Tuesday, 2012-12-25

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lbtrcg: restarting apache00:02
lbtmerry christmas btw :)00:02
rcglbt, thx, merry christmas too :)00:04
rcgand thx, works again00:07
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CosmoHillnight night00:25
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Stskeepsmorn07:32
dm8tbrmooo07:33
situMorning everyone07:35
situMerry Christmas07:36
Stskeepsthanks07:38
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kulvercg: your effort mentioned in lwn.net (among of couple of other similar things) :)08:30
* Stskeeps hopes it helps getting tegra3 seen as a viable oss platform too08:31
kulveno URL as I'm ircing with android tablet..08:31
kulvestskeeps: yeah, me too08:32
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cxl000Good morning and a Merry Christmas.08:43
Stskeepsyou too, cxl00008:43
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lbtMerry christmass all09:44
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situlbt: Same to you09:54
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iekku_lbt, same to you10:02
rcgkulve, well, it's our effort :)10:04
rcgand, yes, it's very nice to see platforms being opened for open source efforts :)10:04
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rcgand from my past experience with the omap on archos g9, it was very easy to get a reasonable system running on the tegra 3, especially as we have hw-accel (3d+video) and resume suspend running at the same time :)10:07
rcgalso merry christmas to all once more ;)10:08
rcgbbl breakfast10:08
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rcgbtw. while talking about tegra3, does anybody have information about the wwan (umts/3g) chip in the nexus7 3g models?10:30
rcgi have been trying to dig into this yesterday night but didn't really find much valuable information10:31
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rcgor i was just too sleepy and blind to actually notice valuable information ;)10:31
Stskeepsdoes it speak AT commands?10:32
Stskeeps:P10:32
rcgStskeeps, i don't even know the device node to which i should send AT commands xD10:33
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rcgi might give the /dev/ttyHSx nodes one more try today10:33
Stskeepsgo look at the RIL for nexus7?10:33
rcgril?10:33
dm8tbrradio interface layer10:33
Bostik"phone" libraries10:34
rcgah, ok10:34
dm8tbrif it's ttyHSx then it's likely 'easy'10:34
dm8tbranyway, you want to make ofono speak to it10:34
rcgwill look there10:34
dm8tbrlook at how it's done for nemo10:35
rcgdm8tbr, for pa on archos g9 i just used networkmanager and modemmanager10:35
rcgbut that one was pretty easy as it shows up as ttyUSBx10:35
dm8tbrsure that would work too10:35
rcgdm8tbr, Stskeeps thanks for the hints :)10:36
dm8tbrofono is just a more common embedded choice, while NM/MM is more of an desktop/laptop thing10:36
rcgthat gives me some more "attack vectors" on that problem :)10:37
rcgdm8tbr, i see10:37
rcgwell, i actually don't care about the system ;) my first goal would be to get 3g networking running10:37
dm8tbrwvdial :>10:38
dm8tbror chat + pppd10:38
rcgtrue10:38
dm8tbrI'd also check how the modem is connected. if it's USB then you can get a lot of hints already from vid/pid10:39
rcgbut well... first task is to identify the device :)10:39
rcgnope, lsusb only shows a single usb hub thing10:39
rcgi have the suspicion that the device at ttyHSx is actually the gps chip10:42
rcgwhich would be also cool to get to work :)10:42
dm8tbron a 3G model they might be using the modem built in gps functionality10:43
rcgoh, so these may actually be the very same tty device10:44
rcggood to know10:44
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vgradeturkey in time some of the bubbly stuff11:35
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TomaszDHey Stskeeps, happy holidays!11:37
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Stskeepsthanks, you too11:38
TomaszDGot myself a nexus 7 3G11:38
TomaszDThis tablet fad finally makes sense11:38
kyssesame here11:41
kyssen73G rocks hard11:41
TomaszD using voice input is fantastic11:43
TomaszD I'm actually not touching the keyboard at all11:43
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kyssehavent tried that yet11:43
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TomaszDYeah voice input is amazing11:43
TomaszDFor the ultimate lazy person11:44
kysse"open door" :P11:44
kysse"make me a sandwich"11:45
TomaszDI'm afraid I cannot allow that11:45
TomaszDSo satisfying to speak rather than type this thing11:45
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TomaszDStskeeps: how's sailfish coming along?14:29
StskeepsTomaszD: good, thanks14:30
Stskeepsright now i'm working on wayland on top of android gpu drivers, much fun14:30
TomaszDHah14:30
Stskeepsthe android graphics stack has a high level of WTF's per line of code14:30
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TomaszDIt does work though14:31
Sfiet_Konstantinhello :)14:31
Stskeepsit does14:31
Stskeepsjust like a linux distribution does, but touch one thing, and the whole thing falls apart14:31
Stskeeps:P14:32
Sfiet_KonstantinStskeeps: hi14:32
TomaszDSo exactly like a Linux distribution14:32
Sfiet_Konstantinback from my Iconia tab adventure14:32
Sfiet_KonstantinBooting Plasma active was a success :)14:32
StskeepsSfiet_Konstantin: congrats :)14:32
Sfiet_Konstantinbut touch screen do not work14:32
Sfiet_Konstantinsadly14:32
Sfiet_Konstantinwill need a custom x11 driver14:33
Stskeepsinstalled and configured xorg-x11-drv-mtev ?14:33
Sfiet_Konstantinwill check14:33
Sfiet_Konstantincurrently, I'm missing a keyboard to debug14:33
Sfiet_Konstantinwell, to enter commands actually :D14:33
Stskeepsssh over usb network is your friend14:33
Sfiet_KonstantinStskeeps: do you think that it might be better to create a simple image and flash instead of running a fully fledged PA ?14:34
Sfiet_KonstantinStskeeps: indeed, but, the iconia do NOT have usb14:34
Stskeepsreally?14:34
Sfiet_Konstantinit have USB "host"14:34
Sfiet_Konstantinwell, it is like a comp14:34
Stskeeps.. how does it charge?14:34
Stskeeps:P14:34
Sfiet_Konstantinnot like a phone14:34
Sfiet_Konstantinwith a proprietary plug14:34
Stskeepsfun14:34
Sfiet_Konstantinimagine the iconia as a computer14:34
Sfiet_Konstantinwithout kw14:34
Sfiet_Konstantinkb14:34
Sfiet_Konstantinbut with a touchscreen14:35
Stskeepswell, in that case, get a usb ethernet adaptor and stop crying14:35
Stskeeps:P14:35
Sfiet_Konstantinyou get an iconia W series (W = Windows obviously)14:35
Sfiet_Konstantin:P14:35
Sfiet_Konstantinor a keyboard14:35
Stskeepsor that14:35
Sfiet_Konstantintomorrow I will get one :)14:35
Sfiet_Konstantinso14:35
Sfiet_Konstantindo you think that shipping a simple image, like the one you use for testing libhybris (spinning mer)14:35
Sfiet_Konstantinis nice ?14:35
Sfiet_Konstantinor testing with PA or nemo is better ?14:36
Sfiet_KonstantinI think I will use KDE adaptations, they seems to have done a rather good job14:36
Sfiet_Konstantininstead of using Nemo i58414:36
Sfiet_Konstantini58614:36
TomaszDWonder if there's a sailfish port for the nexus 714:36
Venemo_N9hey guys14:36
Sfiet_KonstantinVenemo_N9: o/14:37
Venemo_N9what's up?14:37
Sfiet_KonstantinTomaszD: there is a Ubuntu port ongoing, meaning that a Mer port is close14:37
Sfiet_Konstantinnice14:37
Sfiet_Konstantinhow is holiday ?14:37
Sfiet_KonstantinI got a new tablet to hack on :)14:37
TomaszDCool14:37
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Venemo_N9TomaszD, Sfiet_Konstantin, I think rcg knows more14:37
* Sfiet_Konstantin loves that for "normal people" a low range windows tablet is crap, but for a hacker it is heaven :D14:38
Sfiet_KonstantinVenemo_N9: and jukkaeklund is trying to have fun with his N7 as well14:38
Sfiet_Konstantinandroid is good for 5 min, but after that ...14:38
TomaszDWindows 8 or rt?14:38
StskeepsTomaszD: mer/plasma active runs there14:38
TomaszDNice14:39
Venemo_N9low range windows tablet??14:39
Sfiet_KonstantinVenemo_N9: I have an iconia tab w50014:39
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Sfiet_Konstantinyes, it is a windows tablet (windows 7 :P)14:39
Venemo_N9ah14:39
Sfiet_Konstantinit is very nice to hack14:39
Sfiet_Konstantinbios, x8614:39
Sfiet_Konstantinyou know, nice stuff to run Linux14:39
TomaszDLow range you know, small tank, high mpg14:40
Sfiet_Konstantinwell, for now it is a low range14:40
Sfiet_Konstantineven if the CPU is really enough to do anything14:40
Sfiet_Konstantinit is not for Android14:40
Sfiet_Konstantinand even worse for Windows 714:40
TomaszDMaybe free range, like eggs14:41
Venemo_N9what kind of hw does it have?14:41
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TomaszDHardware is low range14:43
TomaszDI'm sorry, I may be drunk already14:43
Sfiet_Konstantinmaybe14:43
Sfiet_KonstantinAMD Fusion C-50 / 1 GHz Dual Core CPU14:44
Sfiet_KonstantinDDR3 2GB Memory & SSD 32GIG Storage14:44
Sfiet_KonstantinAMD Radeon HD 6250 Graphics14:44
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TomaszDOh god14:44
Sfiet_Konstantinthe CPU is "low range"14:44
Sfiet_Konstantinbut actually, it is really pretty decent14:44
Sfiet_KonstantinAndroid on it is laggy, dunno why14:44
Sfiet_Konstantinbut we can get something from it14:44
TomaszDYou probably mean low end14:44
Sfiet_Konstantinseriously, 2 gig of ram14:44
TomaszDI had a net book with that cpu14:45
Sfiet_KonstantinTomaszD: you know, give it to anyone14:45
Sfiet_Konstantin(stock) and that person will say14:45
Sfiet_Konstantinoh god14:45
Sfiet_Konstantinso slow14:45
Sfiet_Konstantinoh damn, crappy low end tablet14:45
Sfiet_Konstantinbut actually everything is nice it it14:45
Sfiet_Konstantinin it14:45
TomaszDExcept the hardware14:46
TomaszD;)14:46
Sfiet_Konstantincome on14:47
Sfiet_Konstantinit is nice14:47
TomaszDI had a net book with c50 because it was the only one with a 1280x720 10 inch screen14:47
TomaszDI think it was an acer14:47
TomaszDWasn't terrible, wasn't good either...14:48
Sfiet_Konstantinit seems that only acer is using the c5014:48
TomaszDBattery life was worse than atom by far without a clear advantage14:48
Sfiet_Konstantinwell14:48
Sfiet_Konstantinanyway14:49
Sfiet_Konstantinit is a hackable platform14:49
TomaszD:)14:49
StskeepsSfiet_Konstantin: how's battery life?14:49
Sfiet_Konstantinhum14:50
Sfiet_Konstantinit last one day14:50
Sfiet_Konstantinyesterday14:50
Sfiet_Konstantinbut it is because I'm constantly turning it off14:50
Sfiet_Konstantin(the android version I'm using do not manage sleeping)14:50
Sfiet_Konstantinso maybe 3 to 5 hours14:50
Stskeepsso, they have android-x86 on that normally?14:51
Stskeepslike, oob14:51
Sfiet_Konstantinno14:52
Sfiet_KonstantinI flashed it14:52
Stskeepsah, what'd it have before?14:53
Sfiet_Konstantinhum14:53
Sfiet_Konstantinwindows 714:53
Sfiet_Konstantin...14:53
Stskeepsah14:53
TomaszDWindows 7 is a perfect tablet os14:53
TomaszDIn hell14:54
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Stskeepsevening16:52
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Sfiet_KonstantinStskeeps: I need some help16:57
Sfiet_KonstantinWhy are my images not able to find the root file system ?16:57
Stskeepswhat kind of image16:57
Sfiet_KonstantinI'm trying to build a basic image16:58
Sfiet_Konstantinwith only mer core and kernel-adaptation-pc16:58
Sfiet_KonstantinI'm building it with mic (using livecd)16:58
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Stskeepsperhaps liveusb is better?17:00
Sfiet_KonstantinI'm trying actually :D17:01
* Stskeeps watches https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUOVJeOR77M17:01
Sfiet_Konstantinbut I thought that the livecd were hybrid17:01
Stskeepsworth checkign anyhow17:01
Sfiet_Konstantinwell17:03
Sfiet_Konstantinit do not seems to find the root device either17:04
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Stskeepswhy does every other UI than sailfish look boring today?17:06
Stskeeps:P17:06
TomaszD_UI should be boring enough to get out of my way17:09
TomaszD_For that, latest android is great17:10
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phaeronStskeeps: chunked transfer implemented. seems to work , will test some more later.17:14
Stskeepscool, good work17:15
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Sfiet_Konstantinhum17:19
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Stskeepsmm?17:31
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Sfiet_KonstantinStskeeps: I'm stupid you know17:42
Sfiet_Konstantintrying to boot from the SD card17:42
Sfiet_Konstantinthe SD card was not recognized, thus, not finding the root folder17:42
Sfiet_Konstantin...17:42
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Stskeepsah17:43
Stskeepswell that doesn't help17:43
Stskeeps:P17:43
Sfiet_KonstantinI'm kinda happy now, it boots17:45
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Sfiet_Konstantinnow, let's try X17:45
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Stskeepsjstaniek: merry xmas to you and your family :)20:00
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jstaniekmerry xmas Stskeeps, hugs to your family too :)20:14
* jstaniek tested e17 on opensuse - filemanager's experience is worse for me than kfm from KDE 1; txt files require libreoffice to open...20:15
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jstaniekstill impressive piece of code considering that's built without object orientation20:17
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niqtmerry christmas20:23
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Stskeepsjstaniek: yeah, even gobject is a step up ;)20:31
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jstaniekStskeeps: I wanted to say exactly this but I remember you mentioning the topic about toxic behaviour on a mailing list :)20:33
Stskeepshehe20:33
Stskeepssaw http://maui-project.org/ ?20:33
jstaniekno20:33
Stskeepsworth a look, qt5, qml compositor+wayland based20:33
jstaniekwow, bookmarked20:34
jstaniekStskeeps: BTW, in 2009 I offered help to supplement E* libs with QObjects and other goodies; now it's too late, too far ;) that was before raster came to Samsung permamently and I even had funding for that secured...20:35
Stskeepsyeah.. well, we ended up with qml and we're happy now ;)20:37
jstaniekStskeeps: I will test it - thanks20:37
jstaniekyes20:37
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Stskeepsfinally qt5 is out and you can start doing things on it, that doesn't break next week cos of a change..20:42
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Stskeepsjstaniek, meet plfiorini - he's from maui :)20:49
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jstaniekplfiorini: hi, impressive project20:49
plfiorinihi jstaniek, thanks :)20:49
jstaniekfirst question that pops up - what would be the relationship to Plasma Active...20:50
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plfiorinijstaniek, i'm using some code from plasma for the qml stuff (components like buttons, etc...)20:51
plfiorinijstaniek, but i would like to be plain-qt20:51
jstaniekplfiorini: plasma active would benefit from KDE Frameworks 5 - a set of Qt-only libs anyway20:52
jstaniekKDE libs will longer be so all-or-nothing20:52
plfiorinijstaniek, the qml components for desktop has an interesting approach to styles that allows you to write qml code20:53
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plfiorinijstaniek, it depends on how KF5 will come out, i mean if you need to link to all the libraries instead of one gigantic kdelibs it doesn't change much20:54
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plfiorinijstaniek, i guess at least some redundant classes will go away like kmessagebox, kbutton, etc...20:55
jstaniekyes20:56
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jstaniekplfiorini: BTW my favourite presentation at QtDD was life coding by Jens (https://qtconference.kdab.com/node/23#Desktop_Components), I talked to him because I'm having trouble reimplementing database table view (from Kexi) in a future-proof way and to open up for mobile form factors20:57
jstaniekplfiorini: http://community.kde.org/Frameworks/Epics/Splitting_kdelibs20:58
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plfioriniluckily during the holidays i will manage to catch up with QtDD slides20:58
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plfiorinijstaniek, hope that desktop and mobile qml components will be standardized21:00
jstaniekyes21:00
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jstaniekuntil then I am afraid of being early adopter on desktop in a 1+ MSLOC project such as Calligra ;)21:03
Sfiet_Konstantinplfiorini: well, that's rather a dream considering how eg MeeGo / BB cascades components are designed21:04
Sfiet_Konstantinhope that desktop will be unified on all platforms, like Qt (widgets) before21:04
plfioriniSfiet_Konstantin, I would consider BB Cascades a special but it's tree for MeeGo and Symbian (which is probably irrelevant today)21:06
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jstaniekQWidgets on desktop will survive - spearating logic from view isn't always the top priority..21:06
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rcgevening21:13
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niqthi rcg21:15
Sfiet_Konstantinplfiorini: about meego, it is indeed21:15
Sfiet_Konstantinbut sailfish is coming, with their own set of components21:15
Sfiet_KonstantinI think that it will not really possible to unite QML components under mobile platform21:16
Sfiet_Konstantinbut under desktop it should be ok21:16
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Sfiet_Konstantinjstaniek: well, QWidgets are very good, but when you try QML, you cannot really go back ...21:16
Stskeepswell, there's a few differences but they semi-follow qt components..21:16
Stskeepsneed to do better, let's see how they go21:17
Stskeepsin practice you'd end up doing different uis on different targets anyway21:17
jstaniekSfiet_Konstantin: well, both ahve strong use cases, when your requirements do nto include anything QML gives, switching makes no sense21:17
jstanieki.e. non-animated UIs21:17
Sfiet_Konstantinjstaniek: I feel that the declarative code from QML makes coding UI a bit faster21:18
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jstanieksimilarly, you won't write Excel rendering with QML, but you do with C++21:18
jstaniek(and calligra does it)21:18
Sfiet_Konstantinespecially on Desktop, where GUI is very complicated21:18
Sfiet_Konstantinwell, if I have to design a spreadsheet program21:19
Sfiet_Konstantinassuming QML desktop components21:19
jstaniekSfiet_Konstantin: if separating UI an logic gives bo benefits, QML is way slower and maintenance is more costly21:19
Sfiet_KonstantinI will design the center sheet in C++ exposing in QML21:19
rcghey niqt :)21:19
Sfiet_Konstantinand build the toolbars etc in QML21:19
Sfiet_Konstantinsimple stuff in qml complicated in C++21:19
Sfiet_Konstantinjstaniek: true about maintenance however21:19
Sfiet_Konstantinit is very costly21:19
Sfiet_KonstantinQML sadly is code that you write and forget to read after21:20
rcgniqt, i hope you and your family have a nice christmas :)21:20
jstaniekSfiet_Konstantin: for desktop (statistically) layouts are simple, there are many views/windows; good UX design means the layout cannot be too hard, there's tool like Form Layout for example21:20
jstaniekSfiet_Konstantin: write-only code cannot happen regardless on language you use, that's why I detest the way how EFL and GTK+ code look21:21
Sfiet_Konstantinjstaniek: that's true21:21
niqtrcg, yes i  hope the same for you21:21
Sfiet_Konstantinbut I'm assuming the perfect situation, where you can write easy stuff (toolbars, menus) in QML21:22
Sfiet_Konstantinwhile writing complex components in C++21:22
Sfiet_KonstantinI hope that one day, Qt (5) will allow that21:22
rcgniqt, great. same here :)21:24
jstaniekSfiet_Konstantin: it's possible in Qt 4 and 521:29
jstaniekSfiet_Konstantin: you just cannot use declarative language in C++ because it's imperative, so you provide canvas-based components in C++ that you combine/extend in declarative QML21:30
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ArtoxGood Evening. SOme progress on my GTA0422:27
Artoxapparently X.org finished loading22:27
Artoxinstead of X starting, white screen, then back to console repetitive I now get black screen22:28
Artoxjournalctl says uxlaunch[99]: X.Org X Server 1.13.0 as latest22:28
ArtoxDec 25 22:29:19 localhost uxlaunch[373]: Unable to find session "/usr/share/xsessions/default.desktop.desktop"!22:30
Artoxthis line is troublesome22:30
Artoxqmlviewer does not start by default as I did expect22:31
Sfiet_KonstantinArtox: just a stupid question, did you have a file in /usr/share/xsessions/default.desktop.desktop ?22:34
ArtoxandI got the OpenGL-ES libraries working as proof of concept on debian squeeze, not on Mer yet(using same kernel version, but still, TI binaries seem to not run. I start them and they terminate apparently without issue but they dont produce output as tehy should)22:34
Artox /usr/share/xsessions is empty22:35
ArtoxI was using teh kickstart file xorg connectivity qmlviewer22:35
Sfiet_Konstantinwell, if you use uxlaunch, you need this file22:35
Artoxand I expected qmlviewer to start automagically22:35
Sfiet_KonstantinI'm doing the same22:35
Sfiet_KonstantinI have to check22:35
Artoxanyway it is progress that X starts flawlessly from uxlaunch now22:37
Artoxand I cna run qmlviewer manually by ssh22:37
Artoxjust to find out whats wrong with my graphcis drivers22:38
Sfiet_Konstantingood :)22:38
Artoxalso, even without graphics drivers, I wonder how to proceed getting a nice version of Mer on my phone. I guess I should fetch some UI22:38
Artoxcould it be about my ti bianries beeing softfloat builds?22:39
Sfiet_Konstantinmaybe22:40
ArtoxI believe they yare but I am not completely sure, I have them wokring on an softfloat armv4 version of debian22:40
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Artoxbeagleboard people do have hardfloat builds of the GL libraries22:43
Artoxare there any pointers in here to kickstart files that provide an UI that are useful to develop further?22:47
Artoxor perhaps pointers on how to proceed(possibyl making an OBS account on meego obs to make a kenrel package22:48
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Venemohey guys23:12
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rcghey Venemo23:13
Artox\o23:13
rcgenjoying the christmas holidays? :)23:14
Venemoyeah, you could say that23:14
ArtoxCouldn't load library libGL.so: libGL.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directoryUnable to initialise egl; so the beagleboard hardfloat TI binaries are different :|23:14
rcggreat23:15
rcgso far i also had a nice time with family and especially my fiancee :)23:15
rcgArtox, ti + opengl seems to be a great pain, unfortunately :/23:16
rcgyou need to find the right combo of arch, xorg abi, and kernel version23:17
rcgand then keep your fingers crossed that this actually works as you want23:17
Artoxwell, I do have a kernel version and TI bianries that work(but softfloat)23:19
Artoxand I do have same kernel version and Mer(hardfloat) and some TI binaries for beagleboard(also hardfloat)23:20
Artoxjust need to get thsoe working now23:20
rcgwhich ti binaries are you using?23:20
Artoxhttp://rcn-ee.net/sgx/armhf/sgx-hardfp.tar.gz23:20
Artoxhttp://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#SGX_armel.2Farmhf_v3.4.x.2B23:20
Artoxthey are fitting my chip23:21
Artoxpossibly I need to execute pvrsrvinit early enough at booting23:21
Artoxsometimes the bianries jsut dont run23:22
ArtoxI execute them and nothinh happens23:22
Artoxand then tehy bark about libGL.so missing23:22
Artoxor claim PVR INIT failed23:22
Artoxbut I guess I broke my mer23:22
ArtoxFailed to get D-Bus connection: No connection to service manager. whne i try to stop uxlaunch23:23
Artoxthere is still teh chance my kernel config file is invalid23:24
rcgwell, i'm afraid i cannot be very much of a help with that one :/23:24
Artoxthat I missed sth23:24
rcgbeen just messing quite some time with ti on archos g923:25
rcgomap4, i.e.23:25
ArtoxI should try with original manufacturer kernel23:26
Artoxstill, what kickstart file would I use to do more than jsut getting Xorg working?23:28
Venemorcg: I'm just happy I could get away from coding and just relax :)23:30
Artoxrcg: do you hjappen to know where one could package his kernel for a device so it can be autoincluded in a kickstart file --> image?23:33
rcgVenemo, that's great :D23:35
Venemorcg: my next mission is to get myself back to finish the Nemo home screen23:36
rcgVenemo, after getting hw-accelerated video working with the stock player in plasma active on nexus 7, i am now tearing my hear out on the attempt to get 3g working on nexus 7 in pa23:36
Venemorcg: but once you've had enough of coding for work, it's hard to start coding for a hobby23:36
Venemorcg: you should've got the version without 3G, then you wouldn't have this trouble :P23:37
rcgVenemo, yeah..  also need to lots of coding for my phd stuff xD23:38
rcgVenemo, well i got both (unfortunately?) xD23:38
Venemorcg: both?23:38
Venemorcg: why would anyone need two tablets? :P23:38
rcgwell.. put it that way: i have access to both ;)23:38
Venemo:D23:38
VenemoI see.23:38
rcgArtox, i think getting the kernel to build on obs would be a start23:39
VenemoI thought about getting a tablet for myself, but instead of that I decided to replace my laptop with an ultrabook23:39
rcgArtox, that's at least how i got the nexus 7 kernel included into the image via a .ks file23:39
rcgVenemo, i think that's the better decision23:40
rcghave an ultrabook (or nearly that class) laptop myself and i love it23:40
rcglong battery run time + low weight is just great23:40
Venemorcg: yeah. it's a very nice and sturdy laptop, and very small too23:40
rcgsafes you so much trouble and makes working so much more convenient23:41
Venemorcg: although battery life could be better23:41
rcgVenemo, on linux?23:41
rcghad a look with powertop?23:41
Artox<rcg> Artox, i think getting the kernel to build on obs would be a start23:41
ArtoxCOBS?23:41
rcgArtox, yep, cobs23:41
Venemorcg: this one lasts for 4-5 hours on either windows or linux. mostly depending on whether I have radios on or off23:41
Artoxk23:42
Artoxwill do so tomorrow or so23:42
Artoxbb23:42
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Venemorcg: powertop's suggestions don't make that much of a difference. but at least it lasts equally as long with Linux as with Windows23:42
rcgVenemo, hmm, i see. maybe you can squeeze a bit when investigating with powertop?23:43
Venemorcg: yes, a bit23:43
rcgi.e. squeeze a bit of runtime out of it ;)23:43
Venemorcg: turning off the wifi and bluetooth can save ~1h. all the powertop suggestions together save ~0.5h23:43
rcgi see23:44
Venemorcg: with everything off and brightness on minimum, it lasts ~5-5.5h depending on usage23:44
rcgok, so i assume you are already optimized to the max ;)23:44
Venemoif I turn on bluetooth and wifi and get to a moderate amount of brightness then it's about 4h23:44
Venemorcg: I think there are a few kernel parameters which I haven't added to this installation23:45
rcgbut i would have assumed that an ultrabook would last longer to b honest23:45
rcg*be23:45
Venemorcg: like i915.semaphores and some other things23:45
Venemorcg: well most of them do last longer23:45
Venemorcg: but this a 11" model :)23:45
Venemorcg: you don't get more than 5h in the 11" form factor (not even from apple)23:46
rcgi added some i915 stuff to the kernel command line once.. but afaik that tweak should be included in all major distros nowadays23:46
rcgah, i see :)23:46
Venemothe 13" version of the same machine can last for ~6-7 hours without issue.23:47
Venemobut this 11" one was the only one which I could get for a decent second-hand price23:47
rcgalright, but 11" is even more portable than those 13" versions i assume23:48
Venemoyeah23:49
Venemowell, I needed something that I can carry with me everyday (I'm going back to school next year)23:50
rcgback to school?23:50
Venemoyes23:51
Venemoto uni, to be exact23:51
rcgso what do you do?23:51
rcgprof? or student?23:51
Venemomy BSc23:52
VenemoI want to finish it :)23:52
rcgah great :)23:53
rcgi wish you success with that :)23:53
Venemothanks23:55
VenemoI still need to figure out how I can work while studying23:55
Venemobut I've done it before, so no big deal23:55
rcgoh yeah, that may be a little trouble some.. but like some of my instructors in the army used to say: "you gotta push yourself"23:58
rcg*troublesome23:58

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