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| rcg | morning | 07:30 |
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| kulve | rcg: http://www.merproject.org/logs/%23mer/%23mer.2013-04-04.log.html#t2013-04-04T16:02:33 | 07:32 |
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| rcg | kulve i see | 07:45 |
| rcg | i tried to start a recent tarball of pa yesterday but kdeinit segfaulted | 07:45 |
| rcg | so you could start it properly? | 07:45 |
| kulve | Well. I had to remove bunch of connman/nemo packages to get the ks producing the image. Then I had to remove bunch of nemo/lipstick systemd services so that it wouldn't try to start nemo. Then O launch Xorg, dbus and startactive manually | 07:47 |
| kulve | s,O,I, | 07:47 |
| rcg | i see | 07:47 |
| rcg | but great to see it running :) | 07:47 |
| kulve | so, eventually I managed to launched it properly :) | 07:47 |
| rcg | maybe i can send you my .ks file? | 07:47 |
| rcg | great :) | 07:47 |
| kulve | didn't you give your .ks to me yesterday..? | 07:48 |
| rcg | yeah, but that was an older one | 07:48 |
| rcg | i removed my hacks now | 07:48 |
| rcg | and the startup looks better | 07:48 |
| rcg | at least x starts | 07:48 |
| rcg | which didn't with the other .ks | 07:49 |
| kulve | yeah, I removed your repos from the .ks before trying anything else | 07:49 |
| rcg | alright :) | 07:49 |
| kulve | not sure if I should have taken something back.. | 07:49 |
| rcg | well, i assume that there shouldn't be much of a difference as you removed the "wonko" stuff | 07:50 |
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| rcg | anyway, just sent you the .ks file, just in case | 07:52 |
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| rcg | kulve, could you try the .ks i sent you? | 08:00 |
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| rcg | maybe you know where the segfault is coming from? | 08:00 |
| rcg | if you have the time | 08:00 |
| kulve | didn't receive it yet | 08:02 |
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| rcg | ah, sorry.. was stuck in my outbox | 08:07 |
| rcg | forgot to enable eth0 on my laptop in the docking station | 08:07 |
| rcg | should be sent now | 08:08 |
| kulve | got it, thanks | 08:08 |
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| kulve | rcg: that .ks doesn't build. I get unmet depencies if I don't edit that .ks in any way.. | 08:15 |
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| rcg | hmm ok | 08:22 |
| rcg | i just used it yesterday | 08:22 |
| rcg | just a sec | 08:22 |
| rcg | just giving it a try | 08:23 |
| rcg | it's getting at least lots of new packages | 08:23 |
| rcg | installation starts | 08:24 |
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| rcg | i sent you plasma-active-nexus7-devel-mer-latest-2013-04-04.ks | 08:24 |
| rcg | ? | 08:24 |
| kulve | "sudo mic create fs plasma-active-nexus7-devel-mer-latest-2013-04-04.ks -o . --arch armv7hl --pkgmgr=zypp" -> "Warning: [connman-configs-mer-1.12-1.1.1] Requires [connman = 1.12-1.1.1], which is not provided" | 08:25 |
| rcg | ah, i used yum as pkgmgr | 08:25 |
| kulve | I've been told that is old'n'broken or something ;) | 08:26 |
| rcg | xD | 08:26 |
| rcg | PATH=$PATH:/sbin sudo mic create fs plasma-active-nexus7-devel-mer-latest-2013-04-04.ks --pack-to=plasma-active-nexus7-devel-mer-latest-2013-04-04.tar.gz --pkgmgr=yum --arch=armv7hl | 08:26 |
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| rcg | that's what i am doing | 08:27 |
| kulve | Stskeeps: in general, "--pkgmgr=yum" or "--pkgmgr=zypp"? | 08:27 |
| Stskeeps | zypp these days | 08:27 |
| rcg | roger that | 08:28 |
| rcg | just letting it finish this run | 08:28 |
| rcg | will then try with zypp | 08:28 |
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| kulve | rcg: I guess also that .ks drags in the nemo desktop stuff (lipstick?) at last with zypp? I guess those shouldn't be there so that the PA could be started instead | 08:30 |
| kulve | rcg: is there a package providing the .service files for systemd run "startactive" or something similar on boot? | 08:31 |
| plundstr | stskeeps: Mer provides bluez package and everything (binary, config, documentation etc) is provided in one package. We have problem in Sailfish that we need to change some values in /etc/bluetooth/*.conf files. I propose that we split bluez package to bluez, bluez-config, bluez-doc . Then anyone using Mer could provide alternative bluez-config package if needed or use original Mer provided if that fits. I voluteer to create bug and then do the fix. Any objec | 08:31 |
| Stskeeps | plundstr: OK | 08:31 |
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| rcg | kulve, actually, all nemo stuff should be removed there | 08:32 |
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| kulve | rcg: it's removed compared to 2013-03-28 .ks? As in there they still were | 08:33 |
| kulve | at least they were installed, even if not listed in the .ks | 08:33 |
| rcg | hmm i see | 08:33 |
| rcg | strange | 08:33 |
| phaeron | plundstr: sounds good | 08:33 |
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| Sage | plundstr: bluez-config-mer-default or something I would propose. | 08:38 |
| plundstr | ok | 08:39 |
| Sage | plundstr: with connman we have connman-configs-mer | 08:39 |
| Sage | so could be just bluez-configs-mer | 08:39 |
| plundstr | Sage: makes sense | 08:39 |
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| plundstr | https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=715 | 08:45 |
| Merbot` | Mer bug 715 in bluez "bluez package should be split to smaller ones" [Normal,New] | 08:45 |
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| Bostik | please no, not again... | 08:48 |
| Bostik | g++ -Wl,-O1 -o egl egl.o -lfontconfig -lEGL | 08:48 |
| Bostik | /usr/lib/gcc/i586-meego-linux/4.6.4/../../../libEGL.so: undefined reference to `wl_display_disconnect' | 08:48 |
| Stskeeps | incompatible mesa? | 08:49 |
| Bostik | looks like it | 08:49 |
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| Bostik | I'll try something else first | 08:50 |
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| Bostik | could be a masked wayland library causing trouble | 08:51 |
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| rcg | kulve, jfyi, had to update the sdk and now it fails with the same error you get | 08:55 |
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| rcg | was apparently using an outdated approach on building the rootfs | 08:55 |
| kulve | rcg: good, now we are on the same line :) | 08:58 |
| rcg | :) | 08:59 |
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| mardy | Stskeeps: hi! Do you know if there are plans for resuscitating http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-sharing-framework for Mer or SailFish? | 09:04 |
| Stskeeps | aard: ^ | 09:04 |
| aard | mardy: we reuse very small parts of it, we have a different (and better working) approach. the middleware part will become opensource and go to nemo within the next weeks | 09:05 |
| rcg | kulve, i added -ofono -ofono-tests -connman-configs-mer to the .ks and that seems to do the trick | 09:06 |
| kulve | What would it take for me to run "Qt5 Cinematic Experience" demo on the nexus 7 with nemo installation? | 09:06 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | aard: good news ! | 09:06 |
| mardy | aard: cool! Is the middleware UI-agnostic? | 09:06 |
| kulve | rcg: confirmed | 09:07 |
| lbt | mardy: it's a bug if not | 09:07 |
| aard | mardy: it should be, yes | 09:08 |
| Stskeeps | kulve: unpack tarball, qt5-plugin-imageformat-jpeg , qt5-plugin-platform-eglfs, qt5-qtdeclarative-qmlscene qt5-declarative-import-qtquick2plugin qt5-qtdeclarative-import-window2 qt5-plugin-platform-xcb | 09:08 |
| Stskeeps | at least | 09:08 |
| mardy | lbt, aard: do you think that the middleware could be used by a Gtk+ UI, for example? | 09:08 |
| Stskeeps | you may need particles as well | 09:08 |
| kulve | Stskeeps: sounds as straightforward as I was hoping for :) | 09:09 |
| kulve | need to try it out | 09:09 |
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| kulve | rcg: no nemo/lipstick stuff in usr/lib/systemd/user/ | 09:16 |
| kulve | should there be something that starts up PA? | 09:16 |
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| rcg | shouldn't it be beneath /lib/systemd? | 09:20 |
| rcg | but i cannot test now anyhow, will test tonight when i am back at home | 09:21 |
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| kulve | same here. I'm just checking the image I created remotely :) | 09:25 |
| kulve | the lipstick.service in the earlier build is under /usr/lib/ at least | 09:26 |
| w00t | user session vs system session | 09:26 |
| w00t | at least that's my understanding | 09:26 |
| Bostik | Stskeeps: I'm going to re-enable GDB as Qt5 build requirement; we have that now, and for me keeping as close to upstream's "proposed" build steps is just generally sensible | 09:26 |
| Stskeeps | Bostik: ok | 09:26 |
| Stskeeps | Bostik: we will have cross gdb too, i think | 09:27 |
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| Bostik | mixed feelings... | 09:28 |
| Stskeeps | well, as in, transparent, fast arm gdb | 09:28 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:28 |
| Stskeeps | so it doesnt use the gdb arm binary | 09:28 |
| Bostik | right, that's going to be a relief for build times | 09:29 |
| Bostik | churning through massive libQt*.so files with gdb wrapped in qemu-arm... | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | oh, another nice thing, gdb now tells you what zypper line to use to install debug info files | 09:30 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: so DNS looks good - and zone xfer seems to work | 09:30 |
| Stskeeps | good | 09:31 |
| Bostik | ooooohh, so that's what the /usr/lib/debug/.build-id/** files are about | 09:31 |
| Bostik | (for the moment I'm taking them out due to packaging errors thanks to /usr/lib/debug/.build-id being included in multiple packages) | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | remember not to %exclude a binary | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | rm it in %install | 09:32 |
| lbt | Bostik: ? | 09:32 |
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| Bostik | Stskeeps: aye | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | Missing separate debuginfo for /usr/lib64/kde4/plugins/imageformats/kimg_dds.so | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | Try: zypper install -C | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | "debuginfo(build-id)=a84a1969b9a69361b10f26814c0958717c48d671 | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | kind of stuff | 09:32 |
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| Bostik | lbt: rpmbuild considers "included in multiple packages" an error, and I have short enough nails already | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | from gdb | 09:33 |
| lbt | Bostik: that seems stupid | 09:33 |
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| lbt | especially if they're alternatives/conflict | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | where do you see such an error btw? | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | just to understand | 09:34 |
| Bostik | I much prefer doing babysteps and getting things done in small, sensible increments | 09:34 |
| lbt | mind you I guess it's only a default to lint | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | the changes were kind of experimental so | 09:35 |
| Bostik | Stskeeps: the last build error log from new qtbase (origin/dev sources) had multiple RPM build error lines for that .build-id thing | 09:35 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm, sure it was error and not warning? | 09:35 |
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| Bostik | rebuilding now with modified spec to get everything else in there ironed out | 09:35 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 09:36 |
| Bostik | as I said - small steps | 09:36 |
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| lbt | do we have any docs on how we use qt-chooser? eg macro explanations in the Mer packaging page? :D | 09:42 |
| lbt | kaltsi: ^^ | 09:42 |
| Stskeeps | kaltsi: could you send the sb2-tools patch for that then? | 09:43 |
| kaltsi | yes | 09:43 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: you typically don't, you just do %qmake or %qmake5 | 09:43 |
| Stskeeps | or qmake -qt=5 | 09:43 |
| kaltsi | maybe there could be a chapter in some wiki.. the qt4/5-default package also has a role in this | 09:43 |
| Stskeeps | yeah,s ure | 09:43 |
| lbt | I'm looking at SDK build process | 09:44 |
| lbt | and how it interacts with the spec file | 09:44 |
| lbt | in order to support rpm building easily in QtC | 09:44 |
| kaltsi | if you just use 'qmake' it might pick qt4 or qt5 depending on the qt-default package installed, so it's best to use %qmake or %qmake5 | 09:45 |
| lbt | *nod* | 09:46 |
| Stskeeps | question is also if we need to do qmake -qt=5 awareness in sdk, or just do qt-default | 09:46 |
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| lbt | it should be magic | 09:46 |
| lbt | QtC will build the spectacle yaml from the .pro file | 09:47 |
| lbt | and use internal knowledge to set PkgBR: to QtCore >= 5.0 or something | 09:48 |
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| lbt | if it's not constrained (due to flexible code) then it's down to the target to set it | 09:48 |
| lbt | yes? | 09:48 |
| Stskeeps | well | 09:49 |
| Stskeeps | first off, QtCore doesn't exist in Qt5 | 09:49 |
| Stskeeps | it's Qt5Core | 09:49 |
| Stskeeps | that was part of the co-existence work that qt did | 09:49 |
| lbt | (or something) | 09:49 |
| Stskeeps | so what qtchooser does is allowing us to either set a default (qmake == qt5's qmake) | 09:50 |
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| Stskeeps | or qmake -qt=5 or =4 | 09:50 |
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| Stskeeps | +allow to do, that is | 09:50 |
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| lbt | who is "us" | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | us = any mer user | 09:51 |
| lbt | distro us or developer us | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | both | 09:51 |
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| lbt | it feels like it should come from prjconf | 09:52 |
| Stskeeps | in build side it's qt4-default currently | 09:52 |
| Stskeeps | but it really depends on the target | 09:52 |
| lbt | yes, I meant the target prjconf | 09:53 |
| sledges | FRY-DAY! | 09:53 |
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| lbt | IMHO most app developers shouldn't care ? | 09:53 |
| Stskeeps | well, they know what qt they want to target | 09:55 |
| lbt | so it's not for developers as such, it's for target-makers | 10:01 |
| lbt | although as always, it doesn't preclude anyone using it | 10:01 |
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| kaltsi | Stskeeps: sb2-tools patch sent | 10:17 |
| Stskeeps | thanks | 10:18 |
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| possy | morning | 10:45 |
| Stskeeps | morn | 10:45 |
| possy | googling and mailing list archive reading did not provide an answer to my main question: Is it already possible to use Mer with Nemo (or other replacements) on a N900 to do things like... GSM phone calling? | 10:46 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 10:46 |
| possy | quick and easy answer. Thank you :D | 10:46 |
| Stskeeps | try it out, just need a microsd | 10:46 |
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| possy | Will do. Is SMS and Internet over GSM/UMTS working as well? | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | sms i think, gsm/umts i can't recall | 10:48 |
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| possy | Stskeeps, thanks for your information. /me shall go ahead and get a fitting micro SD and test drive it. | 10:49 |
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| rcg | we are mer? | 11:05 |
| rcg | resistance is ... ;) | 11:05 |
| rcg | argh.. scroll back to high,, was replying to: lbt> who is "us" | 11:06 |
| lbt | hehe | 11:06 |
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| plundstr | Does Mer still use the old Meego obs or has it moved to new one | 11:26 |
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| phaeron | plundstr: moved | 11:27 |
| plundstr | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Contribution_in_detail still points to old one | 11:28 |
| phaeron | because no one updated it :) | 11:28 |
| phaeron | plundstr: and since you noticed , you get to do the honors :) | 11:28 |
| plundstr | what is the path for command like osc branch Mer:MDS:Core:i486 systemd | 11:29 |
| plundstr | mer:devel maybe? | 11:31 |
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| phaeron | plundstr: osc branch mer:mds2:Core:i486:master systemd | 11:35 |
| phaeron | plundstr: mer:devel is for building against only .. | 11:35 |
| plundstr | phaeron: thanks | 11:35 |
| phaeron | plundstr: or instead of master you could use latest / next | 11:36 |
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| plundstr | I edited Wiki page https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Contribution_in_detail to use new obs paths. Hope I got all. Review welcome | 12:01 |
| Stskeeps | thanks | 12:02 |
| phaeron | plundstr: thanks ! :D | 12:04 |
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| Karaca | Hi, i am new to MER. Is there a "idiot-proof" How-To for building a mer-image for Allwinner 31 processor (ARM Cortex A7) on a Intel computer? In wiki there are many cross-compile info but loosely coupled to each other. | 14:02 |
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| Sage | Karaca: no idiot-proof howto for that. What you need is to build kernel and then do a minimal mer image that you put together with the kernel to device and try how it goes. | 14:08 |
| Sage | Karaca: you might want to start from https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation_Guide/Step_by_step | 14:09 |
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| Karaca | <Sage> Thanx. I will read this. Which ARM emulator can you advice? I run latest Ubuntu LTS. | 14:18 |
| Sage | Karaca: ARM emulator for what purpose? QEMU? :) | 14:19 |
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| Karaca | I have to "virtually boot" the minimal mer-image for arm7 on Intel Xeon to test if it works. Or am i missing something? | 14:22 |
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| Karaca | What are the differences between armv7l -- armv7hl -- armv7tnhl OBS-Architectures? Which one is Allwinner 31? | 14:26 |
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| kaltsi | armv7l = armv7 little-endian, hl = little-endian, hard-float ABI, tnhl= little-endian, hard-float, thumb2 | 14:29 |
| kaltsi | and n = neon | 14:30 |
| Bostik | Project ERROR: QtWayland requires Wayland 1.0.3 or higher | 14:30 |
| Bostik | of course | 14:30 |
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| kaltsi | Karaca: I think your board should be compatible with all of those arches | 14:33 |
| Karaca | @kaltsi: how can i check if Allwinner 31 has hard-float, ABI, neon or thumb2 ?? | 14:34 |
| kaltsi | I googled the board and like you said it has a Cortex-A7 .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_Cortex-A7_MPCore | 14:35 |
| kaltsi | hard-float requires that an FPU unit is present | 14:36 |
| Karaca | I found this block diagramm: http://www.allwinnertech.com/image/product/A31.jpg | 14:36 |
| kaltsi | without having done any adaptations myself, I'd start with the armv7hl arch | 14:37 |
| Karaca | It seems it has everything needed :-) | 14:37 |
| kaltsi | Karaca: for me it says Service Unavailable :D | 14:37 |
| kaltsi | just a fluke, now it works | 14:37 |
| Karaca | As a beginner it is very confusing to have: Mer port name + OBS scheduler name + OBS project name in MDS + OBS repository name in MDS | 14:39 |
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| kaltsi | the obs scheduler name for armv7hl and armv7tnhl is of course armv8el :) | 14:40 |
| Karaca | And armv6l has armv7el ! *lol* | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. :P | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | in practice, scheduler names are just labels | 14:43 |
| Stskeeps | and actually mean "up to" | 14:43 |
| Stskeeps | so you can do armv4 on armv7el | 14:43 |
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| Karaca | Is there a graphic driver for PowerVR SGX544MP2 ? | 14:44 |
| Stskeeps | you may be able to use the one existing for android | 14:46 |
| Karaca | Android 4.1 (or 4.2) drivers work for Mer? | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | they might, but it's a bit advanced topic | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | get mer working first | 14:56 |
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| Karaca | Ok. Thanks a lot ... | 14:57 |
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| kulve | rcg: was is so that the PA3 didn't use systemd for it's startup (like nemo does)? | 15:06 |
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| rcg | kulve, i think so | 15:21 |
| rcg | iirc it used uxlaunch or something | 15:22 |
| rcg | don't know how that relates to systemd, though | 15:22 |
| kulve | I think uxlaunch is deprecated. For PA4 I checked only for systemd .services and didn't see PA-related thing there | 15:22 |
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| kulve | (did'nt try anything yet though) | 15:22 |
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| rcg | kulve, yep, it is deprecated | 15:23 |
| rcg | so, ui is not coming up? | 15:23 |
| kulve | I haven't tried with the latest .ks | 15:23 |
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| rcg | roger that | 15:23 |
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| rcg | me neither | 15:24 |
| rcg | will give it a try tonight... hopefully | 15:24 |
| kulve | I won't, se let me know how it goes :) | 15:24 |
| rcg | sure, will do :) | 15:24 |
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| kulve | Stskeeps: mic is still changing the time of my computer :) | 15:45 |
| kulve | maybe it's a debian stable thing.. | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | kulve: eep | 15:46 |
| kulve | maybe wheezy is coming out eventually and this gets "fixed" :) | 15:46 |
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| rcg | kulve, pa ui starts | 17:26 |
| rcg | and there is some progress indicator | 17:27 |
| rcg | but then it doesn't seem to proceed anymore | 17:27 |
| rcg | oh wait | 17:27 |
| rcg | ui just starts :) | 17:27 |
| kulve | nice :) | 17:28 |
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| rcg | sry, been afk | 17:52 |
| rcg | yep, it works :) | 17:53 |
| rcg | i can upload the tarball to the kde mirror if you like | 17:53 |
| rcg | also the ui seems to be smoother in some parts | 17:54 |
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| rcg | and the keyboard works better | 17:56 |
| rcg | bbl | 17:57 |
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| kulve | rcg: do mention that in the #active? | 18:13 |
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| wooncc | hello | 18:13 |
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| rcg | kulve, ah yeah, sure :D | 19:03 |
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| rcg | wooncc, hi | 19:05 |
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