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| lbt | merry christmas btw :) | 00:02 |
| rcg | lbt, thx, merry christmas too :) | 00:04 |
| rcg | and thx, works again | 00:07 |
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| CosmoHill | night night | 00:25 |
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| Stskeeps | morn | 07:32 |
| dm8tbr | mooo | 07:33 |
| situ | Morning everyone | 07:35 |
| situ | Merry Christmas | 07:36 |
| Stskeeps | thanks | 07:38 |
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| kulve | rcg: your effort mentioned in lwn.net (among of couple of other similar things) :) | 08:30 |
| * Stskeeps hopes it helps getting tegra3 seen as a viable oss platform too | 08:31 | |
| kulve | no URL as I'm ircing with android tablet.. | 08:31 |
| kulve | stskeeps: yeah, me too | 08:32 |
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| cxl000 | Good morning and a Merry Christmas. | 08:43 |
| Stskeeps | you too, cxl000 | 08:43 |
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| lbt | Merry christmass all | 09:44 |
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| situ | lbt: Same to you | 09:54 |
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| iekku_ | lbt, same to you | 10:02 |
| rcg | kulve, well, it's our effort :) | 10:04 |
| rcg | and, yes, it's very nice to see platforms being opened for open source efforts :) | 10:04 |
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| rcg | and from my past experience with the omap on archos g9, it was very easy to get a reasonable system running on the tegra 3, especially as we have hw-accel (3d+video) and resume suspend running at the same time :) | 10:07 |
| rcg | also merry christmas to all once more ;) | 10:08 |
| rcg | bbl breakfast | 10:08 |
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| rcg | btw. while talking about tegra3, does anybody have information about the wwan (umts/3g) chip in the nexus7 3g models? | 10:30 |
| rcg | i have been trying to dig into this yesterday night but didn't really find much valuable information | 10:31 |
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| rcg | or i was just too sleepy and blind to actually notice valuable information ;) | 10:31 |
| Stskeeps | does it speak AT commands? | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:32 |
| rcg | Stskeeps, i don't even know the device node to which i should send AT commands xD | 10:33 |
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| rcg | i might give the /dev/ttyHSx nodes one more try today | 10:33 |
| Stskeeps | go look at the RIL for nexus7? | 10:33 |
| rcg | ril? | 10:33 |
| dm8tbr | radio interface layer | 10:33 |
| Bostik | "phone" libraries | 10:34 |
| rcg | ah, ok | 10:34 |
| dm8tbr | if it's ttyHSx then it's likely 'easy' | 10:34 |
| dm8tbr | anyway, you want to make ofono speak to it | 10:34 |
| rcg | will look there | 10:34 |
| dm8tbr | look at how it's done for nemo | 10:35 |
| rcg | dm8tbr, for pa on archos g9 i just used networkmanager and modemmanager | 10:35 |
| rcg | but that one was pretty easy as it shows up as ttyUSBx | 10:35 |
| dm8tbr | sure that would work too | 10:35 |
| rcg | dm8tbr, Stskeeps thanks for the hints :) | 10:36 |
| dm8tbr | ofono is just a more common embedded choice, while NM/MM is more of an desktop/laptop thing | 10:36 |
| rcg | that gives me some more "attack vectors" on that problem :) | 10:37 |
| rcg | dm8tbr, i see | 10:37 |
| rcg | well, i actually don't care about the system ;) my first goal would be to get 3g networking running | 10:37 |
| dm8tbr | wvdial :> | 10:38 |
| dm8tbr | or chat + pppd | 10:38 |
| rcg | true | 10:38 |
| dm8tbr | I'd also check how the modem is connected. if it's USB then you can get a lot of hints already from vid/pid | 10:39 |
| rcg | but well... first task is to identify the device :) | 10:39 |
| rcg | nope, lsusb only shows a single usb hub thing | 10:39 |
| rcg | i have the suspicion that the device at ttyHSx is actually the gps chip | 10:42 |
| rcg | which would be also cool to get to work :) | 10:42 |
| dm8tbr | on a 3G model they might be using the modem built in gps functionality | 10:43 |
| rcg | oh, so these may actually be the very same tty device | 10:44 |
| rcg | good to know | 10:44 |
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| vgrade | turkey in time some of the bubbly stuff | 11:35 |
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| TomaszD | Hey Stskeeps, happy holidays! | 11:37 |
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| Stskeeps | thanks, you too | 11:38 |
| TomaszD | Got myself a nexus 7 3G | 11:38 |
| TomaszD | This tablet fad finally makes sense | 11:38 |
| kysse | same here | 11:41 |
| kysse | n73G rocks hard | 11:41 |
| TomaszD | using voice input is fantastic | 11:43 |
| TomaszD | I'm actually not touching the keyboard at all | 11:43 |
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| kysse | havent tried that yet | 11:43 |
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| TomaszD | Yeah voice input is amazing | 11:43 |
| TomaszD | For the ultimate lazy person | 11:44 |
| kysse | "open door" :P | 11:44 |
| kysse | "make me a sandwich" | 11:45 |
| TomaszD | I'm afraid I cannot allow that | 11:45 |
| TomaszD | So satisfying to speak rather than type this thing | 11:45 |
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| TomaszD | Stskeeps: how's sailfish coming along? | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | TomaszD: good, thanks | 14:30 |
| Stskeeps | right now i'm working on wayland on top of android gpu drivers, much fun | 14:30 |
| TomaszD | Hah | 14:30 |
| Stskeeps | the android graphics stack has a high level of WTF's per line of code | 14:30 |
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| TomaszD | It does work though | 14:31 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | hello :) | 14:31 |
| Stskeeps | it does | 14:31 |
| Stskeeps | just like a linux distribution does, but touch one thing, and the whole thing falls apart | 14:31 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:32 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Stskeeps: hi | 14:32 |
| TomaszD | So exactly like a Linux distribution | 14:32 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | back from my Iconia tab adventure | 14:32 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Booting Plasma active was a success :) | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | Sfiet_Konstantin: congrats :) | 14:32 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but touch screen do not work | 14:32 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sadly | 14:32 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | will need a custom x11 driver | 14:33 |
| Stskeeps | installed and configured xorg-x11-drv-mtev ? | 14:33 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | will check | 14:33 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | currently, I'm missing a keyboard to debug | 14:33 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | well, to enter commands actually :D | 14:33 |
| Stskeeps | ssh over usb network is your friend | 14:33 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Stskeeps: do you think that it might be better to create a simple image and flash instead of running a fully fledged PA ? | 14:34 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Stskeeps: indeed, but, the iconia do NOT have usb | 14:34 |
| Stskeeps | really? | 14:34 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it have USB "host" | 14:34 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | well, it is like a comp | 14:34 |
| Stskeeps | .. how does it charge? | 14:34 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:34 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | not like a phone | 14:34 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | with a proprietary plug | 14:34 |
| Stskeeps | fun | 14:34 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | imagine the iconia as a computer | 14:34 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | without kw | 14:34 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | kb | 14:34 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but with a touchscreen | 14:35 |
| Stskeeps | well, in that case, get a usb ethernet adaptor and stop crying | 14:35 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:35 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | you get an iconia W series (W = Windows obviously) | 14:35 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :P | 14:35 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | or a keyboard | 14:35 |
| Stskeeps | or that | 14:35 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | tomorrow I will get one :) | 14:35 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | so | 14:35 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | do you think that shipping a simple image, like the one you use for testing libhybris (spinning mer) | 14:35 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | is nice ? | 14:35 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | or testing with PA or nemo is better ? | 14:36 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I think I will use KDE adaptations, they seems to have done a rather good job | 14:36 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | instead of using Nemo i584 | 14:36 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | i586 | 14:36 |
| TomaszD | Wonder if there's a sailfish port for the nexus 7 | 14:36 |
| Venemo_N9 | hey guys | 14:36 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Venemo_N9: o/ | 14:37 |
| Venemo_N9 | what's up? | 14:37 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | TomaszD: there is a Ubuntu port ongoing, meaning that a Mer port is close | 14:37 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | nice | 14:37 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | how is holiday ? | 14:37 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I got a new tablet to hack on :) | 14:37 |
| TomaszD | Cool | 14:37 |
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| Venemo_N9 | TomaszD, Sfiet_Konstantin, I think rcg knows more | 14:37 |
| * Sfiet_Konstantin loves that for "normal people" a low range windows tablet is crap, but for a hacker it is heaven :D | 14:38 | |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Venemo_N9: and jukkaeklund is trying to have fun with his N7 as well | 14:38 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | android is good for 5 min, but after that ... | 14:38 |
| TomaszD | Windows 8 or rt? | 14:38 |
| Stskeeps | TomaszD: mer/plasma active runs there | 14:38 |
| TomaszD | Nice | 14:39 |
| Venemo_N9 | low range windows tablet?? | 14:39 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Venemo_N9: I have an iconia tab w500 | 14:39 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | yes, it is a windows tablet (windows 7 :P) | 14:39 |
| Venemo_N9 | ah | 14:39 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it is very nice to hack | 14:39 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | bios, x86 | 14:39 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | you know, nice stuff to run Linux | 14:39 |
| TomaszD | Low range you know, small tank, high mpg | 14:40 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | well, for now it is a low range | 14:40 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | even if the CPU is really enough to do anything | 14:40 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it is not for Android | 14:40 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and even worse for Windows 7 | 14:40 |
| TomaszD | Maybe free range, like eggs | 14:41 |
| Venemo_N9 | what kind of hw does it have? | 14:41 |
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| TomaszD | Hardware is low range | 14:43 |
| TomaszD | I'm sorry, I may be drunk already | 14:43 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | maybe | 14:43 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | AMD Fusion C-50 / 1 GHz Dual Core CPU | 14:44 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | DDR3 2GB Memory & SSD 32GIG Storage | 14:44 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | AMD Radeon HD 6250 Graphics | 14:44 |
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| TomaszD | Oh god | 14:44 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | the CPU is "low range" | 14:44 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but actually, it is really pretty decent | 14:44 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Android on it is laggy, dunno why | 14:44 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but we can get something from it | 14:44 |
| TomaszD | You probably mean low end | 14:44 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | seriously, 2 gig of ram | 14:44 |
| TomaszD | I had a net book with that cpu | 14:45 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | TomaszD: you know, give it to anyone | 14:45 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | (stock) and that person will say | 14:45 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | oh god | 14:45 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | so slow | 14:45 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | oh damn, crappy low end tablet | 14:45 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but actually everything is nice it it | 14:45 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | in it | 14:45 |
| TomaszD | Except the hardware | 14:46 |
| TomaszD | ;) | 14:46 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | come on | 14:47 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it is nice | 14:47 |
| TomaszD | I had a net book with c50 because it was the only one with a 1280x720 10 inch screen | 14:47 |
| TomaszD | I think it was an acer | 14:47 |
| TomaszD | Wasn't terrible, wasn't good either... | 14:48 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it seems that only acer is using the c50 | 14:48 |
| TomaszD | Battery life was worse than atom by far without a clear advantage | 14:48 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | well | 14:48 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | anyway | 14:49 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it is a hackable platform | 14:49 |
| TomaszD | :) | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | Sfiet_Konstantin: how's battery life? | 14:49 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | hum | 14:50 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it last one day | 14:50 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | yesterday | 14:50 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but it is because I'm constantly turning it off | 14:50 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | (the android version I'm using do not manage sleeping) | 14:50 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | so maybe 3 to 5 hours | 14:50 |
| Stskeeps | so, they have android-x86 on that normally? | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | like, oob | 14:51 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | no | 14:52 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I flashed it | 14:52 |
| Stskeeps | ah, what'd it have before? | 14:53 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | hum | 14:53 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | windows 7 | 14:53 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ... | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 14:53 |
| TomaszD | Windows 7 is a perfect tablet os | 14:53 |
| TomaszD | In hell | 14:54 |
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| Stskeeps | evening | 16:52 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | Stskeeps: I need some help | 16:57 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Why are my images not able to find the root file system ? | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | what kind of image | 16:57 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I'm trying to build a basic image | 16:58 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | with only mer core and kernel-adaptation-pc | 16:58 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I'm building it with mic (using livecd) | 16:58 |
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| Stskeeps | perhaps liveusb is better? | 17:00 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I'm trying actually :D | 17:01 |
| * Stskeeps watches https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUOVJeOR77M | 17:01 | |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but I thought that the livecd were hybrid | 17:01 |
| Stskeeps | worth checkign anyhow | 17:01 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | well | 17:03 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it do not seems to find the root device either | 17:04 |
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| Stskeeps | why does every other UI than sailfish look boring today? | 17:06 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:06 |
| TomaszD_ | UI should be boring enough to get out of my way | 17:09 |
| TomaszD_ | For that, latest android is great | 17:10 |
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| phaeron | Stskeeps: chunked transfer implemented. seems to work , will test some more later. | 17:14 |
| Stskeeps | cool, good work | 17:15 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | hum | 17:19 |
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| Stskeeps | mm? | 17:31 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | Stskeeps: I'm stupid you know | 17:42 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | trying to boot from the SD card | 17:42 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | the SD card was not recognized, thus, not finding the root folder | 17:42 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ... | 17:42 |
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| Stskeeps | ah | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | well that doesn't help | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:43 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I'm kinda happy now, it boots | 17:45 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | now, let's try X | 17:45 |
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| Stskeeps | jstaniek: merry xmas to you and your family :) | 20:00 |
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| jstaniek | merry xmas Stskeeps, hugs to your family too :) | 20:14 |
| * jstaniek tested e17 on opensuse - filemanager's experience is worse for me than kfm from KDE 1; txt files require libreoffice to open... | 20:15 | |
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| jstaniek | still impressive piece of code considering that's built without object orientation | 20:17 |
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| niqt | merry christmas | 20:23 |
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| Stskeeps | jstaniek: yeah, even gobject is a step up ;) | 20:31 |
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| jstaniek | Stskeeps: I wanted to say exactly this but I remember you mentioning the topic about toxic behaviour on a mailing list :) | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | saw http://maui-project.org/ ? | 20:33 |
| jstaniek | no | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | worth a look, qt5, qml compositor+wayland based | 20:33 |
| jstaniek | wow, bookmarked | 20:34 |
| jstaniek | Stskeeps: BTW, in 2009 I offered help to supplement E* libs with QObjects and other goodies; now it's too late, too far ;) that was before raster came to Samsung permamently and I even had funding for that secured... | 20:35 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. well, we ended up with qml and we're happy now ;) | 20:37 |
| jstaniek | Stskeeps: I will test it - thanks | 20:37 |
| jstaniek | yes | 20:37 |
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| Stskeeps | finally qt5 is out and you can start doing things on it, that doesn't break next week cos of a change.. | 20:42 |
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| Stskeeps | jstaniek, meet plfiorini - he's from maui :) | 20:49 |
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| jstaniek | plfiorini: hi, impressive project | 20:49 |
| plfiorini | hi jstaniek, thanks :) | 20:49 |
| jstaniek | first question that pops up - what would be the relationship to Plasma Active... | 20:50 |
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| plfiorini | jstaniek, i'm using some code from plasma for the qml stuff (components like buttons, etc...) | 20:51 |
| plfiorini | jstaniek, but i would like to be plain-qt | 20:51 |
| jstaniek | plfiorini: plasma active would benefit from KDE Frameworks 5 - a set of Qt-only libs anyway | 20:52 |
| jstaniek | KDE libs will longer be so all-or-nothing | 20:52 |
| plfiorini | jstaniek, the qml components for desktop has an interesting approach to styles that allows you to write qml code | 20:53 |
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| plfiorini | jstaniek, it depends on how KF5 will come out, i mean if you need to link to all the libraries instead of one gigantic kdelibs it doesn't change much | 20:54 |
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| plfiorini | jstaniek, i guess at least some redundant classes will go away like kmessagebox, kbutton, etc... | 20:55 |
| jstaniek | yes | 20:56 |
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| jstaniek | plfiorini: BTW my favourite presentation at QtDD was life coding by Jens (https://qtconference.kdab.com/node/23#Desktop_Components), I talked to him because I'm having trouble reimplementing database table view (from Kexi) in a future-proof way and to open up for mobile form factors | 20:57 |
| jstaniek | plfiorini: http://community.kde.org/Frameworks/Epics/Splitting_kdelibs | 20:58 |
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| plfiorini | luckily during the holidays i will manage to catch up with QtDD slides | 20:58 |
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| plfiorini | jstaniek, hope that desktop and mobile qml components will be standardized | 21:00 |
| jstaniek | yes | 21:00 |
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| jstaniek | until then I am afraid of being early adopter on desktop in a 1+ MSLOC project such as Calligra ;) | 21:03 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | plfiorini: well, that's rather a dream considering how eg MeeGo / BB cascades components are designed | 21:04 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | hope that desktop will be unified on all platforms, like Qt (widgets) before | 21:04 |
| plfiorini | Sfiet_Konstantin, I would consider BB Cascades a special but it's tree for MeeGo and Symbian (which is probably irrelevant today) | 21:06 |
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| jstaniek | QWidgets on desktop will survive - spearating logic from view isn't always the top priority.. | 21:06 |
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| rcg | evening | 21:13 |
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| niqt | hi rcg | 21:15 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | plfiorini: about meego, it is indeed | 21:15 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but sailfish is coming, with their own set of components | 21:15 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I think that it will not really possible to unite QML components under mobile platform | 21:16 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but under desktop it should be ok | 21:16 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | jstaniek: well, QWidgets are very good, but when you try QML, you cannot really go back ... | 21:16 |
| Stskeeps | well, there's a few differences but they semi-follow qt components.. | 21:16 |
| Stskeeps | need to do better, let's see how they go | 21:17 |
| Stskeeps | in practice you'd end up doing different uis on different targets anyway | 21:17 |
| jstaniek | Sfiet_Konstantin: well, both ahve strong use cases, when your requirements do nto include anything QML gives, switching makes no sense | 21:17 |
| jstaniek | i.e. non-animated UIs | 21:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | jstaniek: I feel that the declarative code from QML makes coding UI a bit faster | 21:18 |
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| jstaniek | similarly, you won't write Excel rendering with QML, but you do with C++ | 21:18 |
| jstaniek | (and calligra does it) | 21:18 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | especially on Desktop, where GUI is very complicated | 21:18 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | well, if I have to design a spreadsheet program | 21:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | assuming QML desktop components | 21:19 |
| jstaniek | Sfiet_Konstantin: if separating UI an logic gives bo benefits, QML is way slower and maintenance is more costly | 21:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I will design the center sheet in C++ exposing in QML | 21:19 |
| rcg | hey niqt :) | 21:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and build the toolbars etc in QML | 21:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | simple stuff in qml complicated in C++ | 21:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | jstaniek: true about maintenance however | 21:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it is very costly | 21:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | QML sadly is code that you write and forget to read after | 21:20 |
| rcg | niqt, i hope you and your family have a nice christmas :) | 21:20 |
| jstaniek | Sfiet_Konstantin: for desktop (statistically) layouts are simple, there are many views/windows; good UX design means the layout cannot be too hard, there's tool like Form Layout for example | 21:20 |
| jstaniek | Sfiet_Konstantin: write-only code cannot happen regardless on language you use, that's why I detest the way how EFL and GTK+ code look | 21:21 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | jstaniek: that's true | 21:21 |
| niqt | rcg, yes i hope the same for you | 21:21 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but I'm assuming the perfect situation, where you can write easy stuff (toolbars, menus) in QML | 21:22 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | while writing complex components in C++ | 21:22 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I hope that one day, Qt (5) will allow that | 21:22 |
| rcg | niqt, great. same here :) | 21:24 |
| jstaniek | Sfiet_Konstantin: it's possible in Qt 4 and 5 | 21:29 |
| jstaniek | Sfiet_Konstantin: you just cannot use declarative language in C++ because it's imperative, so you provide canvas-based components in C++ that you combine/extend in declarative QML | 21:30 |
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| Artox | Good Evening. SOme progress on my GTA04 | 22:27 |
| Artox | apparently X.org finished loading | 22:27 |
| Artox | instead of X starting, white screen, then back to console repetitive I now get black screen | 22:28 |
| Artox | journalctl says uxlaunch[99]: X.Org X Server 1.13.0 as latest | 22:28 |
| Artox | Dec 25 22:29:19 localhost uxlaunch[373]: Unable to find session "/usr/share/xsessions/default.desktop.desktop"! | 22:30 |
| Artox | this line is troublesome | 22:30 |
| Artox | qmlviewer does not start by default as I did expect | 22:31 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Artox: just a stupid question, did you have a file in /usr/share/xsessions/default.desktop.desktop ? | 22:34 |
| Artox | andI got the OpenGL-ES libraries working as proof of concept on debian squeeze, not on Mer yet(using same kernel version, but still, TI binaries seem to not run. I start them and they terminate apparently without issue but they dont produce output as tehy should) | 22:34 |
| Artox | /usr/share/xsessions is empty | 22:35 |
| Artox | I was using teh kickstart file xorg connectivity qmlviewer | 22:35 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | well, if you use uxlaunch, you need this file | 22:35 |
| Artox | and I expected qmlviewer to start automagically | 22:35 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I'm doing the same | 22:35 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I have to check | 22:35 |
| Artox | anyway it is progress that X starts flawlessly from uxlaunch now | 22:37 |
| Artox | and I cna run qmlviewer manually by ssh | 22:37 |
| Artox | just to find out whats wrong with my graphcis drivers | 22:38 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | good :) | 22:38 |
| Artox | also, even without graphics drivers, I wonder how to proceed getting a nice version of Mer on my phone. I guess I should fetch some UI | 22:38 |
| Artox | could it be about my ti bianries beeing softfloat builds? | 22:39 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | maybe | 22:40 |
| Artox | I believe they yare but I am not completely sure, I have them wokring on an softfloat armv4 version of debian | 22:40 |
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| Artox | beagleboard people do have hardfloat builds of the GL libraries | 22:43 |
| Artox | are there any pointers in here to kickstart files that provide an UI that are useful to develop further? | 22:47 |
| Artox | or perhaps pointers on how to proceed(possibyl making an OBS account on meego obs to make a kenrel package | 22:48 |
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| Venemo | hey guys | 23:12 |
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| rcg | hey Venemo | 23:13 |
| Artox | \o | 23:13 |
| rcg | enjoying the christmas holidays? :) | 23:14 |
| Venemo | yeah, you could say that | 23:14 |
| Artox | Couldn't load library libGL.so: libGL.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directoryUnable to initialise egl; so the beagleboard hardfloat TI binaries are different :| | 23:14 |
| rcg | great | 23:15 |
| rcg | so far i also had a nice time with family and especially my fiancee :) | 23:15 |
| rcg | Artox, ti + opengl seems to be a great pain, unfortunately :/ | 23:16 |
| rcg | you need to find the right combo of arch, xorg abi, and kernel version | 23:17 |
| rcg | and then keep your fingers crossed that this actually works as you want | 23:17 |
| Artox | well, I do have a kernel version and TI bianries that work(but softfloat) | 23:19 |
| Artox | and I do have same kernel version and Mer(hardfloat) and some TI binaries for beagleboard(also hardfloat) | 23:20 |
| Artox | just need to get thsoe working now | 23:20 |
| rcg | which ti binaries are you using? | 23:20 |
| Artox | http://rcn-ee.net/sgx/armhf/sgx-hardfp.tar.gz | 23:20 |
| Artox | http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#SGX_armel.2Farmhf_v3.4.x.2B | 23:20 |
| Artox | they are fitting my chip | 23:21 |
| Artox | possibly I need to execute pvrsrvinit early enough at booting | 23:21 |
| Artox | sometimes the bianries jsut dont run | 23:22 |
| Artox | I execute them and nothinh happens | 23:22 |
| Artox | and then tehy bark about libGL.so missing | 23:22 |
| Artox | or claim PVR INIT failed | 23:22 |
| Artox | but I guess I broke my mer | 23:22 |
| Artox | Failed to get D-Bus connection: No connection to service manager. whne i try to stop uxlaunch | 23:23 |
| Artox | there is still teh chance my kernel config file is invalid | 23:24 |
| rcg | well, i'm afraid i cannot be very much of a help with that one :/ | 23:24 |
| Artox | that I missed sth | 23:24 |
| rcg | been just messing quite some time with ti on archos g9 | 23:25 |
| rcg | omap4, i.e. | 23:25 |
| Artox | I should try with original manufacturer kernel | 23:26 |
| Artox | still, what kickstart file would I use to do more than jsut getting Xorg working? | 23:28 |
| Venemo | rcg: I'm just happy I could get away from coding and just relax :) | 23:30 |
| Artox | rcg: do you hjappen to know where one could package his kernel for a device so it can be autoincluded in a kickstart file --> image? | 23:33 |
| rcg | Venemo, that's great :D | 23:35 |
| Venemo | rcg: my next mission is to get myself back to finish the Nemo home screen | 23:36 |
| rcg | Venemo, after getting hw-accelerated video working with the stock player in plasma active on nexus 7, i am now tearing my hear out on the attempt to get 3g working on nexus 7 in pa | 23:36 |
| Venemo | rcg: but once you've had enough of coding for work, it's hard to start coding for a hobby | 23:36 |
| Venemo | rcg: you should've got the version without 3G, then you wouldn't have this trouble :P | 23:37 |
| rcg | Venemo, yeah.. also need to lots of coding for my phd stuff xD | 23:38 |
| rcg | Venemo, well i got both (unfortunately?) xD | 23:38 |
| Venemo | rcg: both? | 23:38 |
| Venemo | rcg: why would anyone need two tablets? :P | 23:38 |
| rcg | well.. put it that way: i have access to both ;) | 23:38 |
| Venemo | :D | 23:38 |
| Venemo | I see. | 23:38 |
| rcg | Artox, i think getting the kernel to build on obs would be a start | 23:39 |
| Venemo | I thought about getting a tablet for myself, but instead of that I decided to replace my laptop with an ultrabook | 23:39 |
| rcg | Artox, that's at least how i got the nexus 7 kernel included into the image via a .ks file | 23:39 |
| rcg | Venemo, i think that's the better decision | 23:40 |
| rcg | have an ultrabook (or nearly that class) laptop myself and i love it | 23:40 |
| rcg | long battery run time + low weight is just great | 23:40 |
| Venemo | rcg: yeah. it's a very nice and sturdy laptop, and very small too | 23:40 |
| rcg | safes you so much trouble and makes working so much more convenient | 23:41 |
| Venemo | rcg: although battery life could be better | 23:41 |
| rcg | Venemo, on linux? | 23:41 |
| rcg | had a look with powertop? | 23:41 |
| Artox | <rcg> Artox, i think getting the kernel to build on obs would be a start | 23:41 |
| Artox | COBS? | 23:41 |
| rcg | Artox, yep, cobs | 23:41 |
| Venemo | rcg: this one lasts for 4-5 hours on either windows or linux. mostly depending on whether I have radios on or off | 23:41 |
| Artox | k | 23:42 |
| Artox | will do so tomorrow or so | 23:42 |
| Artox | bb | 23:42 |
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| Venemo | rcg: powertop's suggestions don't make that much of a difference. but at least it lasts equally as long with Linux as with Windows | 23:42 |
| rcg | Venemo, hmm, i see. maybe you can squeeze a bit when investigating with powertop? | 23:43 |
| Venemo | rcg: yes, a bit | 23:43 |
| rcg | i.e. squeeze a bit of runtime out of it ;) | 23:43 |
| Venemo | rcg: turning off the wifi and bluetooth can save ~1h. all the powertop suggestions together save ~0.5h | 23:43 |
| rcg | i see | 23:44 |
| Venemo | rcg: with everything off and brightness on minimum, it lasts ~5-5.5h depending on usage | 23:44 |
| rcg | ok, so i assume you are already optimized to the max ;) | 23:44 |
| Venemo | if I turn on bluetooth and wifi and get to a moderate amount of brightness then it's about 4h | 23:44 |
| Venemo | rcg: I think there are a few kernel parameters which I haven't added to this installation | 23:45 |
| rcg | but i would have assumed that an ultrabook would last longer to b honest | 23:45 |
| rcg | *be | 23:45 |
| Venemo | rcg: like i915.semaphores and some other things | 23:45 |
| Venemo | rcg: well most of them do last longer | 23:45 |
| Venemo | rcg: but this a 11" model :) | 23:45 |
| Venemo | rcg: you don't get more than 5h in the 11" form factor (not even from apple) | 23:46 |
| rcg | i added some i915 stuff to the kernel command line once.. but afaik that tweak should be included in all major distros nowadays | 23:46 |
| rcg | ah, i see :) | 23:46 |
| Venemo | the 13" version of the same machine can last for ~6-7 hours without issue. | 23:47 |
| Venemo | but this 11" one was the only one which I could get for a decent second-hand price | 23:47 |
| rcg | alright, but 11" is even more portable than those 13" versions i assume | 23:48 |
| Venemo | yeah | 23:49 |
| Venemo | well, I needed something that I can carry with me everyday (I'm going back to school next year) | 23:50 |
| rcg | back to school? | 23:50 |
| Venemo | yes | 23:51 |
| Venemo | to uni, to be exact | 23:51 |
| rcg | so what do you do? | 23:51 |
| rcg | prof? or student? | 23:51 |
| Venemo | my BSc | 23:52 |
| Venemo | I want to finish it :) | 23:52 |
| rcg | ah great :) | 23:53 |
| rcg | i wish you success with that :) | 23:53 |
| Venemo | thanks | 23:55 |
| Venemo | I still need to figure out how I can work while studying | 23:55 |
| Venemo | but I've done it before, so no big deal | 23:55 |
| rcg | oh yeah, that may be a little trouble some.. but like some of my instructors in the army used to say: "you gotta push yourself" | 23:58 |
| rcg | *troublesome | 23:58 |
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