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| Stskeeps | morn all | 06:23 |
| dm8tbr | moaning | 06:35 |
| ka6sox | morn y'all | 06:36 |
| Bostik | morning | 06:37 |
| ljp | hi | 06:38 |
| bef0rd | helo | 06:42 |
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| Sage | lbt: Stskeeps phaeron: Message: connect to cbe-vlan110:5252: No route to host ? | 07:53 |
| Sage | https://build.merproject.org/project/repository_state?project=home%3Asage%3Abranches%3Anemo%3Adevel%3Ahw%3Ati%3Aomap3%3An9xx-common&repository=latest_armv7hl | 07:54 |
| Sage | what did I broke now? | 07:54 |
| phaeron | lbt: alarm .. cbe is down ? | 07:55 |
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| Stskeeps | looks down to me too | 08:00 |
| Stskeeps | phost8 is up though | 08:01 |
| Stskeeps | and VM is running | 08:01 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: yes virsh console says it is up. must be some kind of network issue. will have to wait for lbt | 08:03 |
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| faenil | o/ | 09:06 |
| Stskeeps | moo faenil | 09:06 |
| faenil | hey master! how are you | 09:06 |
| Stskeeps | i'm good, thanks | 09:07 |
| faenil | been away for a while, how is stuff going in here? | 09:07 |
| Stskeeps | good good | 09:11 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, good :) it's finally time for me to enjoy the SDK :) | 09:12 |
| Stskeeps | finally! | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:13 |
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| lbt | morning all | 09:17 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: something's wrong networkwise with cbe | 09:19 |
| lbt | looking | 09:19 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, yeah :D need to do a format first, and I want to change distro this time | 09:20 |
| faenil | lbt, Stskeeps any suggestion about that? | 09:20 |
| lbt | debian | 09:21 |
| faenil | I'm on ubuntu now, but it's "too" easy to use, I'd like to use something less "ready OOB" so that I can learn stuff by fixing/hacking things around | 09:21 |
| faenil | lbt, I was thinking about Arch, what do you think about that? | 09:22 |
| Bostik | debian unstable | 09:23 |
| rcg | faenil, lfs ;P | 09:23 |
| Bostik | rcg: that's cruel :) | 09:24 |
| faenil | rcg, that was my idea too :P but I guess it would take too long before I get something usable :) | 09:24 |
| rcg | Bostik, :) | 09:24 |
| faenil | rcg, I started reading lfs few years ago...:) | 09:24 |
| faenil | but yeah that would be the ideal one, having enough time | 09:24 |
| faenil | alright so it seems debian it is | 09:25 |
| rcg | faenil, haha, that was indeed just an evil joke :) | 09:25 |
| faenil | rcg, nono, that's actually cool stuff I've always wanted to do | 09:25 |
| faenil | :P | 09:25 |
| faenil | maybe after I finish uni ^^ | 09:25 |
| rcg | there is also gentoo, but i moved away from it just because i didn't have the time neither the patience to keep that up to date | 09:25 |
| faenil | I see.. | 09:25 |
| rcg | gentoo is pretty much lfs with more convenience | 09:26 |
| rcg | to roughly summarize it | 09:26 |
| rcg | lots of people will probably beat me for the over simplification, but well :) | 09:26 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: it's odd - it is up (console) and on the other vlan - but not on ssh vlan | 09:27 |
| faenil | ahahah | 09:27 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, no input from your side? | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | faenil: i'm happy with fedora mostly | 09:28 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, but you're already master of evil things...what about a young boy like me :P | 09:28 |
| Stskeeps | in my young days, i worked on SINIX. | 09:30 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:30 |
| rcg | btw Stskeeps do you use yum? | 09:31 |
| rcg | comparing to zypper i always find yum a little painful to use | 09:31 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, is sinix still alive? XD | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | rcg: i use yum but i prefer zypper | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | faenil: doubt it | 09:32 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, ehehe | 09:32 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: any idea on the ldconfig problem? | 09:33 |
| faenil | now that I'm thinking about it, let's rephrase the question: any distro I can use on my laptop which is similar to Mer? | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: not yet | 09:33 |
| lbt | do you see it? | 09:33 |
| faenil | since that's where I'll spend my next months on (Sailfish) | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i dont use sb2 targets on a regular basis, but it doesn't happen on the obs mode | 09:34 |
| lbt | no, it doesn't | 09:34 |
| lbt | I think it's sdk rules | 09:34 |
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| lbt | but the only change I saw in upstream rules was a version bump | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 09:34 |
| lbt | where is sb2 upstream git ? | 09:34 |
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| Stskeeps | gitorious/scratchbox2/scratchbox2 | 09:35 |
| lbt | ty | 09:35 |
| Stskeeps | i think | 09:35 |
| lbt | yes | 09:36 |
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| lbt | Sage: Stskeeps: cbe is back up - no explanation of what happened. A single internal vlan stopped responding during a routine cron job. Other VMs on the same bridge were working | 09:50 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 09:50 |
| lbt | VM itself was up and fine | 09:50 |
| lbt | we have no backdoors via console - it's hard to do in a safe way | 09:50 |
| lbt | SYSRQ works :) | 09:51 |
| lbt | SUB | 09:51 |
| lbt | but need to check the scheduler | 09:51 |
| lbt | we may want a deadman switch | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | watchdog? | 09:54 |
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| lbt | something like that, yes | 09:57 |
| lbt | can't be a simple internal one though - the machine was running just fine :) | 09:58 |
| lbt | anyhow... that's not going to happen anytime soon... sb2 first | 09:59 |
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| lbt | hehe ... they'd bat it around for fun | 10:00 |
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| Sage | lbt: one worker has died on phost10 | 10:09 |
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| lbt | Sage: ty - due to rpc timeout on cbe I think | 10:10 |
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| Sage | hmmp... publishing is taking forever now. it is working still right? | 10:28 |
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| tanny | hey... | 11:19 |
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| lbt | Sage: example? | 11:35 |
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| [ol] | lbt: The issue with sb2 and ldconfig you've mentioned yesterday is expected. I had it when I was installing x86_64 packages into sb2 target root. | 11:48 |
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| Sage | lbt: well got published now. Just took a while | 11:50 |
| [ol] | lbt: The simple workaround is to run ldconfig with "-r" and "-f" options manually afterwards. | 11:52 |
| [ol] | What I noticed was that sb2 has a different behaviour for x86 targets. It doesn't use qemu to run target programs, so when it encounters statically linked programs its LD_PRELOAD magic doesn't work. Fortunately, it happens just with ldconfig, and there is a simple workaround. | 11:55 |
| [ol] | Of course, manually running ldconfig afterwards works if you run sb2 manually. If you want to do something automatically (like building with OBS worker), just don't use sb2 for x86 targets. Other ways for virtualisation (like chroot, lxc, kvm etc.) are more suitable for building x86 packages on x86 host. | 12:03 |
| lbt | [ol]: OK - I've not looked at sb2 on x86 much - there is a wrapper capability - wonder if we can use that | 12:03 |
| lbt | the use case I have is to ensure a consistent behaviour in the SDK | 12:04 |
| lbt | so I'd like all builds to use sb2 | 12:04 |
| lbt | good to know it's not a regression though - I was worried it was my rules | 12:04 |
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| [ol] | lbt: There is cputransparency support for statically linked native binaries in sb2, but I didn't manage it to work. | 12:05 |
| lbt | hmm | 12:05 |
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| [ol] | So, I'd recomment not using sb2 for building x86 packages. Anyway, sb2 doesn't provide any advantage over chroot in case of fully bootstrapped target. | 12:07 |
| lbt | it's not advantage I want :) | 12:07 |
| lbt | it's consistency | 12:07 |
| lbt | this is for gui SDK with QtCreator | 12:07 |
| [ol] | You won't get consistency: sb2 behaves different way for x86 targets. | 12:08 |
| lbt | OK the tools all manage targets | 12:08 |
| lbt | now I need tools to manage targets for arm and nested chroot for x86 | 12:08 |
| lbt | this is a PITA | 12:08 |
| lbt | so consistency of management | 12:08 |
| lbt | and the objective is to develop consistency of build for x8t | 12:09 |
| lbt | so if it is different I'd like to minimise those deltas | 12:09 |
| lbt | eg the mb tool does sb2 ... zypper in ... BuildRequires | 12:10 |
| lbt | it and all the others shouldn't care what sb2 arch is being used - yes? | 12:10 |
| [ol] | OK, you can try to configure sb2 target using sb2-init with "-p" option, and then debug the problem if it doesn't work. | 12:11 |
| * lbt looks for -p | 12:12 | |
| [ol] | Anyway, you won't reach full consistency: you still need sb2-init with different options for x86 and non-x86 targets. | 12:12 |
| lbt | yes - that I can deal with though | 12:12 |
| [ol] | "-p" is supposed to be just like "-c", but for statically linked native binaries. | 12:12 |
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| lbt | I wonder if it should be -p /.../sb2-wrapper | 12:14 |
| [ol] | This means that statically linked native binaries will be run under qemu. | 12:14 |
| [ol] | No, it should be qemu. | 12:14 |
| lbt | how would that solve PRELOAD ? | 12:15 |
| [ol] | There is no way to wrap statically linked binary sb2 way. But running it emulated under dynamically linked qemu still works. | 12:15 |
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| lbt | so the qemu intercepts open syscall and is itself LD_PRELOADED ? | 12:16 |
| [ol] | This is because LD_PRELOAD magic is being applied to qemu. | 12:16 |
| [ol] | Yes. | 12:16 |
| [ol] | However, there are 2 problems with this approach. | 12:17 |
| [ol] | First, qemu usermode doesn't support multithreading for i386 and x86_64 targets. There are unofficial patches for i386, but no luck for x86_64. | 12:18 |
| [ol] | However, it's not a problem for ldconfig. But there can be other statically linked programs. | 12:19 |
| [ol] | Second, there is a problem in qemu usermode listing directories for 64-bit targets on 32-bit host caused by internal struct dirent on target being larger than one on host. This causes ldconfig not work because it lists directories containing libraries. | 12:23 |
| [ol] | Fortunately, I have a patch for that. :-) | 12:23 |
| lbt | *g* | 12:23 |
| [ol] | Currently the only 64-bit architecture supported by Mer is x86_64, and I didn't use qemu even for statically linked binaries to build x86_64 packages. | 12:25 |
| [ol] | But this dirent bug in qemu is still sleeping waiting to bite other 64-bit architectures (like 64-bit arm), which will require qemu. | 12:26 |
| lbt | yes, I can imagine | 12:27 |
| [ol] | So, I have to submit my patch upstream before that happens. | 12:28 |
| [ol] | These are 2 problems with qemu I remember. But I don't remember what was the issue with sb2 and its cputransparency for native statically linked binaries. I remember that it was not working, but I'm sure that the reason for that was something else, because I've already fixed dirent problem for my qemu at that time. | 12:31 |
| [ol] | And I was using older sb2, so may be it works now. | 12:31 |
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| [ol] | There could be another workaround for sb2+ldconfig issue: make exec rule in sb2-install mode to run host ldconfig with "-r" and "-f" options instead of target ldconfig. | 15:07 |
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| sardini | evening | 20:38 |
| CosmoHill | hi | 20:39 |
| sardini | hello CosmoHill | 20:40 |
| CosmoHill | how are you? | 20:41 |
| sardini | fine I think, and you? job is cool? | 20:43 |
| sardini | CosmoHill, | 20:43 |
| CosmoHill | I feel a little sick at the moment. The job is going well I think. I'm struggling because I'm learning | 20:45 |
| sardini | I m watching alien theory, they said G Washington have meet E.T. :) | 20:46 |
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| GentSir | sardini, probably did | 20:56 |
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| sardini | and Ellop I'm pretty sure he is an alien | 20:58 |
| CosmoHill | hehe | 20:59 |
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| sardini | CosmoHill, fuc..ing british who create the voice... and stupid french tv who buy that thing ... | 21:11 |
| CosmoHill | you're french? | 21:12 |
| sardini | but not responsible | 21:13 |
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| CosmoHill | I'm in a linux channel and it's kinda fun | 21:21 |
| CosmoHill | just a load of brits bitching about internet speads | 21:21 |
| vgrade | CosmoHill: thanks for the manager | 21:23 |
| CosmoHill | you got McDermit? | 21:23 |
| vgrade | yup | 21:24 |
| CosmoHill | bollocks | 21:24 |
| vgrade | we had our first win in 7 today :) | 21:25 |
| CosmoHill | well yeah, he;s awesome :) | 21:25 |
| vgrade | probably too late to get into playoffs this year so see you in the champ next year | 21:26 |
| CosmoHill | :) | 21:26 |
| CosmoHill | we got southamptons manager, he got them up three leagues in three seasons | 21:26 |
| CosmoHill | so in 2015 we'll be above chelsea :) | 21:26 |
| vgrade | yea, don't know why all the good managers get the sack after doing so well | 21:27 |
| CosmoHill | yeah | 21:30 |
| CosmoHill | "you're not awesome, you're just a human, jog on" | 21:30 |
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| CosmoHill | night night | 22:54 |
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