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| Sage | arfoll: oh, my bad :/ | 06:33 |
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| Sage | o/ | 08:54 |
| Sage | lbt so remove mer:tools and mer:tools:testing | 08:54 |
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| lbt | what's the nemo layout again? | 08:54 |
| lbt | wiki page? | 08:54 |
| lbt | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/OBS | 08:54 |
| Sage | yup | 08:55 |
| Sage | a bit changes needed but basics there. will update | 08:55 |
| Sage | mainly hw part isn't upto date | 08:55 |
| lbt | what I wonder is whether nemo == mer-tools == mer:tools | 08:56 |
| lbt | mer:tools:{stable,testing,devel}:subproject (eg ruby) | 08:56 |
| lbt | just because it's not really 'mer' | 08:56 |
| lbt | mer-tools:{stable,testing,devel}:subproject (eg ruby) | 08:56 |
| lbt | mer:{stable,testing,devel}:subproject seems a little misleading - what do you think? | 08:57 |
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| Beineri | any reason that the version/content of the mer-release package doesn't get bumped (still says some 2011 version)? | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | just one feature i never really got around to | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | what do you hope to utilize it for? | 09:13 |
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| Beineri | determing if one got the right base/image :-) | 09:14 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 09:14 |
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| Stskeeps | a %post should really be used there | 09:15 |
| Stskeeps | in .ks | 09:15 |
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| Sage | lbt: I see what you mean. I added mer:{stable,testing,devel}:qa as those are qa tests for the core. But sould those even be something else? | 09:23 |
| lbt | I think so | 09:23 |
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| Sage | lbt: mer-tools isn't really mer true but mer is build in completely different obs so not sure if there is really change for mix up here | 09:24 |
| lbt | I would hope that we can allow project:{stable,testing,devel}:subproject even when subproject is empty | 09:24 |
| lbt | I agree - but I can see both mer:tools and mer:qa moving to CI | 09:24 |
| Sage | like now, next week, next month, next year? | 09:25 |
| lbt | next year | 09:25 |
| lbt | maybe a bit sooner but probably not ;) | 09:25 |
| Sage | well, then I wouldn't put too much effort to that part yet :) | 09:26 |
| lbt | I suggest that the {s,t,d} occurs at the point where sub-projects are aggregated to a release ? | 09:26 |
| Sage | you are really thinking too much about the subprojects here imo :) | 09:27 |
| Sage | I was thinking just mer:{}:tools and no :ruby :python :xyz or anything | 09:28 |
| lbt | my point is that mer:tools == nemo not mer:tools == nemo:hw | 09:28 |
| lbt | mer:qa has almost nothing to do with mer:tools | 09:29 |
| lbt | so they would not be part of a mer:stable release | 09:29 |
| lbt | and they're not in any way tied to any given mer:stable | 09:30 |
| Sage | the nemo:{} isn't used as an aggregate point | 09:30 |
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| Sage | for release that is | 09:30 |
| Sage | or well, for mw, ux and apps yes, but not for hw | 09:30 |
| lbt | right but nemo:stable:hw and nemo:stable:apps are part of nemo... mer:stable:tools and mer:stable:qa are totally different projects | 09:33 |
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| Sage | 12:24.38 < lbt> I agree - but I can see both mer:tools and mer:qa moving to CI | 09:33 |
| Sage | ;) | 09:33 |
| lbt | so mer:tools:stable mer:qa:stable mer:core:stable (!) | 09:34 |
| lbt | on ci | 09:34 |
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| lbt | make sense? | 09:35 |
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| Sage | I guess (!) | 09:37 |
| lbt | (!) because that's Stskeeps' very own naming system :D | 09:37 |
| * Sage interpret it as yelling | 09:38 | |
| lbt | sorry | 09:40 |
| lbt | its more a raised eyebrow in my mind | 09:40 |
| Stskeeps | YELLING IS MORE LIKE THIS | 09:40 |
| lbt | YEAH | 09:40 |
| Stskeeps | SPEAKING OF WHICH, HOW DID FULL RELEASE GO | 09:40 |
| * Stskeeps runs | 09:40 | |
| w00t | Stskeeps: i predict that one of these days you're going to get shanked | 09:41 |
| w00t | :P | 09:41 |
| Stskeeps | probably, yeah | 09:41 |
| lbt | release is done - went fine - forgot to trigger mds2 as kittens went mad last night and made me forget | 09:43 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 09:43 |
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| Sage | lbt: sure, now mainly pondering if there should be :common or something in the end to allow cleaner subprojects in future if needed | 09:54 |
| lbt | will it work without? then if projects want to move from all-in-one to subprojects then they have to deal with it | 09:58 |
| lbt | mds2 triggered | 09:58 |
| Sage | mds2 triggered? | 09:58 |
| Sage | lbt: it works without sure. Also mer:tools: or mer-tools: (mer:qa: or mer-qa:) as prefix is something I wonder. | 09:59 |
| Sage | for some reason I like mer-tools and mer-qa better not sure why though. Maybe because of your separate projects talk ;) | 09:59 |
| lbt | ok mer-tools wfm | 10:02 |
| lbt | I hate : anyhow - and wtf is it with zypper ar not accepting url-encoded urls | 10:03 |
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| lbt | Sage: https://build.merproject.org/project/list_public ? | 10:06 |
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| Sage | lbt: sure, :testing and :stable for the next qa levels or so | 10:08 |
| lbt | move to mer-qa too | 10:09 |
| lbt | slightly harder since I think there is content there | 10:09 |
| lbt | ah, no, they're still empty | 10:09 |
| Sage | empty still first pushes going just in :) | 10:11 |
| Sage | phaeron: will curse me after this as he just got it working ;) | 10:12 |
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| Sage | lbt: can you do mer-qa there as I don't have the rights to do new project to the obs | 10:15 |
| Sage | I can do the rest though after you give me the maintainership for that mer-qa | 10:15 |
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| Sage | phaeron: Stskeeps: maybe of you can do it as well | 10:18 |
| lbt | done | 10:18 |
| lbt | went for coffee | 10:18 |
| * phaeron hasn't even drank water yet | 10:19 | |
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| lbt | killer headache today | 10:22 |
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| Bostik | hope it's not noro-virus | 10:26 |
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| Bostik | had that last week, both parents with noro and daughter with chickenpox | 10:26 |
| * Sage has been sick past 3 weeks | 10:26 | |
| Sage | first some quite hard flu 2 weeks and then stomack flu hit after that and now trying to recover from that :/ | 10:27 |
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| Sage | not fun :/ | 10:28 |
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| leinir | ew... flu is just no fun :P | 10:28 |
| lbt | hmm so flu evolves rapidly.. | 10:29 |
| lbt | solution: we need to breed flu for "fun flu" :D | 10:30 |
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| Sage | lbt: want me to setup boss for mer-tools devel and testing for same values that mer-qa has for now while I'm at the mer-qa? | 10:32 |
| lbt | yes please | 10:33 |
| Sage | lbt: change you could give me maintainer to mer-tools? Would finish the projects and premissions there | 10:40 |
| lbt | yes | 10:41 |
| lbt | Sage: nb ... mer:devel project is actually an alias for mds2 mer:core | 10:43 |
| lbt | so mer:devel:tools would have been very confusing indeed :) | 10:44 |
| Sage | ok, mer-tools should be setup as well now | 10:45 |
| lbt | ty | 10:46 |
| Stskeeps | Bostik: btw, adding qtchooser ability to mer | 10:46 |
| Stskeeps | so qt4/qt5 coinstalls | 10:46 |
| Bostik | Stskeeps: yummy, that's a nice addition | 10:47 |
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| Stskeeps | cya | 11:25 |
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| Stskeeps | describe it? | 12:08 |
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| * phaeron thinks Stskeeps forgot he told us about it | 12:10 | |
| Stskeeps | my memory is -so- fried :P | 12:10 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: we had a discussion about it over dinner which ended with discussing sparse files | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | ah, right | 12:11 |
| kulve | sledges: please describe it to the rest of us? | 12:12 |
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| lbt | goddam spam phone calls | 12:49 |
| Stskeeps | they asked to fix your windows xp computer? | 12:49 |
| lbt | OK, we've just decided a new policy - when getting spam calls, respond with Southpark quotes | 12:49 |
| lbt | I'm due compensation | 12:50 |
| lbt | I think they see me talking to you lot on irc | 12:50 |
| fk_lx | :-P | 12:50 |
| fk_lx | btw. hi | 12:50 |
| lbt | o/ | 12:51 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: any reason our V8 is old? | 12:52 |
| Stskeeps | no but it's only used in pacrunner | 12:52 |
| lbt | OK | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | qt has it's own copy | 12:53 |
| lbt | so does nodejs | 12:53 |
| lbt | but it can use system copy | 12:53 |
| fk_lx | redundancy | 12:54 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: another thing - does gerrit expose our git repos via http? | 12:55 |
| Stskeeps | yes, http://review.merproject.org/p/ | 12:55 |
| lbt | ok, I forgot about that link - ty | 12:55 |
| Artox | [14:55] <Stskeeps> yes, http://review.merproject.org/p/ | 12:56 |
| Artox | awesome :) | 12:56 |
| lbt | Artox: yep - just for you :) | 12:56 |
| * Artox sets up his source service now | 12:57 | |
| Stskeeps | be aware it's a bit unstable and we'd be moving to gitlab longer term | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:57 |
| Artox | thats not a real problem | 12:57 |
| lbt | Artox: also - please check with OBS people if they're happy with that git repo | 12:57 |
| lbt | it is opensource - but it contains commits of tarballs | 12:58 |
| Stskeeps | do i dare to ask the use case? | 12:58 |
| lbt | so you chould at least let them know | 12:58 |
| lbt | using some tools in native suse | 12:58 |
| lbt | Artox has had some SDK issues and isn't a chroot fan | 12:58 |
| Artox | <Stskeeps> do i dare to ask the use case? | 12:59 |
| Artox | not only using some tools in suse without chroot but packaging them on OBS | 13:00 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 13:00 |
| Artox | and fetching source by source service | 13:00 |
| Stskeeps | remember you can rsync packages-git/ as well, just fwiw | 13:00 |
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| Sage | lbt: probalby because I didn't want to touch it while doing my generic mer package updates :P | 13:28 |
| Sage | v8 packaging didn't look so nice so skipped it :) | 13:28 |
| Sage | or something like that I think | 13:29 |
| lbt | ok | 13:30 |
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| lbt | Sage: for the mer-tools process I should prime :devel with Mer:Tools:Testing ? | 13:33 |
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| Sage | lbt: yes. If you do it with SR then we can verify that boss works | 13:33 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: ConsoleKit and MAKEDEV shouldn't those be marked as DELETED at http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?o=project ? | 13:34 |
| Stskeeps | probably yeah | 13:34 |
| Sage | and the parts saying no longer something should be also DELETED | 13:34 |
| Sage | also udev | 13:34 |
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| Sage | phaeron: lbt: I think I asked this already at some point but what is the project I want to branch from to branch from mer-next in mer cobs? | 13:41 |
| lbt | mer:devel | 13:42 |
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| Sage | osc branch mer:devel:armv7hl:next bash ? | 13:43 |
| phaeron | lbt: you can't branch from symlink projects | 13:43 |
| lbt | I thought that was the point of it | 13:43 |
| phaeron | mer:mds2:Core:armv7hl:master is best I think | 13:44 |
| phaeron | lbt: obs doesn't allow that | 13:44 |
| phaeron | lbt: or doesn't grok it | 13:44 |
| Sage | osc branch mer:mds2:Core:armv7hl:master:next bash? | 13:44 |
| phaeron | Sage: where did you get next from ? | 13:44 |
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| Sage | phaeron: i.e., what is the latest and what next? | 13:45 |
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| phaeron | Sage: mer:mds2:Core:armv7hl:[latest|next|master|<id>] | 13:46 |
| phaeron | Sage: when you branch get the source code (tarball and spec) not binaries (rpms) | 13:46 |
| Sage | phaeron: yes that is the point. What is master? | 13:47 |
| phaeron | Sage: so master usually matches what is merged in gerrit ( but possibly not yet pulled into next ) | 13:47 |
| phaeron | Sage: and it should be frequently updated to pull from packages-git from gerrit | 13:47 |
| Sage | oh, so even better. :) | 13:47 |
| Sage | phaeron: and you can compile against latest, next and id's, right? | 13:51 |
| phaeron | Sage: master only misses binary rpms so you can't really build against it , so yes you build against latest , next and ids ( or use the symlink projects for example) | 13:53 |
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| Sage | the download speed from mer:mds2:Core:armv7hl:latest while doing a local build seems a bit slow | 13:59 |
| Stskeeps | --download-api-only | 14:00 |
| phaeron | Sage: it might be the obs or reverse proxy slowing it down , usually it is much faster that normal | 14:01 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: using that | 14:01 |
| Stskeeps | 2hmm | 14:01 |
| Sage | 50M/4mins | 14:02 |
| Sage | and getting even slower apparently :/ | 14:03 |
| Sage | and no not my connection this time ;) | 14:03 |
| * Stskeeps slows down his warez download.. | 14:03 | |
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| Sage | just for fun speedtest gives 90Mbps download for me :P | 14:04 |
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| phaeron | Sage: can you stop it and let me try something | 14:04 |
| Sage | phaeron: sure | 14:04 |
| phaeron | that is stop download | 14:04 |
| Sage | stopped | 14:04 |
| lbt | phaeron: can you add that text ^^ about master etc to the wiki mds2 page | 14:04 |
| phaeron | there's a wiki for mds2 ? | 14:05 |
| lbt | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/MDS2 | 14:05 |
| Stskeeps | there's a lousy explanation done by me | 14:05 |
| phaeron | lbt: maybe the README in git is better | 14:05 |
| phaeron | Sage: try now | 14:06 |
| Sage | phaeron: got 50M in 45s :P | 14:07 |
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| phaeron | :) | 14:07 |
| Sage | 128 MB 01:10 :) | 14:07 |
| Sage | so yes, a bit better ;) | 14:07 |
| Stskeeps | what was the issue? out of curiousity | 14:08 |
| phaeron | a "bit" | 14:08 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: long story... 1st cmds has high memory pressure due to 512Mb Ram 2Gb swap. that clashes with ThreadingMixIn and a glibc "feature" which caches thread stack but doesn't reclaim it. so vm swaps more and more and gets slower. Switching to ForkingMixIn helps tremendously | 14:10 |
| * Stskeeps blinks | 14:10 | |
| phaeron | thanks to Richard for helping | 14:11 |
| Stskeeps | okay | 14:11 |
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| * lbt thinks phaeron has been dying for someone to ask him about that :) | 14:11 | |
| phaeron | lol | 14:11 |
| phaeron | lbt: actually we just figured it out last weekend and was testing the change on my side before considering it fixed :) | 14:12 |
| lbt | sounds fun | 14:13 |
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| phaeron | it was quite the witch hunt :D | 14:14 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: have been meaning of asking hows the armv7tnhl arch btw? :) | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | better.. ish | 14:51 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: on nemo mw only libmeegotouch and phonon fail anymore | 14:55 |
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| lbt | phaeron: I kicked mds2 earlier and it finished but I don't see a storm on mobs | 15:49 |
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| phaeron | lbt: after doing the curl , change the symlink project to pick the new release | 15:50 |
| phaeron | lbt: usually new release comes in at mer:devel | 15:50 |
| phaeron | lbt: and then goes upwards with nemo qa | 15:50 |
| phaeron | (or so is the proposed process ) | 15:50 |
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| lbt | phaeron: ok - done | 15:56 |
| lbt | phaeron: another thing - do you recall what's needed for the graphs on the monitor page? | 15:57 |
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| phaeron | lbt: for me had to enable api_delayed and allow self calls to /public/ | 15:58 |
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| lbt | ok | 16:00 |
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| kulve | Nemo Tablet Nexus7 is inactive, not generating file 'None' this time. | 16:17 |
| kulve | Sage: why I get that when runnin mer-kickstarter? | 16:17 |
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| kulve | nm, found the reason | 16:28 |
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| Artox | so kulve, perhaps you know a bit about this Groups business in yaml files? | 16:42 |
| Artox | like | 16:42 |
| Artox | Group N900 | 16:42 |
| Artox | "Nemo N900" "Nemo Pandaboard" | 16:42 |
| Artox | etc | 16:42 |
| kulve | well, not much. They are patterns (I think) but I'm just using a longer ExtraPackages-section instead of Groups | 16:43 |
| Artox | https://build.merproject.org/package/show?package=patterns-pandaboard&project=nemo%3Adevel%3Ahw%3Ati%3Aomap4%3Apandaboard | 16:44 |
| Artox | just found it | 16:44 |
| kulve | I guess I should use Groups instead, maybe some day.. | 16:44 |
| Artox | thats how its done | 16:44 |
| Artox | maybe today xD | 16:44 |
| Artox | I will at least try | 16:44 |
| kulve | I think you still need to "osc meta pattern [...]" to get those to the repository | 16:45 |
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| Artox | there is also some _pattern thing mentioned on pandaboard package list. | 16:45 |
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| Sage | kulve: Artox: nemo specific thigs should be in #nemomobile | 16:56 |
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| kulve | Sage: well, kickstarts are Mer specific but if they include nemo parts, then they are nemo specific? :) | 16:57 |
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| Sage | kulve: actually those kickstarts are nemo specific | 16:57 |
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| Sage | pretty much all the adaptation stuff is more nemo thing as Mer doesn't contain any adaptations in it. But I mix the things as well at times as all the people are on both channels anyway :P | 16:58 |
| kulve | I have my own mer based projects and for that I use the Tegra adaptation but no nemo. At least not any GUI related things. Not sure where all the gst plugins come from | 16:59 |
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| CosmoHill | salut | 17:16 |
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| lbt | who sponsors mer servers? | 18:29 |
| Stskeeps | i would if somebody would send me a shiny invoice | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:30 |
| lbt | vgrade: you do - I've made your home project get high priority in mobs building | 18:30 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: yeah - I have time now, I'll do that | 18:30 |
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| lbt | so I think that's a nice perk - a few points of dispatch priority for sponsors :D | 18:32 |
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| sardini | hello, | 19:02 |
| CosmoHill | hi | 19:04 |
| CosmoHill | how are you sardini? | 19:04 |
| sardini | hell | 19:04 |
| sardini | o | 19:04 |
| sardini | CosmoHill, fine tank you | 19:05 |
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| CosmoHill | I'm good, tank you | 19:05 |
| CosmoHill | second day in my new job | 19:05 |
| sardini | and what have broken CosmoHill ? | 19:07 |
| CosmoHill | nothing, they're paying me to learn at the moment, learning drupal on my laptop | 19:07 |
| sardini | nice | 19:07 |
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| sardini | CosmoHill, anyway nice to hear, good luck in your job :) | 19:14 |
| CosmoHill | merci | 19:14 |
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| lbt | ok, so I now have a full Ruby on Rails dev env running in MerSDK ... nice :) | 19:25 |
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| CosmoHill | night night all | 21:47 |
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