Thursday, 2013-04-11

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shadeslayerhi09:07
shadeslayerI was wondering if anyone is working on the Nexus 10 + mer?09:07
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mardyzchydem: hi! I saw the transfer-engine in github; do you have time for a few questions?10:17
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zchydemsure10:19
zchydemin 5 min...10:19
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mardyzchydem: no hurry, ping me back when it's a good time for you10:21
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zchydemmardy: ping10:24
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mardyzchydem: thanks! First question is, whether you evaluated the MeeGo sharing framework and, if so, why you did decide to write something new10:28
mardyzchydem: (background: Ubuntu will need something similar, that's why I'm interesting in evaluating the MSF and your transfer engine)10:29
zchydemyes, I did evaluate it and found it too complex. Easier to write something from scratch and make it support our case better. Even though it's quite generic10:29
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zchydemmardy: So Ubuntu doesn't have anything for sharing yet?10:31
zchydemI haven't followed Ubuntu (for Phone) that closely10:31
mardyzchydem: no, not yet10:32
zchydemok10:32
zchydemcontributions are always welcom10:32
zchydem+e10:32
mardyzchydem: I'm not directly involved in this, but I'm just investigating10:32
zchydemas you can see from the repository, it doesn't have any UI components involved so the idea is that you can build your own UI on top of the DBUS/client API and sharing needs to be implemented as a plugin / service by implementing the required interfaces. Pretty common approach10:33
mardyzchydem: I only had a quick look at your code, so I might be wrong, but you are using MNotification, aren't you?10:34
zchydemyeps, but I have plans to change it to use the new notification API10:35
mardyzchydem: would it be possible instead to move the notification handling to the transfer-ui?10:35
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zchydemmardy: it handles also tracking sync and downloads there and it might be the case there isn't any UIs running at that point i.e. the engine is the only thing that can publish notification at that point10:37
zchydembut you can disable notifications. There's an API method for that10:38
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zchydembut it still has dependency to mlite10:38
zchydemso the answer your question is: Yes, disable notifications and handle that in the UI10:41
aardmardy: new notifications api is xdg notifications, though, so that should be fine for ubuntu as well10:43
aardwe just have an api-wrapper around xdg-notifications to make porting of harmattan applications easier10:43
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mardyaard: OK; still it sounds to me that transfer-ui would be a better place to deal with notifications10:53
zchydemif that's up and running all the time then it can handle it e.g. for incoming files or syncs10:54
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lbtmardy: zchydem: looking at backlog it seems notification is overloaded to mean "gui notification" and "incoming service event". Typically an incoming event would raise a notification immediately - but that could be delayed if, eg, the device is in "do not disturb" mode.11:31
* Stskeeps passes lbt a cookie11:31
Stskeepslbt: prerelease please11:31
Stskeeps(and import/mail soon after)11:31
* lbt noms cookie11:32
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lbtrelease running11:34
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mordmuista ne kaasarit11:36
morderr, wrong chan, nm11:36
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kulve:)11:37
zchydemlbt: I'm pretty much talking about "Gui notification" e.g. banner and notification in what ever the notification area is11:37
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zchydemfor incoming stuff there needs to be other stuff involved. Transfer engine only provides an API to "keep track" of these kind of events (download, sync) and if notifications are enabled, then it also publishes "banner" and a "notification"11:40
* zchydem doesn't even know anymore what he's trying to say here:)11:40
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lbtterminology and responsibility11:42
lbtit feels to me like the engine should not try to do "UI notify"  it should inform a UI system which does that11:42
lbtso strictly the engine will only inform the UI of a potential notification11:43
lbtit should allow the UI layer to determine how to notify11:43
lbtIMHO11:43
lbtbut I may not understand the boundaries of the Transfer engine11:45
lbtto me it sounds like a gui-less daemon which is fully UI agnostic - I may be wrong11:45
zchydemwell it does not exactly deal with UI directly. It only tells to publish a notification11:46
lbtpublish != display ?11:46
lbtin that case I'll shut up :)11:47
zchydemI think it doesn't say "show this in the UI" instead it tells to what-ever-instance is responsible of displaying those that hey I have a notifcation which I published. Please show it when it's appropiate time for it:)11:48
zchydemI think e.g. SMS is the same case11:49
lbtok, makes sense. Is that dbus or Qt? (I don't know) ... just thinking HTML511:49
zchydemdbus API11:50
zchydembut the new API has QML and C++ API, but on top of dbus11:50
zchydemwhich I haven't took in use yet11:50
lbtty - just trying to keep abreast of it11:51
zchydemI need to leave earlier today.. Cu11:53
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lbtstskeepsie: hmm ? works herr12:29
stskeepsieat least monster went south12:29
lbtah, yes, it looks like it12:30
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stskeepsiei'll wait an hour and reboot it with robot12:34
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lbtstskeepsie: what do you get when you ping phost412:55
lbtstskeepsie: what do you get when you ping phost312:55
lbtstskeepsie: I think Hetzner may have done something bad with routes/ips12:56
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stskeepsielbt: monster talks about a md resync, i guess that's normal?13:52
lbtyes13:52
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stskeepsiek13:53
stephgew13:53
lbtstskeepsie: is it up?13:53
lbtor recovery ?13:53
Stskeepsi rebooted it13:54
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lbtok, I'd expect a resync post-reboot, not pre- ....13:54
Stskeepsit rebooted, and now it does resync13:55
Stskeeps:P13:55
lbtI can't ssh in13:55
lbtin now13:57
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kulveI'm impressed about this multirom/twrp stuff that exists for nexus7 (and others I guess)14:06
lbtStskeeps: I can't find any of the iptables rules14:06
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Stskeepswhat iptables rules? :P14:08
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lbtthought you had some setup on there ?14:11
stskeepsienop14:12
lbtI'm happy if they've all gone14:12
lbtnb ... dnsmasq is listening on 0.0.0.0 ... probably shouldn't be14:12
Stskeepsdnsmasq.. what installed that?14:13
stskeepsieah, kvm14:14
lbtit seems to be related to that, yes14:14
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lbterm....14:17
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lbtnm ... my ADSL dropped14:18
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Stskeepshttp://mer-project.blogspot.fi/2013/04/wayland-utilizing-android-gpu-drivers.html - Wayland on Android GPU drivers utilizing libhybris14:34
pqStskeeps, yay! \o/14:37
stephgnice article14:37
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stephg(also didn't realise that Canonical had behaved so badly, hat sounds like it sucked)14:42
Stskeepsthey're behaving correctly now, so i'm happy14:42
Stskeepsbut it's a warning tale to any company14:43
stephgdefinitely, and also particularly poor form on their part given how influential they are14:43
Bostikcute taster article, now I'm all "ooh, ooh, where's part II?"14:44
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Stskeepshehe, not written yet :P14:52
Sfiet_Konstantinyeah14:53
Sfiet_KonstantinI want part 2 :D14:53
Sfiet_Konstantinand now, we got the true story about ubuntu (and the origins of some of Stskeeps's tweets)14:53
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KeltesethHi to all :) Is there a way to enable hdmi multimonitor on my WeTab with Mer?17:08
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zchydemStskeeps: nice post17:29
Stskeepsthanks17:29
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CosmoHillvgrade: Bring on the Championship :)17:42
vgradeCosmoHill: oh dear17:45
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vgradeKelteseth: http://she-devel.com/GettingHDMIworking.html17:46
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Kelteseththanks17:51
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* vgrade takes back off Bravia with a hope of fixing and puts it straight back on. 18:54
vgradeneed to leave that to the experts , no uart connection :)18:54
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karacaHi all. I wanted to install Platform SDK according to https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK but only zypper packages are listed. Is there an option for Ubuntu users (latest LongTerm)21:22
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Stskeepskaraca: you install using instructions in the top and it gives you a chroot sdk that really doesn't care what OS it is on, as long as it's reasonably recent21:24
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vgradeunlike andriod sdk21:24
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karaca@Stskeeps: you mean chroot has zypper already in it?21:26
Stskeepskaraca: yes, it's a small mer system that you install21:27
Stskeepsit's really useful21:27
karacawhat is the difference if i install on another PC this one: http://img.merproject.org/images/mer-targets/mer-next-target-i486.tar.bz221:28
karacaor is this i486 not an installable image?21:30
Stskeepskaraca: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK - if you read the top, when you follow those commands, it'll set up you up the mer platform SDK21:31
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Stskeepswhich you can enter and then utilize mer's tools within it21:31
Stskeepsthat sdk inside it has zypper and so on21:31
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Stskeepsbbl sleep21:32
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karacaOk. Thanks. I ask more tomorrow after the installation ;-)21:35
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CosmoHillnight night22:15
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