) | 11:02 |
| phaeron | due to the yield stuff | 11:03 |
| lbt | sheesh | 11:03 |
| phaeron | anyway good stuff | 11:03 |
| phaeron | bbl more cleaning and moving | 11:03 |
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| CosmoHill | morning | 11:24 |
| CosmoHill | erm, afternoon | 11:24 |
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| aknight | any suggestions for doing connman config from the command line? connmanctl doesn't seem to be available | 12:17 |
| lbt | aknight: what are you aiming for? | 12:18 |
| aknight | lbt: i just installed a wireless nic and want to configure it | 12:18 |
| aknight | so am a bit lost on how to do that | 12:19 |
| lbt | sec | 12:19 |
| lbt | http://git.kernel.org/cgit/network/connman/connman.git/tree/doc/config-format.txt | 12:19 |
| lbt | full reference and ... | 12:20 |
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| lbt | http://pastie.org/8071901 | 12:20 |
| aknight | lbt: ok, looks good. thanks a bunch | 12:21 |
| lbt | is what I use in my ks files to make an image with a preset PHRASE/SSID | 12:21 |
| lbt | the pastie should just work with valid values | 12:21 |
| aknight | so i guess it doesn't need any info about the adapter? | 12:21 |
| lbt | it will apply that to the first one it gets | 12:22 |
| lbt | assuming modules are loaded etc | 12:22 |
| lbt | are you using a very recent Mer core too - we just updated a few weeks ago | 12:23 |
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| aknight | well i'm using next | 12:26 |
| lbt | np then | 12:26 |
| aknight | should i see errors in journalctl? | 12:26 |
| lbt | yes | 12:26 |
| lbt | and success | 12:26 |
| aknight | only seeing info about eth0 atm | 12:27 |
| lbt | if you want to enable debug tracing checkout the .service file | 12:27 |
| lbt | there is /etc/tracing/connman | 12:27 |
| lbt | which is a daft location :) | 12:27 |
| lbt | it's an env file or options or something | 12:28 |
| lbt | does dmesg show the wlan0 ? | 12:28 |
| aknight | hmm all I see from dmesg is that the wifi driver taints the kernel :) | 12:29 |
| aknight | so the module might not be functional | 12:29 |
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| lbt | I'd expect more about the interface if the module detected the device | 12:30 |
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| aknight | lbt: yep, looks like some debugging needed on the module level. thanks for the pointers though - this is clearer now | 12:33 |
| lbt | good | 12:34 |
| aknight | lbt: btw, is there lspci or similar in mer core? | 12:35 |
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| lbt | aknight: pciutils is in mer-tools | 12:35 |
| aknight | mer-tools, cool | 12:36 |
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| aknight | i hadn't added that repo yet to this pc | 12:37 |
| lbt | it's normally SDK-side but it is useful on devices for debugging | 12:41 |
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| Superpelican | Stskeeps: Have the Mer SDK repos also moved during the moving from Meego OBS? | 13:12 |
| Superpelican | Stskeeps:I can't install the armv7hl toolchain | 13:12 |
| Superpelican | It says time out exceeded | 13:12 |
| Superpelican | when accessing http://repo.pub.meego.com/releases/Mer-Tools/rolling/builds/i486/packages/repodata/repomd.xml | 13:13 |
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| Superpelican | Stskeeps:Have the Mer SDK repos moved? | 13:37 |
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| Morpog_PC | superpelican, they moved long before that | 13:41 |
| Morpog_PC | they are on mer obs | 13:41 |
| Superpelican | But what's the new repo url, then? | 13:41 |
| Superpelican | I just downloaded the latest Mer SDK image | 13:41 |
| Superpelican | and wanted to install the armv7hl toolchain | 13:41 |
| Superpelican | and it complains | 13:42 |
| Superpelican | so it looks to me that the old repo.pub.meego repo doesn't exist anymore | 13:42 |
| phaeron | Superpelican: http://repo.merproject.org/obs/mer-tools:/devel/ | 13:42 |
| Superpelican | So I'll probably have to edit some file and change to the new repo's | 13:42 |
| Superpelican | phaeron: should I just do zypper ar? | 13:43 |
| phaeron | you should replace the old repos with new ones | 13:43 |
| Superpelican | phaeron:I'll google it | 13:43 |
| phaeron | zypper rr , and zypper ar | 13:43 |
| phaeron | or edit the repo files | 13:43 |
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| Superpelican | phaeron, is it suppose to be devel? | 13:47 |
| Superpelican | I currently have rolling | 13:47 |
| phaeron | rolling is old and is broken with latest mer | 13:47 |
| Superpelican | I'd prefer to not upgrade to some experimental version | 13:47 |
| phaeron | as you wish | 13:47 |
| Superpelican | phaeron:But won't I get conflicts etc. if I upgrade? | 13:48 |
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| phaeron | http://repo.merproject.org/releases/mer-tools/rolling/builds/ | 13:48 |
| Superpelican | phaeron:But which arch should I choose when I add the .repo ? | 13:51 |
| phaeron | the same as it was setup before | 13:51 |
| Superpelican | My host system is x86_64 | 13:51 |
| phaeron | irrelevant , zypper lr -u | 13:51 |
| Superpelican | Or is armv7hl for cross compiling | 13:51 |
| spade` | hi guys, when u run mer, which devices are you currently running it on? | 13:52 |
| Superpelican | or should I add both i686 and armv7hl? | 13:52 |
| spade` | for testing | 13:52 |
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| Superpelican | Is there any guide/page with requirements for a Mer compatible kernel? | 14:14 |
| Superpelican | I've found this: https://github.com/lbt/mer-kernel-check/blob/master/mer_verify_kernel_config | 14:14 |
| Superpelican | But don't want to build the kernel 100 times until I've got the last config set right | 14:14 |
| Superpelican | and have to run the kernel checker 100 times | 14:14 |
| Superpelican | Also the Adaptation guide (https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation_Guide/Step_by_step) lacks information about libhybris and Wayland | 14:15 |
| Superpelican | Stskeeps said Wayland/Qt5 is the best way to go with libhybris on the A10 | 14:16 |
| lbt | try : https://github.com/lbt/mer-kernel-check/blob/master/mer_verify_kernel_config#L127 | 14:16 |
| lbt | and it will tell you all settings the first time :) | 14:17 |
| lbt | Superpelican: (and phaeron) http://www.mail-archive.com/mer-general@lists.merproject.org/msg01224.html | 14:18 |
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| Superpelican | lbt:So those options are basically the only things I should pay attention to when building a Mer compatible kernel? | 14:19 |
| Superpelican | Aside from that it should just be a generic Linux kernel (with of course A10 support etc.) | 14:20 |
| lbt | exactly | 14:20 |
| lbt | those are the things we know about which we need from a userspace PoV | 14:20 |
| Superpelican | lbt: thanks | 14:20 |
| Superpelican | lbt:Nice pun | 14:21 |
| Superpelican | lbt:the tablet I'll be porting to is named "Point of View protab 2 xxl" ;) | 14:21 |
| lbt | ah :) | 14:21 |
| Superpelican | lbt:So I should run the kernel make config and building stuff in sb2 in Mer SDK? | 14:23 |
| lbt | yes | 14:23 |
| Superpelican | ok | 14:24 |
| Superpelican | then it's time to setup sb2 targets :) | 14:24 |
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| Superpelican | lbt: sdk-version: "grep: /etc/zypp/repos.d/mer-tools.repo: No such file or directory" | 14:27 |
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| lbt | how did you setup that SDK ? | 14:28 |
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| Superpelican | downloaded the latest mer sdk image today | 14:29 |
| Superpelican | and then changed the mer tools repo to the new mer obs devel repo | 14:29 |
| Superpelican | as above in IRC | 14:29 |
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| lbt | ah, change it back and follow the instructions in my email link | 14:30 |
| Superpelican | ok | 14:30 |
| Superpelican | I've already installed the armv7hl toolchain from the devel repo | 14:31 |
| Superpelican | So I'll just umount and delete | 14:31 |
| Superpelican | and create a new SDK | 14:31 |
| Superpelican | did sdk umount, now it's saying it's mounting my home dir | 14:34 |
| Superpelican | lbt:where should I download the sdk? | 14:39 |
| Superpelican | lbt:phaeron said rolling is broken and outdated | 14:39 |
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| lbt | phaeron is grumpy | 14:40 |
| Superpelican | lbt:So I should use https://img.merproject.org/images/mer-sdk/ latest rolling? | 14:40 |
| lbt | yes - it's not too bad :) | 14:41 |
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| Superpelican | lbt:But could I use it to create an image based on the latest June Mer release? | 14:43 |
| lbt | yes, and you can update it once you install it | 14:43 |
| lbt | the SDK is not tightly tied to the Mer release | 14:43 |
| lbt | there is a tie wrt toolchain - but that's actually a bug | 14:44 |
| Superpelican | lbt:So I won't have to worry about versions when building images? | 14:44 |
| lbt | no | 14:44 |
| Superpelican | lbt:Is that "no, you won't have to" or "no, you should" ;) | 14:45 |
| lbt | basically newer releases of mer have features which are useful in the SDK - eg some rpmbuild patches | 14:45 |
| lbt | Superpelican: ah, the art of a good question | 14:46 |
| lbt | you don't need to worry | 14:46 |
| Superpelican | ok :) | 14:46 |
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| Superpelican | lbt: what is a kickstarter token? | 14:57 |
| lbt | like a variable | 14:57 |
| lbt | appears as @VALUE@ in the ks file | 14:58 |
| lbt | and you can set a token mapping when you run mic | 14:58 |
| Superpelican | oh, so it's a kind of a integrity hash? | 14:58 |
| lbt | no | 14:58 |
| lbt | so you can set @MER_RELEASE@ to 'latest' | 14:58 |
| lbt | it's a variable | 14:58 |
| Superpelican | so you can choose which mer release the image is based on? | 14:59 |
| lbt | so you can use the same ks to build different images | 14:59 |
| lbt | yes - or other tricks | 14:59 |
| Superpelican | so when I build a sb2 for my latest rolling sdk I should just use latest? | 14:59 |
| lbt | yes | 14:59 |
| Superpelican | ok | 14:59 |
| lbt | eg I set @PHRASE@ and @SSID@ in my .ks so you can preconfigure wifi | 14:59 |
| Superpelican | so @MYVARIABLENAME@ is basically the variable syntax of kickstarter files? | 15:00 |
| Superpelican | just like std::string myvariablename in c++? | 15:00 |
| lbt | yes | 15:01 |
| Superpelican | ok, just learned another thing :) | 15:02 |
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| Superpelican | lbt:Can I also enter my own name instead of just using that of my host account (grep :$(id -u): /etc/passwd >> etc/passwd) | 15:03 |
| lbt | no | 15:03 |
| lbt | it needs to match afair | 15:04 |
| Superpelican | with my host sys? | 15:04 |
| lbt | yes | 15:04 |
| xavinux | Hi people, hope we have a good day | 15:04 |
| lbt | Superpelican: just reminding myself of the docs - I'm pretty sure that still has to match | 15:06 |
| Superpelican | ? | 15:06 |
| lbt | it's almost totally invisible so don't worry about it | 15:06 |
| Superpelican | you mean the name? | 15:06 |
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| lbt | yes | 15:25 |
| Superpelican | ok | 15:27 |
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| CosmoHill | hi ulf` | 15:32 |
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| Superpelican | vgrade:When building the cubieboard hw adaptation, did you use sunxi-3.0 or sunxi-3.4? | 15:55 |
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| vgrade | https://build.merproject.org/package/files?package=kernel-adaptation-sunxi&project=home%3Amdfe%3Ahw%3Asunxi | 16:13 |
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| Superpelican | vgrade: nice, so basically I could just use that kernel adaptation? | 16:15 |
| Superpelican | vgrade:Instead of creating a whole new one | 16:15 |
| vgrade | yes | 16:17 |
| Superpelican | vgrade:Will I need to modify stuff or is this truly generic sun4i? | 16:20 |
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| vgrade | looks like there is also u-boot and sunxi-boards packages for pov protab2 in that repo | 16:21 |
| vgrade | http://repo.merproject.org/obs/home:/mdfe:/hw:/sunxi/latest_armv7hl/armv7hl/ | 16:21 |
| vgrade | Superpelican: its generic, the kernel uses the fex to customise it | 16:21 |
| Superpelican | vgrade: nice! | 16:21 |
| Superpelican | vgrade:So I will need to use the sunxi-tools bin2fex to get the .fex from my script.bin | 16:22 |
| vgrade | its aleady been done here, https://build.merproject.org/package/view_file?file=sunxi-boards.spec&package=sunxi-boards&project=home%3Amdfe%3Ahw%3Asunxi&rev=85eb2eeb728bfb1ba497c2e5a6639f18 | 16:23 |
| vgrade | search for pov_protab2_ips9 | 16:24 |
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| Artox | weggeht | 17:37 |
| Artox | sorry wrong channel | 17:37 |
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| Superpelican | vgrade:Had already seen the protab 2 9 on the linux-sunxi boards project on github, but I've a rebranded PoV Protab 2 XXL | 17:55 |
| Superpelican | vgrade:For example screen resolution is different | 17:55 |
| Superpelican | vgrade:And probably even more | 17:56 |
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| Superpelican | Stskeeps:Why does the Mer SDK use Bash 3.2? | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | gplv3 | 17:59 |
| Superpelican | ah | 17:59 |
| Superpelican | But will the Mer Project keep using old versions forever? | 17:59 |
| Stskeeps | it might change when the system can run on top of busybox too | 18:00 |
| Superpelican | Is that doable on the long term? | 18:00 |
| Superpelican | So you will keep avoiding GPLv3? | 18:00 |
| Stskeeps | yeah vendors aren't too fond of it as requirement for base system | 18:00 |
| Superpelican | Are there any vendors aside from Jolla using Mer already? | 18:01 |
| dm8tbr | or toybox :) | 18:02 |
| Bostik | there are embedded vendors using mer for their projects, but so far I don't know of a another phone | 18:04 |
| Bostik | sorry, not allowed to list any names | 18:05 |
| Superpelican | Well that's nice for Mer | 18:05 |
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| Bostik | no-frills base distro with no politically motivated, force-down-their-throats-with-compliance super-middleware ... | 18:07 |
| Bostik | of course there are users :) | 18:07 |
| Superpelican | vgrade:My tablet's android install is based on Linux 3.0 | 18:09 |
| Superpelican | vgrade:Is it a good idea to use 3.4 for the Mer adaptation? | 18:09 |
| Superpelican | vgrade:Also my tablet already comes with u-boot | 18:10 |
| Superpelican | vgrade:I've already succesfully booted a tinycorelinux image | 18:10 |
| ccxvi | http://www.pixelbeat.org/programming/functional_python_perf.html | 18:11 |
| Superpelican | vgrade:So do I need to include U-Boot in my adaptation? | 18:11 |
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| Aard | ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]h43 /l[[[[[[[[[t\k~ | 18:16 |
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| dm8tbr | hmm I didn't expect Aard to have a cat. | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | i think somebody found his address | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:28 |
| Aard | dm8tbr: she arrived today | 18:28 |
| berndhs | ask NSA, they will explain what that means | 18:39 |
| Superpelican | Ok, this is going to be the worst kernel ever made :P | 18:39 |
| Superpelican | Should I enable SATA support on a kernel that's going to run on a tablet? | 18:40 |
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| dm8tbr | well, depends if the SoC has SATA and if it's going to get used | 18:46 |
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| Superpelican | the SoC has sata | 18:48 |
| Superpelican | I won't need it unless I hook up a USB sata drive, right? | 18:48 |
| Superpelican | Also, should I enable ARM errata options | 18:49 |
| Superpelican | are these important silicon errata workarounds? | 18:49 |
| dm8tbr | that sounds sort of useful :) | 18:49 |
| dm8tbr | I'd go by vendor config and source to figure such things out though | 18:50 |
| Superpelican | ok, thanks I've never compiled a kernel before :) | 18:50 |
| CosmoHill | Aard: what small sqeaking creature did you get? | 18:50 |
| CosmoHill | we have a female burmese blu | 18:50 |
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| phaeron | lbt: please don't call me names | 19:06 |
| lbt | ? | 19:06 |
| phaeron | you called me grumpy ! :D | 19:06 |
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| lbt | sleepy? | 19:07 |
| Aard | CosmoHill: http://bwachter.lart.info/sofie.jpeg | 19:08 |
| Aard | just had to stop her from trying to eat winston | 19:08 |
| lbt | you pulled her ears didn't you | 19:08 |
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| CosmoHill | awww | 19:19 |
| CosmoHill | http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/cat/DSC_1709.jpg | 19:20 |
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| Aard | she's already trained to using a litter free toilet box, so I'm wondering how much effort it'd be to train her to use our toilet :p | 19:23 |
| CosmoHill | we close our bathroom doors now to stop the cat going into the toilet | 19:24 |
| Aard | _into_? | 19:24 |
| CosmoHill | yeah, she was sat in the bowl | 19:25 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: kaltsi: an absolutely fresh target with libsb2 results in : /sbin/ldconfig: Can't create temporary cache file /etc/ld.so.cache~: Permission denied | 21:25 |
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| lbt | http://pastie.org/8073120 | 21:28 |
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| CosmoHill | night night | 21:41 |
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| lbt | (fyi that's with the latest version of the sb rules in mer-tools:devel | 21:43 |
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