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| Bostik | okay, the libhybris/wayland post hit /. (or actually its phoronix indirection did) and of course nobody has shown much clue | 06:52 |
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| Bostik | so I did the unthinkable: http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3639581&cid=43430347 | 06:52 |
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| Stskeeps | did a useful /. comment in this day and age? | 06:55 |
| Bostik | well, that too | 06:59 |
| Bostik | but I bit the bullet and made a vain attempt to actually inform the crowd about what's going on | 07:00 |
| ka6sox | Stskeeps, congrats... | 07:01 |
| ka6sox | :) | 07:01 |
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| mardy | Stskeeps: nice post, and I liked the way you handled the friction with Canonical :-) | 07:14 |
| mardy | Stskeeps: BTW, I guess that the SCM issue is just a consequence of the will to initially develop the project internally: we don't use any SCM other than bzr (sadly) | 07:15 |
| mardy | I mean, launchpad supports only bzr | 07:15 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, well, i wouldn't have minded if it had a sane basepoint | 07:27 |
| Stskeeps | i can extract patches from bzr, i used to use bzr in old mer | 07:27 |
| Stskeeps | but when it's completely out of sync with any state from the git.. | 07:27 |
| Stskeeps | anyway, now is the time for looking forward, everybody in non-android land has an issue | 07:28 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 07:28 |
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| rcg | morning | 07:59 |
| rcg | Stskeeps, very nice blogpost :) | 07:59 |
| Stskeeps | thanks, more to come | 07:59 |
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| rcg | great :) | 07:59 |
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| rcg | missed my connecting bus today on my daily commute so i used the extra time to read that post :) | 08:00 |
| rcg | also nice to see that "a certain company" is cooperating now :) | 08:01 |
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| kulve | rcg: I spent some time installing/studying the multirom/TWRP stuff. It seems quite nice and surprisingly polished. And it should be able to run Mer/Nemo/PA rootfilesystems as is. We could create an installable rom from the rootfs or we should be able to copy the rootfs to a correct place and add a single .txt file. I tried the copying and it's only visible in the TWRP, not in the boot menu | 08:12 |
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| kulve | I'll test more later, but it looks promising | 08:12 |
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| kulve | rcg: Also I think we should update the kernel to match the latest ubuntu stuff. I think they've added some audio fixes at least | 08:15 |
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| rcg | kulve, cool that sounds great :) | 08:16 |
| rcg | kulve, aye, i think a kernel upgrade makes sense as well | 08:16 |
| rcg | it's just, i am currently drowning in other work | 08:17 |
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| kulve | the TWRP stuff is nice. It allows you to install full root filesystems as .imgs or as .tgzs and you can run them also from USB sticks. And it seems relatively easy for anybody to install those with the touchscreen UI | 08:17 |
| kulve | rcg: np. I'll do some work when I have the time and the motivation :) | 08:18 |
| kulve | I have too many other projects going on as well :) | 08:18 |
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| rcg | kulve, yeah.. same problem here.. i would have liked to contribute more support lately but other things have priority right now :/ | 08:19 |
| rcg | i think even my speaking/writing skills suffered quite a bit lately xD | 08:20 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: and prerelease was imported to cobs? | 08:39 |
| * lbt checks | 08:39 | |
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| lbt | I left it running - seems to have finished just fine | 08:39 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 08:40 |
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| lbt | https://build.pub.meego.com/monitor | 08:40 |
| Stskeeps | ok, i meant mobs | 08:40 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:40 |
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| lbt | yeah - I need to fix the graphs | 08:40 |
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| lbt | it didn't report any problems - but as you know it's a bit of a black box .... just push button a/b/c :D | 08:41 |
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| lbt | when it fails one day I'll know what it looks like when it fails | 08:41 |
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| lbt | phaeron: when you have time will you tell me how to fix the plots | 08:49 |
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| phaeron | why do you expect me to know everything :) | 08:58 |
| lbt | you told me you knew what to do and mentioned 2 areas; I fixed one and didn't know how what you meant by the other one | 08:58 |
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| lbt | you said it needs to connect to itself | 08:58 |
| lbt | I don't know if webui calls api | 08:59 |
| lbt | or api api | 08:59 |
| lbt | or what | 08:59 |
| lbt | the logs (as usual) are crap and there's no obvious errors | 08:59 |
| lbt | so rather than waste time digging - I asked | 08:59 |
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| phaeron | just that in some cases it's a fix of a certain situation .. so I'll probably dig too. anyway not saying I won't help , was just curious :) | 09:04 |
| lbt | ah, I thought you'd seen + fixed it | 09:04 |
| lbt | looked in /srv/www/obs/webui/app/views/monitor/_events.html.erb | 09:05 |
| lbt | bloody hell | 09:08 |
| lbt | they work for armv7el | 09:08 |
| lbt | kinda | 09:08 |
| lbt | so it's not cfe config | 09:08 |
| phaeron | lbt: the graph on frontpage works for me | 09:09 |
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| lbt | hmm something intermittent :/ | 09:10 |
| lbt | simple page load here: https://build.merproject.org/monitor has no graphs | 09:11 |
| lbt | changing arch then lets them work | 09:11 |
| phaeron | lbt: only the active workers graph is broken | 09:12 |
| phaeron | the other two work | 09:12 |
| lbt | nope, it works here ... sometimes | 09:13 |
| lbt | ok, that's good enough to get what I need for now | 09:14 |
| phaeron | yeah I can't see any js errors either | 09:14 |
| lbt | when OBS upgrade happens (hahahaha) we'll see if it's more reliable | 09:15 |
| lbt | ty for looking :) | 09:15 |
| lbt | apparently whatever the original fix you told me was it was enough | 09:15 |
| lbt | now... rpm | 09:15 |
| phaeron | yeah the other one was specific to the internal obs | 09:15 |
| phaeron | lbt: about mds2 , you'll see rsync errors if any when you do the curl calls. then changing the project meta of :devel usually doesn't break .. or at least I haven't seen it break | 09:16 |
| phaeron | lbt: not sure what else could be shown | 09:17 |
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| lbt | osc -A mobs meta prj mer:devel | sed 's/0.20130411.0.1/0.20130411.0.2/' | osc -A mobs meta prj mer:devel -F - | 09:18 |
| lbt | can the curl commands be run in any order? | 09:19 |
| lbt | basically how robust is it? | 09:19 |
| phaeron | lbt: yes good enough , although I do have more elaborate process for it .. not sure it is worth it here | 09:19 |
| phaeron | lbt: yes it can be run in any order | 09:19 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: thanks for prerelease | 09:19 |
| lbt | np - it was mainly monster dying and then rerunning when everyone went to bed | 09:20 |
| lbt | the logs show it took very little time to rebuild | 09:20 |
| phaeron | lbt: if you have doubts about some scenarios tell me. in my use cases it has been reliable | 09:21 |
| lbt | phaeron: I'll read the code one day | 09:21 |
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| lbt | btw - gitlab ... I got 5.1 pre HEAD working with LDAP and sane email/accountname on mer infra under gldev | 09:23 |
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| phaeron | lbt: nice. though the big pull request for auth is not in gitlab master yet | 09:24 |
| lbt | no - I think I need to test the other big 'proper' solution | 09:26 |
| lbt | I/we | 09:26 |
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| phaeron | yeah 5.2 is most probably going to have that in ... | 09:26 |
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| phaeron | lbt: did we upgrade boss on new obs already ? | 09:27 |
| lbt | I don't think so | 09:27 |
| phaeron | ok I'll make a note to do so | 09:27 |
| lbt | iirc I prepared a new pkg | 09:27 |
| phaeron | I deployed a new is_repo_published that caches state , and it is helping load a lot | 09:28 |
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| lbt | nb - I'm exploring mongodb for storage | 09:28 |
| phaeron | not sure if it is worth adding the complexity of a stateful queue | 09:28 |
| lbt | so if you look at it - don't pick redis :) | 09:28 |
| phaeron | for this particular case I don't see the storage being the bottle neck | 09:29 |
| lbt | almost nothing in it but mongo has better docs for operational things | 09:29 |
| lbt | no, it's not | 09:29 |
| lbt | but it allows remote dashboards | 09:29 |
| phaeron | it's the limitation of obs repo server not having proper state events | 09:29 |
| lbt | I don't want any webapp running on boss machine locally | 09:29 |
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| phaeron | lbt: can you build the dashboard on top of ruote-kit rest api ? | 09:30 |
| lbt | *nod* mongo isn't related to state | 09:30 |
| lbt | possibly | 09:30 |
| lbt | but I want a full dashboard object for my experiments | 09:31 |
| lbt | I'm planning to extend intenal boss storage | 09:31 |
| phaeron | lbt: I am a bit nervous that accessing the storage engine will clash with ruote | 09:31 |
| lbt | it uses ruote | 09:31 |
| lbt | so the remote machine instantiates a ruote dashboard with a remote storage object | 09:32 |
| phaeron | so two copies of ruote accessing the same storage (mongo) ? still makes me nervous. | 09:32 |
| lbt | but not a worker | 09:32 |
| lbt | we do it all the time | 09:32 |
| lbt | ruote-kit does that | 09:32 |
| lbt | in fact I use ruote-kit models but not http api | 09:33 |
| phaeron | with the exception that it is running on same server ( not sure if there is fs based locking ) | 09:33 |
| phaeron | or some class based locks | 09:34 |
| lbt | it is designed to work with multiple concurrent storage and even workers | 09:34 |
| phaeron | maybe ask jmettraux | 09:34 |
| lbt | it says so in the docs :) | 09:34 |
| lbt | some storages are said not to support concurrence | 09:35 |
| lbt | eg fs on windows is not OK | 09:35 |
| lbt | due to missing lock | 09:35 |
| lbt | http://ruote.rubyforge.org/configuration.html#storage | 09:35 |
| lbt | I spent an hour researching redis vs mongo and came to the conclusion that either would be fine | 09:36 |
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| lbt | redis kinda seemed cooler and a bit faster; also a bit simpler. but mongo had better docs, scaled better (iirc) and was a little more DB like | 09:38 |
| lbt | http://docs.mongodb.org/manual/core/backups/ vs http://redis.io/topics/admin | 09:39 |
| lbt | also redis doesn't support ssl, mongodb supports ssl and pki | 09:39 |
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| phaeron | do you really want to use ssl between the db and app .. ? :) | 09:40 |
| lbt | no ... but I *am* interested in pki authentication and possibly federation | 09:42 |
| phaeron | I agree , though I am more inclined to do it at amqp . which is now possible with the new versions | 09:43 |
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| lbt | that's needed too - but for a different thing than I had in mind | 09:46 |
| lbt | they should interoperate though | 09:46 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: is the uxlaunch removal patch for patterns already in mer core? | 09:48 |
| Sage | apparently not :/ | 09:49 |
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| timoph | so meego.gitorious.org is no more | 10:28 |
| timoph | I hope people got what they needed out of there in time | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | it's on git.meego.com or something, too | 10:29 |
| timoph | ah | 10:29 |
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| sledges | anyone played with Nexcom NDiS-166 ? | 10:52 |
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| sledges | Intel's HD media platform | 11:33 |
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| Stskeeps | :Yes I have and the N9 didn't use X11. It used the Qt framebuffer driver." | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | oh slashdot | 11:50 |
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| timoph | x) | 12:10 |
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| vgrade | \o/ weekend | 16:29 |
| sledges | /o\ | 16:29 |
| sledges | they say it will be summer weather in UK for this one :) | 16:30 |
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| vgrade | sledges: don't say that Janice will be wanting me to do something in the garden | 16:32 |
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| sledges | all the Janice's in our street will definitelly do want :)) | 16:35 |
| sledges | hedge and grass cutters buzzing all day, that's what's coming :)) | 16:35 |
| sledges | good that the grass hasn't grown up that much over the 'winter' | 16:36 |
| kulve | we have still >1m of snow in most places on out yard.. | 16:37 |
| vgrade | kulve: that sounds much better, more time for hacking indoors | 16:38 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | o/ fabo | 17:07 |
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| lbt | sb2 issue: /sbin/ldconfig: Can't create temporary cache file /etc/ld.so.cache~: Permission denied | 17:15 |
| lbt | seems to be because (WARNING) rpm[26730/-150735104] Executing statically linked native binary /parentroot/srv/mer/targets/mer_target_i486/mer_target/sbin/ldconfig | 17:15 |
| faenil | Sfiet_Konstantin, o// | 17:15 |
| lbt | static ldconfig in sb2 target is bad | 17:16 |
| lbt | kaltsi: ^^ ? | 17:16 |
| faenil | sup ladies? :D | 17:16 |
| lbt | or Stskeeps ^^ | 17:16 |
| CosmoHill | d'aww | 17:17 |
| CosmoHill | I told my mum to read something on my laptop, she read a bit then tried to scroll down by swiping at the screen | 17:17 |
| Stskeeps | lbt, just got home, prod me tomorrow. -R -m sdk-install in use? | 17:17 |
| lbt | yes - it's static though | 17:17 |
| Stskeeps | and sb2 installed in target? | 17:18 |
| lbt | so sb2 can't LD_PRELOAD it | 17:18 |
| lbt | may not have sb2 in target :) | 17:18 |
| lbt | tomorrow is fine | 17:19 |
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| lbt | well, I can't make a new 486 target work at all | 17:49 |
| lbt | Installation of scratchbox2-2.3.90-1.1.4 failed: | 17:50 |
| lbt | (with --nodeps --force) Error: Subprocess failed. Error: RPM failed: error: unpacking of archive failed on file /usr/bin/sb2-qemu-gdbserver-prepare: cpio: rename failed - Read-only file system | 17:50 |
| lbt | # ldconfig | 17:50 |
| lbt | /parentroot/srv/mer/targets/mer_target_i486/mer_target/sbin/ldconfig: need absolute file name for configuration file when using -r | 17:50 |
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| lbt | that's with a fresh mic created fs rootfs for 486 - obviously no sb2 since sb2 won't install | 17:50 |
| phaeron | lbt: is that with latest or next ? | 17:52 |
| lbt | latest | 17:52 |
| lbt | just adding sb2 to the ks | 17:52 |
| phaeron | ouch | 17:52 |
| lbt | should ldconfig be static ? | 17:53 |
| phaeron | lbt: I think so , yes | 17:54 |
| lbt | how does it work in sb2 then? | 17:55 |
| phaeron | I think it is supposed to be able to work without needing to load any so libraries .. | 17:55 |
| lbt | yeah - but it opens and updates files which live in the target | 17:55 |
| lbt | which need intercepting | 17:55 |
| lbt | what makes me concerned is that sb2 is complaining | 17:56 |
| lbt | (WARNING) rpm[26411/-150317312] Executing statically linked native binary /parentroot/srv/mer/targets/mer_target_i486/mer_target/sbin/ldconfig | 17:56 |
| phaeron | lbt: hmm it has an -r switch for root ? | 17:56 |
| lbt | hmm - wonder if this changed | 17:57 |
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| lbt | hmm -- this is odd | 18:00 |
| lbt | I installed sb2 using mic | 18:00 |
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| lbt | anyhow ... tango time now .... l8r o/ | 18:03 |
| phaeron | enjoy | 18:04 |
| lbt | yeah - it's definitely broken | 18:05 |
| lbt | I suspect the sdk-install rules don't work anymore with new scratchbox | 18:05 |
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| karaca | @Stskeeps: hi, me again. I have installed the SDK. At the end of the install i have got "Directory /var/run/dbus is missing in SDK root - please report this bug" | 20:01 |
| karaca | so i am reporting it. Hope here is the right place. | 20:01 |
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| nsuffys | Hi guys ! | 20:20 |
| nsuffys | Just to say that I make this video : Seadot 2013-03-03 (based on Mer-Project) running on WeTab [French] - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-1Eus5Dtpk | 20:21 |
| nsuffys | Seadot is increasingly awesome ! :D | 20:22 |
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| kulve | nsuffys: are those packages somewhere so that people could try them e.g. on Nexus7? | 20:33 |
| nsuffys | kulve, you can have more information here : http://enigma-project.org/index.php/getting-started | 20:36 |
| nsuffys | donwload link is broken, use this link : http://enigma-project.org/index.php/getting-started | 20:37 |
| nsuffys | oups | 20:37 |
| nsuffys | http://enigma-project.org/seadot/seadot-usb-last.img THIS ONE :) | 20:37 |
| nsuffys | Seems to work only on X86 tablets | 20:37 |
| nsuffys | anather interesting link : http://wiki.seadot.org/index.php?title=Building_Installation_Images | 20:38 |
| kulve | yeah but I'm not interested in x86 at all :) | 20:39 |
| kulve | with a very quick look the sources are in mer and building for arm wouldn't be impossible.. | 20:41 |
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| karaca | https://meego.com/user does not accept me to login with openID & says i should verify the mail first but i did not get any mail since 10 minutes | 21:42 |
| karaca | how long does it normally take? | 21:44 |
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| yigal | hello I'm fixing up an older device to use again, a Viliv S5, anyone here have a suggestion on a UI that should work well for it - 5" Atom processor, single point resisitive touch screen? | 23:23 |
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| yigal | s/work/& well | 23:23 |
| yigal | oops, I didn't mistype the first time. | 23:24 |
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| CosmoHill | cyas | 23:46 |
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| yigal | I see http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cyas but where does cyas derive its meaning from, what is its etymology? | 23:56 |
| yigal | I imagine 'c u laters' contracted to 'cyas' | 23:57 |
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