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| Guest85486 | I have installed xbmc. But when I want to install a PVR addon named mythtv,it says cannot connect with sth in windows.Even I cannot install it in android because of "does not have the correct structure".Anyone can help? | 01:16 |
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| CosmoHill | night night | 01:27 |
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| Stskeeps | morn | 05:55 |
| kysse | indeed. | 05:55 |
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| kysse | It's workin' time! | 05:55 |
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| situ | Morning all | 06:04 |
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| chriadam | gmorning | 06:09 |
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| Jonni | morning | 06:12 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/01/16/developer_oursources_job_china/ | 06:13 |
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| lpotter | ha! | 06:18 |
| lpotter | I thought about doing that from time to time | 06:18 |
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| lpotter | but I rather enjoy what I do | 06:25 |
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| Stskeeps | i wouldn't mind on occasion to outsource some grunt work | 06:26 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 06:26 |
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| kontio | hehe reminds me of a finish cartoon (Pasila, for the one which know it), there was a construction site, where the Finns subcontracted Estonians, the Estonians further subcontracted it to Portuguese, the Portuguese subcontracted it to the Chinese, So Finns, Estonians and Portuguese were playing cards and the Chinese were working... | 06:29 |
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| Bostik | morning | 07:01 |
| situ | Morning Bostik | 07:03 |
| Bostik | being up and being awake truly are different things | 07:10 |
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| davidqi | Stskeeps: I found my current mer has wayland compositor installed, can the compositor work well now? | 08:17 |
| Stskeeps | davidqi: you might be able to get it working with qt5-qtwayland-nogl and qt5-qtwayland-nogl-examples | 08:17 |
| Stskeeps | and qwidget compositor | 08:17 |
| Stskeeps | can't help too much with that part though, you'll have to dig into some documentation | 08:18 |
| davidqi | where is the documentation? | 08:18 |
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| Stskeeps | davidqi: https://build.merproject.org/package/files?package=zephyr-session&project=zephyr%3Adevel%3Amw might be good inspiration | 08:21 |
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| Stskeeps | davidqi: this is really bleeding edge stuff so i can't really help you | 08:23 |
| Stskeeps | you just have to dive into sources and other people's uses of it | 08:24 |
| davidqi | ok, thanks a lot. do you think there is expert somewhere who can help me on this? | 08:25 |
| Stskeeps | you'd probably have to get paid consulting from somewhere | 08:25 |
| davidqi | so where? | 08:26 |
| davidqi | do you know some place who can help, even with consult fee? | 08:27 |
| Stskeeps | i think digia probably has experts in that area, but you should be able to figure out how to get qwidget compositor up on your own | 08:27 |
| davidqi | thanks. | 08:28 |
| Stskeeps | isn't that complicated, start with getting qwidget-compositor in /usr/lib/qt5/examples going | 08:29 |
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| lbt | o/ | 09:20 |
| Stskeeps | moo lbt | 09:20 |
| lbt | baa | 09:21 |
| lbt | goddam ... prel | 09:21 |
| lbt | :) | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | snap | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:21 |
| lbt | last night wasn't fun | 09:21 |
| lbt | ok - date? | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | 20130124? | 09:22 |
| lbt | oj | 09:22 |
| lbt | k | 09:22 |
| lbt | *sigh* ... coffee didn't make the fingers yet | 09:22 |
| auri__ | lbt: ping.. | 09:23 |
| lbt | auri__: hey | 09:23 |
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| davidqi | Stskeeps: what do you think if I port xfce to mer, which is using GTK+? | 10:57 |
| lbt | davidqi: you'll need to port any gtk stuff too | 10:58 |
| davidqi | yes, but is it necessary to port the desktop to a device which support opengles 2.0? | 10:59 |
| lbt | davidqi: we won't take gtk into Core - but have no problem with people layering it on top of it | 10:59 |
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| davidqi | I mean, my device does not support opengles 2.0, can I port xfce with mer? | 10:59 |
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| sledges | you can layer it on top of mer, davidqi | 11:00 |
| lbt | that's up to you - if you need gles then you would need sw rendering | 11:00 |
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| davidqi | do you think GTK+ porting to mer is a reasonable workload? and also, after GTK+ porting, how much workload is the porting of XFCE? | 11:02 |
| davidqi | sledges: have you done similar work? | 11:02 |
| slaine | davidqi: There was a project to port the n900 Hildon desktop to Mer, Cordia iirc. | 11:03 |
| slaine | I'm not sure if it's still active | 11:03 |
| sledges | GTK on mobiles reminds me of GPE: http://www.linuxtogo.org/files/20060119163110621_1.png | 11:04 |
| slaine | sledges: good times | 11:04 |
| sledges | but I'm stone-ageing here :) | 11:04 |
| jonwil | Doesn | 11:04 |
| jonwil | Doesn't N900 Hildon Desktop whole system rely on any number of closed blobs? | 11:04 |
| jonwil | Or are there ways around that? | 11:04 |
| sledges | davidqi, I haven't done work of that scale, no | 11:05 |
| leinir | slaine: i'm sure some people think Qt on mobile reminds them of the greenphone ;) | 11:05 |
| Bostik | ooooo, I've used that! | 11:05 |
| slaine | leinir: what was that iPaq env based on KDE ? | 11:06 |
| leinir | Hum... that i don't remember :) | 11:06 |
| davidqi | is there any project porting mer to n900? | 11:06 |
| sledges | that was Opie (Qt) and GPE (GTK), good old iPAQ times | 11:07 |
| phako | davidqi: nemo runs on n900 and is based on mer | 11:08 |
| leinir | sledges: aah yeah, Opie :) | 11:08 |
| davidqi | then, nemo does not need glesv2, right? | 11:08 |
| sledges | Openmoko spat more loads: SHR, QtMoko, Om 200x, ... I think a couple of those are still alive around GTA04 | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | n900 has glesv2 | 11:09 |
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| leinir | QtMoko's alive, yeah :) | 11:09 |
| leinir | but... yeah, what a train wreck that was :P | 11:10 |
| sledges | :}} | 11:10 |
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| veskuh | auri__, have you seen Mer plugin loading failing with "Could not resolve dependency 'Core(2.6.1)'" | 11:13 |
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| lbt | veskuh: make clean | 11:14 |
| lbt | I got that | 11:15 |
| davidqi | Stskeeps: Hildon needs glesv2 also? | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | davidqi: to run effectively | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | you might be able to use razor-qt | 11:15 |
| veskuh | lbt, ah ok. I did make distclean but I guess it was not enough | 11:15 |
| lbt | veskuh: should be even cleaner :) | 11:16 |
| lbt | for me make clean and then qmake -r worked | 11:16 |
| lbt | also - I just tested the x86 sb2 cross chain with an x86 target and that works | 11:17 |
| veskuh | cool | 11:17 |
| slaine | sledges: That was it | 11:18 |
| davidqi | Stskeeps: do you mean, mer + razor-qt + some other window manager , can be a solution for me? | 11:18 |
| Stskeeps | davidqi: possibly, but if you're doing a phone, you should just make a ui from scratch | 11:19 |
| Bostik | lbt: in anything dealing with large Qt source bases, fresh build in git-archive'd tree is a good validation round | 11:19 |
| Bostik | lbt: from personal, painful experience... | 11:19 |
| davidqi | at the same time, opengles 2.0 is not necessary for this solution | 11:19 |
| davidqi | is it , Stskeeps? | 11:19 |
| slaine | That's all getting off the point davidqi, what I was trying to say was there was an effort to port the n900 Hildon desktop, which as I recall, relied on gtk2 and as a result there should be repo's from the cordia project that have gtk2 alreadyt | 11:20 |
| Stskeeps | davidqi: what you'll want to do is to get the infrastructure working and then get a good UI team working to make nice homescreen/apps, etc | 11:20 |
| davidqi | can the "mer + razor-qt + window manager" be the so-called "infrastructure"? | 11:22 |
| Stskeeps | i wouldn't recommend it as a phone infra, it's more of a desktop thing | 11:22 |
| davidqi | yes, a phone function is only part of my device, | 11:23 |
| Stskeeps | i meant, phone/touch UI :) | 11:23 |
| davidqi | my point is, if my device does not support glesv2, (then wayland can not be used), is it possible to use solution above to run a desktop on mer? | 11:25 |
| Stskeeps | davidqi: well, try out razor-qt | 11:25 |
| Stskeeps | moment | 11:25 |
| Stskeeps | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation/N8x0 | 11:25 |
| Stskeeps | davidqi: lists packages/repos for razor-qt | 11:26 |
| Stskeeps | but be aware it looks like http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ZnnmDUxVzPY/TzqW5AzQ4aI/AAAAAAAAHxM/hinwksBc2Mo/s1600/razor-qt-0.4.1.png | 11:27 |
| Stskeeps | (if you can access that) | 11:27 |
| sledges | (i could) | 11:28 |
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| Stskeeps | davidqi: anyway: if you want to do a good low end phone UI, start with qwidget-compositor from qtwayland, customize it to your needs, then make a small bunch of qtquick1 applications | 11:28 |
| davidqi | so cool a desktop | 11:28 |
| Stskeeps | it's hard work to do a phone UI and non-GLESv2 is not exactly what users expect of performance from phones today | 11:29 |
| davidqi | my target is a device with phone basic functionality | 11:30 |
| Stskeeps | so it's possible to make one that only uses SW rendering, but it will probably underperform | 11:30 |
| davidqi | not a phone | 11:30 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 11:30 |
| Stskeeps | and it'll take a lot of effort from your side | 11:30 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 11:30 |
| Stskeeps | then razor-qt might make sense for you | 11:30 |
| davidqi | regarding qtwayland, does it need glesv2 also? | 11:31 |
| Stskeeps | no | 11:31 |
| Stskeeps | it can run in a 'nogl' mode | 11:31 |
| Stskeeps | but it restricts you to qwidget and qtquick1 apps only | 11:31 |
| davidqi | ok, | 11:31 |
| davidqi | now, can I say , there are two solutions: a. use qtwayland / qwidget-compositor, b. use razor-qt, right? | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | is your plan a touch device or a laptop/mouse kind of thing? | 11:32 |
| davidqi | touch device | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | then you should really just make a nice QML interface as you can't use desktop on touch | 11:33 |
| Stskeeps | it's not good UI :) | 11:33 |
| davidqi | what is the matter with touch related things? | 11:33 |
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| davidqi | why is the desktop not used on touch? | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | you can't hit desktop elements easily, they're too small | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | they're meant for mouse usage | 11:35 |
| davidqi | OK | 11:35 |
| davidqi | Can I use qwidget-compositor as desktop? | 11:36 |
| davidqi | o , I ever ran weston on my ubuntu | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | did any of your team ever work with qt? | 11:37 |
| davidqi | and is it true that there is no icon on the compositor support? | 11:37 |
| Stskeeps | because you'll have to do some qt coding to get something useful going | 11:38 |
| davidqi | we ever work with qt on UI application development , on N9 | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 11:38 |
| davidqi | Stskeeps: can I say , there are two solutions: a. begin from qtwayland / qwidget-compositor, b. begin from razor-qt, right? | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | davidqi: i'd suggest a) as it's most future proof | 11:43 |
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| Sage | /usr/bin/ld: can not read symbols: File truncated | 11:59 |
| Sage | /usr/bin/ld: BFD (GNU Binutils) 2.22 internal error, aborting at merge.c line 877 in _bfd_merged_section_offset | 11:59 |
| Sage | /usr/bin/ld: Please report this bug. | 11:59 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: rebuild? :) | 11:59 |
| Sage | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=i586&package=qtcontacts-tracker&project=CE%3AMW%3AShared&repository=Mer_Core_i586 | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | uhh.. | 11:59 |
| Sage | this mer sdk rbind mount problem I'm having is a bit problematic :P | 12:04 |
| Sage | or well, as long as I don't umount anything it works :) | 12:04 |
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| lbt | yunta: webapp accepted to Tools:Testing - please check | 12:20 |
| lbt | then I want to push to Tools and do a rolling snapshot | 12:20 |
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| Sage | lbt: yunta: I ponder why test-definition is in nemo mw, it is in mer tools as well right | 12:23 |
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| yunta | lbt: ok, building image now..... | 12:43 |
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| Sage | https://build.merproject.org/monitor <- where did all the workers go? :) | 13:04 |
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| Sage | https://build.merproject.org/monitor <- where did all the workers go? :) <- lbt | 13:04 |
| Sage | lbt: ps. if you give me access and tell me the way to do it I could also start doing that kind of kicking | 13:05 |
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| VDVsx | Stskeeps, what is the eta for next mer pre-release ? | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | snapshot today, why? | 13:12 |
| VDVsx | have new qmf that I would like in, but not reviewed yet, will be this night only | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 13:16 |
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| yunta | lbt: so, bundle 0.4.0 got accepted in Mer:Tools, and webapp in Mer:Tools:Testing. Mer:Tools:Testing still has bundle 0.3.4. Now image building complains it can't find bundle 0.4.0 although I did include both repos in ks. | 13:31 |
| yunta | I listed Mer:Tools:Testing after Mer:Tools, so is it possible 0.3.4 overlays 0.4.0 ? | 13:32 |
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| kysse | what a fuck is this colored text | 13:33 |
| kysse | stop it | 13:33 |
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| Tm_T | kysse: huh? | 13:46 |
| kysse | Did yunta use somekind of style at his text? | 13:47 |
| sledges | irssi is blue on black here (I know #pandaboard gets coloury at times, so irssi can do colours) | 13:47 |
| sledges | (i.e. my whole terminal is blue on black if anything ;)) | 13:48 |
| kysse | hmm, wtf. It's my hilight options. | 13:48 |
| kysse | nevermind. | 13:48 |
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| yunta | :D | 13:57 |
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| fk_lx | some problems with that virtual machine based Mer SDK: | 19:00 |
| fk_lx | https://www.dropbox.com/s/a7pcmj0fqd0dw5j/vboxsdkerror.png | 19:00 |
| fk_lx | it happened when I've tried to create image using mic (using Zephyr kickstart file from Stskeeps) | 19:01 |
| fk_lx | any ideas what could cause these kind of thing? | 19:02 |
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| Sage | phaeron: there seem to be still some empty responses in the cobs | 19:15 |
| Sage | err.. sry it was the meego cobs actually that returned empty during sync | 19:16 |
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| rcg | btw lbt you are aware that on b.m.o in the webfrontend the build results overview is not displaying correctly? | 20:17 |
| lbt | rcg: yeah I have work to do there | 20:17 |
| rcg | alright, no rush, just checking ;) | 20:18 |
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| lbt | Sage: I'll take that --make-rprivate - but I'm a touch concerned... http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/filesystems/sharedsubtree.txt says "A private mount does not forward or receive propagation. This is the mount we are familiar with. __Its the default type__." | 20:36 |
| lbt | so maybe fedora (or newer kernels) has made --bind no longer default to private | 20:37 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: any reason bash is such an old version? | 20:49 |
| lbt | gpl3? | 20:49 |
| Sage | lbt: ok | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: gpl3 | 20:53 |
| lbt | grr | 20:53 |
| lbt | still, we're looking to include dash for that iirc | 20:53 |
| Sage | busybox ;) | 20:53 |
| lbt | both ? | 20:54 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: yeah, such an old thought that it's mentioned on my whiteboard i left in my own apartment | 20:54 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:54 |
| Stskeeps | i'll get to it.. ome day | 20:54 |
| lbt | bash4 + completeion is nice for SDK | 20:54 |
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| Sage | lbt: based on the doc I don't see there any disadvantage of the --make-rprivate. In normal case it shouldn't do anything and if those mounts are for some reason shared it sets them to private. | 20:57 |
| lbt | agreed - just saying that according to that doc, it shouldn't be needed :) | 20:57 |
| lbt | I accepted it and am testing locally | 20:57 |
| Sage | well I agree that it shouldn't be needed :) | 20:58 |
| Sage | but doing this kind of thing requires safeguards in some places at times | 20:59 |
| lbt | yep - what I'm unhappy about is that it *is* needed for fedora | 20:59 |
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| Sage | Would be nice to hear other bleeding edge distros | 21:00 |
| Sage | with latest kernels etc. | 21:01 |
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| lbt | send an email to ml ? | 21:02 |
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| Sage | sure | 21:14 |
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| sledges | well Mer tab on QtCreator doesn't work on ArchLinux :{ | 21:45 |
| sledges | cannot spawn the WebKit bit due to lib clash | 21:45 |
| lbt | sledges: please log a bug on Mer BZ - there's a component for it | 21:52 |
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| sledges | ah ok, though back in the day I found this Stskeeps told me off that non-Ubuntu is not worth considering though ;P | 22:03 |
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| lbt | well, archlinux isn't going to get the amount of resources aimed at it as debian/ubuntu/fedora/suse | 22:06 |
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| sledges | true, distrowatch.com :)) | 22:15 |
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