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| CosmoHill | night night | 00:53 |
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| situ | Morning all | 04:44 |
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| Theorbo | Is Jolla planning on having LTE or WiMaxx (4G) for their initial device? | 06:25 |
| jussi | Theorbo: probably better to ask that one in #jollamobile | 06:25 |
| jussi | oh, I note you have already... | 06:26 |
| jussi | :D | 06:26 |
| Theorbo | I did, I'm being a bastard and spamming. | 06:26 |
| Theorbo | :) | 06:26 |
| jussi | (should of looked first hey :P ) | 06:26 |
| iekku | :D | 06:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | iin general, it is unlikely that a non open standard would be used | 06:45 |
| SpeedEvil | if you can only use a device on one provider, then no, that's not happening | 06:46 |
| SpeedEvil | as it would require the active cooperation of the provider | 06:47 |
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| Stskeeps | morn | 07:25 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/7490 | 08:48 |
| Sage | lbt: phaeron: https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/7592 No idea if this needs to be done some other way but is something nemo really needs soon as the zypp backend in mic is so broken atm. | 08:49 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 08:49 |
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| phaeron | Sage: why didn't you take the stuff from github, I put the packaging there too | 09:22 |
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| Sage | phaeron: mic 0.14 breaks stuff fstab for example and I didn't have time to check rest of the stuff myself | 09:25 |
| phaeron | Sage: I thought you said it should work | 09:25 |
| Sage | well, uuid generation seems to break stuff and livecd or liveusb failed as well | 09:25 |
| Sage | so those needs to be fixed and I don't have time to look at those atm. | 09:26 |
| Sage | It should work but it didn't :/ | 09:26 |
| phaeron | Sage: ok I can revert the changes that does the fstab thing | 09:26 |
| lbt | morning all | 09:27 |
| Sage | phaeron: jnikula found one char error there which might be easy to fix actually | 09:28 |
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| lbt | sage, phaeron: mmm so fix mic 0.14 or backport that patch ? | 09:29 |
| phaeron | backport / revert | 09:30 |
| phaeron | lbt: also we need that patch for obs-webui | 09:30 |
| phaeron | should be in your scrollback | 09:30 |
| lbt | don't see it | 09:34 |
| lbt | and of course, now I do :) | 09:35 |
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| phaeron | :) | 09:35 |
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| rcg | heh, well, the ubuntu guys try to keep expectations high | 09:45 |
| rcg | http://babysimpson.co.uk/info/headlines/small/9f19_2.jpg | 09:50 |
| rcg | http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mam8zhFNJt1qdci9xo1_500.jpg | 09:50 |
| rcg | kinda reminds me of that good ol' simpsons episode :) | 09:50 |
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| lbt | phaeron: https://github.com/Merproject/open-build-service/commit/c6a321da90f380b35bf8f40fc4bb168062c0660e | 10:08 |
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| phaeron | lbt: thanks , I'll report if anything else looks broken and then we can roll new rps | 10:09 |
| phaeron | rpms | 10:09 |
| lbt | we're falling a long way behind | 10:10 |
| lbt | and Stskeeps' sb2 patches are not upstream | 10:10 |
| * lbt biab | 10:11 | |
| sledges | HappyNewYear! wishing you all Qt times :) | 10:20 |
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| Stskeeps | morn Venemo | 12:29 |
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| Venemo | hey Stskeeps :) | 12:29 |
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| Venemo | what's up? | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | not much.. bit ill today | 12:30 |
| Venemo | me too | 12:30 |
| fk_lx | hey people :-) | 12:32 |
| SpeedEvil | hey | 12:33 |
| fk_lx | I'm also coughing but only a bit | 12:33 |
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| mikhas | if you were 100% healthy first week of the year it would mean you didn't party hard enough =p | 13:14 |
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| sroedal | I'm not ill, just tired :( | 13:15 |
| Bostik | both :/ | 13:16 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | that implies sick and tired | 13:18 |
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| vgrade | evening all | 18:45 |
| fk_lx | hi vgrad | 18:46 |
| fk_lx | hi vgrade | 18:46 |
| Stskeeps | evening vgrade | 18:47 |
| vgrade | wonder how ubuntu are allowing andriod driver support | 18:48 |
| vgrade | on new mobile os | 18:48 |
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| loliisSFW | Hey guys. I recently saw the ubuntu OS and it looks far too bloated for my taste. Mer, on the other hand, might be a little more to my liking. Is there a good resource for people looking to install Mer? | 18:52 |
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| Theorbo | Are you a developer or are you a linux enthusiast looking for a mobile OS? | 19:00 |
| loliisSFW | linux enthusiast looking for mobile OS | 19:01 |
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| Theorbo | You aren't looking for Mer | 19:09 |
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| Theorbo | It is nothing like a fully functioning mobile OS | 19:10 |
| Theorbo | Ready to be launched. | 19:10 |
| Theorbo | Indeed, it is only a foundation lacking middleware and a user interface. | 19:11 |
| Theorbo | What you are looking for is Nemo | 19:12 |
| Theorbo | And Nemo is not exactly what you are looking for either. | 19:12 |
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| loliisSFW | thanks Theorbo | 19:16 |
| loliisSFW | I was thinking about using Mer in conjunction with Plasma Active | 19:16 |
| loliisSFW | do you think that would work out well? | 19:16 |
| Stskeeps | sure | 19:16 |
| Stskeeps | plasma active -uses- mer :) | 19:17 |
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| Stskeeps | evening jstaniek | 19:46 |
| jstaniek | evening Stskeeps | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | saw the ubuntu phone news? | 19:46 |
| jstaniek | nope | 19:46 |
| jstaniek | Stskeeps: how are you? | 19:46 |
| kysse | ubantoo phone, who cares. | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | i'm good, a bit of post-newyears illness but i'm good | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/2/3827922/ubuntu-phone-os-announcement | 19:47 |
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| jstaniek | thx for the link | 19:47 |
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| jstaniek | in other news, well informed guys on /. believe tizen is maintained by LF, lol | 19:48 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. well | 19:48 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:48 |
| jstaniek | http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3352899&cid=42452061 | 19:49 |
| jstaniek | so I've been working for this fscking foundation for 3 years not moving from Poland, yeah :/ | 19:50 |
| fk_lx | :-) | 19:53 |
| Stskeeps | well, either way | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | all this serves very nicely to make a huge dent in android's armor | 19:54 |
| ali1234 | it's QML you know... | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | which is good | 19:55 |
| fk_lx | yes, the best thing is that Android will have a lot of competition | 19:55 |
| fk_lx | time to break the duopoly :-) | 19:55 |
| ali1234 | nah, won't happen | 19:55 |
| ali1234 | might be the final nail in microsoft's coffin though | 19:56 |
| jstaniek | Stskeeps: it's all good unless I hear from the Tizen people that QML is just another javascript framework like Cordova ;> | 19:57 |
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| Stskeeps | hhe | 20:08 |
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| Stskeeps | evening Venemo :) | 20:10 |
| Venemo | hey Stskeeps :) | 20:10 |
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| Stskeeps | Venemo: seen ubuntu phone news? | 20:12 |
| lbt | 2014 | 20:12 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: no | 20:12 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it is purple, like ubuntu on desktop | 20:13 |
| Venemo | I've been troubling myself with qml | 20:13 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/2/3827922/ubuntu-phone-os-announcement | 20:13 |
| Stskeeps | https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kXWnMTm7We8 | 20:13 |
| Venemo | lol | 20:13 |
| Venemo | it's like everyone is doing a phone os nowadays | 20:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | indeed | 20:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | because everybody can | 20:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ... thanks to Qt | 20:13 |
| shmerl | Hi. Any idea what they mean: "yet it uses the same drivers as Android."? http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone | 20:14 |
| * Sfiet_Konstantin think about libhybris | 20:14 | |
| shmerl | How exactly they just use all the same drivers? | 20:14 |
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| Stskeeps | shmerl: i think the answer is libhybris there.. | 20:14 |
| Venemo | either they copied libhybris from Stskeeps or made something similar of their own | 20:15 |
| Venemo | ok | 20:15 |
| Venemo | I need a QML expert | 20:15 |
| Venemo | can't solve something | 20:15 |
| shmerl | Yeah, would be interesting if they could clarify this. | 20:15 |
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| jstaniek | Stskeeps: hmm, ubuntu phone uses QML? | 20:27 |
| Stskeeps | sure | 20:27 |
| Stskeeps | what else would you use if you were sane? :) | 20:27 |
| jstaniek | that's the first I doubly checked | 20:27 |
| jstaniek | what happens to GNOME then? late adopters? ;) | 20:28 |
| lbt | Venemo: did you pastie the QML problem ? | 20:28 |
| Stskeeps | jstaniek: i have my opinions on how gnome failed to enter the space :P | 20:28 |
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| Stskeeps | well | 20:29 |
| Stskeeps | they entered it with maemo | 20:29 |
| jstaniek | Stskeeps: doubly interesting times ahead :) | 20:29 |
| Stskeeps | yup | 20:29 |
| jstaniek | btw, I am looking for imx6 (Single or Dual) dev boards, is there anything cheaper than the ones on freescale.com? | 20:30 |
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| shmerl | It's good that they use qt5 - lot's of potential to share the developer base and applications. | 20:31 |
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| Venemo | lbt: yes I did | 20:32 |
| Venemo | lbt: although it seems that I've solved it | 20:33 |
| lbt | cool | 20:33 |
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| Venemo | transitions are a pain in QML | 20:36 |
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| sivang | Andy80: it is not open source......"yet".. | 20:46 |
| Venemo | hey sivang :) | 20:47 |
| sivang | hey Venemo sup? | 20:48 |
| Venemo | fine :) | 20:48 |
| Venemo | working on a Qt Quick 2.0 UI for IRC Chatter | 20:48 |
| Venemo | found a bunch of bugs in Qt 5 so far | 20:48 |
| sivang | Venemo: well ofcourse, it is a young release :) | 20:49 |
| Venemo | sivang: if I were in a bad mood, I would say some offending words about it too | 20:50 |
| sivang | lol | 20:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | IRC Chatter on everything! | 20:51 |
| sivang | GeneralAntilles: haha | 20:51 |
| Venemo | sivang: anyway, it is very nice to see you back in the community :) | 20:51 |
| sivang | Venemo: I'm here and there, twitter is easier when you're on the road and dealing with pesky real life stuff | 20:51 |
| sivang | Venemo: you wanted to discuss stuff? | 20:51 |
| Venemo | sivang: yes, sent you a PM | 20:52 |
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| zenvoid | Stskeeps: of course I can be wrong, but I have the impression that ubuntu phone is achieving android hw compatibility because they have built qt and their user interface on top of the actual android core system | 22:23 |
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| shmerl | zenovid: Then it's a fake Ubuntu. | 22:25 |
| zenvoid | ubuntu is just a brand, they can use it on any product they want | 22:26 |
| shmerl | So far they were very vague about exact architectural approach. | 22:26 |
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| zenvoid | that's my prediction ;) | 22:28 |
| zenvoid | no glibc | 22:29 |
| shmerl | I doubt it. Since they'll loose out on all their repos and it would be rather stupid for them. | 22:31 |
| zenvoid | why stupid? | 22:32 |
| shmerl | Possibly some chroot with X running over Android graphical stack. | 22:33 |
| shmerl | Stupid since they won't be able to leverage any existing reposiotries which are vast (coming from Debian). | 22:33 |
| shmerl | Libraries, and etc. | 22:33 |
| shmerl | Unless they port them all to bionic instead of glibc. | 22:34 |
| shmerl | which is an insane amount of work. | 22:34 |
| zenvoid | well, I consider running X over android also a possibility included in my prediction... | 22:34 |
| zenvoid | consider it this way: google develops them the core system, they only maintain their UI and possible their patches to qt | 22:35 |
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| zenvoid | they don't need to worry about hw compatibility | 22:35 |
| shmerl | zenovid: They already have Ubuntu for Android project. I think this one is different. | 22:35 |
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| zenvoid | yes, this one is different, is a new UI with qt | 22:36 |
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| zenvoid | and no java VM | 22:36 |
| zenvoid | but I still thinking it wll be based on android libs | 22:37 |
| shmerl | Well, Firefox OS did that, but it's sort of cheating. | 22:37 |
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| zenvoid | if I were to *commercially* launch a new phone platform, I think I will cheat too | 22:46 |
| zenvoid | anyways... they don't seem to mention the license of the source code, I'll wait for that... | 22:47 |
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| Venemo | shmerl, zenvoid: or just libhybris | 23:06 |
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| shmerl | Venemo: Yeah, but they didn't credit libhybris anywhere so far. That's not new to Ubuntu - they don't often credit Debian either. But still. | 23:07 |
| Venemo | maybe they are even using lipstick | 23:08 |
| Venemo | who knows | 23:08 |
| Venemo | I'm not surprised they are not crediting | 23:08 |
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| shmerl | I'm not surprised either, but that doesn't mean it's good :) | 23:11 |
| shmerl | Like that joke went: What many people don't understand about Linux development is that it's truly a team effort: Red Hat develops the kernel, Novell develops the applications, Debian does the packaging, and Ubuntu takes the credit! —Joke found on a bathroom stall at LinuxWorld Boston 2005 | 23:14 |
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| rcg | we are all in the same boat, the army rows, the navy navigates, and the air-force does water skiing | 23:20 |
| rcg | or so.. a rough translation of a proverb i heard back in the times when i was in the army ;) | 23:21 |
| Venemo | hehe | 23:24 |
| Venemo | so my opinion on the ubuntu phone announcement: | 23:24 |
| Venemo | lots of bullshit and eye-candy, but limited usability | 23:24 |
| Venemo | lots of little things from familiar places copied together | 23:25 |
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| Venemo | as always, they are bullshitting very nicely | 23:26 |
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| Venemo | but let's see how they will manage | 23:26 |
| Venemo | although they should've invested in Jolla :P | 23:28 |
| shmerl | Venemo: The same way they could be invested in Debian in the first place?-) | 23:28 |
| shmerl | Canonical just likes to do their own thing, so that's the basic drive. | 23:29 |
| Venemo | dunno | 23:29 |
| shmerl | I mean it's more political, than really a technical issue. | 23:30 |
| Venemo | Canonical also likes to do things dirty and give people lots of bullshit | 23:30 |
| shmerl | Well, that comes in addition. | 23:30 |
| Venemo | :D | 23:30 |
| Venemo | nice thing is that they're using Qt! | 23:30 |
| shmerl | Right. | 23:30 |
| Venemo | so at least they got that right | 23:31 |
| Venemo | but wtf. since when are they the "best linux on ARM"? | 23:32 |
| Venemo | lol | 23:32 |
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| shmerl | They aren't newcomers to claims that they are best :) | 23:33 |
| shmerl | But there is a good side if they'll push for more drivers and devices. | 23:34 |
| shmerl | They did a decent job with Nexus 7. | 23:34 |
| shmerl | Did they manage to get some missing drivers, or all of them were available already before their efforts? | 23:35 |
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| Venemo | shmerl: not sure | 23:42 |
| Venemo | anyway, I'm gonna sleep now | 23:42 |
| Venemo | have a nice evening :) | 23:42 |
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| shmerl | Night | 23:43 |
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