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| shadeslayer | hi | 09:07 |
| shadeslayer | I was wondering if anyone is working on the Nexus 10 + mer? | 09:07 |
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| mardy | zchydem: hi! I saw the transfer-engine in github; do you have time for a few questions? | 10:17 |
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| zchydem | sure | 10:19 |
| zchydem | in 5 min... | 10:19 |
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| mardy | zchydem: no hurry, ping me back when it's a good time for you | 10:21 |
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| zchydem | mardy: ping | 10:24 |
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| mardy | zchydem: thanks! First question is, whether you evaluated the MeeGo sharing framework and, if so, why you did decide to write something new | 10:28 |
| mardy | zchydem: (background: Ubuntu will need something similar, that's why I'm interesting in evaluating the MSF and your transfer engine) | 10:29 |
| zchydem | yes, I did evaluate it and found it too complex. Easier to write something from scratch and make it support our case better. Even though it's quite generic | 10:29 |
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| zchydem | mardy: So Ubuntu doesn't have anything for sharing yet? | 10:31 |
| zchydem | I haven't followed Ubuntu (for Phone) that closely | 10:31 |
| mardy | zchydem: no, not yet | 10:32 |
| zchydem | ok | 10:32 |
| zchydem | contributions are always welcom | 10:32 |
| zchydem | +e | 10:32 |
| mardy | zchydem: I'm not directly involved in this, but I'm just investigating | 10:32 |
| zchydem | as you can see from the repository, it doesn't have any UI components involved so the idea is that you can build your own UI on top of the DBUS/client API and sharing needs to be implemented as a plugin / service by implementing the required interfaces. Pretty common approach | 10:33 |
| mardy | zchydem: I only had a quick look at your code, so I might be wrong, but you are using MNotification, aren't you? | 10:34 |
| zchydem | yeps, but I have plans to change it to use the new notification API | 10:35 |
| mardy | zchydem: would it be possible instead to move the notification handling to the transfer-ui? | 10:35 |
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| zchydem | mardy: it handles also tracking sync and downloads there and it might be the case there isn't any UIs running at that point i.e. the engine is the only thing that can publish notification at that point | 10:37 |
| zchydem | but you can disable notifications. There's an API method for that | 10:38 |
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| zchydem | but it still has dependency to mlite | 10:38 |
| zchydem | so the answer your question is: Yes, disable notifications and handle that in the UI | 10:41 |
| aard | mardy: new notifications api is xdg notifications, though, so that should be fine for ubuntu as well | 10:43 |
| aard | we just have an api-wrapper around xdg-notifications to make porting of harmattan applications easier | 10:43 |
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| mardy | aard: OK; still it sounds to me that transfer-ui would be a better place to deal with notifications | 10:53 |
| zchydem | if that's up and running all the time then it can handle it e.g. for incoming files or syncs | 10:54 |
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| lbt | mardy: zchydem: looking at backlog it seems notification is overloaded to mean "gui notification" and "incoming service event". Typically an incoming event would raise a notification immediately - but that could be delayed if, eg, the device is in "do not disturb" mode. | 11:31 |
| * Stskeeps passes lbt a cookie | 11:31 | |
| Stskeeps | lbt: prerelease please | 11:31 |
| Stskeeps | (and import/mail soon after) | 11:31 |
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| lbt | release running | 11:34 |
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| mord | muista ne kaasarit | 11:36 |
| mord | err, wrong chan, nm | 11:36 |
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| kulve | :) | 11:37 |
| zchydem | lbt: I'm pretty much talking about "Gui notification" e.g. banner and notification in what ever the notification area is | 11:37 |
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| zchydem | for incoming stuff there needs to be other stuff involved. Transfer engine only provides an API to "keep track" of these kind of events (download, sync) and if notifications are enabled, then it also publishes "banner" and a "notification" | 11:40 |
| * zchydem doesn't even know anymore what he's trying to say here:) | 11:40 | |
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| lbt | terminology and responsibility | 11:42 |
| lbt | it feels to me like the engine should not try to do "UI notify" it should inform a UI system which does that | 11:42 |
| lbt | so strictly the engine will only inform the UI of a potential notification | 11:43 |
| lbt | it should allow the UI layer to determine how to notify | 11:43 |
| lbt | IMHO | 11:43 |
| lbt | but I may not understand the boundaries of the Transfer engine | 11:45 |
| lbt | to me it sounds like a gui-less daemon which is fully UI agnostic - I may be wrong | 11:45 |
| zchydem | well it does not exactly deal with UI directly. It only tells to publish a notification | 11:46 |
| lbt | publish != display ? | 11:46 |
| lbt | in that case I'll shut up :) | 11:47 |
| zchydem | I think it doesn't say "show this in the UI" instead it tells to what-ever-instance is responsible of displaying those that hey I have a notifcation which I published. Please show it when it's appropiate time for it:) | 11:48 |
| zchydem | I think e.g. SMS is the same case | 11:49 |
| lbt | ok, makes sense. Is that dbus or Qt? (I don't know) ... just thinking HTML5 | 11:49 |
| zchydem | dbus API | 11:50 |
| zchydem | but the new API has QML and C++ API, but on top of dbus | 11:50 |
| zchydem | which I haven't took in use yet | 11:50 |
| lbt | ty - just trying to keep abreast of it | 11:51 |
| zchydem | I need to leave earlier today.. Cu | 11:53 |
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| lbt | stskeepsie: hmm ? works herr | 12:29 |
| stskeepsie | at least monster went south | 12:29 |
| lbt | ah, yes, it looks like it | 12:30 |
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| stskeepsie | i'll wait an hour and reboot it with robot | 12:34 |
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| lbt | stskeepsie: what do you get when you ping phost4 | 12:55 |
| lbt | stskeepsie: what do you get when you ping phost3 | 12:55 |
| lbt | stskeepsie: I think Hetzner may have done something bad with routes/ips | 12:56 |
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| stskeepsie | lbt: monster talks about a md resync, i guess that's normal? | 13:52 |
| lbt | yes | 13:52 |
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| stskeepsie | k | 13:53 |
| stephg | ew | 13:53 |
| lbt | stskeepsie: is it up? | 13:53 |
| lbt | or recovery ? | 13:53 |
| Stskeeps | i rebooted it | 13:54 |
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| lbt | ok, I'd expect a resync post-reboot, not pre- .... | 13:54 |
| Stskeeps | it rebooted, and now it does resync | 13:55 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:55 |
| lbt | I can't ssh in | 13:55 |
| lbt | in now | 13:57 |
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| kulve | I'm impressed about this multirom/twrp stuff that exists for nexus7 (and others I guess) | 14:06 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: I can't find any of the iptables rules | 14:06 |
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| Stskeeps | what iptables rules? :P | 14:08 |
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| lbt | thought you had some setup on there ? | 14:11 |
| stskeepsie | nop | 14:12 |
| lbt | I'm happy if they've all gone | 14:12 |
| lbt | nb ... dnsmasq is listening on 0.0.0.0 ... probably shouldn't be | 14:12 |
| Stskeeps | dnsmasq.. what installed that? | 14:13 |
| stskeepsie | ah, kvm | 14:14 |
| lbt | it seems to be related to that, yes | 14:14 |
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| lbt | erm.... | 14:17 |
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| lbt | nm ... my ADSL dropped | 14:18 |
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| Stskeeps | http://mer-project.blogspot.fi/2013/04/wayland-utilizing-android-gpu-drivers.html - Wayland on Android GPU drivers utilizing libhybris | 14:34 |
| pq | Stskeeps, yay! \o/ | 14:37 |
| stephg | nice article | 14:37 |
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| stephg | (also didn't realise that Canonical had behaved so badly, hat sounds like it sucked) | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | they're behaving correctly now, so i'm happy | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | but it's a warning tale to any company | 14:43 |
| stephg | definitely, and also particularly poor form on their part given how influential they are | 14:43 |
| Bostik | cute taster article, now I'm all "ooh, ooh, where's part II?" | 14:44 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe, not written yet :P | 14:52 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | yeah | 14:53 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I want part 2 :D | 14:53 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and now, we got the true story about ubuntu (and the origins of some of Stskeeps's tweets) | 14:53 |
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| Kelteseth | Hi to all :) Is there a way to enable hdmi multimonitor on my WeTab with Mer? | 17:08 |
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| zchydem | Stskeeps: nice post | 17:29 |
| Stskeeps | thanks | 17:29 |
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| CosmoHill | vgrade: Bring on the Championship :) | 17:42 |
| vgrade | CosmoHill: oh dear | 17:45 |
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| vgrade | Kelteseth: http://she-devel.com/GettingHDMIworking.html | 17:46 |
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| Kelteseth | thanks | 17:51 |
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| vgrade | need to leave that to the experts , no uart connection :) | 18:54 |
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| karaca | Hi all. I wanted to install Platform SDK according to https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK but only zypper packages are listed. Is there an option for Ubuntu users (latest LongTerm) | 21:22 |
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| Stskeeps | karaca: you install using instructions in the top and it gives you a chroot sdk that really doesn't care what OS it is on, as long as it's reasonably recent | 21:24 |
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| vgrade | unlike andriod sdk | 21:24 |
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| karaca | @Stskeeps: you mean chroot has zypper already in it? | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | karaca: yes, it's a small mer system that you install | 21:27 |
| Stskeeps | it's really useful | 21:27 |
| karaca | what is the difference if i install on another PC this one: http://img.merproject.org/images/mer-targets/mer-next-target-i486.tar.bz2 | 21:28 |
| karaca | or is this i486 not an installable image? | 21:30 |
| Stskeeps | karaca: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK - if you read the top, when you follow those commands, it'll set up you up the mer platform SDK | 21:31 |
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| Stskeeps | which you can enter and then utilize mer's tools within it | 21:31 |
| Stskeeps | that sdk inside it has zypper and so on | 21:31 |
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| Stskeeps | bbl sleep | 21:32 |
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| karaca | Ok. Thanks. I ask more tomorrow after the installation ;-) | 21:35 |
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| CosmoHill | night night | 22:15 |
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