Thursday, 2013-01-17

jpwhitinghmm, waiting for kdelibs to go from finished to succeeded on obs is like watching water boil :)00:02
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davidqiwhen will the next version of mer release?01:46
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davidqidoes anyone know how to search installed packages in mer?02:39
[ol]rpm -qa 'PATTERN'02:40
[ol]Like: rpm -qa 'python-*'02:41
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situMorning all03:50
situWhat's up ?03:52
chriadamnot much, writing code and trying to figure out why XEmbed is such a pain03:54
situWhat part of Nemo you work on ?03:56
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Stskeepsgood morning junji06:06
JunJiStskeeps, wow I'm just about to close this channel cuz I thought here isn't for libhybris06:07
Stskeepsah, it is sort of06:08
Stskeepswe discuss it here too :P06:08
JunJiyeah that's great, I really feel sorry that we couldn't many conversations after my group decided to quit meego06:09
JunJiand I was on another task not about porting platform but it was about gstreamer :(06:10
Stskeepsno problem, things change at work :)06:10
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Stskeepsi now work not with meego/nokia, i work with a company called jolla06:10
Stskeepswe continued the good work done in meego though and made it better, on core side together with many others making Mer, and seperately working on UI06:11
JunJiI remember that you introduced me about this mer project, is this from the company jolla?06:11
JunJiyes, I remember you said Mer is similar with webos06:12
Stskeepsmer's an independent project, but many from jolla work in it06:13
JunJiha, so what do you spend your time mostly for?06:13
Stskeepshehe, i work all day ;) i have many projects, mer core work, libhybris - i do research :)06:14
JunJiyes.. it must not be easy for you to pick only one haha..06:15
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Stskeepsanyway, feel free to hang out here and learn more, i need to have my breakfast now :) it's good seeing you again06:16
JunJii don't know her irc nick but she is the person adapted libhybris on our mobile phone beautifully.06:16
Stskeepsprobably koala, there's a lot of very interesting uses of libhybris out there - people got it working on many different android drivers06:17
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Stskeepswhich i'm happy to see - it was a crazy idea in the first place06:17
JunJiyeah thanks for the kind words I think I should do because my new task is to estimate how long it will take to develop a libhybris-like module for video06:17
Stskeepsas in video decoding?06:17
JunJiyes, for video dec/enc both06:18
JunJithe target will be one of lg's latest mobiles06:18
Stskeepsjust wire up openmax i guess06:19
Stskeepsjust needs a bit of stubs i think, autogenerated based on headers06:20
Stskeepstake a look at how i did libGLESv2 i guess06:20
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JunJiis the also a wrapper library?06:22
Stskeepsremember libhybris is basically a "dlopen" that works for android libraries and then it starts making sense how to make wrappers for it06:22
JunJiok i'll check that thanks. if you just think about it for like 10 seconds, how long time do you think 'common developers' (not experts like you! :)) need for omx wrapper lib?06:26
JunJi(we multiplied 3 to the time you mentioned you need for the wayland)06:26
Stskeepsif you realize how it's built and you can test OMX libraries, maybe a week?06:26
Stskeepsdunno :)06:27
JunJihahaha... that must be a joke06:27
JunJiif I report my boss 'a week' then he will report it to his boss and his boss and will do that to his boss and....06:28
JunJiafter a week i'll be fired06:28
Stskeepswell i'm not kidding really, i wrote the GLESv2 wrapper in a day after finding out how to generate stub methods from GLESv2 headers, then wire it up with dlsym and then test it with omx test tools06:29
Stskeepsso ok, maybe a month if you want to do it really production and can do shiny demos06:29
JunJiI have aurora forum's omx code which is for qualcomm chip specified omx features and..06:29
JunJihmm.. ok i'll take that seriously06:30
Stskeepsbut just be aware that libhybris is bleeding edge and the public version doesn't take care of wayland and so on, multiple processes is the very hard part06:30
Stskeepsfor single process it's simpler06:30
JunJiyeah, she explained us that point06:32
Stskeepsso it's better to get the building blocks working06:32
Stskeepsand then make decisions on how to make ui and so on top06:32
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JunJiah ok thanks for the tips, i'll tell her :)06:38
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StskeepsPMG: could you tell me more about the source of network time plugin?06:50
Stskeepsand if we've tried to re-upstream it06:50
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PMGStskeeps: the network time sources are based on the ofono nettime example (ofono/examples/nettime.c), and I picked some ideas from a proposed but not accepted network plugin discussed here:
PMGThe latter should probably be mentioned in the commit log - will change06:59
PMGI have not tried to upstream the network time plugin yet, but my intention is to do that.06:59
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StskeepsPMG: OK07:00
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PMGThe plugin itself is quite simple: it exposes the signal NetworkTimeChanged() and method GetNetworkTime() through DBus.07:01
PMGThe signal is sent when oFono receives cellular network time (NITZ) information07:02
PMGThe method can be used to query the last received network time07:02
PMG... which will be an empty array if network time is not available07:03
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Stskeepswell, convince the ofono guys too :)07:03
PMGStskeeps: based on the oFono mailing lists, that may take some effort :)07:05
jonwilam I the only one who thinks that the ofono source code was made hard-to-understand on purpose?07:09
Stskeepsjonwil: i think that just stems from the glib usage07:09
jonwilIt also stems from the complete lack of documentation around07:10
jonwilin the N900 driver in particular07:10
jonwili.e. its like it was written in a way that supports what was needed but does as much as possible to not document how it actually works07:10
Stskeepsthat i don't know07:11
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PMGjonwil: I agree with the poor documentation (except for existing DBus API), it took me a while to get going even when I had a working example and did a really simple plugin07:16
jonwilThankfully there are parts of the N900 cellular modem interface that ARE documented enough to be useful07:18
jonwilnot the SIM interface though :(07:19
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vsrinivasthe n9 any better?07:27
jonwilThe N9 is (from what I can see) even less documented than the N90007:27
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VDVsxStskeeps, can new qmf still go in current mer pre-release ? :D07:49
Stskeepsyes, waiting for build checks07:50
Sagelbt: well I'm "happy" that fedora isn't the only one having problems with the mount ;)07:54
lbtSage: yep - would like to know why but happy you got a fix07:56
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Sage <- lbt phaeron: why build results are not showing for me?08:40
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Sagelbt: mer obs latest isn't updated it seems?08:41
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Sagemer cobs that is08:42
lbtMDS ?08:42
Sagelatest mer release in build.merproject.org08:42
lbtyeah, my bad08:42
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auri__henrik_: ping09:06
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henrik_auri__: pong09:10
Sagephaeron: have you noted if mic has option not to add partitions to fstab that are in .ks file?09:10
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auri__henrik_: about the SDK web interface.. how do you fetch the list of supported toolchains?09:10
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henrik_auri__: sdk-manage --toolchain --list")09:12
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bfederauWhich release version is Mer:fake:Core:armv7l at the moment on the OBS? 0.20121115.1 or 0.20121224.1 ? Because I saw that the latest-release  has changed last week on
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lbtbfederau: latest is 0.20121224.1 on meego cobs09:38
lbtnot mer cobs09:39
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bfederaulbt: thanks09:40
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Sagelbt: can you update also in mer-cobs as the release there causes fails and I can't promote couple of packages. Also meego cobs publisher seems a bit stuck?10:31
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phaeronSage: not that I know of, why would you need that ?11:38
Sagebecause of legacy reasons :/11:38
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Sageu-boot on n900 expects 3 partitions on the sd card and we only use two thus one entry there is something that could be removed and just make one very small partition there11:39
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phaeronSage: mic depends on pykickstart to parse and execute kickstart commands11:52
phaeronSage: we'd have to hack that11:52
Stskeepsphaeron: do we have auto-QA results for mer snapshot btw11:59
sledgesis ethtool part of mer ?12:00
Stskeepsisn't it in net-tools?12:00
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sledgeswhat I'm missing is a full-text search on OBS and `zypper wp` (apt-file equivalent) working12:04
sledgeszypper what-provides never worked for me :{12:05
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phaeronStskeeps: not yet , soon12:10
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sledgesif needs be:
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Sfiet_KonstantinHello :)13:22
Sfiet_Konstantinsimple question: how are accelerometer managed in Linux13:22
Sfiet_Konstantin(Mer in particularly)13:22
Stskeepsit depends from hw to hw13:22
Stskeepsin mer, it's sensorfw13:23
Sfiet_KonstantinI mean, in which level ?13:23
Sfiet_Konstantinso a Daemon ?13:23
Sfiet_Konstantinhow it is translated to the display ?13:23
Sfiet_Konstantinlike, to X13:23
Sfiet_Konstantindoes it call xrandr to rotate the view ?13:23
Stskeepsapps read the value and rotate themselves accordingily13:23
Stskeepsin nemo especially13:23
Stskeepsxrandr is too slow13:23
Sfiet_Konstantinso, in nemo, it is Qt that do that ?13:23
Sfiet_Konstantinor mcompositor maybe ?13:24
Stskeepstypically qml components themselves13:24
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Sagephaeron: let mw know how it goes with sr's13:24
Sfiet_Konstantinwill need to find how to plug sensorsfw to the accelerometer in the iconia13:24
Stskeepslpotter may be able to help when he's awake13:24
Sfiet_Konstantinbtw Stskeeps, you were right, the x86 adaptation kernel was not enough for radeon13:25
Sfiet_KonstantinI needed to recompile it13:25
Sfiet_Konstantinat least I learnt how to customize a kernel13:25
Sfiet_Konstantinand the OBS helps so much13:25
Sfiet_Konstantinon the thinkpad it would have taken several days to compile / recompile mesa and kernel stuff13:25
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Sfiet_Konstantinspeaking about OBS, how are arch (!= x86) managed on OBS ?13:26
Sfiet_Konstantinscratchbox (qemu) ?13:26
Stskeepssb2, qemu13:27
Sfiet_Konstantinthere is no specific ARM machine that do the compilation so13:28
Sfiet_Konstantinwell ... that's normal :D13:28
Stskeepscorrect, it doesn't make sense to do so13:29
Stskeepsi can buy raw machine power instead of managing my own ARM board set13:29
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Sfiet_Konstantindoes specific ARM machines even exist actually ?13:30
Sfiet_KonstantinI heard of them, but don't know if there are some ARM CPU that are designed for raw power13:31
Stskeepsyes, they do13:31
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sledgeson orientation sensors: when they are missing (or not configger), lipstick is deciding whatever it wants about apps' orientation :{13:36
sledges(or the compositor maybe)13:37
sledgesapp starts as portrait, then turns to landscape, then when minimised appears portrait in the apps' screen etc13:37
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* sledges remembers this behaviour hasn't been productised even in Harmattan, when I unlocked home/apps screens' orientation via a hack in a .css file13:39
Sfiet_Konstantinthe problem is that the iconia is landscape by default13:40
Sfiet_Konstantinthat's not very nice for nemo13:40
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sledgessame here on pandaboard13:41
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Sfiet_Konstantinhum ...13:51
Sfiet_Konstantinthe screen of the iconia is just displaying white noise ...13:51
Stskeepsyou have no idea how nice that is at times13:53
Bostikdisplaying *anything* :)13:54
Bostikit means that at least something is doing right13:54
StskeepsBostik: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/fb0 and it actually shows something13:55
CosmoHilldon't make me try that13:55
Bostikyeah, raw noise which averages to dark gray13:55
CosmoHillI once dumped /dev/urandom into irc :/13:55
Sfiet_Konstantinthere is something wrong in the process13:56
Sfiet_Konstantinkernel > libdrm > mesa > xfree-drv-ati13:56
BostikI think I once symlinked "some-random-hot-movie-rip.mpg" under webroot to /dev/urandom13:56
BostikI know, I know... evil on multiple levels...13:57
Sfiet_KonstantinCosmoHill: Iconia tab W500, a x86 tablet with AMD fusion and an AMD GPU of cause13:57
slaineI've an AMD tablet here actually13:58
Sfiet_Konstantinpretty CosmoHill13:58
Sfiet_Konstantinslaine: working under mer ?13:58
slaineSfiet_Konstantin: not yet13:58
Sfiet_Konstantinwith OSS radeon driver working ?13:58
Sfiet_Konstantinwell, I have some stuff packaged if you want13:58
slaineradeon working out of the box with F1713:58
Sfiet_Konstantinyeah, but mer is not F17 :P13:59
CosmoHillBostik: one day all the bits will fall into place and  it will be a hot video13:59
CosmoHilllike monkeys, typewriters and shakespear13:59
Sfiet_KonstantinCosmoHill: true13:59
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BostikCosmoHill: yeah, in an infinite universe... sometime14:07
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Sfiet_Konstantincome on, Iconia,17:20
Sfiet_Konstantinwhy is your KMS not working :( ?17:21
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* CosmoHill wonders if he should go rpm or rpm518:31
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rcglbt, how come that a project may be stuck in "state needs recalculation"?19:49
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lbtStskeeps: I'm going to add the libsolv-tools binaries to the accel lua rules21:39
lbtI suspect the probs we've been seeing are due to the changes in libsolv between target and SDK21:39
lbtI think a 'proper' solution is to use -t tools21:41
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[ol]Where is git repo containing mer-sdk-chroot script?22:05
[ol]I have a better solution for mounting SDK in recent Linux systems (which make mounts as shared by default).22:05
lbtdo you know why the --bind is shared by default now?22:06
[ol]Defaults in kernel have changed, I presume.22:07
lbtwasn't sure if it was kernel side or mount package22:07
[ol]I don't know, actually.22:08
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[ol]Is there a version of sdk-setup hosted on I'd like to post my changes for review.22:11
lbtno, we use github for Mer:Tools22:12
lbtI'm working on improving how we handle packaging of our code22:12
lbtTools is where I was exploring this22:12
lbtits still a WIP22:13
[ol]I've made a version which doesn't care about shared or private mounts in system, makes no changes to global state and does everything in a private namespace. No more "mount" and "umount" commands.22:13
[ol]Just mer-sdk-chroot [command args...]22:13
lbtOK, I'd be interested to see it - github fork is fine22:13
[ol]I have no github account and I'm reluctand to create one.22:14
lbtor just pastebin it22:14
lbtFWIW I'm also looking at gitlabhq22:14
lbtwhich allows us to run a git on mer infra22:14
lbtsee git.merproject.org22:14
lbtthat is an experimental installation - but you should be able to login using ldap mer credentials22:15
lbtI may have to add you to a group22:15
[ol]Logged in. "There are no projects you have access to."22:15
lbtcan you make one?22:16
[ol]Project name?22:16
lbtwant to clone sdk-setup and modify ?22:16
lbtFWIW I think we'll be keeping Mer:Tools on github for a few months yet22:17
[ol]Error 500. "GitLab was unable to access your Gitolite system."22:17
lbtthis service isn't quite ready and I don't have bandwidth to manage it22:17
lbtas you see :)22:17
lbtrather surprised22:18
[ol]OK, I can just mail a patch. Is there a mailing list?22:18
[ol]OK, sent subscription request. Waiting for greylisting to expire.22:23
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* lbt wonders if we should hack rpm to force endian-ness of the Berkeley DB files22:48
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shmerlAren't they memory mapped? So if you force endianness - they might not work.22:49
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lbtreading up - it looks like there's a perf hit22:50
lbtbut it works22:50
lbtOTOH if sb2 handles it properly then we don't care22:50
lbtI think the issue is that our new zypper delegates work (via libsolv) to an executable22:51
lbtzypper is caught by the sb2 rules and runs as x86 in an ARM target22:51
lbtthe spawned executable not so much22:52
shmerlIs ARM big endian in general?22:53
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ftonellodoes anyone knows why, even if I compiled qt with opengl es, a .pro(qt project) that has a config += opengl qmake uses -lGL -lGLU insetad of -lGLES_v2 ?23:17
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rcgftonello, it looks like qmake "knows" what opengl version you have installed23:22
rcgor the specific qt version was linked against23:23
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rcgjust ran qmake on the very same .pro file once from inside the mer-sdk and once from my normal os23:23
rcgwhen run from inside the sdk i get GLESv223:23
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rcgwhen run from my normal os i get GL23:23
rcgso i guess there is some problem with your sdk setup23:23
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ftonellorcg: i configured Qt to be installed with -opengl es223:24
ftonelloi guess you need to specify QT += opengles223:24
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ftonellocheck /home/felipe/projects/willow-build-1.0/tmp/sysroots/g2/usr/share/qt4/mkspecs/features/unix23:24
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rcgftonello, just greped for opengles2 but couldn't find it anywhere23:25
rcgas said, i used it on the very same .pro file23:26
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rcgonly difference were the qt versions used23:26
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rcgdoes it work for you with that set?23:27
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ftonellorcg: since I compiled qt with opengles2 version it seems that usr/share/qt4/mkspecs/features/unix/opengl.prf has this option:23:27
ftonellocontains(QT_CONFIG, opengles2)23:27
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ftonelloand the correct openGLES2 flags23:28
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rcgso is it working?23:28
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rcgas said, i have no special setting in the project file here23:29
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ftonellorcg: yes, qt should be smart enought to know the qt configuration not the specifc project..23:29
ftonelloor maybe thats done on purpose23:29
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rcgif it still doesn't work, i'd double check that your custom compiled qt got installed properly and in the right place23:30
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rcgdon't know actually23:30
rcgjust did the very simple test here ;)23:30
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ftonellorcg: yes, its including -lEGL now23:31
ftonellobut its still wired23:31
ftonelloit doesnt include QtOpenGL include directory23:31
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lbtniqt_: ping - can you fix your client please23:54
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