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| situ | Morning | 06:03 |
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| davidqi | morning | 06:14 |
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| situ | Anyone knows where can I get builds for media center for plasma active ? | 06:59 |
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| rcg | morning | 07:55 |
| dm8tbr | moaning | 07:55 |
| rcg | hey dm8tbr, how is it going? | 07:57 |
| dm8tbr | so-n-so | 08:05 |
| dm8tbr | I should regroup and get back more into embedded hacking | 08:05 |
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| Meiun | the pengpod dev wants to create an official mer prebuilt for pengpod | 08:11 |
| Stskeeps | Meiun: cool, shouldn't be too difficult i guess | 08:11 |
| Meiun | last i heard from him he was mucking about with dhcp and configuring networks cause hes not used to connman | 08:12 |
| Stskeeps | should be working pretty out of box with wifi | 08:13 |
| Meiun | its to pull updates, not for wifi | 08:14 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 08:14 |
| Stskeeps | for usb networking it's a bit more fun | 08:15 |
| Meiun | yeah | 08:17 |
| Meiun | hopefully he gets it working. find linaro on allwinner a10s in general is suprisingly sluggish even comparing to mer with plasma active | 08:18 |
| Stskeeps | mer's intended for 60fps devices and cuts some features to do so | 08:18 |
| Stskeeps | fast startup times by applications, et | 08:19 |
| Stskeeps | c | 08:19 |
| Bostik | if only I somehow got 2-3 months of completely free time, I could at least attempt to reproduce Intel's trick of selectively fragmenting NAND for optimal read pattern at startup | 08:21 |
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| rcg | dm8tbr, ic | 08:24 |
| Stskeeps | Bostik: readahead + use as input for ubifs? | 08:24 |
| Bostik | Stskeeps: even lower, they reorganise (okay, regenerate a new layout for) the NAND blocks so that applications that are needed at startup get their libraries and *only* the symbols they need in a single linear "long read" | 08:25 |
| Meiun | you know ive not had a mer a10 to compare against but ive a feeling mer would displace gentoo for personal best a10 based board benchmarks | 08:25 |
| Bostik | Stskeeps: thus my use of the weird term "selectively fragment" | 08:26 |
| Stskeeps | Meiun: especially if you build with armv7hl.. | 08:26 |
| odin_ | Bostik, surely it is simpler to profile startup access patterns (device, ino, offset, extent), work out what files they are accessing, then allocate an additional space on NAND to alias/copy that same data in 2 places (the original and the place used to speed startup) | 08:27 |
| Bostik | the trick is that I think I know how to do that, I just don't know how long it would take to make a working prototype | 08:27 |
| Bostik | odin_: now that's a neat idea | 08:27 |
| Meiun | well to be fair though my gentoo a10s seem to outperform everything except in out of the box stability/lack of bugs | 08:28 |
| odin_ | you can have a user-space application manage the arrangement after every bootup if you wanted, it isn't file system specific, it and is integrated a block dev layer | 08:28 |
| Meiun | kde on arm arch of gentoo may as well almost be alpha rather than beta | 08:28 |
| Meiun | so mer would be a hell of a new first place | 08:29 |
| Bostik | odin_: didn't know that, thank you | 08:29 |
| Stskeeps | Meiun: isn't the a10 a cortex a9? | 08:38 |
| Meiun | its a8 | 08:40 |
| Meiun | iirc a13 is cortex a9 | 08:40 |
| Meiun | no looking at it thats a8 too | 08:41 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 08:42 |
| vgrade | Meiun: I have done a mer + nemo build for mele1000 (a10 based) stb | 08:43 |
| vgrade | Meiun: Plasma needed more RAM then the mele | 08:44 |
| vgrade | Meiun: a PA build for cubie is on my list | 08:44 |
| Stskeeps | anybody played with any of the kind of usb stick devices? | 08:45 |
| Stskeeps | like cotton candy but a10 | 08:45 |
| vgrade | Stskeeps: the is also an imx6 one which looks good | 08:46 |
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| Meiun | vgrade ive seen exactly such a build but have never done it | 08:46 |
| Stskeeps | i'm kinda curious about the pricing | 08:46 |
| Stskeeps | and source availability | 08:46 |
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| vgrade | a10 is getting better as community are very involved, but still not up to the omap, imx standard of support | 08:47 |
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| Meiun | Stskeeps i have a mk802ii that runs gentoo if that counts | 08:48 |
| Meiun | ive not tried building mer for it | 08:48 |
| Meiun | thats a 'stick' and a10 | 08:48 |
| Stskeeps | do you flash it or is it booting off microsd? | 08:49 |
| Meiun | you can do it either way. theres more support for microsd and flash is mostly microsd > manually flash | 08:49 |
| Meiun | somewhere between raspberry and what pengpod dev is trying to do with the automated flash scripts | 08:50 |
| Meiun | you can make custom imgs for livesuit for any a10 but its too hackish for me | 08:50 |
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| Stskeeps | ok | 08:53 |
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| Meiun | if only cubie boards didnt demand me to be creative with case designs if i wanted to make a tablet out of thme | 09:08 |
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| Stskeeps | vgrade: btw, it looks like substantial effort to get llvmpipe going on ARM | 09:42 |
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| * Stskeeps watches armv7hl x86_64 compilers build | 10:06 | |
| iekku | is it entertaining? | 10:11 |
| Stskeeps | like watching paint dry and sometimes turn red | 10:11 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:11 |
| kysse | true artist | 10:12 |
| iekku | :) | 10:12 |
| iekku | i assume that means "yes" | 10:12 |
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| vgrade | Stskeeps: I thougt Mer had mesa-llvmpipe-* for arm, or is that something else | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | it does but it doesn't actually work in gallium mode | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | it uses very intensive intrinsics from x86, no NEON ones mentioned, etc | 11:11 |
| vgrade | ah ok | 11:12 |
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| Stskeeps | o/ mdfe | 11:25 |
| mdfe | hi Stskeeps | 11:27 |
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| * merlin1991 thinks it's kinda funny, how mer is intended for 60FPS whilst modern games (on consoles) still run at crappy 30FPS | 11:39 | |
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| Stskeeps | well, displays update at 60fps | 11:40 |
| merlin1991 | Stskeeps: I'm all for it, just saying that it's kinda ironcial, that you target small handhelds and achieve 60FPS whilst full blown consoles still are too weak | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | i think the clue here is s-video | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | hdmi can do much better | 11:42 |
| dm8tbr | on mobile I think WP started out with that? | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | in games, at least | 11:42 |
| dm8tbr | and their consistent graphics performance is respectable | 11:42 |
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| cypa1 | Hi | 15:21 |
| cypa1 | what about powervr vidoedriver? | 15:21 |
| cypa1 | just installed nemomobile onto Asus X101CH netbook | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | mer doesn't have hardware adaptations | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:21 |
| cypa1 | wuuueh | 15:22 |
| cypa1 | OK, go trying vesa | 15:22 |
| cypa1 | have to reboot to do so | 15:22 |
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| cypa1 | you wait - I'll be back 8-) | 15:23 |
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