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| situ_ | Morning all | 04:57 |
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| iekku | morning | 05:19 |
| situ_ | iekku: ahoy | 05:21 |
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| koala_ | Hello Stskeeps | 07:14 |
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| Stskeeps | hey koala_ | 07:14 |
| koala_ | oh.. you are here... | 07:15 |
| mikhas | moin | 07:15 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, 8:15am here | 07:15 |
| koala_ | Stskeeps: you are a early bird. If you don't busy, Can I ask something? | 07:15 |
| koala_ | aren't | 07:16 |
| Stskeeps | koala_: sure, go ahead | 07:16 |
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| Bostik | oh, just realised one freaky corner case with webkit builds; if debug builds are done via crosstools (64-bit host, 32-bit output) and release builds are done "natively", there is a small but >0 probability of hitting a bug triage nightmare | 07:18 |
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| Bostik | in such a scenario release builds and developer builds are done *with different compilers* | 07:18 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 07:19 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 07:19 |
| Bostik | hunting down an obscure cairo bug triggered by bleeding-edge CSS transformation must be piece of cake compared to that horror | 07:20 |
| Bostik | (it took me ~8 days to find and pinpoint that bug...) | 07:21 |
| Bostik | one of the early ubuntu releases had just such a bug, and we hit it at work; openoffice's slideware would crash systematically when an SVG file was loaded but maintainer could not reproduce it - we could trigger it on any system and hardware | 07:28 |
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| Bostik | finally it was pinned down, the bug surfaced *only* when OO.o was parallel-distributed-built (iow. release builds); maintainer tried to reproduce on his local build (single system) | 07:30 |
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| niqt | morning | 07:58 |
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| JalenZheng | Hello everybody! | 08:34 |
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| Stskeeps | hello JalenZheng | 08:34 |
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| JalenZheng | How are you, Stskeeps | 08:35 |
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| Stskeeps | good, thanks | 08:37 |
| JalenZheng | Does anyone know whether there are interfaces/APIs for vibrator and LED flashing on Mer? | 08:38 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, it'd probably be more of a #nemomobile question | 08:41 |
| JalenZheng | Thanks! Stskeeps | 08:41 |
| JalenZheng | But as I know, nemo is just a UI framework. Vibrator and LED should have more relation with Mer. How do you think? | 08:45 |
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| Stskeeps | JalenZheng: nemo also contains a lot of middleware relevant to handset | 08:46 |
| JalenZheng | Stskeeps: Got it! Thanks very much! | 08:48 |
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| pa | question about sofiasip: is there any way to set a "dialing prefix" for a SIP account? | 09:34 |
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| pa | like account-wide prefix | 09:34 |
| pa | so that a contact that has phone number xxxx can be dialed by simply pressing on the (SIP) icon of the number, and the prefix is automatically added | 09:35 |
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| dcthang | Do someone know about GPS support for Mer? | 10:06 |
| pa | gps support for which device? | 10:07 |
| pa | i guess gps api are in qtmobility, but then a driver might be required for qtmobility.location to work on a specific device | 10:07 |
| dcthang | ah for N9/N950 | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | no availability for n9/n950 | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | gps chip is closed | 10:08 |
| pa | Stskeeps, isnt it possible to use the same driver as in harmattan? or is that one compiled into the kernel image? | 10:08 |
| dcthang | any suggestions about the devices that support GPS with chip is opened? | 10:08 |
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| Stskeeps | pa: userspace | 10:09 |
| pa | i mean, module binary | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | kernel is just a shim | 10:09 |
| pa | ah okay | 10:09 |
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| sledges | did you have a good weekend everyone? | 10:35 |
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| kulve | hm.. is cobs has packages in queue and all workers are idle? | 10:40 |
| kulve | -is | 10:40 |
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| kulve | looks like b.m.o is having issues too | 10:43 |
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| kulve | cobs seems to be working again, b.m.o not | 10:55 |
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| * sledges wants to test. Anything newer than henrik_ 6-20121115-132446/mer-sdk-i486-wip-sda.vdi.bz2 ? | 11:21 | |
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| lbt | hmm qtcreator won't run the mer plugin | 11:39 |
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| lbt | iekku: are you running bug meeting today ? | 12:00 |
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| iekku | oh shit! | 12:00 |
| iekku | yes i am | 12:01 |
| iekku | sorry | 12:01 |
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| lbt | auri__: ping | 12:45 |
| auri__ | lbt: pong | 12:45 |
| lbt | hey - so just pulled git to try and run some tests | 12:45 |
| lbt | HEAD merge won't run due to some dependencies (which is fine) | 12:46 |
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| lbt | I dropped back to "Mer: Remove "mer support" from Qt Quick Applicatino Wizard" | 12:46 |
| lbt | and that builds but seems to have 2 mer SDK plugin entries | 12:47 |
| lbt | eg 2 icons, 2 sets of target mgmt | 12:47 |
| auri__ | lbt: yup, you will need to do a clean build | 12:47 |
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| auri__ | i sent a mail a few days ago regarding that | 12:47 |
| * lbt looks | 12:48 | |
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| lbt | ha, OK | 12:49 |
| lbt | did you get anywhere on a README about the files in the plugin dir? | 12:50 |
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| auri__ | lbt: kinda.. working on it | 12:57 |
| lbt | ty - it would really help | 12:58 |
| auri__ | do you have some time now.. for a discussion | 12:58 |
| lbt | I have a meeting right now - but after that I'm on SDK all the time | 12:59 |
| auri__ | ok.. ping me when you are back | 12:59 |
| lbt | hopefully this won't take long either | 12:59 |
| lbt | hmm - make clean and rebuild - still have 2 icons... ? | 13:02 |
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| auri__ | lbt: looks like your lib folder still has the older libray | 13:07 |
| auri__ | can you delete the lib folder in <QtCreator build folder> | 13:07 |
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| Bostik | guys, I need help with a technical term; there must be a nice term for the state where managing hacks and technical debt becomes more expensive than writing something from scratch | 13:55 |
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| Stskeeps | Bostik: Dilbert Universe? | 13:56 |
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| Bostik | Stskeeps: probably correct, but I'm pretty sure I've seen a "sophisticated" term in some management'esque literature | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 13:57 |
| alterego | Anyone got Mer running on a nexus 7? | 13:58 |
| Stskeeps | yes, PA works there | 13:58 |
| alterego | I can get one half price .. | 13:58 |
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| kulve | alterego: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Community_Workspace/Tegra3/Nexus7 | 14:02 |
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| sledges | hah "Sinatra doesn’t know this ditty." | 14:02 |
| kulve | that page makes it look like nothing works, but you can play e.g. full hd video in a composited mode etc.. | 14:02 |
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| Bostik | hmm... Lehman-Brooks Law? | 14:03 |
| rcg | kulve, we should probably a page where we explicitly list what works | 14:03 |
| rcg | :D | 14:03 |
| rcg | *add | 14:03 |
| rcg | *add a page | 14:03 |
| rcg | that is | 14:03 |
| Bostik | not mentioned by that name in http://www.salon.com/2002/04/08/lehman_2/ but there's a paragraph which certainly would qualify for such a name | 14:04 |
| kulve | rcg: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Community_Workspace/Tegra3 | 14:05 |
| kulve | there's something | 14:05 |
| rcg | kulve, aye ic | 14:07 |
| lbt | auri__: back now | 14:09 |
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| auri__ | lbt: Currently in QtC, we call qmake and make while building the app | 14:12 |
| lbt | OK | 14:12 |
| Bostik | Stskeeps: "Lehman's Laws of Software Evolution" | 14:13 |
| Bostik | I *knew* I had seen a more formalised name for the thing | 14:13 |
| auri__ | for deployment we call mb which rebuilds the app again.. can we avoid this? | 14:13 |
| auri__ | rather how can we avoid this | 14:13 |
| lbt | we certainl should, yes | 14:13 |
| auri__ | how? | 14:14 |
| alterego | Is there a way to find out from make if anything needs to be done without actually doing anything? | 14:14 |
| Bostik | make -n ? | 14:15 |
| lbt | hmm. when you say deployment, you mean to build the rpm | 14:15 |
| alterego | Yeah, that's what I was thinking | 14:15 |
| auri__ | mb is just a wrapper over rpmbuild .. and probably mb should just do "make install" or something like that | 14:15 |
| lbt | so getting rpmbuild to use the .o files | 14:15 |
| sledges | Bostik, you reminded me of what I was taught at uni. But I also read an article which stated, that writing from scratch will consume more time because one will have to go through most of those bugs again [found over extended period of time, too] (an example was given of Mozilla project, as it was rewritten and lenthened overall deliverables) | 14:15 |
| auri__ | yes.. In Qtc it is package, deploy and run .. (all 3 kinda combined together) | 14:16 |
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| lbt | so we should have 2 deploy modes? | 14:16 |
| lbt | one is rsync/scp to device | 14:16 |
| lbt | the other is rpm to device | 14:17 |
| auri__ | i would say so | 14:17 |
| lbt | my preference is to have the rsync approach be the normal way to go | 14:17 |
| auri__ | in the first case we call qmake make and then scp the binaries etc.. | 14:17 |
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| lbt | and the rpm be something more like "package & deploy" | 14:18 |
| auri__ | in the second case we call mb (with args preferably since it is quote dumb right now) | 14:18 |
| lbt | yes | 14:18 |
| auri__ | now, with mb , one cannot pass parmas to qmake | 14:18 |
| lbt | fixable | 14:19 |
| lbt | mb is there to help us | 14:19 |
| auri__ | \s\parmas\params | 14:19 |
| auri__ | :) | 14:19 |
| auri__ | ok, stupid question but what is the advantage of mb? its just a wrapper over rpmbuild | 14:19 |
| lbt | it's a time saver - that's all | 14:20 |
| Bostik | sledges: I've must have seen that article too, and for really huge codebases I can't help but agree - it's the medium-sized systems that could be rewritten (and in the case I currently care about, a rebase for more recent and thus cleaner baseline) | 14:20 |
| lbt | auri__: the one thing I *do* want to do is try to keep as much logic in VM-side scripts as possible | 14:20 |
| lbt | that is easier for everyone to change | 14:21 |
| sledges | yup, huge codebases was in question, Bostik. Good luck with what you do! | 14:21 |
| auri__ | ok.. but here mb doesnt provide any additional benefits | 14:22 |
| auri__ | I may as wellc all rpmbuild .. and control the build steps | 14:22 |
| lbt | well - no | 14:22 |
| lbt | those steps may vary for different people | 14:22 |
| lbt | that's why it's a script | 14:22 |
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| lbt | let me remind myself of mb content | 14:23 |
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| auri__ | ya, I mean from QtC, it would be a consistent set of steps.. and anyways, even the build steps in Qtc are configurable .. so shouldnt be a problem for a power user | 14:23 |
| w00t | rsync, check dependencies, build incrementally (the important part) | 14:23 |
| w00t | if you just use rpmbuild directly, you're going to have to reimplement all of the parts that give you incremental builds | 14:24 |
| w00t | (putting source in the right place, tricking rpmbuild into doing the right thing, etc) | 14:24 |
| auri__ | but isnt the source in the "right" place already? after all we are using shared folders | 14:25 |
| lbt | auri__: I'm already a bit concerned that QtC even knows about sb2 | 14:25 |
| lbt | rpmbuild needs src in ~/rpmbuild/BUILD | 14:26 |
| w00t | auri__: rpmbuild needs it in ~/rpmbuild/BUILD, so no | 14:26 |
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| auri__ | w00t: why use rsync over simple copy? | 14:27 |
| w00t | auri__: to not touch things that haven't been changed, thus causing unnecessary rebuilds | 14:27 |
| lbt | w00t: it feels like mb isn't compatible with shadow builds | 14:28 |
| auri__ | ok .. well then can we prep up mb a bit so that we get a bit more control over the build steps instead of trigerring a double build? | 14:28 |
| w00t | lbt: that is certainly true | 14:28 |
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| lbt | w00t: I'd like qtc to use them as much as poss | 14:29 |
| lbt | it allows rsync of just the shadowbuild dir to the device | 14:29 |
| lbt | and then run from that | 14:29 |
| lbt | for non-rpm-deploy runs | 14:29 |
| lbt | ie make && run | 14:29 |
| w00t | I don't use shadow builds (duh), so this is kind of not something I have any real expertise with to make suggestions - I'm certainly not opposed to it growing smarter though | 14:30 |
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| lbt | it has implications in using qrc:: stuff to support qml finding | 14:30 |
| kulve | b.m.o still showing empty for "Build Results" in all projects? Just that "refreshing" animation circling around | 14:31 |
| kulve | and is there supposed to be shown only 4 workers? | 14:32 |
| rcg | kulve, did you try if building works nonetheless? | 14:32 |
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| kulve | at least there are something building, so I guess that part works | 14:33 |
| rcg | at least the download repositories are still available | 14:33 |
| auri__ | well "shadow builds" are good to support but first we need to avoid the double build.. apart from everything, it is just annoying | 14:33 |
| rcg | and iirc i also had something build that i uploaded with osc | 14:33 |
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| auri__ | so how do you think we can do that? | 14:33 |
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| auri__ | w00t: lbt: ^ | 14:34 |
| lbt | multi-threading sry | 14:34 |
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| w00t | auri__: hm.. double build? | 14:35 |
| lbt | auri__: initial focus is on make && run - don't use mb to make rpms | 14:35 |
| lbt | if rpms are needed then we suffer a double build for now | 14:36 |
| auri__ | ouch! | 14:36 |
| * lbt looks at calendar | 14:36 | |
| lbt | yep | 14:36 |
| auri__ | so we should support only scenario 1? build and rsync binaries/libraries? | 14:36 |
| w00t | ah, qt creator make and mb make | 14:36 |
| w00t | i wonder if you couldn't actually possibly work around that through creatively setting OBJ_DIR (if the project didn't already have one) | 14:37 |
| lbt | auri__: when I press the green "play" button, don't use mb to make rpms | 14:37 |
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| auri__ | you know that we have only the rpm approach in QtCreator right now | 14:37 |
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| lbt | auri__: no | 14:37 |
| w00t | auri__: you have linux device ssh support, which copies a binary over ssh and runs it | 14:38 |
| auri__ | so what should pressing the "play" button do? | 14:38 |
| lbt | the plugin is too complex for me to grok | 14:38 |
| w00t | presumably lbt means that | 14:38 |
| lbt | hence the need for a README | 14:38 |
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| lbt | play should make, rsync, deploy | 14:39 |
| lbt | sorry: play should make, rsync, run | 14:39 |
| lbt | (assuming we're building for a device) | 14:39 |
| auri__ | ok.. well currently we support only the other scenario.. where rpm package is created.. | 14:39 |
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| auri__ | guess we have work to do then.. | 14:39 |
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| lbt | so you currently do make, make, copy rpm, unpack, run | 14:39 |
| w00t | auri__: what does the "generic linux device" support do? | 14:40 |
| w00t | that doesn't use packaging | 14:40 |
| auri__ | currently we do qmake make and call mb to create the package | 14:40 |
| lbt | yeah | 14:42 |
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| auri__ | w00t: The 'generic linux device' is still scp and run | 14:47 |
| auri__ | we would like to have a Mer specific device and define the doplyment configuration for that device | 14:47 |
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| auri__ | so as I see right now, we should have 2 deploy/run configurations 1) Deploy to Mer via scp and run 2) Create rpm package and Deploy to Mer | 14:49 |
| lbt | yes | 14:50 |
| lbt | now the point of rsync vs scp is that shadowbuild dir can contain additional assets | 14:50 |
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| lbt | but if we specify qrc:: only for the initial version I'm OK with that | 14:51 |
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| yunta | lbt: so, once again, if I just commit entire webapp bundle pkg (including gem tarballs) to a separate branch, will it work with right _service ? or is there something I can't see? doesn't your _service just pull the right tag content straight to osc sources ? | 16:23 |
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| kulve | why it has to be always such a battle to get anything usb related working on gumstix overo.. | 17:19 |
| kulve | (omap3) | 17:19 |
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| dm8tbr | kulve: musb? or ehci? | 17:22 |
| kulve | ..anything | 17:23 |
| kulve | basically I need to get usb camera working. I don't care whether it works in host port or in OTG | 17:23 |
| dm8tbr | kulve: ehci should mostly work as long as you use USB2 devices or an usb hub. musb ports suck sweaty donkey balls... | 17:23 |
| kulve | dm8tbr: are you familiar how I should configure the kernel related to those? | 17:24 |
| dm8tbr | it's been a while since I've touched an OMAP3 kernel, but there should be plenty of known good configs around | 17:25 |
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| kulve | dm8tbr: e.g. what should choose for "Platform Glue Layer". TUSB6010 or "OMAP2430 and onwards"? | 17:42 |
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| kulve | I'm guessing USB_MUSB_OMAP2PLUS and not USB_MUSB_TUSB6010 | 17:42 |
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| Stskeeps | evening Venemo | 18:34 |
| Uninstall | Do you know about any arm tablet with some graphics acceleration that works with mer? | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | Uninstall: archos g9 | 18:35 |
| Uninstall | Stskeeps: what does it uses as GPU? | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | powervr SGX i think | 18:35 |
| Uninstall | cool. do they provide open source drivers? or just a binary blob for X11? | 18:36 |
| Uninstall | do you know if it runs egl with extensions required for wayland? | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | i think open source drivers you will only find on raspberry pi at the moment | 18:37 |
| Uninstall | http://www.amazon.it/Archos-80-G9-Turbo-8GB/dp/B0074495Q0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1358188527&sr=8-1 <-- this one, right? | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | think so | 18:38 |
| Uninstall | Stskeeps: rpi has an open source wrapper to their buggy blob | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | it's open source | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:38 |
| Uninstall | has anybody successful used android drivers on mer? | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | i have, yes | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | on qualcomm, of all places | 18:39 |
| Uninstall | cool | 18:39 |
| Uninstall | what have you done? used their closed gralloc with android EGL, right? | 18:39 |
| Stskeeps | well, it's rather that i found a way to use libEGL/GLESv2 from android with glibc based systems | 18:40 |
| Uninstall | cool | 18:40 |
| Uninstall | on what hardware? | 18:40 |
| Stskeeps | qualcomm, as i just said, but others have done it on nexus, tegra2/3, etc | 18:41 |
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| Uninstall | I have no idea about which consumer hardware is using qualcomm ;) | 18:42 |
| kulve | Uninstall: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Community_Workspace/Tegra3 and https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Community_Workspace/Tegra3/Nexus7 | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | Uninstall: hp touchpad.. and many android handsets | 18:43 |
| Uninstall | I had a really bad experience with Nexus 7... Qt5 was crashing all the time | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | what version of qt5? | 18:44 |
| Stskeeps | and what distro | 18:44 |
| Uninstall | Stskeeps: I've been using Active | 18:45 |
| Stskeeps | ok, so it might be a old version | 18:45 |
| Uninstall | so I've installed Qt5 on it | 18:45 |
| Stskeeps | if it's the mer qt5 | 18:45 |
| Uninstall | and it crashed due some instruction not recognized | 18:45 |
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| Stskeeps | that doesn't sound good | 18:46 |
| Stskeeps | are you sure it isn't by chance hitting a LLVM error instead? | 18:46 |
| Uninstall | I should check again, I didn't investigate too much the dump | 18:47 |
| Bostik | "instruction not recognised" ... SIGILL? | 18:48 |
| Bostik | hardfp / softfp mismatch? | 18:48 |
| Uninstall | maybe ARMExecution.h or something like that | 18:49 |
| Uninstall | let me check again | 18:49 |
| Stskeeps | sounds LLVMish | 18:49 |
| Stskeeps | it means your EGL/GLESv2 isn't set up correctly useusually | 18:49 |
| Uninstall | ok | 18:50 |
| Uninstall | I'll check it again | 18:50 |
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| Uninstall | anyway I would really like to have some hardware with a good compatibility and acceleration... should I use the archos g9 instead? | 18:51 |
| Stskeeps | i think at the moment, the nexus 7 isn't a bad choice | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | imho | 18:53 |
| kulve | "zypper install gst-plugins-base" pulls in wayland..? | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | kulve: you have mesa as your libEGL/GLESv2? | 18:54 |
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| kulve | in practice yes, because my packages for my Overo are so badly named.. | 18:55 |
| kulve | I'm not planning to run anything graphical, so it doesn't matter now | 18:55 |
| Uninstall | http://pastebin.com/TJKY5sHh | 18:56 |
| Uninstall | this is with eglfs as platform | 18:56 |
| kulve | still the dependency sounds odd | 18:56 |
| Uninstall | but for every platform I get a different crash | 18:56 |
| Stskeeps | Uninstall: yeah, that's mesa talking to you | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | is it nexus 7? | 18:57 |
| Uninstall | yes | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | Uninstall: you need to get nvidia's libEGL/GLESv2 implementation | 18:59 |
| Stskeeps | which is possible to get, from what i know | 19:00 |
| Uninstall | ok | 19:00 |
| Uninstall | cool | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | kulve: it's not really odd.. mer core's mesa is generic and it speaks fbdev, x11, wayland | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | kulve: on a hardware adaptation without egl/glesv2 for x11, it doesn't drag in x11, as an example | 19:01 |
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| CosmoHill | hi ikona | 19:09 |
| CosmoHill | ah wait, it's ikonia that i know | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | .. | 19:09 |
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| CosmoHill | he's still welcome | 19:10 |
| CosmoHill | i mean when he's here | 19:10 |
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| Uninstall | unrelated: what about mer on raspberry pi? | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | exists too, check the wiki | 19:45 |
| Uninstall | cool | 19:46 |
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| kulve | why gst-plugins-good is not part of Mer Core? | 20:16 |
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| lpotter | lbt: plasma has been acting up for me lately... going 100% cpu at times | 23:12 |
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| lbt | I'm having odd dbus issues - dbus-daemon --session is dying | 23:12 |
| lbt | takes all kinds of stuff down and can't easily be relaunched since the guid changes | 23:13 |
| lpotter | hmm.. mine too. I blame connman, but maybe its something else | 23:13 |
| lbt | this is in my debian desktop fwiw | 23:13 |
| lpotter | ubuntu here. running connman/ofono :) | 23:14 |
| lbt | so no connman here | 23:14 |
| lpotter | ok. I'll start to blame plasma | 23:15 |
| lbt | hmm - yes - .xsession-errors seems to have pointers to it | 23:17 |
| lbt | http://pastie.org/5685722 | 23:17 |
| lbt | and then dbus errors start to appear | 23:18 |
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| lpotter | I get the same error, but also plasma-desktop(31964)/libplasma Plasma::isPluginVersionCompatible: unversioned plugin detected, may result in instability | 23:24 |
| lbt | I'm going to pull the latest testing plasma/kde libsa | 23:25 |
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