Friday, 2012-12-21

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situMorning all01:26
SpeedEvilmorning01:27
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koala_Hello stskeeps, are you still in?01:39
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iekku_morning05:27
situiekku_: Morning05:30
Bostiksappy saturnalia, everyone05:37
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situBostik: That was new to me :)05:57
* Sage ponders if this is just a dream that he types here.05:59
Sagedidn't world suppose to end bad on some calendar today?05:59
chriadamyeah, the end of the world is today according to the Mayans or something.  Or at least, their calendar flips over into a new epoch today, I think.06:01
SpeedEvilepoch fail.06:01
Bostiksitu: celebrating winter solstice in any form is perfectly okay, I just like to be honest about it :)06:02
Bostik(and if you're going to be !PC, you might as well be equally offensive to everyone)06:03
situSage: and no Google Doodle today :P06:08
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Stskeepsmorn all08:49
Stskeepslbt: is it normal that build.merproject.org shows it doesn't have any workers?08:50
Stskeeps:P08:50
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lpotterdid they go on strike ?08:52
kulveStskeeps: I see one..08:52
kulveand graphs has never worked I assume..08:52
lbtStskeeps: what did you do?08:53
Stskeepsnothing!08:53
Stskeeps:P08:53
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koala_hello stskeeps09:01
Stskeepsgood morning koala_09:01
koala_are you busy now?09:01
lbtfixed - swds09:01
Stskeepskoala_: not a lot09:02
Stskeepslbt: check scheduler for good measure09:02
koala_stskeeps: good morning09:02
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lbtdoing a quick look round09:02
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Chamallowhello10:08
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CosmoHillmorning10:09
Chamallowplease someone knows how to put mer/nemo in azerty on n900 ?10:09
Stskeepsprobably editing the setxkbmap thing that's there10:09
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Chamallowthx, i take a look on10:10
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rcghttp://ruedigergad.com/2012/12/21/plasma-active-for-nexus-7-running-the-touch-optimized-plasma-active-linux-distribution-on-nexus-7/10:19
rcgfeedback is much appreciated ;)10:22
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yuntawow, ha for nexus 7, awesome!10:32
Jopenice10:35
kulveshould work just fine with nemo too10:36
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kulveor better in some sense as I think nemo's window manager and applications are better tuned for opengl es10:39
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sledgesgood morningĀ”10:43
sledgesHA Pandaboard: with systemd Xorg fails: first on omap_dri then on (EE) AIGLX error: dlopen of /usr/lib/dri/swrast_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/dri/swrast_dri.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory)10:44
sledgesif init=/bin/sh, Xorg starts fine (prolly is using fbdev)10:44
kulvesledges: is that the last error? It may not be fatal10:45
Stskeepssledges: not an error10:45
sledgesbut X doesn't start, got two tuxes on screen10:46
sledgeshttp://pastie.org/556088210:46
sledgeswith init=/bin/sh Xorg starts on same HDMI fine10:46
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morphisStskeeps: can you tell what MOSLO is? (http://ruedigergad.com/2012/12/21/plasma-active-for-nexus-7-running-the-touch-optimized-plasma-active-linux-distribution-on-nexus-7/)11:33
Stskeepsmorphis: export emmc over usb practically11:33
morphisah11:33
morphisit's part of Mer?11:33
Stskeepsexternal project11:35
Stskeepsit comes from 'meego os loader' origianlly, which we wrote in meego times11:35
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morphisit's device independent, right?11:37
kulvemostly yes, but it needs kernel support which may not be easy with products on the market11:37
morphiskulve: means kexec?11:38
BostikStskeeps: did anyone in the team happen to notice (or know in advance) that it nicely shadows moslo.exe from Bad Old Days? :)11:38
aard_morphis: if 'runs on n9 and n950, and only breaks sometimes' counts as device independent, then yes. other bits only work on systems partitioned like n9, and it's such a big mess that you really don't want to base anything on it11:38
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morphisaard_: ok, I just read the guy ported plasma active to the nexus7 used it and ask me what it is11:39
kulven7 doesn't have other good ways of getting the rootfs in, thus moslo11:40
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morphiskulve: I like the idea of having a initramfs up which allows modifications to the device11:40
kulveyeah, it's really convenient sometimes11:40
aard_morphis: yes, though there are a lot better ways to do it than moslo11:40
morphisimho allows you to be more dynamic in OS installation process than just flashing it11:41
kulveaard_: like?11:41
morphisaard_: yeah we're doing in similar in the webOS ports project11:41
morphislike extract a .tar.gz package and then chrooting into it11:41
aard_kulve: don't do a hard to extend shellscript; use smaller binaries to make it fit into more limited flash (the core functionality is trivial to do in C, only when it comes to partitioning it gets a bit more messy); allow loading of additional modules into the initial rootfs (like, get additional tar.gz from partition or via network)11:43
aard_last step could make it even smaller, since you could just load the partitioning logic when needed11:43
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Sagekulve: morphis, aard_: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/view_file?file=init&package=ramdisk&project=home%3Asage%3Agn&rev=d20bb6410becd5fe145dae9098208619 ;)11:54
morphisSage: looks similar to what we use for the gnexus: https://github.com/webOS-ports/meta-smartphone/blob/webOS-ports/master/meta-samsung/recipes-bsp/chroot-script/chroot-script/tuna/init.sh11:55
aard_Sage: I still don't get why people don't do that kind of thing in C ;)11:56
sledgeswhy in the world after updating a rootfs partition on host PC, Pandaboard would wait for it forever and not boot: Waiting for root device /dev/mmcblk0p2... ?11:56
Sagemorphis: well that is also for nexus11:56
morphisyes11:56
morphisit's a little bit less hacky than ours11:57
morphisas ours tries to implement some installation process too11:57
morphisbut thats more or less a workaround until we have time to implement something real11:57
morphisSage: is there some abstraction layer in Mer for USB gadget configuration?12:03
morphisas I am currently trying to find a solution to add an abstraction layer on top of the android USB gadget implementation12:04
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Sagephdeswer: ^12:05
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situhttp://tcrn.ch/WzZ3zg12:55
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sledgesfellows, I think I just partially killed (kernel inaccessible, uboot accessible) Pandaboards SD card reader: (on #pandaboard) http://pastie.org/556141613:38
CosmoHillsledges: .o/13:38
sledgeswith mer :(13:38
sledgeshave another pandaboard remaining :}13:39
CosmoHillcan't you use JTAG ports to fix it?13:39
sledgesbut what could have possibly gone wrong? the reader is half-dead lol13:40
sledgeswouldn't know what to poke from within JTAG13:40
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sledgeshow can I start Xorg with systemd automatically (or where is it done in Mer) ?14:30
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sledgeswith non-root uid14:30
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Sagesledges: check xorg-launch-helper14:51
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SuperpelicanStskeeps:Tried latest Nemo Mobile today15:03
Stskeepsmm?15:03
SuperpelicanStskeeps:But it's very sensitive to scrolling15:03
SuperpelicanStskeeps:When I want to click on something (for example to launch an app etc.)it scrolls a little bit15:04
Stskeepsn900 or n950?15:04
Stskeepsor n915:04
SuperpelicanStskeeps:N90015:04
SuperpelicanStskeeps:Making it really hard to select something15:04
SuperpelicanStskeeps:It really spoils the experience15:05
SuperpelicanStskeeps:It looks so nice15:05
SuperpelicanStskeeps:UI good designed and Helium Reborn is really fast :D15:05
SuperpelicanStskeeps:Is this some kind of bug15:05
Stskeepsmmm, i dont have a n900 handy atm15:05
SuperpelicanStskeeps:Isn't there a fix or a config file I can tweak15:06
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SuperpelicanStskeeps:To adjust the sensibility15:06
SuperpelicanStskeeps:I saw a YT video from @nsuffys but he didn't seem to have that problem at all15:07
veskuhI think that is the issue with qt_drag_threshold being broken for a while in nemo15:07
SuperpelicanStskeeps:And old Nemo build with old UI seems to work even better15:07
SuperpelicanStskeeps:I think I'm going to try NEMO.2012-07-02.115:07
SuperpelicanStskeeps:Will all the apps and software also work on older builds?15:08
Stskeepsi think veskuh's right on the money and i'm not sure if it's fixed in nemo-n900 yet15:10
veskuhSuperpelican you might want to try modifyin QT_USE_DRAG_DISTANCE=1215:10
veskuhI'm not sure which config file has that on image15:10
Superpelicanveskuh:But where do I find it then?15:10
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veskuhCheck if you have /etc/sysconfig/nemo-mobile-hw15:13
Superpelicanveskuh:https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=nokia-n950-configs&project=CE%3AAdaptation%3AN950-N9&rev=815:13
Superpelicanveskuh:You just beat me ;)15:13
veskuh:)15:13
Superpelicanveskuh:Nemo Mobile on microSD saves changes and files, right?15:14
Superpelicanveskuh:It's not like a Linux Live USB?15:14
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Superpelicanveskuh:So I should set QT_USE_DRAG_DISTANCE to 12 or change it from 12 to something else?15:15
veskuhIt could be bigger.15:16
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* Superpelican 's N900 is booting Nemo Mobile again15:21
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SuperpelicanRed error screen shows up again :(15:21
SuperpelicanIt has booted15:21
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* Superpelican thanks Mer & Nemo team for including bash and nano in the Nemo Mobile image15:23
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Superpelicanveskuh:Is that config file you mentioned earlier supposed to be empty15:25
Superpelicanveskuh:Or did I just create a new file with Nano?15:25
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veskuhIf it is empty just upgrading config package should create it15:27
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veskuhso if you had n900 zypper ref && zypper install nokia-n900-configs15:28
veskuhor other option just manually create the file15:29
Superpelicanveskuh:reboot after editing config file?15:29
veskuhyep15:30
Superpelicanveskuh:nemo-mobile-hw file didn't exist btw15:31
Superpelicanveskuh:so created it with nano15:31
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Superpelicanveskuh:It worked! :D15:32
veskuhcool :)15:32
Superpelicanveskuh:Nemo works great right now15:32
Superpelicanveskuh:Should I file a bug report or something?15:32
Superpelicanveskuh:Then the fix can be added to future builds15:32
veskuhIts a known issue, and I think fix is in the next build15:33
SuperpelicanK15:33
Superpelicanveskuh:Is there already a kwown solution for settings no-scroll bug?15:35
veskuhI don't know.15:36
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* Superpelican thinks old Nemo UI actually shares design with Sailfish UI16:07
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Stskeepswell16:09
Stskeepsthe original meego open handset design was done by the same guy..16:09
Stskeeps:P16:09
Stskeepsi think16:09
leinirHiring out of the community is a Good Thing(TM) :)16:11
Stskeepsah, i meant our chief designer16:11
Stskeeps:P16:11
leinirAah, so not so much "hiring" there ;)16:11
SuperpelicanStskeeps:I just booted Maemo 5 again by running "run noloboot" and now I've to configure the date etc. again (just like when I got my N900)16:14
SuperpelicanStskeeps:Is my N900 reseted?16:14
dm8tbrdate reconfig is normal if you e.g. remove the battery16:16
SuperpelicanK, just discovered everything is still as I left it16:17
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* Superpelican 's OS keeps openening Nemo Mobile .raw images with Krita16:18
leinirlol derp ;)16:21
leinirGuess mime magic says that .raw is actually image data :)16:22
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kulvenolo-boot sounds always a bit funny. Nolo is (also) a finnish word meaning "embarrassing"16:25
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sledgeshow can I make mic produce a rootfs where zypper would inherit all repos from the .ks file? now during runtime zypper lr says no repos defined16:29
SuperpelicanI've Stskeeps's uboot installed, so I can't install kernel power now anymore, right?16:29
Stskeepscorrect16:29
Stskeepsalso, we should discuss nemo in #nemomobile :)16:30
vgradeWhat a nice birthday surprise, cubieboard arrived16:32
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Stskeepsvgrade: congratulations on your birthday :)16:35
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Stskeepseven llvm 3.2 came out, maybe it has arm support, finally16:35
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sledgeshmm, apparently I was baking from a kickstart which reads ...mer-core..releases.merproject.org/releases/@BUILD_ID@/builds... and it worked (does it substitute it with latest ?)16:36
kulveat least with "--release latest"16:37
sledgesno, did not specify that anywhere16:38
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sledges(how in the world did mer-core got installed then? :))16:38
kulveI'm not sure if the options in start of the .ks are parsed?16:38
sledgesgot warning from mic Info: Substitute macro variable @BUILD_ID@/@ARCH in ks: ..16:38
sledgesnope, nothing relase=latest -related in .ks either %)16:39
sledgesbut I ignored that warning above. Now re-flashing SD card, will see the differences16:40
sledges(can even meld beforehand)16:40
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vgradeStskeeps: thanks, glad to know the world did not end and I missed my jelly and ice cream16:42
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sledgesdon't say beans or sandwitch, happy holidays & birthday vgrade16:43
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vgradesledges: cheers16:45
sledgesnope, mer-core got picked up fine with @BUILD-ID@ instead of latest either16:47
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Stskeepsevening Venemo17:00
CosmoHillhi Venemo17:00
CosmoHilldammit Stskeeps you beat me17:00
Stskeepswhen debugging in gdb, try to use the "-" command17:01
Stskeepsit looks like a godsend17:01
Stskeeps:P17:01
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phdeswermorphis, sorry only saw your question now.17:07
phdeswerI just implemented an android gadget handler in usb_moded (it will need to be recompiled as an android usb_moded version though)17:08
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phdeswerhttps://meego.gitorious.org/meego-middleware/usb_moded17:10
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morphisphdeswer: thanks will have a look17:29
phdeswerYou could fork the package in obs and add --android to the ./configure and you should be fine.17:29
phdeswerIt will just seamlessly fit into nemo/mer17:30
phdeswerAnd the doc subdir has docs if you want to know more. Just have not gotten round to document a few bits.17:30
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morphisphdeswer: ok will give it a try but I am not the Mer guy, I am coming from webOS ports :)17:33
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phdeswermorphis, however you want to use it, it will set-up networking or whatever you want for you. (well need to figure out the mass-storage export setting yet for android)17:35
phdeswerAnd it is simple c ;)17:35
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Stskeepsevening Sfiet_Konstantin17:59
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Sfiet_Konstantinhello Stskeeps17:59
Sfiet_KonstantinLooking again at Qt5 vids18:00
Sfiet_Konstantinthey are awesome18:00
Stskeepshehe18:00
Stskeepsi'm trying to make llvmpipe work with wayland in 1.0.2 and mesa 9.0.1 .. such a headache18:00
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Sfiet_Konstantinhum ...18:08
Sfiet_Konstantindon't seems to be simple18:08
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louisdkHi19:37
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CosmoHillhi19:39
shmerlHi19:39
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louisdkI've tried the latest Memo i586 vm in VirtualBox. Installs and runs fine but after "zypper update" I shutdown and when I then try to boot it it hangs at the MeeGo logo.19:40
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ArtoxGood Evening. sadly I forgot to take my notes text file with me when traveling so which are the kickstart files to start with for a new device? http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/latest/builddata/image-configs/ or rather http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.2.0/builddata/image-configs/ or are they the same?21:11
Stskeepsreleases.merproject.org/releases/ :)21:11
Stskeepsand don't bother with repo.meego.com21:11
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Artoxthx Stskeeps21:18
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CosmoHillnight night23:45
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