Tuesday, 2013-01-15

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* lpotter switches to fluxbox again01:57
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davidqihi03:37
davidqidoes Mer support wayland in current version ?03:38
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wmaroneWayland isn't ready for use by distros yet03:42
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davidqiwill it be supported in next version?03:50
wmaronedavidqi: I suspect it will be supported when the project announces that it is, IIRC only the protocol has hit 1.0 thus far03:51
wmaronethere are certainly demos out there, but only on x8603:51
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Bostikmorning04:27
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kulvewmarone: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Community_Workspace/RaspberryPi#qt5_qml-compositor_and_qtwayland-rpi04:58
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situMorning05:03
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Stskeepsmorn05:56
Stskeepsdavidqi: it'll all be there in the next mer version, at leas05:57
Stskeepst05:57
Stskeepsbut it requires qt5 to really function properly05:57
davidqiStskeeps: thanks your info, you may know, I am now trying to find a desktop for mer,05:58
davidqiin this news, does it mean, that any desktop based on wayland could be possible to run on mer?05:59
Stskeepsyes, but it sometiems requires support from the underlying HW enablers too, especially for gles2/egl06:00
davidqiyes, you ever mentioned last time06:02
davidqiI found some vendors' product does not support gles2, even the cpu does06:03
Stskeepsyes06:03
davidqiso , if gles2 is not supported, can you give a suggestion of desktop for that?06:04
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Stskeepsthen you probably make your own launcher with qtquick206:07
Stskeepserr06:07
Stskeepsqtquick106:07
Stskeepsand compositor in qwidget, i guess06:08
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Stskeepsdavidqi: be aware there's a lot of UI work in this, but it isn't impossible06:13
Stskeepss3c6410 should be a nice kit for this06:14
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Stskeepsdavidqi: you should consider just using xorg initially06:17
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Stskeepsand then move to wayland as things demand it06:23
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davidqiStskeeps: even from Xorg, is it true that the device should support gles2?06:28
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Stskeepss3c6410 supports GLESv2/EGL but samsung has never released the drivers06:28
davidqiyes,06:28
davidqiso even from Xorg, I have to find a device supporting gles2/egl if I want to run desktop on mer, right?06:29
Stskeepssome desktop implementations, yes06:30
davidqino matter the display server is Xorg, or wayland06:30
Stskeepsstart out by making a qml homescreen in qtquick1 as you don't have egl/glesv2, but be aware that this is hard work06:30
Stskeepseven without mer06:30
Stskeepsto make a full non-EGL/GLESv2 system06:30
Stskeepspersonally, i don't want to touch non-EGL/GLESv2 when there's "low pricepoint" things like http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/12/12/49-99-android-4-0-smartphone-powered-by-spreadtrum-sc6820-cortex-a5-soc/06:31
davidqiyes, in my current understanding, the qml homescreen will play a role of compositor, is my understanding correct?06:32
Stskeepsso that's why i focus on glesv2/egl systems myself. making sw rendered systems is probably a nice challenge but i'm not sure it's worth the investment06:32
Stskeepsyes, it can06:32
Stskeepsdoesn't strictly have to06:32
davidqiyes, I see. I will think again the strategy06:33
Stskeepsi wanted to make a phone like that originally (sw rendered) and my strategy was to use qwidget-compositor from qtwayland, qtquick1 applications+homescreen and some way of direct rendering to framebuffer for apps for performance. Probably you'd re-use android panning and gralloc for framebuffer06:34
Stskeepsor similar way to flip pages to a screen06:34
Stskeepsbut it'd be a significant investment that can't easily be brought to more modern handsets and perform there06:34
Stskeepsso, not impossible, just has some impact on architecture that isn't too nice06:35
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davidqiyes, and the cost of device (without gles2/egl) is not that low enough and easy to adapt in many areas, or in another words, it is not worth enough to make this investment, your opinion?06:38
Stskeepsthat's what it's starting to look like, yes - i mean, armv7-a and low end mhz with GLESv2/EGL is cheap at the moment too, i would think06:41
Stskeepsthat's just my own opinion, that it doesn't make sense from architectural or total cost of development to go with ARMv6 and non-GLESv2 systems anymore06:42
Stskeepsa lot of effort, code etc is happening for armv7 only today06:42
davidqiwhat is mhz?06:44
Stskeepsmegahertz ;)06:44
davidqi:Ppoor am I06:46
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kulveI'm getting the following errors with gst-dsp (dspbridge/omap3):06:54
kulve[ 2178.362823] memory_regain_ownership: dma info doesn't match given params06:54
kulve[ 2178.370056] proc_end_dma: InValid address parameters b6102b80 8006:54
kulveanybody having any ideas what might be causing those?06:55
Stskeepskulve: btw, video/audio codecs on tegra, are they openmax?06:57
Stskeepsor how are they provided06:57
kulveyes, gst on top of omx06:57
Stskeepsok06:57
lpotterqofono now builds with qt5 too06:58
Stskeepscool, good work06:58
Stskeepsi've merged connman 1.10 and will be asking lbt for a snapshot release later today06:58
lpotterok good. I can add my hack patch to obs. I doubt they would accept it upstream06:59
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lpotterbut I may send it to their mailing list for comments/suggestions07:00
kulveStskeeps: release notes says that the current release supports OMX IL 1.1, but is "Planned to be deprecated in a later release"07:00
Stskeepsprobably good07:00
Stskeepskulve: interesting07:00
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davidqiStskeeps: is there a list of contributors for mer project? do all of you belong to a single company ? how do you make money ?07:11
davidqi:)07:11
BostikI can answer that one :p07:12
davidqi?07:12
Bostikdavidqi: mer as a project does not "make money", it runs on small contributions; infrastructure costs for the build systems and other services rack up to ~600¤/month or so07:13
davidqio? so cheap? can not imagine it07:13
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Bostikthe core Mer guys are more or less employed by Jolla, but that has come only recently; the contributors come from various directions, some individual and some from companies who see Mer as a useful baseline07:14
Bostik(or was it even per year?)07:14
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Bostikdavidqi: a few relatively powerful build nodes as OBS workers, main OBS frontend, CI system, gerrit, git repos...07:16
Bostikthe biggest resource requirements are at OBS end, really07:16
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Bostikmyself? I work for Nomovok, and I've sort of hovered to keeping qt5 packaging in reasonable state :)07:17
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Bostikthe "slim core" approach really has paid off, it really is possible to maintain the base platform when there aren't a gazillion extra libraries or desktop environments to worry about07:24
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davidqiuh... really a group of industrious, outstanding and intereting guys, almost every time I come, Stskeeps, lbt are always here, to help here and there.07:25
* timoph still thinks Stskeeps is a bot :p07:25
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Bostikyeah, we've seen first-hand (and more than once) what happens when the platform becomes bloated due to political wrangling and shifting "focus of the month"07:26
Bostikthe very idea of Mer was to separate the actual platform from all the fancy UX stuff and build a common base anyone could use and build on07:27
davidqiBostik: what is your biggest or final objective for mer project?07:27
Bostikdavidqi: I want Mer to succeed because having it makes my job a hell of a lot easier07:28
Stskeepsdavidqi: the mer objective is pretty simple, work together to save costs, because making the same thing over and over again takes money and time07:29
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Stskeepsand linux people are expensive :)07:29
Bostikdavidqi: every company needs to use something for their system and I really, *really* don't want to maintain an ever-diverting fork for something which is nailed down due to some political agenda07:30
Stskeepshttps://archive.fosdem.org/2012/schedule/event/391/79_beyond.pdf07:30
Bostikthe smaller the delta, the better for everyone07:30
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sledgeso\10:18
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StskeepsSage: re-iterate which ones you want kicked?10:22
* Sage mumbles something10:24
Sagehttp://review.merproject.org/#change,85310:24
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Sagehttp://review.merproject.org/#change,85110:26
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Sagehttp://review.merproject.org/#change,84410:26
Sagehttp://review.merproject.org/#change,57510:27
Stskeepsok10:27
kulveb.m.o still not showing "Build Results" for any project10:27
Sagehttp://review.merproject.org/#change,88810:27
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Sagehttp://review.merproject.org/#change,91610:28
Sagethose at least10:28
Sageall missing the build error logs so hard to say what was wrong10:28
SageStskeeps: then drop http://review.merproject.org/#change,91710:29
Stskeepskulve: looking10:29
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Stskeepslbt: sage: at least something's not right with build.merproject.org10:33
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SageStskeeps: what do you mean?10:37
Stskeepswell, build results aren;'t showing10:37
Stskeepsisn't the src server or rep server10:37
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Sagerep server as in crepo ?10:41
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Stskeepsas in the backend in OBS10:42
StskeepsSage: kicked10:45
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Sagehttps://build.merproject.org/request/show/20 <- well getting also errors on this10:48
Sage Message: GET to http://cfe-vlan208.in.merproject.org:81/source/nemo:devel:mw/qmllauncher? returned no data10:48
kulveI get that every now and then and a reload always helps10:48
Sageah, that helped10:48
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Sagewho was using wonko username in mer community obs?10:51
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Stskeepsrcg10:51
rcgStskeeps,10:52
Stskeepslbt: something's awry with build.merproject.org, src server was dead and build results don't show in projects/packages10:52
rcgah, shoulda read backlog first10:52
rcgyep, wonko is me10:52
lbtok- just sorting some local issues with dbus10:53
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Sagercg: could you submit the phonon build fix to build.pub.meego.com CE:MW:Shared project without the nv fix? Or well the nv fix looks ok as well though.10:53
rcgSage, sure can do10:54
Sagercg: thanks10:54
rcgbut later today10:54
Sageno rush10:54
kulvedoes that nv fix really need to be that big?10:54
kulveand nv specific?10:55
rcgkulve, otherwise there were rendering issues10:55
kulvejust a sec10:55
rcgthis is a somewhat backported version of an younger phonon version10:55
kulvehttps://build.merproject.org/package/view_file?file=check-getenv-for-videosink.patch&package=qt-mobility&project=nemo%3Adevel%3Ahw%3Anv%3Ategra3%3Acommon&rev=cfa77b45dded70eb81a3477f6fdff69310:55
kulvethat's what I did for qt-mobility to override the sink selection10:55
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rcgkulve, nah, for phonon things were really a little bit more complicated10:56
rcgsomething with painting to window and X or so iirc10:56
kulveok. I didn't bother to read it properly as it was a longer patch :)10:56
rcgtried different things and this is the only one that worked10:56
rcgwas comparing code from younger phonon to ours and had been fiddling quite a while until i found the proper solution ;)10:57
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rcgSage, could you ping me tonight if i didn't submit the patch till then11:05
rcgam pretty busy right now and might forget to push it :)11:05
rcgbbl11:06
Sagercg: sure I'll try to remember11:07
Sage:)11:07
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sledgeshello12:47
sledgescould any HA gurus help me out with Pandaboard: http://www.mail-archive.com/tiomap-dev@lists.launchpad.net/msg02170.html12:47
Stskeepsmoo12:47
sledgespleease :) I heard you had some locking issues to quick-demo omap4/sgx HW, I applied this patch http://pastie.org/5669270 , still crashes:12:48
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sledgess/crashes:/crashes/12:48
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sledgesPS: first launch of an OpenGL app succeeds, crashes only on subsequent launch attempts12:56
sledgeseasier to read: https://bugs.launchpad.net/linaro-ubuntu/+bug/103417813:01
MerbotUbuntu bug 1034178 in Linaro-Ubuntu "Qt4 OpenGL ES2 examples segfault" [High,Confirmed]13:01
sledgesgood boy13:01
sledgeserm.. bot!13:01
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auri__lbt: worked for you?13:40
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lbtbuilding13:42
Stskeepsauri__: could you elaborate to me what qt creator pulls from the sysroot?13:48
Stskeepslike, for the autocomplete etc13:48
Stskeepsjust include files, or needs binaries too / etc?13:48
auri__Stskeeps: for C++ just the include files13:48
Stskeepsremote debugging would need stuff like symbols too?13:49
auri__for QML it is a little more complicated, we need qmltypes file13:50
Stskeepsok13:51
auri__the qmltypes file is per component and is not generated automatically13:53
auri__the component developer (or someone else) needs to create it and provide it as part of the QML plugin13:55
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auri__Apart from these, the Qt Docs is pulled from the QT_INSTALL_DOCS folder, examples and demos from QT_INSTALL_EXAMPLES and QT_INSTALL_DEMOS etc.13:57
mikhasI do hate that QML specific mechanism, especially because it's different from the (also renewed) Qt plugin mechanism. Meh.13:57
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auri__The qmltypes is only needed by QtCreator for syntax checks/auto-completion etc.13:59
auri__the QML plugin will still work otherwise13:59
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lbtStskeeps: nb snapshot later tonight OK? when work stuff is calmer.14:15
Stskeepsyeah, no problem14:15
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lbtauri__: FYI clean build worked14:48
auri__great14:49
auri__Stskeeps: Regarding debugging, the sysroot should contain the debug info as well14:49
Stskeepsok14:50
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yuntalbt: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=sdk-webapp-bundle&project=home%3Ayunta%3Awebapp16:07
yuntalbt: other solution would be to generate bundle straight from webapp spec. that could be done without messing up normal webapp branch, if I could have multiple _src in obs pkg.16:09
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jpwhitingStskeeps: trying to package libkscreen in mer for a minute, is qjson not part of mer already?18:17
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jpwhitingsearching shows it in some people's home projects only18:18
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Stskeepsjpwhiting: it is, and mer is a remote project. check gitweb.merproject.org18:48
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fk_lxwhat can be wrong if that local webserver for Platform SDK (Virtualbox) doesn't start19:12
fk_lxit is some web application written in Ruby that should be running on port 8080 when the virtual machine is running19:12
fk_lxI think it was called SDK helper19:13
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fk_lxany help and suggestions will be very welcome19:14
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yuntafk_lx: hi19:41
yuntafk_lx: port 9292 on vm I think19:41
yuntafk_lx: if you use this repo: http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/yunta:/webapp/Mer_Core_i486/19:43
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yuntafk_lx: you should get the latest devel-version19:43
yuntawhich should be much more stable than the old one :)19:43
fk_lxyunta: nothing running on port 929219:44
lbtyunta: is there a github MR for that?19:44
fk_lxthe problems started once I've hit the upgrade so it might be a clue19:44
yuntafk_lx: you probably got hit by some update-related bug we had last month19:45
yuntayep19:45
yuntalbt: yes19:45
fk_lxthen after refresh I've got Sinatra with some exceptions showing on screen19:45
fk_lxbut it was few weeks ago19:45
yuntafk_lx: I think only service link is missing (systemd stuff)19:45
fk_lxso I cannot really tell what it was19:45
yuntafk_lx: you can try removing and installing that pkg again (sdk-webapp)19:46
yuntathen reboot19:46
yuntait should be back19:46
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yuntalbt: mr for webapp, and sr for bundle19:47
lbtok19:47
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fk_lxyunta: what is the name of package (I assume it's RPM, right?)19:48
yuntasdk-webapp19:49
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lbtyunta: when asking for an MR I think it's good practise to squash any error commits19:52
lbtso each commit is clean19:52
yuntalbt: sure19:54
yuntaI was hoping for squash checkbox on pull request19:54
lbtThe first three look like sensible incremental ones19:54
yuntabut I guess it would make more mess than help19:54
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lbtI'll rebase it here now19:54
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lbtand fix the tags19:55
yuntathx19:55
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fk_lxyunta: now problem with dependencies, where to find sdk-webapp-customization ?19:59
yuntauh19:59
fk_lxI've got it when trying to install sdk-webapp-0.4.0-16.1.i486.rpm20:00
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yuntasdk-webapp-mer pkg I guess20:00
yuntabut can't find it now..... just a sec20:00
yuntaweird, how come it works for me :D20:01
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fk_lxwhen I'm installing sdk-webapp-mer-0.4.0-16.1.i486 I get missing dependency sdk-webapp = 0.4.0-16.120:03
fk_lxso I guess sdk-webapp-customization should be first20:04
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yuntadb4 error... shit20:11
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yuntawth, sdk-webapp-mer should provide sdk-webapp-customization :)20:12
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fk_lxyunta: ok problem solved20:14
yuntahow?20:15
fk_lxyunta: need to install both packages at the same time20:15
yuntaah, right20:15
fk_lxyunta: cross-dependency20:15
yuntaare you doing it with rpm ?20:15
yuntanot zypper?20:15
fk_lxyes with rpm20:15
yuntaok20:15
yuntathat explains it :)20:15
fk_lxI'm not familiar with RPM-based distros20:15
fk_lxbut I will refresh my knowledge very quickly20:16
yuntacheck if it works after reboot now20:16
fk_lxok, wait a sec20:16
yuntafk_lx: it's very easy to add repo with zypper, looks easier to me than on deb distros20:17
yuntazypper ar REPO_URL20:17
fk_lxoh, it is that easy20:17
fk_lx:-)20:17
fk_lxI lost my contact with RPM distros somewhere around Fedora 620:18
fk_lx:-D20:18
yuntalisting repos: zypper lr20:18
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fk_lxfor very long time I was using Gentoo20:18
yuntaso, it's easier to add repo and zypper in20:18
yuntathan to download all rpms and install manually20:18
fk_lxthen finally somehow landed in Ubuntu after years of using Gentoo20:18
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yuntasame here20:18
yuntathen I switched to fedora20:18
fk_lxany reasons to switch to Fedora from Ubuntu20:19
yuntadepends on your goals :)20:19
yuntait's more experimental I guess20:19
yuntaand doesn't come with unity :D20:19
fk_lxFedora seemed to be quite buggy last time I used it20:19
yuntahard to tell, works for me....20:20
fk_lxthe thing that concerns me with Fedora is that Fedora is Red Hat-Unstable-Let-Fedora-Users-Find-Bugs20:20
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fk_lxI mean not that I don't trust Red Hat, but from beginning it seemed to me quite obvious that Fedora will be that worse brother of Red Hat Enterprise20:21
fk_lxmeaning unstable20:22
yuntahm, but they also contribute20:22
fk_lxand Ubuntu is "one"20:22
yuntaright20:22
yuntaunstable doesn't mean worse for me20:22
fk_lxthe same for enterprises and hobbyst20:22
yuntaI use deb distros for servers. Fedora at home.20:23
fk_lxbesides, maybe it is very weak reason, but Ubuntu being more popular means being easier to find solutions to different problems20:23
yuntature20:23
yuntatrue20:23
fk_lxthat is one of the reasons I've dumped Gentoo20:24
yuntawell, there is still a reason: fedora uses same pkging system as mer :D20:24
fk_lxin Gentoo you always had unique version ...20:24
fk_lxnot to mention that compiling all the time...20:24
Stskeepskeeps your room warm20:24
yuntalol20:24
fk_lxbut when I was younger it seemed to me it's a perfect distro :-)20:25
fk_lxit was until I started to work....20:25
yunta22 C here btw with radiators fully open20:25
fk_lxwhen I had to setup installations quickly not playing with compiling different things few days20:25
fk_lxI've tried Ubuntu20:26
fk_lxand ended with it20:26
yuntabut if you still have some programs that you always wait for new release of20:26
yuntaand you manually compile them on ubuntu20:26
yuntajust to get the bleeding edge20:26
yuntathan fedora may be for you20:26
fk_lxactually I would need to kind of systems on one machine - one stable and one for playing&development20:27
fk_lxso having unstable one in virtual machine seems the solution for me20:28
fk_lxand why not Fedora20:28
fk_lx:-)20:28
fk_lxto -> two20:28
fk_lx:-D20:28
fk_lxit would broaden my horizons using both Ubuntu and Fedora20:29
fk_lxand yes the argument that Mer also uses RPM is good one20:29
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yuntaso, webapp, does it work now?20:31
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fk_lxyunta: yep20:32
fk_lxyunta: thank you very much for solving my problem20:32
fk_lxyunta: dziękuję! :-)20:32
yuntanp20:32
yuntaspoko20:32
yuntathanks for testing newest release :)20:32
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fk_lx;-)20:33
yuntayou are first, so expect troubles20:33
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fk_lxin "Manage Toolchains" there is nothing besides "install" button20:34
fk_lxwhich leads to "Sinatra doesn’t know this ditty."20:34
fk_lxmaybe I should start from hitting "upgrade" in SDK?20:35
yuntaah, this happens when zypper is locked20:35
yuntaI'll raise a bug about this20:35
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fk_lxyunta: I've just hit "upgrade", let's look for some bugs ;-)20:43
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fk_lxhi Venemo20:47
sledgesnice to see latest sdk (webapp at least) being tested :)20:48
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fk_lxit looks like the progress stopped at "Loading repository data..."20:57
fk_lxare there any logs to check what is (and if) actually going on20:57
fk_lx?20:57
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yuntarefresh page21:03
yuntalogs from zypper show up at the bottom21:03
yuntain "operation progress" section21:03
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yuntarecently zypper fails quite often21:03
yuntaso you may experience hangs->timeouts21:04
fk_lxyuntu: ok, silly me - information is above "finished: upgrading sdk - exited with status 139"21:04
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yunta139 is... not in docs\21:06
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yuntacan you try ssh-ing to your vm and doing: zypper ref21:07
yuntaand then zypper up21:07
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jpwhitingStskeeps: is there a way to branch http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-core/qjson.git;a=summary inside meego obs?21:10
jpwhitingor do I need to create the project from scratch (i.e. download that spec and yaml and update them, etc.)21:10
vgradejpwhiting: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Contribution_in_detail21:11
jpwhitingvgrade: cool, thx21:11
vgradejpwhiting: if you want to work on core packages this is what you need21:11
jpwhitingyep, perfect, I'll do that21:12
vgradejpwhiting: saw your comments on #active. Are you looking to upgrade version21:12
jpwhitingthanks21:12
jpwhitingyeah, qjson21:12
jpwhitinglibkscreen needs at least 0.821:12
vgradeok, that link should do nicely then, submit back to Mer via Gerrit21:13
jpwhitingyep, will do21:13
vgradethanks for the help21:13
* jpwhiting registers21:13
jpwhitingsure, np21:13
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fk_lxyunta: ugh, zypper ref causes memory violation error21:26
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yuntaright...21:26
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yuntazypper-hell strikes again21:27
yuntafk_lx: so, now, it's all fixable by some manual rpm installation21:28
yunta.... in theory21:28
yuntabut it's going to be easier to just recreate vm from newest image21:29
yuntawhen we get it :)21:29
yuntait's a known bug...21:30
fk_lxzypper-hell? and somebody said I could try Fedora :-P21:32
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yuntait's mer-only hell :D21:37
yuntasome mismatch between libs/progs we had21:37
yuntathat's still lingering in repos21:37
fk_lxoh, I see21:38
yuntain theory if you build image with -next repos, or manage to update your system to -next, you should be free of that problem21:41
yuntabut upgrade is not that easy with broken zypper :D21:43
fk_lxI guess it is the same thing when you had broken python on Gentoo and emerge was throwing exceptions21:45
jpwhitingvgrade: hmm, the first review I got is "I would prefer that you didn't submit this"21:50
jpwhitingah, because it failed to build, got it21:51
* jpwhiting looks21:51
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mikhasthat's an automated reply, jpwhiting22:04
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mikhasI dont like it either. It tries to sound friendly but just isn't very inviting. Computer-aided reviews ("CAR" ;-) are still in their infancy …22:05
jpwhitingyep, gotcha, np22:05
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lbtphaeron: what machine?23:51
phaeronlbt: mer cobs api apache frontend23:52
lbtnot nginx though23:52
lbttry that23:54
phaeronlbt: no not nginx23:54
phaeronlbt: enable it for now and we'll see if it helps later when a new mega creq comes in :)23:55
lbtyeah - done23:55
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phaeronlbt: thanks :)23:56
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