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| ganzuul | Hello. | 00:19 |
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| ganzuul | ;D | 00:43 |
| ganzuul | what the...? /home/mersdk has my ~? | 00:45 |
| ganzuul | I was like, wow, you guys sure know what software to- wait a seceond | 00:48 |
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| situ | Morning | 07:11 |
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| sledges | looks like ganzuul just did rm -rf /home/mersdk :) | 08:06 |
| Stskeeps | woops? | 08:08 |
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| Bostik | http://imgur.com/gallery/6i0daVJ | 08:37 |
| Bostik | I can relate to that one | 08:37 |
| fireglow | oh yes | 08:41 |
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| sledges | Hungary snowed 2.5 meters in one afternoon yesterday.. nat.emergency level 3 | 09:07 |
| Stskeeps | not bad | 09:08 |
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| sledges | and they didnt foresee it forecase said itll just rain heavily :) | 09:10 |
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| ganzuul | :p | 09:13 |
| ganzuul | No, still here. | 09:13 |
| ganzuul | With ideas! | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | like what? | 09:13 |
| ganzuul | Like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-n1nr9C6JMk plus a phone cover that you can fold into a viewer. | 09:14 |
| ganzuul | That's not mine btw. | 09:15 |
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| ganzuul | I have just been trying to pick the best tools for the job, getting a little code compiled etc. | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | makes sense | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | and 3d printed too, nice | 09:16 |
| ganzuul | I'm also wondering about a community effort to get local Assisted + Differential GPS servers set up so that you can have ~1m accuracy. | 09:17 |
| ganzuul | I've been doing a little exploration with socket.io and node.js to see if I can retire my N8 as a game controller. | 09:20 |
| ganzuul | What started all this is the approaching shipping date of the Oculus Rift VR HMD. | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | i'd really like to hack one of those vuzix ones, www.vuzix.com/consumer/products_m100.html | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | ganzuul: you might enjoy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ready_Player_One too | 09:22 |
| ganzuul | Stskeeps: It seemed a little dark... I read everything William Gibson wrote when I was a teen. Decided to go hone my skills for when the day would come... | 09:23 |
| ganzuul | And just about now it is here. =) | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 09:24 |
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| ganzuul | I think HMDs like the one you linked are essentially a good idea for the AR concept, but I wonder about having a display on only one eye. | 09:26 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 09:26 |
| Stskeeps | VR today should definately be better than that of 10-15 years ago | 09:27 |
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| ganzuul | The guy who made the space sim Elite said his experience with the Rift was that it could be lonely, or isolating. | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | irc can be lonely or isolating | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:29 |
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| ganzuul | I have to wonder if WebRTC/socket.io and WebGL isn't the way into the future; cyberspace. | 09:30 |
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| ganzuul | Oh yeah, I had a point to make. | 09:59 |
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| ganzuul | So surely there is a need to isolate onself once in a while, say go into a place where all the characters are NPCs, but real-time immersion into a VR MUD spanning the globe and beyond will require some very modern technology. | 10:01 |
| ganzuul | I think that efter an individual has their first functinal, impressive VR experience their world will augment itself so that their imagination starts to do a lot of the VR/AR heavy-lifting. For a mobile platform that means something like a google street-view app plus highly sensitive location and orientation-awareness, perhaps overlaid on the view from the rear camera. | 10:05 |
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| ganzuul | A use case is e.g. A street-facing shop owner being able to add their data to their geoocation in real-time, without censorship, by say scanning in a point-cloud of their wares. | 10:09 |
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| ganzuul | A shopper in turn would be able have an eagle-eye view of their city, point orient their phone in the direction of their interest, and zoom. | 10:12 |
| ganzuul | (And hopefully the need for exercise is moved into immersive, theraputic sports games, while traffic congestion, accidents, and fuel consumption goes down.) | 10:15 |
| ganzuul | </blue-sky> | 10:16 |
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| sardini | hello have a nice WE | 11:18 |
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| berndhs | morning | 11:56 |
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| mike7b4_lenovo | g++ -c -m32 -pipe -g -fPIC -fvisibility=hidden -fvisibility-inlines-hidden -Wall -W -D_REENTRANT -DQT_DECLARATIVE_DEBUG -DQT_DECLARATIVE_LIB -DQT_WEBKIT_LIB -DQT_GUI_LIB -DQT_NETWORK_LIB -DQT_CORE_LIB -DQT_SHARED -I/usr/share/qt4/mkspecs/linux-g++-32 -I. -I/usr/include/qt4/QtCore -I/usr/include/qt4/QtNetwork -I/usr/include/qt4/QtGui -I/usr/include/qt4/QtWebKit -I/usr/include/qt4/QtDeclarative -I/usr/include/qt4 -I/usr/include - | 12:08 |
| mike7b4_lenovo | I/usr/include/applauncherd -Imoc -o obj/mccryptoengine.o mccryptoengine.cpp | 12:08 |
| mike7b4_lenovo | make: Leaving directory `/home/mersdk/MyStuff/src/nfckeyring' | 12:08 |
| mike7b4_lenovo | mccryptoengine.cpp:6:25: fatal error: openssl/aes.h: No such file or directory <- thats woierd actually openssl/aes IS in /usr/include | 12:08 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt, fele free to make a prerelease | 12:59 |
| lbt | ok | 12:59 |
| phaeron | mmm fillet | 13:01 |
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| dm8tbr | whoa, nokia really knows how to hide their awesome open source contribution. | 13:15 |
| dm8tbr | I've just had a total Nerdgasm! | 13:15 |
| dm8tbr | https://projects.developer.nokia.com/TracKanbanBoard ← that's _the_ shit I've been looking for during the last 2 years! | 13:16 |
| dm8tbr | a fully open source solution for a ticket system with fully customizeable kanban board and it looks good and does all sorts of magic like ticket updates and priority reordering! | 13:16 |
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| berndhs | morning Cosmo | 14:09 |
| CosmoHill | morning | 14:10 |
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| sardini_ | hello CosmoHill | 14:45 |
| CosmoHill | hello | 14:45 |
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| lbt | prerelease went OK | 19:54 |
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| lbt | we could really do with updating sb2 to have an sb2-target package for x86 targets | 19:55 |
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| Stskeeps | hm? | 20:02 |
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| xavinux | hi people, I am trying to help in the Mer project verifiyng bus resolved. I have already mounted the i586 virtual machine and is running ok. So decide to pick Bug 194 that seems easy to verify. Zip is missing, so I run an rpm -qa command and zip is not installed in the system. Can someone please tell me what should I do now? | 20:11 |
| Merbot` | Mer bug 194 in .Other "zip is missing from core" [Task,Resolved: fixed] https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=194 | 20:11 |
| phaeron | xavinux: I don't think it is meant to be installed by default , just being available is enough | 20:27 |
| phaeron | xavinux: check zypper search zip | 20:27 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: let me know when it's imported into pub.meego and mer ci obs | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | err.. community obs | 20:31 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: yeah | 20:31 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: so sb2 in x86 targets | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | yes, the weird issue | 20:31 |
| lbt | what does it need | 20:31 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm theoretically of the opinion that it should build libsb2 for the target itself | 20:32 |
| lbt | I'd like to make a minimal sb2-target lib | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | we can seperate scratchbox2 into scratchbox2 and libsb2 if needed | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | that should help things a little bit | 20:32 |
| lbt | I copied them to the target - didn't help | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | 'them'? | 20:33 |
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| lbt | cp -a /usr/lib/libsb2/libsb2.so.1 /usr/lib/libsb2/libsb2.so.2.3.52 -> target | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | right | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | moment | 20:34 |
| lbt | mmm didn't ldconfig | 20:34 |
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| Stskeeps | ./usr/lib/libsb2/libsb2.so.1 | 20:35 |
| Stskeeps | ./usr/lib/libsb2/libsb2.so.2.3.90 | 20:35 |
| Stskeeps | into target, right? | 20:35 |
| lbt | ah, I missed the libssb2/ subdir in target | 20:36 |
| lbt | let me finish this testing round and then try that again | 20:37 |
| [ol] | Are you guys talking about building for x86_64 target on i486 host using db2? | 20:38 |
| [ol] | sb2, I mean. :-) | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | [ol]: nah, i486 on i486, but one of those issues yes | 20:38 |
| lbt | hey [ol] | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | [ol]: i plan on merging your patches against sb2 soon-ish, just didn't want to shake the beehive too much | 20:39 |
| xavinux | ok phaeron thanks. I will check that | 20:39 |
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| [ol] | Where is sb2 development taking place now? The last commit in 2.3_development branch on Gitorious was in Septamber 5th 2012. | 20:43 |
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| [ol] | And I didn't receive any responses to an email with my patches. | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | [ol]: which also was the last day that the latest author worked at nokia, i know the current maintainer if we need merging though | 20:47 |
| [ol] | Does it mean that sb2 development has stopped? | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | rather that 2.3.90 reached a very nice point of stability and featureset, it was meant to become the full 2.4 release | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | but yes, that author isn't likely to work on it anymore | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | a open source project never stops truly ;) | 20:49 |
| [ol] | Sometimes it happens. | 20:49 |
| [ol] | There are lots of dead projects on Sourceforge... | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, true | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | but in sense that theoretically you can continue on it | 20:50 |
| [ol] | By creating my own fork? | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | i'll have a talk by the current maintainer during next week | 20:52 |
| Stskeeps | btw, where did you send patches? scratchbox.org is dead | 20:53 |
| [ol] | Personal email to Lauri Aarnio and Jussi Hakala. | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | at which mail addies? i hope not @nokia.com | 20:55 |
| [ol] | At iki.fi. | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 20:55 |
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| Stskeeps | i don't know, worst case scenario we can fork | 20:56 |
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| Stskeeps | and more of a continuation fork than a disagreement fork | 20:58 |
| [ol] | I've just checked my SMTP server's logs. Message accepted for delivery. | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | iki's basically one of those things that's a 'permanent email address' | 20:59 |
| [ol] | Like gmail? | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, though a non-profit organisation | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | so no clue if it reaches them on there | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | x86_64 port seems to fare well btw | 21:00 |
| [ol] | I don't trust permanent email addresses in domaind I don't own. | 21:00 |
| [ol] | Good to know. | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | i think i definately see faster builds when it's in use | 21:00 |
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| [ol] | I still didn't manage to build Plasma Active for x86_64... OBS server is too difficult for me... :-( | 21:02 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, well it should be possible to do in build.pub.meego.com i'd think? | 21:02 |
| lbt | x86_64 not there yet | 21:02 |
| Stskeeps | in PA, or in general? | 21:03 |
| lbt | in PA | 21:03 |
| lbt | I think I added it to mer | 21:03 |
| Stskeeps | that's solveable, just project link and add repo | 21:03 |
| Stskeeps | for your own personal builds | 21:03 |
| [ol] | And I heard some hints that it would be not so friendly to place so much additional load on Mer infrastructure. :-) | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | well, build.pub's fine atm | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | build.merproject.org is a different deal right now | 21:04 |
| lbt | oh, I fixed tmpfs worker problem | 21:05 |
| lbt | we're probably rolling a new OBS pkg set tomorrow | 21:05 |
| lbt | phaeron has patches for Debian:7.0 64bit which we need | 21:05 |
| [ol] | You mean, build.pub.meego.com? Does it have Mer x86_64? | 21:06 |
| Stskeeps | yes afaik | 21:06 |
| [ol] | Which project? | 21:06 |
| Stskeeps | Mer:MDS:Core-next:x86_64 , i think | 21:07 |
| Stskeeps | (lbt may correct me) | 21:07 |
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| lbt | yep - and actually latest I think too | 21:07 |
| [ol] | Is this project public? | 21:08 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 21:08 |
| lbt | btw I'm about to run an import of mer latest | 21:08 |
| lbt | so it'll get busy in a bit | 21:08 |
| [ol] | I can't find it here: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/list_public | 21:08 |
| Stskeeps | [ol]: it's a remote OBS project a such | 21:08 |
| Stskeeps | so you only see Mer:MDS | 21:08 |
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| Stskeeps | but if you osc ls Mer:MDS:Core-next:x86_64 you'd see it | 21:09 |
| Stskeeps | [ol]: long story short: if you add <link project="projectname" /> in a meta prj, and <repository linkedbuild="all" > in a project, it'll import all source packages from a project, and you can add repositories as you want yourself/do special builds | 21:09 |
| Stskeeps | so you can do this for for example CE:MW:PlasmaActive or Project:KDE:Devel | 21:09 |
| [ol] | OK, where can I read about OBS concepts? I found http://openbuildservice.org/help/manuals/obs-reference-guide/ somewhat lacking content... | 21:09 |
| Stskeeps | even if you don't own those projects | 21:09 |
| Stskeeps | [ol]: are you allergic to flash? | 21:10 |
| [ol] | I don't like it, but I have flash plugin. | 21:10 |
| Stskeeps | http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/mindmap/OBS.html is a mindmap i did in FreeMind once | 21:10 |
| Stskeeps | to explain concepts deeper | 21:10 |
| Stskeeps | it's quite extensive, dump of my OBS knowledge at the time | 21:11 |
| Stskeeps | source code in ".mm" instead of .html | 21:11 |
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| [ol] | That's good, but I'd prefer something in form of step-by-step tutorial, with examples. Did you hear about something like that? | 21:14 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm not sure if that training material ever got published | 21:15 |
| Stskeeps | lbt might know | 21:15 |
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| lbt | oof | 21:17 |
| [ol] | OK, so how did you guys learn OBS concepts? | 21:18 |
| yunta | Stskeeps: this mindmap is AWESOME. I'm missing this kind of thing for just about every new technology I'm getting into. | 21:18 |
| lbt | [ol]: using it | 21:18 |
| lbt | and hacking on it | 21:18 |
| [ol] | Work of mouth? Learning source code? Secret meetings? | 21:18 |
| [ol] | Word of mouth, I mean... | 21:19 |
| lbt | I 'found' it for mer 0.1 back in 2009-ish | 21:19 |
| lbt | and we built on suse's OBS | 21:19 |
| [ol] | I tried to learn source code, but I had an impression that it's easier to reimplement than to understand... | 21:20 |
| lbt | you need to really use it first | 21:20 |
| Stskeeps | [ol]: secret meetings | 21:21 |
| [ol] | Yes, I've used it for one project, which was already created. | 21:21 |
| lbt | woo: https://build.opensuse.org/project/subprojects?project=Maemo%3AMer | 21:21 |
| [ol] | So I can check in, edit files, add files and commit changes to any package in an already existing project. | 21:21 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: modern equivalent of the HP garage :D | 21:22 |
| lbt | [ol]: subject to acl | 21:22 |
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| [ol] | Yes, of course, I'm talking about a project I have access to. | 21:23 |
| lbt | however ... we've kinda moved on from that | 21:23 |
| lbt | now we tend to use automation to link OBS to git repos | 21:23 |
| [ol] | But I still have no idea about what remote OBS is. | 21:23 |
| Stskeeps | obs has a communication protocol in it's api to connect to other obs'es | 21:24 |
| lbt | remote OBS is kinda like OBS over ftp.... you can't just "ls" it | 21:24 |
| lbt | but you can use ftp in scripts to pull stuff in when needed | 21:24 |
| [ol] | Does OBS track changes of packages in remote OBS? | 21:25 |
| lbt | it's not yet at the point where there's an OBS equiv of fuse-ftp | 21:25 |
| lbt | yes, it uses a link to the remote 'events' | 21:25 |
| lbt | kinda like RSS for build/checkin/publish activity | 21:26 |
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| Stskeeps | http://www.compdigitec.com/labs/2012/11/24/rooting-the-ippea/ looks like a nice use for mer mips port | 21:50 |
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