jpwhiting | hmm, waiting for kdelibs to go from finished to succeeded on obs is like watching water boil :) | 00:02 |
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davidqi | when will the next version of mer release? | 01:46 |
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davidqi | does anyone know how to search installed packages in mer? | 02:39 |
[ol] | rpm -qa 'PATTERN' | 02:40 |
[ol] | Like: rpm -qa 'python-*' | 02:41 |
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situ | Morning all | 03:50 |
chriadam | gmorning | 03:52 |
situ | What's up ? | 03:52 |
chriadam | not much, writing code and trying to figure out why XEmbed is such a pain | 03:54 |
situ | What part of Nemo you work on ? | 03:56 |
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Stskeeps | good morning junji | 06:06 |
JunJi | Stskeeps, wow I'm just about to close this channel cuz I thought here isn't for libhybris | 06:07 |
Stskeeps | ah, it is sort of | 06:08 |
Stskeeps | we discuss it here too :P | 06:08 |
JunJi | yeah that's great, I really feel sorry that we couldn't many conversations after my group decided to quit meego | 06:09 |
JunJi | and I was on another task not about porting platform but it was about gstreamer :( | 06:10 |
Stskeeps | no problem, things change at work :) | 06:10 |
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Stskeeps | i now work not with meego/nokia, i work with a company called jolla | 06:10 |
Stskeeps | we continued the good work done in meego though and made it better, on core side together with many others making Mer, and seperately working on UI | 06:11 |
JunJi | I remember that you introduced me about this mer project, is this from the company jolla? | 06:11 |
JunJi | ah | 06:12 |
JunJi | yes, I remember you said Mer is similar with webos | 06:12 |
Stskeeps | mer's an independent project, but many from jolla work in it | 06:13 |
JunJi | ha, so what do you spend your time mostly for? | 06:13 |
Stskeeps | hehe, i work all day ;) i have many projects, mer core work, libhybris - i do research :) | 06:14 |
JunJi | yes.. it must not be easy for you to pick only one haha.. | 06:15 |
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Stskeeps | anyway, feel free to hang out here and learn more, i need to have my breakfast now :) it's good seeing you again | 06:16 |
JunJi | i don't know her irc nick but she is the person adapted libhybris on our mobile phone beautifully. | 06:16 |
Stskeeps | probably koala, there's a lot of very interesting uses of libhybris out there - people got it working on many different android drivers | 06:17 |
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Stskeeps | which i'm happy to see - it was a crazy idea in the first place | 06:17 |
JunJi | yeah thanks for the kind words I think I should do because my new task is to estimate how long it will take to develop a libhybris-like module for video | 06:17 |
Stskeeps | as in video decoding? | 06:17 |
JunJi | yes, for video dec/enc both | 06:18 |
JunJi | the target will be one of lg's latest mobiles | 06:18 |
Stskeeps | just wire up openmax i guess | 06:19 |
JunJi | msm8960 | 06:19 |
JunJi | exactly | 06:19 |
Stskeeps | just needs a bit of stubs i think, autogenerated based on headers | 06:20 |
Stskeeps | take a look at how i did libGLESv2 i guess | 06:20 |
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JunJi | is the also a wrapper library? | 06:22 |
Stskeeps | yeah | 06:22 |
Stskeeps | remember libhybris is basically a "dlopen" that works for android libraries and then it starts making sense how to make wrappers for it | 06:22 |
JunJi | ok i'll check that thanks. if you just think about it for like 10 seconds, how long time do you think 'common developers' (not experts like you! :)) need for omx wrapper lib? | 06:26 |
JunJi | (we multiplied 3 to the time you mentioned you need for the wayland) | 06:26 |
Stskeeps | if you realize how it's built and you can test OMX libraries, maybe a week? | 06:26 |
Stskeeps | dunno :) | 06:27 |
JunJi | hahaha... that must be a joke | 06:27 |
JunJi | if I report my boss 'a week' then he will report it to his boss and his boss and will do that to his boss and.... | 06:28 |
JunJi | after a week i'll be fired | 06:28 |
Stskeeps | hehe | 06:28 |
Stskeeps | well i'm not kidding really, i wrote the GLESv2 wrapper in a day after finding out how to generate stub methods from GLESv2 headers, then wire it up with dlsym and then test it with omx test tools | 06:29 |
Stskeeps | so ok, maybe a month if you want to do it really production and can do shiny demos | 06:29 |
JunJi | I have aurora forum's omx code which is for qualcomm chip specified omx features and.. | 06:29 |
JunJi | hmm.. ok i'll take that seriously | 06:30 |
Stskeeps | but just be aware that libhybris is bleeding edge and the public version doesn't take care of wayland and so on, multiple processes is the very hard part | 06:30 |
Stskeeps | for single process it's simpler | 06:30 |
JunJi | yeah, she explained us that point | 06:32 |
Stskeeps | so it's better to get the building blocks working | 06:32 |
Stskeeps | and then make decisions on how to make ui and so on top | 06:32 |
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JunJi | ah ok thanks for the tips, i'll tell her :) | 06:38 |
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Stskeeps | PMG: could you tell me more about the source of network time plugin? | 06:50 |
Stskeeps | and if we've tried to re-upstream it | 06:50 |
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PMG | Stskeeps: the network time sources are based on the ofono nettime example (ofono/examples/nettime.c), and I picked some ideas from a proposed but not accepted network plugin discussed here: http://lists.ofono.org/pipermail/ofono/2011-January/007437.html | 06:58 |
PMG | The latter should probably be mentioned in the commit log - will change | 06:59 |
PMG | I have not tried to upstream the network time plugin yet, but my intention is to do that. | 06:59 |
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Stskeeps | PMG: OK | 07:00 |
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PMG | The plugin itself is quite simple: it exposes the signal NetworkTimeChanged() and method GetNetworkTime() through DBus. | 07:01 |
PMG | The signal is sent when oFono receives cellular network time (NITZ) information | 07:02 |
PMG | The method can be used to query the last received network time | 07:02 |
PMG | ... which will be an empty array if network time is not available | 07:03 |
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Stskeeps | ok | 07:03 |
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Stskeeps | well, convince the ofono guys too :) | 07:03 |
PMG | Stskeeps: based on the oFono mailing lists, that may take some effort :) | 07:05 |
Stskeeps | :nod: | 07:05 |
jonwil | am I the only one who thinks that the ofono source code was made hard-to-understand on purpose? | 07:09 |
Stskeeps | jonwil: i think that just stems from the glib usage | 07:09 |
Stskeeps | :P | 07:09 |
jonwil | It also stems from the complete lack of documentation around | 07:10 |
jonwil | in the N900 driver in particular | 07:10 |
jonwil | i.e. its like it was written in a way that supports what was needed but does as much as possible to not document how it actually works | 07:10 |
Stskeeps | that i don't know | 07:11 |
vsrinivas | oh? | 07:11 |
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PMG | jonwil: I agree with the poor documentation (except for existing DBus API), it took me a while to get going even when I had a working example and did a really simple plugin | 07:16 |
jonwil | Thankfully there are parts of the N900 cellular modem interface that ARE documented enough to be useful | 07:18 |
jonwil | not the SIM interface though :( | 07:19 |
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vsrinivas | the n9 any better? | 07:27 |
jonwil | The N9 is (from what I can see) even less documented than the N900 | 07:27 |
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VDVsx | Stskeeps, can new qmf still go in current mer pre-release ? :D | 07:49 |
Stskeeps | yes, waiting for build checks | 07:50 |
Sage | lbt: well I'm "happy" that fedora isn't the only one having problems with the mount ;) | 07:54 |
lbt | Sage: yep - would like to know why but happy you got a fix | 07:56 |
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Sage | https://build.merproject.org/project/show?project=nemo%3Adevel%3Amw <- lbt phaeron: why build results are not showing for me? | 08:40 |
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Sage | lbt: mer obs latest isn't updated it seems? | 08:41 |
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Sage | mer cobs that is | 08:42 |
lbt | MDS ? | 08:42 |
Sage | latest mer release in build.merproject.org | 08:42 |
lbt | yeah, my bad | 08:42 |
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auri__ | henrik_: ping | 09:06 |
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henrik_ | auri__: pong | 09:10 |
Sage | phaeron: have you noted if mic has option not to add partitions to fstab that are in .ks file? | 09:10 |
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auri__ | henrik_: about the SDK web interface.. how do you fetch the list of supported toolchains? | 09:10 |
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henrik_ | auri__: sdk-manage --toolchain --list") | 09:12 |
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auri__ | thnx | 09:15 |
henrik_ | np | 09:15 |
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bfederau | Which release version is Mer:fake:Core:armv7l at the moment on the OBS? 0.20121115.1 or 0.20121224.1 ? Because I saw that the latest-release has changed last week on http://releases.merproject.org/releases/ | 09:35 |
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lbt | bfederau: latest is 0.20121224.1 on meego cobs | 09:38 |
lbt | not mer cobs | 09:39 |
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bfederau | lbt: thanks | 09:40 |
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Sage | lbt: can you update also in mer-cobs as the release there causes fails and I can't promote couple of packages. Also meego cobs publisher seems a bit stuck? | 10:31 |
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phaeron | Sage: not that I know of, why would you need that ? | 11:38 |
Sage | because of legacy reasons :/ | 11:38 |
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Sage | u-boot on n900 expects 3 partitions on the sd card and we only use two thus one entry there is something that could be removed and just make one very small partition there | 11:39 |
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phaeron | hmm | 11:52 |
phaeron | Sage: mic depends on pykickstart to parse and execute kickstart commands | 11:52 |
phaeron | Sage: we'd have to hack that | 11:52 |
Stskeeps | phaeron: do we have auto-QA results for mer snapshot btw | 11:59 |
Stskeeps | ? | 11:59 |
sledges | is ethtool part of mer ? | 12:00 |
Stskeeps | isn't it in net-tools? | 12:00 |
sledges | nope http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-core/net-tools.git;a=blob;f=net-tools.spec;h=0d686b216b4ef2ffb5bd111be486b3d3d83db141;hb=master | 12:02 |
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sledges | what I'm missing is a full-text search on OBS and `zypper wp` (apt-file equivalent) working | 12:04 |
sledges | zypper what-provides never worked for me :{ | 12:05 |
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phaeron | Stskeeps: not yet , soon | 12:10 |
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Stskeeps | ok | 12:12 |
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sledges | if needs be: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=ethtool&project=home:sledge:Mer:Tools | 12:49 |
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Sfiet_Konstantin | Hello :) | 13:22 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | simple question: how are accelerometer managed in Linux | 13:22 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | (Mer in particularly) | 13:22 |
Stskeeps | it depends from hw to hw | 13:22 |
Stskeeps | in mer, it's sensorfw | 13:23 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | I mean, in which level ? | 13:23 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | so a Daemon ? | 13:23 |
Stskeeps | yeah | 13:23 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | how it is translated to the display ? | 13:23 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | like, to X | 13:23 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | does it call xrandr to rotate the view ? | 13:23 |
Stskeeps | apps read the value and rotate themselves accordingily | 13:23 |
Stskeeps | in nemo especially | 13:23 |
Stskeeps | xrandr is too slow | 13:23 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | so, in nemo, it is Qt that do that ? | 13:23 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | or mcompositor maybe ? | 13:24 |
Stskeeps | typically qml components themselves | 13:24 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | ok | 13:24 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | interesting | 13:24 |
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Sage | phaeron: let mw know how it goes with sr's | 13:24 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | will need to find how to plug sensorsfw to the accelerometer in the iconia | 13:24 |
Stskeeps | lpotter may be able to help when he's awake | 13:24 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | btw Stskeeps, you were right, the x86 adaptation kernel was not enough for radeon | 13:25 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | I needed to recompile it | 13:25 |
Stskeeps | :nod: | 13:25 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | at least I learnt how to customize a kernel | 13:25 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | and the OBS helps so much | 13:25 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | on the thinkpad it would have taken several days to compile / recompile mesa and kernel stuff | 13:25 |
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Sfiet_Konstantin | speaking about OBS, how are arch (!= x86) managed on OBS ? | 13:26 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | scratchbox (qemu) ? | 13:26 |
Stskeeps | sb2, qemu | 13:27 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | there is no specific ARM machine that do the compilation so | 13:28 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | :( | 13:28 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | well ... that's normal :D | 13:28 |
Stskeeps | correct, it doesn't make sense to do so | 13:29 |
Stskeeps | i can buy raw machine power instead of managing my own ARM board set | 13:29 |
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Sfiet_Konstantin | does specific ARM machines even exist actually ? | 13:30 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | I heard of them, but don't know if there are some ARM CPU that are designed for raw power | 13:31 |
Stskeeps | yes, they do | 13:31 |
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Sfiet_Konstantin | k | 13:32 |
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sledges | on orientation sensors: when they are missing (or not configger), lipstick is deciding whatever it wants about apps' orientation :{ | 13:36 |
sledges | (or the compositor maybe) | 13:37 |
sledges | app starts as portrait, then turns to landscape, then when minimised appears portrait in the apps' screen etc | 13:37 |
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* sledges remembers this behaviour hasn't been productised even in Harmattan, when I unlocked home/apps screens' orientation via a hack in a .css file | 13:39 | |
Sfiet_Konstantin | the problem is that the iconia is landscape by default | 13:40 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | that's not very nice for nemo | 13:40 |
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sledges | same here on pandaboard | 13:41 |
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Sfiet_Konstantin | ... | 13:50 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | hum ... | 13:51 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | the screen of the iconia is just displaying white noise ... | 13:51 |
Stskeeps | you have no idea how nice that is at times | 13:53 |
Stskeeps | :P | 13:53 |
CosmoHill | iconia? | 13:54 |
Bostik | displaying *anything* :) | 13:54 |
Bostik | it means that at least something is doing right | 13:54 |
Stskeeps | Bostik: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/fb0 and it actually shows something | 13:55 |
Stskeeps | :P | 13:55 |
CosmoHill | don't make me try that | 13:55 |
Bostik | yeah, raw noise which averages to dark gray | 13:55 |
CosmoHill | I once dumped /dev/urandom into irc :/ | 13:55 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | :D | 13:56 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | well | 13:56 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | there is something wrong in the process | 13:56 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | kernel > libdrm > mesa > xfree-drv-ati | 13:56 |
Bostik | I think I once symlinked "some-random-hot-movie-rip.mpg" under webroot to /dev/urandom | 13:56 |
CosmoHill | http://black-flag.co.uk/lfs-qdb/?id=27 | 13:57 |
Bostik | I know, I know... evil on multiple levels... | 13:57 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | CosmoHill: Iconia tab W500, a x86 tablet with AMD fusion and an AMD GPU of cause | 13:57 |
slaine | I've an AMD tablet here actually | 13:58 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | pretty CosmoHill | 13:58 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | slaine: working under mer ? | 13:58 |
slaine | Sfiet_Konstantin: not yet | 13:58 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | with OSS radeon driver working ? | 13:58 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | well, I have some stuff packaged if you want | 13:58 |
slaine | radeon working out of the box with F17 | 13:58 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | yeah, but mer is not F17 :P | 13:59 |
CosmoHill | Bostik: one day all the bits will fall into place and it will be a hot video | 13:59 |
CosmoHill | like monkeys, typewriters and shakespear | 13:59 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | CosmoHill: true | 13:59 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | :D | 13:59 |
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Bostik | CosmoHill: yeah, in an infinite universe... sometime | 14:07 |
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Sfiet_Konstantin | come on, Iconia, | 17:20 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | why is your KMS not working :( ? | 17:21 |
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rcg | lbt, how come that a project may be stuck in "state needs recalculation"? | 19:49 |
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Aard | qlist | 20:15 |
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lbt | Stskeeps: I'm going to add the libsolv-tools binaries to the accel lua rules | 21:39 |
lbt | I suspect the probs we've been seeing are due to the changes in libsolv between target and SDK | 21:39 |
lbt | I think a 'proper' solution is to use -t tools | 21:41 |
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[ol] | Where is git repo containing mer-sdk-chroot script? | 22:05 |
lbt | [ol]: https://github.com/mer-tools/sdk-setup/ | 22:05 |
[ol] | I have a better solution for mounting SDK in recent Linux systems (which make mounts as shared by default). | 22:05 |
lbt | OK | 22:06 |
lbt | do you know why the --bind is shared by default now? | 22:06 |
[ol] | Defaults in kernel have changed, I presume. | 22:07 |
lbt | wasn't sure if it was kernel side or mount package | 22:07 |
[ol] | I don't know, actually. | 22:08 |
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[ol] | Is there a version of sdk-setup hosted on review.merproject.org? I'd like to post my changes for review. | 22:11 |
lbt | no, we use github for Mer:Tools | 22:12 |
lbt | I'm working on improving how we handle packaging of our code | 22:12 |
lbt | Tools is where I was exploring this | 22:12 |
lbt | its still a WIP | 22:13 |
[ol] | I've made a version which doesn't care about shared or private mounts in system, makes no changes to global state and does everything in a private namespace. No more "mount" and "umount" commands. | 22:13 |
[ol] | Just mer-sdk-chroot [command args...] | 22:13 |
lbt | OK, I'd be interested to see it - github fork is fine | 22:13 |
[ol] | I have no github account and I'm reluctand to create one. | 22:14 |
lbt | or just pastebin it | 22:14 |
lbt | FWIW I'm also looking at gitlabhq | 22:14 |
lbt | which allows us to run a git on mer infra | 22:14 |
lbt | see git.merproject.org | 22:14 |
lbt | that is an experimental installation - but you should be able to login using ldap mer credentials | 22:15 |
lbt | I may have to add you to a group | 22:15 |
[ol] | Logged in. "There are no projects you have access to." | 22:15 |
lbt | can you make one? | 22:16 |
[ol] | Project name? | 22:16 |
[ol] | "sdk-setup"? | 22:16 |
lbt | want to clone sdk-setup and modify ? | 22:16 |
[ol] | Sure. | 22:17 |
lbt | FWIW I think we'll be keeping Mer:Tools on github for a few months yet | 22:17 |
[ol] | Error 500. "GitLab was unable to access your Gitolite system." | 22:17 |
lbt | *g* | 22:17 |
lbt | this service isn't quite ready and I don't have bandwidth to manage it | 22:17 |
lbt | as you see :) | 22:17 |
lbt | sorry | 22:18 |
lbt | rather surprised | 22:18 |
[ol] | OK, I can just mail a patch. Is there a mailing list? | 22:18 |
lbt | yes | 22:18 |
lbt | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Mailing_lists | 22:18 |
[ol] | OK, sent subscription request. Waiting for greylisting to expire. | 22:23 |
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lbt | great | 22:24 |
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shmerl | Aren't they memory mapped? So if you force endianness - they might not work. | 22:49 |
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lbt | reading up - it looks like there's a perf hit | 22:50 |
lbt | but it works | 22:50 |
lbt | OTOH if sb2 handles it properly then we don't care | 22:50 |
lbt | I think the issue is that our new zypper delegates work (via libsolv) to an executable | 22:51 |
lbt | zypper is caught by the sb2 rules and runs as x86 in an ARM target | 22:51 |
lbt | the spawned executable not so much | 22:52 |
shmerl | Is ARM big endian in general? | 22:53 |
lbt | yes | 22:53 |
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ftonello | does anyone knows why, even if I compiled qt with opengl es, a .pro(qt project) that has a config += opengl qmake uses -lGL -lGLU insetad of -lGLES_v2 ? | 23:17 |
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rcg | ftonello, it looks like qmake "knows" what opengl version you have installed | 23:22 |
rcg | or the specific qt version was linked against | 23:23 |
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rcg | just ran qmake on the very same .pro file once from inside the mer-sdk and once from my normal os | 23:23 |
rcg | when run from inside the sdk i get GLESv2 | 23:23 |
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rcg | when run from my normal os i get GL | 23:23 |
rcg | so i guess there is some problem with your sdk setup | 23:23 |
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ftonello | rcg: i configured Qt to be installed with -opengl es2 | 23:24 |
ftonello | i guess you need to specify QT += opengles2 | 23:24 |
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ftonello | check /home/felipe/projects/willow-build-1.0/tmp/sysroots/g2/usr/share/qt4/mkspecs/features/unix | 23:24 |
ftonello | ops | 23:24 |
ftonello | usr/share/qt4/mkspecs/features/unix | 23:24 |
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rcg | ftonello, just greped for opengles2 but couldn't find it anywhere | 23:25 |
rcg | as said, i used it on the very same .pro file | 23:26 |
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rcg | only difference were the qt versions used | 23:26 |
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rcg | does it work for you with that set? | 23:27 |
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ftonello | rcg: since I compiled qt with opengles2 version it seems that usr/share/qt4/mkspecs/features/unix/opengl.prf has this option: | 23:27 |
ftonello | contains(QT_CONFIG, opengles2) | 23:27 |
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ftonello | and the correct openGLES2 flags | 23:28 |
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rcg | so is it working? | 23:28 |
ftonello | testing | 23:28 |
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rcg | as said, i have no special setting in the project file here | 23:29 |
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ftonello | rcg: yes, qt should be smart enought to know the qt configuration not the specifc project.. | 23:29 |
ftonello | or maybe thats done on purpose | 23:29 |
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rcg | if it still doesn't work, i'd double check that your custom compiled qt got installed properly and in the right place | 23:30 |
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rcg | don't know actually | 23:30 |
rcg | just did the very simple test here ;) | 23:30 |
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ftonello | rcg: yes, its including -lEGL now | 23:31 |
ftonello | but its still wired | 23:31 |
rcg | alright | 23:31 |
ftonello | it doesnt include QtOpenGL include directory | 23:31 |
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rcg | gtg | 23:33 |
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lbt | niqt_: ping - can you fix your client please | 23:54 |
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