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| kulve | commenting here again: | 08:34 |
| kulve | cobs has 7 visible workers in the status monitor page, b.m.o only 3 | 08:35 |
| kulve | just wondering how well b.m.o can run if people start moving projects from ex-cobs to b.m.o | 08:35 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 08:35 |
| Stskeeps | we can scale, also, these are tmpfs workers | 08:35 |
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| Stskeeps | plus we don't do harmattan builds | 08:36 |
| kulve | and maybe the worker hw is newer.. | 08:36 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 08:36 |
| kulve | I could start using those, if there's consensus on the HA project naming.. | 08:36 |
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| kulve | hw:stable/devel:<hw name>? | 09:11 |
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| rcg-work | morning | 09:37 |
| rcg-work | is there any reliable information on the future of meego cobs? | 09:38 |
| rcg-work | i mean, should we make even more backups than we already have? | 09:38 |
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| Stskeeps | yes, always make backups | 09:40 |
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| sampos | b.m.o ? /me hasn't been following too closely lately.. | 09:42 |
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| Stskeeps | build.merproject.org | 09:42 |
| sampos | thanx. tried w/o the project :) | 09:43 |
| rcg-work | ah, sweet, wasn't aware of this | 09:44 |
| rcg-work | does it make sense to start migrating over to this? | 09:44 |
| kulve | not before somebody makes a decision about the nemo prefix ;) | 09:45 |
| rcg-work | or should we wait for an official announcement? | 09:45 |
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| Stskeeps | kulve: btw, did you ever get video rendering going on the r-pi? | 10:05 |
| kulve | no, didn't try even.. | 10:07 |
| kulve | not with gst that is. With omx directly it should work | 10:08 |
| Nicd- | 7w 15 | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 10:08 |
| Nicd- | fail | 10:08 |
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| kulve | Stskeeps: any comments on the HA naming? Or who could kind of make the decision on that? | 10:19 |
| Stskeeps | Sage would probably be the one, i don't see any big problems in just having a hw:* tree | 10:19 |
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| Stskeeps | jolla guys had xmas party yesterday so he might not be around :P | 10:20 |
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| kulve | Stskeeps: by "hw:*" do you mean "hw:stable:*" or "stable:hw:*"? | 10:21 |
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| Stskeeps | so, just so you understand the logic behind those: the idea is that the OBS also supports a nice continous integration system | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | so packages move from devel: -> testing: -> stable | 10:23 |
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| Stskeeps | so i guess it could either be hw:foo:devel/testing/stable | 10:25 |
| kulve | makes sense to me. Just wondering why then the current projects in b.m.o are devel/testing/stable:hw:foo order (which has changed from b.p.m.c :) | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | i wouldn't be able to tell you :) | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | (as in, i don't actually know the reasoning) | 10:27 |
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| kulve | Stskeeps: is it possible to give permissions to create subprojects? I.e. I would like to get hw:foo and be able to create hw:foo:devel/stable and hw:foo:bar:devel/stable | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | yes, i'd think so | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | just like in raspberry pi adaptation you guys have rights to do subprojects too | 10:28 |
| kulve | ah, so it seems. Great | 10:29 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: kulve: hw:* tree? | 10:37 |
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| lbt | Sage: for collaborative/shared areas it kinda feels like things should not live under nemo:* | 10:39 |
| lbt | and I think some hw/HA stuff falls under that - as does some of the middleware. | 10:40 |
| lbt | I tend to agree but I'm also worried about making undue work | 10:40 |
| Sage | lbt: well, I can agee with that. However the things is that mainly I fear that if we just give hw:* and mw:* names things might get a bit out of control and nomans land. | 10:41 |
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| lbt | yes, indeed - they need a maintainer team | 10:42 |
| Sage | meaning then there it isn't implicitly clear who is the responsible of the things in the end but seems more like random repo. | 10:42 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: for hw adaptations that build against mer, seperate hw:* makes sense? | 10:42 |
| Stskeeps | for mw:* we don't | 10:42 |
| Sage | well, nemo:hw:* are building against nemo:mw | 10:42 |
| * lbt notes that both PA and Sailfish share the nemo MW area | 10:42 | |
| Sage | this is because there are middleware components that need hw adaptation that aren't in mer. | 10:43 |
| lbt | (...some of the...) | 10:43 |
| lbt | Sage: yep | 10:43 |
| kulve | but the hw adaptations shouldn't need packages from the "upper layers"? | 10:43 |
| CosmoHill | hi lbt, i think my new site will be in jekyll | 10:43 |
| lbt | kulve: layering is never precise | 10:43 |
| Stskeeps | kulve: sometimes it does though.. like, middleware providing adaptation interfaces | 10:44 |
| Sage | kulve: apps and UX is easy to separate, but mw is a bit of grey area | 10:44 |
| kulve | well, give me Tegra3 with any prefix and I'll be happy with it :) | 10:44 |
| Stskeeps | can it be tegra3? | 10:45 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:45 |
| Stskeeps | we try to kill uppercase | 10:45 |
| Sage | no uppercase latters please :) | 10:45 |
| Sage | err.. letters | 10:45 |
| kulve | I like lower case letters too, so that's fine | 10:45 |
| rcg-work | btw. for nemo-compatibility on pa i use a little bit patched version of qt-components that is specific to pa.. i guess that falls in that gray area as well :) | 10:45 |
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| Sage | lbt, Stskeeps: There are some things in nemo:ux that needs to move to :mw, also some things in :mw that needs to move to adaptatoins after we go to new structure where adaptations build against the mw | 10:46 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: mm | 10:46 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 10:46 |
| Sage | personally I don't like to call anything just hw:* or mw:* in obs. | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: either way: can kulve get a tegra3 hw adaptation area under nemo? | 10:47 |
| Sage | in project wise that is, then people don't know where it belongs and where to file bugs etc. | 10:47 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: sure | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | ok, please make it so then | 10:47 |
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| Sage | kulve: do you have adaptation already somewhere so I could have a look of the packages? Just pondering if those are device or chip specifi | 10:48 |
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| kulve | Sage: I was planning to create tegra3-common under tegra3 that would include the tegra3 stuff and then separate product based projects | 10:49 |
| kulve | but I would like to here what's the good approach here | 10:49 |
| kulve | s,here,hear, | 10:49 |
| kulve | I do have the packages in my hidden project but I'm going to rename then anyway | 10:50 |
| Sage | kulve: I would say that we can first do tegra3-common project and later when there is more than one device adaptation see what should be split to device specific repo | 10:50 |
| Sage | Here I'm assuming that you talk about nexus 7 :) | 10:50 |
| kulve | that's the one yes. I haven't really decided if I should add the reference board as well.. | 10:51 |
| rcg-work | generally, how would plasma active integrate into this structure? | 10:51 |
| * lbt wonders about a shared: base project | 10:51 | |
| rcg-work | lbt, same :) | 10:51 |
| Sage | Personally I would like to see an owner in the project clearly | 10:52 |
| kulve | rcg-work: I think there's nothing to integrate. Both are build against mer core/nemo and they don't need to be aware of each other? | 10:52 |
| lbt | Sage: yes, but this isn't a technical issue, it's a social/welcoming issue | 10:52 |
| lbt | I simply don't want people to think that nemo:hw belongs to nemo if it's really supposed to be shared:hw: | 10:53 |
| rcg-work | kulve, yeah, i meant this in an even more general way.. like how does pa integrate into b.m.o | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | we should just document it somewhere | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:53 |
| lbt | and yet I completely agree that if there is no ownership then it's a PITA | 10:53 |
| rcg-work | personally, i would favor also general hw:foo packages | 10:53 |
| rcg-work | from which then the platform specific (if any) projects are derived | 10:53 |
| rcg-work | if no platform specific changes are necessary then one could just use hw:foo | 10:54 |
| rcg-work | if platform specific changes are necessary the stuff from hw:foo could be forked into pa:hw:foo, nemo:hw:foo, etc. | 10:54 |
| * Sage recalls the talks long time ago that nemo/meego ce etc. could contain more than on UI | 10:55 | |
| lbt | *cough* 'surrounds' | 10:55 |
| Sage | all nice names, but still ownership is missing. | 10:56 |
| lbt | I'm not sure that's the case | 10:56 |
| kulve | merproject.org would own the hw: -level and for hw:foo there would be more detailed owners | 10:57 |
| rcg-work | otoh, another option could be to have all stuff in nemo:foo and pa could fork off from there... but i am not sure if that's cleaner | 10:57 |
| Sage | rcg-work: there should be need for forking | 10:57 |
| kulve | Sage: +no? | 10:57 |
| rcg-work | Sage, i assume you mean "shouldn't"? | 10:57 |
| Sage | err... shouldn't yes :) | 10:58 |
| rcg-work | :) | 10:58 |
| * Sage is a bit tired from the christmas party last night :) | 10:58 | |
| rcg-work | Sage, right.. but some things may take a little longer to be pushed further upstream | 10:58 |
| rcg-work | Sage, np :D | 10:58 |
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| rcg-work | it's a good sign that you had a fun christmas party :) | 10:59 |
| rcg-work | and in rare cases some things may actually need platform specific modifications | 10:59 |
| rcg-work | i mean very much really works very nicely out of the box across, e.g., pa and nemo | 11:00 |
| Sage | another thing is that if we do separate mw:* and separete hw:* will those then be published as separate projects as well. each of them would have their own releases etc.? | 11:00 |
| rcg-work | but, e.g., the nemo-compatibility stuff i did for pa requires some tiny tweaks to qt-components | 11:00 |
| kulve | rcg-work: hopefully those platform specific mods can be done in the HA properly | 11:00 |
| Sage | rcg-work: where do you have those tweaks? Maybe someone in the nemo community could help to merge those to qt-components so that it would work for both | 11:01 |
| rcg-work | sec | 11:01 |
| Sage | there shouldn't be anything hw specific in qt-components | 11:01 |
| kulve | Sage: there are. Like xvimagesink | 11:01 |
| Sage | kulve: well, I said _shouldn't_ be ;) | 11:01 |
| kulve | it's hardcoded there and for tegra I need to use nvxvimagesink.. That's why I have a small patch allowing to overwrite that from env variable | 11:02 |
| rcg-work | kulve, ideally yes | 11:02 |
| rcg-work | Sage, just a sec.. i can give you a link to the patch | 11:03 |
| Sage | kulve: ok, well that is exactly the things that would need upstreaming to qt-components in nemo, not forking in other places | 11:03 |
| Stskeeps | nvxvimagesink is qt mobility right? | 11:03 |
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| kulve | yeah | 11:03 |
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| rcg-work | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/view_file?file=nemo-qml-apps-for-plasma-active-hack.patch&package=qt-components-nemo-compatibility&project=home%3Awonko%3Anemo-compatibility&rev=23cb6310ddb6137dec3188c65db619f6 | 11:04 |
| rcg-work | Sage, ^ | 11:04 |
| rcg-work | that's a pretty crude hack to make nemo apps play nicely with pa's desktop | 11:05 |
| Sage | w00t: ^ | 11:05 |
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| rcg-work | kulve, am i right that the kernel command line for pa and nemo also differs? | 11:09 |
| rcg-work | ah, no, it's the xorg.conf.d stuff? | 11:09 |
| rcg-work | i'm talking about the rotation thing | 11:10 |
| Sage | rcg-work: that isn't a problem it can be merged to nemo easy without bigger problems. Main thing is just that pa should talk about these needs to nemo people instead of suffering and making forks | 11:11 |
| kulve | rcg-work: I think we should probably use the same rotation for both, i.e. landscape | 11:11 |
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| kulve | Sage: maybe the n7 helps as we can hopefully run both nicely on the same device, with the same HA | 11:12 |
| rcg-work | Sage, right, that's why we are talking :) | 11:12 |
| rcg-work | kulve, running both would be really great :D | 11:13 |
| kulve | rcg-work: well, I've already run them both on n7 | 11:13 |
| rcg-work | Sage, it's just that for quick testing and development forking is so much easier.. but maybe we also need to improve our communication | 11:14 |
| rcg-work | kulve, :) | 11:14 |
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| rcg-work | Sage, but i think as long as we keep talking with each other we are fine? | 11:14 |
| lbt | Sage: rcg-work: you mentioned making 'releases' of hw:* .... well, changes there should be QA'ed against all sharing parties - so yes, there should be some kind of process to review, accept and publish a change | 11:15 |
| kulve | rcg-work: surely you need to fork while testing but after you have found a hack/fix/workaround, that should be communicated onwards | 11:15 |
| rcg-work | btw. that nemo-compatibility stuff is still a side project of mine and never made it into something official yet | 11:15 |
| lbt | OTOH, PA and Nemo should probably copy/publish a fixed copy of hw:* when they do a release | 11:15 |
| rcg-work | kulve, agreed | 11:16 |
| rcg-work | lbt, yeah, i think a fixed "snapshot" of an hw adaptation would make sense | 11:16 |
| lbt | rcg-work: I have a script I use to make 'releases' of Mer:Tools (ie the SDK) | 11:17 |
| kulve | I asked about making "releases" earlier but I guess obs doesn't support that in a convenient way | 11:17 |
| lbt | it's based on the one used to make Mer:Core releases | 11:17 |
| Sage | rcg-work: communication would be the key here we would have been happy to accept submission to nemo if there would have been those. | 11:17 |
| rcg-work | btw. while talking about communicating things: Sage do you recall the usb-modeswitch stuff? | 11:17 |
| Sage | rcg-work: yes I recall and we didn't conclude the stuff then yet sry about that. | 11:18 |
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| Sage | rcg-work: you should have pinged me every day passed by or so ;) | 11:18 |
| rcg-work | Sage, np, just recalled that this was still somewhat open... | 11:18 |
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| rcg-work | Sage, ;) | 11:19 |
| rcg-work | oh, and i now saw your remark about the .dsc file for qmlcanvas | 11:19 |
| Sage | you didn't get e-mail about that? | 11:20 |
| rcg-work | dunno.. there was so much stuff going on lately | 11:20 |
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| rcg-work | that may very well have slipped my attention | 11:20 |
| rcg-work | my problem is that i really like to communicate more and participate in discussion like this.. it's just that i am really loaded with work nowadays :/ | 11:21 |
| Sage | rcg-work: I know the feeling | 11:21 |
| rcg-work | and (most probably connected to this) i tend to forget so many things these days | 11:22 |
| rcg-work | btw. colleagues want to go for lunch... bbl | 11:22 |
| rcg-work | but it's good we keep on talking :) | 11:22 |
| Sage | lbt: recall the nemo projects in mer-community obs? there is qa steps to be added there. | 11:23 |
| rcg-work | so we make progress after all ;) | 11:23 |
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| rcg-work | bbl | 11:23 |
| * Sage zones off for a moment to read some mails | 11:23 | |
| * Sage stares at mail with over 40 pages of text... | 11:24 | |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: so, i'm online now, enlighten me on the sb2 stuff? | 12:16 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: https://github.com/lbt/sdk-setup/commits/master ,specifically https://github.com/lbt/sdk-setup/commit/d76966e32a8715a8a37d8a345d92f1351a8586c3 | 12:17 |
| Stskeeps | okay, any good reasons why you'd do that? | 12:18 |
| lbt | bug 654 bug 655 bug 646 | 12:19 |
| Merbot | Mer bug 654 in zypper "zypper: double free or corruption Aborted" [Major,New] https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=654 | 12:19 |
| Merbot | Mer bug 655 in SDK "zypper refresh through sb2 fails with segfault for Nemo target" [Normal,Assigned] https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=655 | 12:19 |
| Merbot | Mer bug 646 in SDK "mb inside VirtualBox sdk cannot use zypper" [Normal,Assigned] https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=646 | 12:19 |
| lbt | I personally got issues with invalid db format | 12:19 |
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| Stskeeps | yes, just like mic images have a rebuild db, a sb2 target needs that too? | 12:20 |
| lbt | it gets it | 12:20 |
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| Stskeeps | and the rm -rf /var/lib/rpm/__* thing too? | 12:21 |
| Stskeeps | (syntax not exact) | 12:21 |
| alterego | Is it because of the /var/run symlink? | 12:21 |
| lbt | alterego: no, that's fixed too though | 12:22 |
| alterego | cool | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | just be aware that removing rpm/zypper and especially debugedit means that stuff like qt will be ass slow in rpm building | 12:22 |
| lbt | alterego: https://github.com/lbt/sdk-setup/commit/e69f7409715f8c945d0f2fc2cf27c58fcd650845 | 12:22 |
| alterego | :) | 12:22 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: yeah - and for OBS builds rpm accel really matters. SDK, not so much | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | well, the helpers do for sure | 12:23 |
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| lbt | Ok - do they use the db? | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | that's what i'm a little unsure of | 12:24 |
| lbt | also we have mixed rules | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | also, are you making bloody sure to seperate sdk-install and sdk-build in scripts? | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | -install is intentionally more lax | 12:24 |
| lbt | so don't forget that we have people doing their own tools - mb calls sb2 and gets it right | 12:25 |
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| Stskeeps | yes, i know | 12:25 |
| lbt | QtC also calls it directly - less sure if that is 'right' | 12:25 |
| lbt | so this approach is less optimised but more reliable | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | so, zypper installs and rpm installs should only be done in sdk-install or all hell will break loose | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | and with -R mode | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | at least | 12:26 |
| lbt | and rpmbuild? | 12:26 |
| lbt | during a 'make' ? | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | rpmbuild is fine to run in sdk-build | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | without -R | 12:26 |
| lbt | and make install? | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | make install you need sdk-install | 12:27 |
| lbt | where it installs the rom | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | well | 12:27 |
| lbt | yeah | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | make install if it does it into / | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | if it does into destdir, no issue | 12:27 |
| lbt | so I *know* this is not ideal :) | 12:27 |
| lbt | OTOH those bugs suddenly jumped up | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | i'm just gathering info on why we had to, or root causing what caused them | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | so not putting any blame, disabling makes sense temporarily | 12:28 |
| lbt | yes, me too now I've hopefully got a workaround sorted for SDK | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | so, var/run is fixed? | 12:28 |
| lbt | yes, it used session_dir in sb2 | 12:28 |
| lbt | which, for sdk, is wrong | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 12:29 |
| lbt | since that's a per-instance and we want sdk to act like a shared VM | 12:29 |
| lbt | I would like our zypper/rpm stuff to be architecture independent | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | mmmmm. you might want to look into creating/joining sessions but for while bein.. | 12:29 |
| lbt | yes, I was | 12:30 |
| lbt | but even then I wonder about rpm - we can have different db versions in SDK to target | 12:30 |
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| Stskeeps | that's why you'd stick with one, the x86 side | 12:30 |
| lbt | look at how maemo changed rpm retreival/validation | 12:30 |
| lbt | package signing may be target specific | 12:31 |
| lbt | (yeah, deb) | 12:31 |
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| lbt | so it's possible that the host/target may treat rpm slightly differently | 12:31 |
| Stskeeps | the assumption is that host and target have similar-ish tools | 12:31 |
| lbt | *nod* | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | else we have to utilize tools dir matching target configuration | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | which is another layer | 12:32 |
| lbt | yes, that's something I was looking at | 12:32 |
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| lbt | currently I'm installing zypper into the minimal dev target | 12:32 |
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| lbt | I'd rather have it in a tools target - but that really is getting complex | 12:33 |
| Stskeeps | well, we should provide sdk's that match our targets ;) | 12:33 |
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| Stskeeps | either way, assuming that the DB is sane, it's x86 made, it really shouldn't break | 12:33 |
| Stskeeps | and we should solve those problems, too | 12:33 |
| lbt | well, yes - but don't forget I should be able to aim at multiple concurrent targets | 12:33 |
| Stskeeps | i know | 12:33 |
| lbt | I agree on the DB - especially for targets | 12:34 |
| CosmoHill | lbt: http://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/org-jekyll.html | 12:34 |
| CosmoHill | may come in handy later for the website | 12:35 |
| lbt | ty CosmoHill | 12:35 |
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| CosmoHill | just spent an hour trying to figure out the archives then found that | 12:35 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: bug 654 is really odd | 12:38 |
| Merbot | Mer bug 654 in zypper "zypper: double free or corruption Aborted" [Major,New] https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=654 | 12:38 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: is that in sdk or on device? | 12:39 |
| lbt | says on n900 | 12:39 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 12:39 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: anything you saw? | 12:40 |
| lbt | I was going to try a minimal mer build based on last release and try a zypper dup | 12:40 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: hmmp... I've seen that in sdk | 12:41 |
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| Sage | but that got fixed when I updated to newer zypper/libzypp that was just released | 12:42 |
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| Stskeeps | ok, newer versions than those in there? | 12:42 |
| Sage | no those are the newer ones. But he doesn't mention if he updated libsolv | 12:43 |
| lbt | just added a note asking if it's on-device | 12:43 |
| Sage | also, was he running just zypper or did he add extra parems to the run command in gdb? | 12:45 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: what days are you gone over xmas, btw? | 12:52 |
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| kulve | Sage: did you come to any conclusion related to adding a new HA repo? | 12:55 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: none specifically | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 12:57 |
| lbt | looking for micro-sd card without i/o errors :/ | 12:58 |
| lbt | I think n950 ... | 12:58 |
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| Sage | kulve: lets do the tegra3-common for now. Moment. | 13:00 |
| Sage | kulve: armv7hl arch, right? | 13:00 |
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| kulve | Sage: yea, hl. Although it could be just "tegra3" and used as a common..? | 13:01 |
| kulve | then it would look better with the subprojects? | 13:02 |
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| Sage | kulve: we haven't done suprojects like that yet | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | how do we do n9xx-common atm? | 13:04 |
| Sage | well we have :n9xx-common and :N900 at the same level | 13:05 |
| Sage | :N900 isn't suproject of n9xx-common | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | but it builds against n9xx-common? | 13:05 |
| Sage | yes | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | that's probably the model to go for then | 13:05 |
| kulve | in my case they wouldn't be build against the common (unless there's a real reason in the future) | 13:05 |
| Sage | kulve: sure | 13:06 |
| kulve | I'm just thinking the ownership wise having tegra3 and its subproject would be more clean, but I'm good either way. Without subprojects I would need you to always add any new project needed | 13:07 |
| Sage | well, the subprojects should go always through certain process especially after we move later as there is multiple projects created for QA etc. | 13:08 |
| Sage | i.e., now i'm talking still about projects in cobs | 13:09 |
| Stskeeps | this is on build.merproject.org fwiw we're talking about a hw adaptation at | 13:10 |
| kulve | I'm talking about projects in build.merproject.org | 13:10 |
| Sage | oh... :D | 13:10 |
| Sage | well nobody defined that yet :) | 13:10 |
| Stskeeps | was now ;) | 13:11 |
| kulve | Sage: we did define it but you were still sleeping ;) | 13:11 |
| Sage | hehe | 13:12 |
| kulve | that's why we are trying to come up with a proper naming for the future projects too as there arent' that many yet. And the nemo: -prefix looks a bit odd | 13:13 |
| Sage | nemo:{devel,testing,stable}:hw:nvidia:tegra3:common was current naming schema | 13:14 |
| Sage | or could be one of them | 13:14 |
| Sage | if we want to use subprojects there. or maybe :hw:nv:tegra3:common | 13:15 |
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| Sage | probably not the optimal, but would be nice if we could do it like this for now at least. Just so that we get this transfer ready at some point :) | 13:19 |
| kulve | I'm just wondering about having nemo in front of the "community based project" that supports also everything else than nemo. But I'm good with that too | 13:20 |
| Sage | nemo is community based project ;) | 13:20 |
| kulve | in a way yes | 13:20 |
| kulve | but also backed up by a company | 13:20 |
| Stskeeps | nemo originated before jolla ever did, :P | 13:21 |
| Stskeeps | just for good measure :) that jolla helps push it a bit is similar to how nokia pushed before, people and code | 13:21 |
| w00t | (and anyone is welcome, if you do good work, I'll happily give you push rights to git repos, the same as anyone else, etc) | 13:21 |
| kulve | if everything has nemo in front of it, the change the domain name and skip the nemo:.. | 13:22 |
| kulve | but as said, I'm good to go with nemo, if you think that's a good approach | 13:22 |
| kulve | I don't need to agree with everything to live with it :) | 13:23 |
| Stskeeps | think it makes sense atm, then you get a lot of assistance, part of release processes, etc | 13:24 |
| kulve | yeah, I would my repos be part of a release process | 13:24 |
| kulve | +like | 13:25 |
| Sage | well if we put them to the structure with others those will get there | 13:25 |
| kulve | let's put it there then | 13:25 |
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| Sage | kulve: so nemo:devel:hw:nv:tegra3:common is your target project now | 13:28 |
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| Sage | promotions from devel -> testing -> stable are not setup yet but you don't need those for the start | 13:28 |
| kulve | could you add also nexus7 already? Add wonko there as well. | 13:30 |
| Sage | adding | 13:32 |
| kulve | excellent, thanks! :) | 13:32 |
| kulve | rcg-work: ^ | 13:32 |
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| Sage | kulve: takes a while to add the users but soon | 13:35 |
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| kulve | Sage: np, thanks. I will have time to work on that only after some hours, so no rush | 13:36 |
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| kulve | btw, would it make sense to add e.g. evtest (for touchscreen debugging) and glmark2 (for 3d verification) to some repos? If yes, which repo? | 13:38 |
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| Stskeeps | Mer:Tools:Testing probably, which should have a lighter-ish process | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | bbl | 13:39 |
| Bostik | evtest would be *very* welcome | 13:40 |
| lbt | Bostik: yes, is it packaged? | 13:40 |
| Bostik | not sure, I've just seen it again and again every time when dealing with new HW | 13:41 |
| kulve | I've branched in from vgrade's (iirc) | 13:41 |
| lbt | I would *like* you to find the upstream git repo | 13:41 |
| lbt | and use that as the base for packaging | 13:41 |
| kulve | I'm not sure if there's an upstream for evtest | 13:41 |
| kulve | just a .c file floating in the 'net | 13:42 |
| kulve | http://cgit.freedesktop.org/evtest/ | 13:42 |
| kulve | well, maybe it do have an upstream nowadays.. | 13:42 |
| lbt | well, clone it to github and ideally add a git-pkg branch with the rpm packaging | 13:43 |
| kulve | OBS knows how to fetch from git(hub)? | 13:43 |
| lbt | it's a special kind of branch though | 13:44 |
| lbt | yes it does | 13:44 |
| kulve | nice | 13:44 |
| kulve | when does it clone it? How does it know when something has changed? | 13:44 |
| lbt | you tell it | 13:44 |
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| lbt | we have BOSS to automate processes too | 13:45 |
| kulve | ok. I'll try to do this at some point to learn how the process works | 13:45 |
| lbt | https://github.com/lbt/git-pkg | 13:45 |
| lbt | apparently my docs are too complete and complex :/ | 13:45 |
| lbt | so I need a TL;DR; version | 13:45 |
| kulve | I can comment on that once I've read them :) | 13:46 |
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| bfederau_ | Hey. I installed a Mer OBS locally in VM with these instructions (https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/OBS_Setup). It seems to work, i don't get any error messages in the log files, but the spinner of the "Build Results" box in my projects always running and do not stop. So no build results can be retrieved. What could be wrong there? Any help is appreciated. | 13:53 |
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| lbt | bfederau_: did you check with the github project? | 14:31 |
| bfederau_ | lbt: yes i did | 14:31 |
| lbt | I'm afraid I'm busy with some zypper things atm - we don't have a diagnostics set either | 14:33 |
| lbt | check the api/web logs for a timeout | 14:34 |
| bfederau_ | lbt: ok | 14:36 |
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| lbt | report back what you're looking at and finding - may jog the memory | 14:36 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: Sage http://pastie.org/5547575 | 14:40 |
| CosmoHill | I'm a fool for thinking i small bit of code taken from the internet will work | 14:45 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: I think we need to fix libsolv dependencies and do a .2 release | 14:56 |
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| auri__ | aportale: can you test the branch merssh in mer-qt-creator? thnx | 15:12 |
| aportale | auri__: sure | 15:12 |
| lbt | Sage: Stskeeps: http://review.merproject.org/1046 .... can we get that into a new Mer release? | 15:13 |
| rcg-work | Sage, thx :) | 15:14 |
| rcg-work | kulve, as well :) | 15:14 |
| rcg-work | been in a meeting a while | 15:14 |
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| [ol] | Stskeeps: Is it OK if a package in Mer Core depende on a package outside of Mer Core? | 16:06 |
| Stskeeps | buildrequires no, requires is sometimes a mistake unless it's meant as providing a config | 16:07 |
| Stskeeps | any example? | 16:07 |
| [ol] | iso-codes requires xml-common. | 16:08 |
| [ol] | In Fedora, xml-common is built from sgml-common SRPM. | 16:09 |
| [ol] | I didn't find where to get in in Mer. | 16:09 |
| [ol] | "zypper in iso-codes" results in dependency error. | 16:10 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | hi ! | 16:14 |
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| Stskeeps | [ol]: moment | 16:30 |
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| Stskeeps | [ol]: that looks like a bug - there's even nothing utilizing iso-codes | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | at least in mer itself | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i don't understand line 54 of http://review.merproject.org/#patch,sidebyside,1046,1,libsolv.spec | 16:34 |
| Stskeeps | why remove that? | 16:34 |
| Stskeeps | rest is fine | 16:34 |
| Stskeeps | can be %{version} for sanity | 16:34 |
| Stskeeps | [ol]: you don't need to worry about iso-codes it seems like | 16:35 |
| Stskeeps | also, file a bug about this | 16:35 |
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| CosmoHill | lbt: made using jeykell http://black-flag.co.uk/cosmo10/cosmo10-dev4.png | 16:38 |
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| [ol] | Stskeeps: Unfortunately, basesystem package requires filesystem, which requires iso-codes to be built. | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | [ol]: hmmm. | 16:42 |
| [ol] | Not a big deal, but I can't fins sgml-common package in Mer. | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, it's intentional.. it takes >60 deps along i believe | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | okay, now i see it | 16:43 |
| Stskeeps | there's a thing in OBS that tells it to ignore iso-codes:xml-common dependency | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | if you want to bootstrap you can do the same | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | it's a bug for sure | 16:45 |
| [ol] | I can't: filesystem package's %install section uses files "/usr/share/xml/iso-codes/iso_639.xml" and "/usr/share/xml/iso-codes/iso_3166.xml" to do some processing. | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | when bootstrapping it'll take a bit for things to be zypper-able, just rpm --nodeps -i iso-codes.rpm | 16:48 |
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| [ol] | But this problem has to be solved anyway. I won't be able to rebuild non-bootstrap version without that. | 16:50 |
| [ol] | It's not the kind of dependency which will be solved later after bootstrap complete. | 16:51 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, true | 16:51 |
| Stskeeps | i'll take a look | 16:51 |
| [ol] | So, my question is: where can I get spec file for sgml-common? Should I take it from Fedora? | 16:51 |
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| Sage | lbt: that should be %{name} = ?{version} | 16:52 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: ? | 16:52 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: also, %{name} != main package in this one | 16:53 |
| Stskeeps | it looks like | 16:53 |
| Stskeeps | [ol]: looking | 16:53 |
| Sage | er... hmmp | 16:53 |
| Sage | right | 16:53 |
| Sage | grr... libsolv0 shouldn't exist :) | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | [ol]: http://armpkgs.fedoraproject.org/packages/sgml-common/0.6.3/38.fc19/src/sgml-common-0.6.3-38.fc19.src.rpm , that spec sees sane | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | seems like i was mistaken, was another package that had a lot of dependencies | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | we should add this to mer | 16:54 |
| Sage | ok good enough :) | 16:54 |
| [ol] | Stskeeps: So, this package should be added from Fedora, right? | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | we would probably edit it a little bit, move %changelog to .changes and remove buildroot, but besides that | 16:57 |
| [ol] | Do you have any instructions how to convert Fedora packages to Mer? | 16:58 |
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| Stskeeps | they're pretty much equal in terms of naming, think that'll compile just fine for mer | 16:58 |
| bfederau_ | lbt: I was searching the last hour, but i did not find any error which could be related to the build result issue. I looked in /srv/obs/log/* and /srv/www/obs/[webui|api]/log/* | 16:59 |
| [ol] | Also, I found that git history for packages start from initial import. But these packages were obviously imported from Fedora. Why not just use "git clone" from Fedora to preserve history instead of creating a new repo? | 17:02 |
| Stskeeps | the codeline goes along lines of fedora / suse -> moblin -> meego -> mer | 17:03 |
| Stskeeps | so that's where it comes from | 17:03 |
| Stskeeps | the reason why it's like this in git is from when it was initially imported into the mer git | 17:03 |
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| [ol] | But it was imported from another version control system, right? | 17:04 |
| Stskeeps | it was imported from OBS | 17:04 |
| Stskeeps | which isn't really a version control system, just a place to store packages | 17:04 |
| Stskeeps | i couldn't replicate the structure of the history there sanely | 17:04 |
| [ol] | That's not good. I was looking at gcc trying to evaluate how to upgrade it to 4.7.2, but it has so many patches, and it's impossible to figure out why they're needed without history. | 17:05 |
| Stskeeps | i agree, but considering that even meego/moblin was developed under wraps for a long while, it made it difficult to trace origins | 17:06 |
| [ol] | So, are we stuck with ancient gcc 4.6? | 17:07 |
| Stskeeps | not at all | 17:07 |
| Stskeeps | i moved from 4.5 to 4.6 | 17:07 |
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| [ol] | How did you manage to handle all these patches which break when switching to a new version? | 17:08 |
| Stskeeps | start with the tarball without patches, walk through the patches, see which make sense for mer going forward, which was upstreamed, etc | 17:09 |
| Stskeeps | the patches there doesn't seem difficult, you can ignore all the libgcj stuff | 17:09 |
| Stskeeps | some might be for past where some versions were too low | 17:10 |
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| [ol] | It's lots of work anyway... | 17:13 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, it has given me a lot of gray hair myself | 17:13 |
| Stskeeps | these deep layers many people don't want to touch in the first place | 17:13 |
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| [ol] | Looks like nobody was bootstraping Mer for quite a while. There's a bug in nss package's spec file which prevents its rebuild if another version of nss is not installed. :-) | 17:15 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, last i did it was with mips | 17:15 |
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| [ol] | BTW, how are packages in Mer being updated in response to discovered security bugs? Is some other major distro being watched for that? | 17:18 |
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| Stskeeps | there's somebody who watches our packages for CVE's and updates when we can | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | and we were at some point working on automated machinery but got a bit sidetracked | 17:20 |
| Stskeeps | it's a big thing for us | 17:20 |
| [ol] | Why not just piggyback on Fedora? Keeping most of the packages synchronised with Fedora would eliminate much effort. | 17:20 |
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| Stskeeps | so, the thing is that a desktop distribution is often slightly different from a mobile distribution. on a mobile distribution you want low footprint, on a desktop/server distro it's ok to depend on the kitchen sink | 17:21 |
| Stskeeps | i've tried this before, and keeping up like that, constantly patching, is very frustrating | 17:21 |
| [ol] | Yes, that's true. That's why I'm telling about most of the packages, not all of them. | 17:22 |
| [ol] | It can be automated. | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | sometimes, either way, i do follow fedora a little bit | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | i kinda want to move mer to a different approach where we split the core itself and the toolchain | 17:23 |
| Stskeeps | toolchain being cross-compiler, bash, binutils, autoconf, etc | 17:23 |
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| [ol] | Package groups can be used for that. | 17:24 |
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| Stskeeps | well, sort-of | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | i want to seperate those two dependency trees as such | 17:27 |
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| Stskeeps | so everything is bootstrapped | 17:28 |
| Stskeeps | instead of these circular dependencies in the core | 17:28 |
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| [ol] | Not everything so far, process is still in progress, but I already build and install most of the packages without "--nodeps". | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | that's such a lovely feeling when you get to that point :P | 17:30 |
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| [ol] | Yesterday I've spent several hours to debug a problem with a SIGSEGV in openssl %check section just to discover that the problem is with adler32_vec patch in zlib I mentioned several days ago. | 17:31 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 17:31 |
| [ol] | Today I spent several hours to debug SIGSEGV in nss %install section just to discover that shlibsign needs libsoftokn3.so to sign libsoftokn3.so (adding LD_LIBRARY_PATH pointing to $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/%{_libdir} solved that). | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | ah, i've tried that one too | 17:34 |
| Stskeeps | i lost some of my bootstrapping notes in a hd crash so :/ | 17:34 |
| [ol] | I'm going to post the last change on Gerrit. | 17:35 |
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| Bostik | SEGV in openssl... mere thought fo debugging that gives me the willies | 17:36 |
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| [ol] | Bostik: Fortunately, stack trace led directly to adler32 in zlib, so openssl was not involved much. | 17:44 |
| Bostik | _very_ fortunate indeed | 17:45 |
| Bostik | (in an earlier life I had to dig through openssl code - lots of hairy things in there) | 17:46 |
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| [ol] | Why we just don't use gnutls everywhere instead? | 17:51 |
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| Stskeeps | [ol]: libcurl, bsdtar, libarchive, openconnect, cryptsetup-luks, certificate handling, openvpn, python, openssh, xorg, wpa-supplicant | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | uses it | 17:58 |
| [ol] | Yes, I know. This was not a question for Mer, this was a wish for software developers to use it. | 18:00 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: removed line 54 since I added line 85 ... so libsolv0 is pulled in by libsolv-tools | 18:00 |
| kulve | what's the apiurl for b.m.o? | 18:00 |
| [ol] | Also, it would be helpful if gnutls provided openssl-compatible API to port existing programs. | 18:01 |
| Stskeeps | kulve: api. | 18:02 |
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| kulve | thx | 18:03 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: devel should pull in it's right libsolv0 version | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | so no need to remove it, imho | 18:06 |
| lbt | ok - just avoiding the redundancy | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | it's fine redundancy | 18:07 |
| lbt | want me to restore it and resubmit? | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | yes please | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | i have to debug a opensolaris setup not starting up, so that's my entertainment for the evening | 18:08 |
| lbt | hehe | 18:09 |
| lbt | are we OK for a .2 release if this goes in? | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | not really no, i've been preparing next | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | so we'll go for a full prerelease soon anyway | 18:09 |
| lbt | hmm | 18:10 |
| lbt | we should be able to handle that | 18:10 |
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| lbt | I know we can't right now - just saying :) | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | yes, iamer has spent some time on mds2 which makes it much saner | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | significant optimization, etc | 18:10 |
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| kulve | is xorg-x11-drv-mtev commonly used enough to move it to core from the "xxx-common" repos? | 18:14 |
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| Stskeeps | yes, i have actually done that | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | configs stay in hw adaptations but that's fine | 18:15 |
| shmerl | lbt: Hi. I tried to rebuild the rpm db, but getting the same error: error: db4 error(-30971) from dbenv->open: DB_VERSION_MISMATCH: Database environment version mismatch | 18:15 |
| kulve | search didn't find it | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | it'll be in next mer release | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | kulve: search never finds mer packages :P | 18:15 |
| lbt | shmerl: sec | 18:15 |
| kulve | how should I search for them then? Last time you adviced me to use the search :) | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | for mer packages? gitweb.merproject.org ;) | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | next mer release isn't prereleased yet, so not imported anywhere | 18:16 |
| kulve | but I'm not forking it to tegra common then.. When's the prerelease coming? | 18:16 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: so I'll send an email about the libsolv issue | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: anyway, fix the gerrit submit, i'll merge, and we can do a prerelease | 18:19 |
| lbt | doing it | 18:19 |
| lbt | finding change-id | 18:20 |
| * Stskeeps starts a zpool scrub on his file server to make sure it survived transport | 18:20 | |
| lbt | I should know the re-submit process by heart - don't think I've done a change w/o it :D | 18:20 |
| shmerl | Ah, the fun of ZFS :) | 18:21 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: redone libsolv | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | ok, thanks | 18:25 |
| * Stskeeps merges | 18:28 | |
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| situ | Stskeeps: Hey | 18:31 |
| situ | I guess moving is complete | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | ish, well | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | internet is uo | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | p | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | server scanning for bad sectors | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | et | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | c | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | i do not yet have a office table. | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | but i have a sofa in my office, it's very confusing | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:33 |
| shmerl | Stskeeps: Do you use illumos for ZFS or Linux versions? | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | shmerl: opensolaris, ancien | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | t | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:33 |
| shmerl | Ah, I used to play with opensolaris. A pity OpenIndiana didn't pick up. | 18:34 |
| lpotter | all I have in my office is tables, desks, chairs, computers, assorted gadgets and an A.C. | 18:35 |
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| vgrade | evening all, good to see all the HA chat today | 18:36 |
| shmerl | Hi vgrade. | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | lo vgrade | 18:37 |
| vgrade | shmerl: hey | 18:37 |
| vgrade | Stskeeps: \0 | 18:37 |
| vgrade | one comment was around the communications with downstream | 18:38 |
| vgrade | maybe a formal catch up with them would help | 18:39 |
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| vgrade | downstream meaning users of Mer | 18:41 |
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| vgrade | or maybe a HA group | 18:55 |
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| shmerl | About bug #654 - in case of SDK that should be this one? http://releases.merproject.org/releases/latest/builds/i486/packages/i486/libsolv0-0.1.0-1.1.i486.rpm | 19:11 |
| Merbot | Mer bug 654 in zypper "zypper: double free or corruption Aborted" [Major,Resolved: fixed] https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=654 | 19:11 |
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| lbt | shmerl: yes | 19:21 |
| lbt | and I need to go out now - can you try rpm --rebuilddb | 19:21 |
| shmerl | It'll require --force to be updated though. | 19:21 |
| shmerl | OK | 19:21 |
| lbt | ty - update bug with results | 19:22 |
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| Stskeeps | evening fk_lx :) | 19:37 |
| yunta | hi fk_lx | 19:37 |
| fk_lx | Stskeeps: hello | 19:37 |
| fk_lx | hi yunta | 19:38 |
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| fk_lx | greetings from Poznań ;-) | 19:41 |
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| yunta | oh, you're getting closer to me :) | 19:41 |
| yunta | 120km now | 19:42 |
| fk_lx | ;-) | 19:42 |
| fk_lx | it won't be closer | 19:42 |
| yunta | unless I come to poznan :) | 19:42 |
| Stskeeps | i'm starting to like this country - despite some bad cable plug endings, my cable connection got transferred to new apartment with no hassle whatsoever | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | everything just worked(TM) | 19:43 |
| shmerl | Poznan - a legendary place. | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:43 |
| fk_lx | staying at headquaters of Polish Free and Open Source Software Foundation (fwioo.pl) | 19:43 |
| Sage | hmmp... doing osc build armv7hl armv8el and after that osc build armv7tnhl armv8el does something funny | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | probably | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | --clean needed | 19:45 |
| Sage | yes, but I think this is the problem that happens at times with armv7hl armv7hl even | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 19:46 |
| Sage | but with changing architecture it seems to happen always | 19:46 |
| Sage | it has something to do with dir permissions in sb2 i think | 19:46 |
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| Sage | certain packages can't be updated | 19:46 |
| Sage | installing setup-2.8.56-1.15 | 19:48 |
| Sage | error: unpacking of archive failed on file /usr/share/doc/setup-2.8.56/COPYING;50d0c6e0: cpio: open failed - Permission denied | 19:48 |
| Sage | error: setup-2.8.56-1.15.noarch: install failed | 19:48 |
| Sage | exit ... | 19:48 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 19:48 |
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| shmerl | lbt: If you'll see this - that RPM fix didn't help in general (for the segfault bug in the Nemo target zypper) | 20:34 |
| shmerl | I still get: sb2 -m sdk-install -R rpm --rebuilddb | 20:35 |
| shmerl | error: db4 error(-30971) from dbenv->open: DB_VERSION_MISMATCH: Database environment version mismatch | 20:35 |
| shmerl | error: cannot open Packages index using db4 - (-30971) | 20:35 |
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| shmerl | But I managed to update only the base SDK rpm (i.e. i486) | 20:35 |
| shmerl | target one can't even rpm -Uh properly because of the same bug | 20:36 |
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