#mer log for Monday, 2012-12-17

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situMorning all05:56
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Bostikah well, finally managed to go through all of the qt5 build oddities06:09
Bostiklet's see what releasing@ has to say06:09
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situBostik: Nice06:14
situDoes that include QtWebkit too ?06:14
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Bostiksitu: not yet, it's missing the -rc2 tag from git06:16
Bostiksitu: this is about the freaky "missing .qmake.conf" errors, which appears even in some modules that have the -rc2 tag06:17
BostikI will get to qtwebkit eventually, don't worry :)06:17
situ:)06:18
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Bostikthat does it, the updater script for qt5 really needs a thorough rewrite07:01
dm8tbrmrng frm CPH07:02
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StskeepsBostik: want my tarball of local changes?:07:04
Stskeeps:P07:04
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BostikStskeeps: I think I'll write a new one from scratch, and as a personal remedy against headaches, go with python this time07:20
Stskeepsok07:20
Stskeepsplease take what i have as inspiration :)07:20
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Stskeepsa couple of new features in there that are very useful07:21
Stskeepshttp://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/modular-qt-specs-dec17.tar.gz07:21
Bostikthe repository handling logic is something which needs tender care07:21
Stskeepsas i also support tarballs, or 'dont make a changelog', etc07:21
Bostikyummy07:22
Stskeepsbut yeah, we need a rewrite07:22
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kontiophaeron: RFC: https://meego.gitorious.org/meego-infrastructure-tools/boss-standard-workflow/merge_requests/6 (version 3), changed to use a flag after your input08:05
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phaeronmorning08:40
phaeronkontio: thanks will look08:40
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lbtmorning al09:47
lbtl09:47
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veskuhlbt, morning, any progress with zypper issue?09:52
lbtsince I went to sleep you mean? ;)09:52
lbt(on thursday)09:53
lbtnah - we had some chat here last night about it - I have it very high on my TODO though - so I'll be on it during today09:53
veskuhlbt, yeah, I tried normal images also on VM and zypper didn't work on those either. so I guess it something more difficult than just missing package09:55
lbtI'm actually worrying about the recent libsolv updates09:55
veskuhlbt, also rpm doesnt work so only option for development is really to have all necessary -dev packages on the target image09:56
lbtwell yeah - but it's just a bug so that's just a workaround09:58
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sledgesmood morning!11:13
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sivangmold morning sledges :)11:18
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yuntalbt: github, pr, not urgent11:37
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CosmoHillmorning11:41
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situInteresting http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2248824/Airbag-dropped-smartphones-invented-Amazon-patents-airbag-air-jet-mobile-phones.html11:45
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sledgeslooks like April Fools :))11:52
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CosmoHillwhat happens is you throw your phone to someone?11:58
CosmoHillor you jump11:58
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iekkutime for mer bug triage12:01
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iekkuCosmoHill, ?12:07
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CosmoHillyou'll need it :)12:07
iekku:D12:07
iekkuthanks :)12:08
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iekkuCosmoHill, could you please pass more?12:10
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iekku\o/12:11
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bfederau_Hey. I want ot build my Qt5 beta 1 packages against Mer-Core 0.20120816.1 armv7l release and I get the following error: xml/qxmlstream_p.h:757:12: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault. Is this a known issue?12:47
bfederau_btw. building against 0.20121205.1 works fine...12:47
lbtbfederau_: I think we use a newer toolchain because of some issues in Qt512:50
Bostiknamely that bug, which I remember not-so-fondly12:50
sivanglbt: task #97 seems WIP or already done?12:51
yuntalbt: is target->toolchain a many to one relation, or are there situations where using different toolchains for a single target make sense?12:51
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lbtsivang: bug 97 is not part of our day-2-day process yet12:53
MerbotMer bug 97 in Other "Process to track upstream releases (cf debian)" [Task,New] https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9712:53
lbtyunta: many:1 .... a target has object code in it12:53
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* lbt quietly ignores multi-arch targets :)12:54
lbtwhich Mer doesn't support12:54
yuntaah, if it doesn't - I'm good12:54
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yuntaI was worried it may be useful with i*86 archs...12:55
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lbtlets assume not12:56
yuntaok12:56
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MirvBostik: tell me if you have functional qttools rc build, last time I had some weird error with that :)13:10
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BostikMirv: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?project=home%3Abostik%3AQt5a1  have fun, needed just one trivial patch13:13
BostikMirv: something which complained about missing "compress2" symbol, perhaps?13:14
Bostikthat's what my patch addresses13:14
bfederau_my dilemma is that I need Mer with Qt5 on a beagleboard xM and the combination of xorg-server version 13 and the xorg-x11-drv-omapfb doesn't work for me. When I start the xserver I get "omapdss DPI error: failed to enable display: no manager". With the 0.20120816.1 Mer release it works but Qt5 can be build against this release. Does someone made some experiences with the xorg omapfb driver and the current Mer release? Every hint is welcome. :)13:15
BostikMirv: the problem is that something in modular and/or cross-build with -system-zlib triggers a hiccup - libQt5Bootstrap.a uses zlib but the files that generate link-time references don't inlude -lz13:15
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MirvBostik: no, it was about some complaint about missing target library, which seemed a path problem coming from $somewhere but which wasn't visible elsewhere. that was RC1, though.13:27
MirvBostik: ok, interesting... I'm building with native ARM boards, though13:28
Bostikcrunch-crunch-crunch-..... webkit13:30
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MirvI can confirm the compress2 symbol problem on qttools rc2, although against qtbase rc2 + qtdeclarative rc114:04
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faenilo/ good afternoon14:05
Mirvinterestingly, the patch doesn't seem to be enough for me. anyway, drifting a bit off-topic since I'm not building for Mer to be precise14:06
Stskeepsmeh, it's qt5 :)14:07
Stskeepstizen maintainers could come here for all i cared14:07
Mirv#mer - the global Qt5 hub14:09
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BostikMirv: building qt5 is always an adventure - no matter what projection your map uses, the only constant thing is a big red dot with the text "YOU ARE LOST"14:24
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* jonwil is not looking forward to that fateful day when Gentoo decides to adopt QT5, building QT4 on Gentoo is annoying enough... :)14:27
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Mirvbostik: I've noticed.. for some reason, the -lz around here should be after -lQt5Bootstrap, but LIBS += inserts it before it and somehow on this toolchain that doesn't work14:27
Stskeepsld_as_needed?14:28
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Mirvseems to be the same with and without14:29
Mirvcorrection, --no-as-needed works, apparently --as-needed is default14:31
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Mirvyay14:34
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alteregoStskeeps: btw, when I was trying to get qt5 on rpi last night, could't find eglfs-rpi package.15:11
alteregoI was following this: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Community_Workspace/RaspberryPi15:11
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* lbt doesn't know how sb2 zypper ever really worked...15:29
CosmoHillhi15:29
lbto/15:30
sledgeshi CosmoHill15:30
kulvelbt: not sure what you mean "really", but those instructions has been tested every now and then and they have worked nicely15:32
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lbtkulve: the sdk-install rules have a hardcode that makes it run the host zypper binary15:33
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lbtwhich now (at least) starts reading /etc/ld.so.* from the target (ARM) fs15:35
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sledges"if you can't explain it to a XX y.o. child, you don't understand it well enough" :)15:36
sledges^ does not say whether that child should understand it as well after it15:36
vgrade_alterego: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/packages?project=CE%3AAdaptation%3ARaspberryPi , qtplatformplugin-rpi package15:38
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vgrade_alterego: also qtwayland for rpi at https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=qtwayland-rpi&project=home%3Astskeeps%3Aqtwayland-rpi15:39
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alteregovgrade_: awesome, thanks :) I've somehow managed to procure 3 pis ;)16:11
vgrade_alterego: np, we should get the qtwayland-rpi into the HA project16:15
alteregoDo you get the strange black border issue aswell?16:16
alteregoThink it's overscan or something?16:16
vgrade_alterego: not had any issues on that16:17
alteregoHmm,16:17
alteregoWhat res do you run your pi at?16:17
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CosmoHillvgrade, alterego http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/pastebin/index.php?hx16:18
alteregoCosmoHill: does that fix it? ;)16:20
alteregoI'm running at 1080p16:20
CosmoHillno idea, just heard you talking about pis16:20
alteregoBut it doesn't fill the monitor :)16:20
CosmoHilli saw some settings about overscan16:20
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alteregoYeah, I've seen mention of it before, which is why I'm curious to see if anyone else has the issue. :)16:20
CosmoHillhttp://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=482416:20
alteregoIt happens on my HDTV and my HDMI monitor :)16:20
CosmoHillI run 1680x1050 find on my pi16:21
alteregoGod knows how many pixels I need to set that too :D16:22
alteregoI'm gonna experiment with the Risc OS image, as that boots quickly and has a nice light background ;)16:22
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alteregoCool, got it, -50 all around :)16:53
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alteregovgrade: do you know much about the boot process?16:58
alteregoI'd really like a soft reset ..16:59
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yuntakexec?17:04
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lbtStskeeps: ping - zypper, sb2, SDK and OBS17:14
alteregoyunta: I didn't even mean soft reset :/ I actually meant hard reset :D17:19
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Stskeepslbt_: i'm moving over the next 48 hours so i'm a bit not around17:44
Stskeepslbt_: i'll have internet in the noon or so tomorrow17:44
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yuntalbt_: I've got new webapp in my obs repo. One thing I'm missing though is what handles _src ? is that obs or is there something more I'm missing?18:19
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kulveSage: if I want to create a new HA, should I use build.merproject.org?18:20
yuntaor the new one?18:21
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yuntauh, b.m.o *is* the new one :)18:23
kulveyeah, thought so :)18:24
kulvewhy most of the projects start with nemo:? I don't see why hw adaptations should be nemo-specific..18:25
Stskeepsin practice they're not anyway, it's just that nemo hosts the hw adaptations18:26
Stskeepsjust like nemo hosts x86 etc18:26
kulvehow can a GUI host hw adaptations? It's like having armv8el for armv7 builds..18:27
Stskeepsyeah, becuase nemo wasn't only about the ui ;)18:28
Stskeepsalso about the many devices18:28
Stskeepsi didn't want them in mer, so the only place that there was ability to have them was nemo18:28
Stskeepsbut you can have them external18:28
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kulvewhy are they in e.g. CE:HA:xxxx18:29
kulvearen't18:29
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StskeepsCE = nemo :)18:29
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kulveyou sure are mixing the naming..18:30
Stskeepsyes18:30
Stskeepsit's a historical thing really - nemo was meego community edition before we re-based on mer instead18:31
Stskeepsand we didn't want to tie to a certain base18:31
Stskeepswe decided it didnt make sense to rename projects18:31
Stskeeps:P18:31
Stskeepsbut now that we're moving, we might as well18:31
yuntawould be cool18:31
Stskeepsjust think of nemo:hw:* as a place that hosts hw adaptations that builds against mer core18:31
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Stskeepsdoesn't have to be there but it's where there's people taking care of them :P18:33
kulveI can think it like that but it still doesn't make sense. nemo:hw:* for PA..18:33
yuntawhich is historically explainable, but doesn't fit the story that nemo is os layer on *top* of mer18:33
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Stskeepssure18:33
Stskeepswell, not too late to change it18:34
Stskeepsto hw:*18:34
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Stskeepsthis is sage's area though18:34
Stskeepskulve: PA actually builds against nemo repos too though18:34
Stskeepsshares a lot of middleware/handy packages18:34
Stskeeps:P18:34
kulvethat's good..18:34
kulveI'm find with nemo:stable:hw:xxxx18:35
kulveäh, s/find/fine18:35
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shmerlbtw, how usable is kmail touch with Nemo?18:36
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kulveStskeeps: "Add Repository" should really have those default Mer repos in the main page without needing to "pick one via advanced interface"18:39
Stskeepsyes, it's a bug in obs web ui and the way we do mer that makes it problematic18:39
Stskeepsi'll note it though18:39
Stskeepsbbl18:39
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yuntakulve: I've been told by obs God, that no sane person uses web ui for that.18:41
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kulveI'm often told to use something else than the webui but for me it just feels quicker to use :)18:43
kulve(because I'm not that familiar with the command line options)18:43
kulveand the webui works decently for many things18:44
yuntathen use meta tab and edit xml directly18:45
yuntathat's what I do18:45
yuntaI also like web ui concept....18:46
kulvewell, I counted that as a part of using the webui (even if I don't need to edit those too often..)18:46
yuntacan I generate multiple binary pkgs from one source with spectacle ?18:48
yuntaif yes: any example?18:48
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kulvedon't most packages do that? E.g. libfoo and libfoo-devel?18:48
kulveor did I understood the question wrong..18:49
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yuntamaybe they do, I'll take a look18:50
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lbt_Stskeeps: np - I'm going to remove acceleration for rpm/zypper from the SDK's sb2 lua rules18:55
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lbt_yunta: _service says *where* to get a git-pkg flavoured git repo and what tag to use. Then, with a checkout of that tag, _src is a file says how to make the rpm18:58
lbt_kulve: I personally think that we should lose the nemo: prefix for both HA and middleware18:59
kulvelbt_: good to hear that I'm not alone :)18:59
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lbt_it gives the nemo project the appearance of ownership and that, IMHO, is wrong19:00
kulveyeah19:00
kulvethat too19:00
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kulvelbt_: what would be a better prefix instead of nemo? CE (if they are more community driven than something else)?19:13
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kulveOr maybe just stable/devel/testing?19:18
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lbt_kulve: good question :)19:26
lbt_shmerl: ping19:26
shmerlHi lbt_19:27
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shmerlLooking through the discussion...19:28
shmerlAre you trying to come up with repo names prefix for hardware adaptations?19:29
kulveI think so19:30
shmerlWhat Stskeeps proposed sounds a rather straightforward solution: hw:...19:31
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kulvewould it be stable:hw:... and devel:hw:...19:32
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shmerlHow is it going to be for other parts? Will the rest of Mer repos also get such subdivisions?19:32
kulvein cobs the "devel" part is at the end and therefore this "devel" prefix in b.m.o looks odd (different) to me19:34
shmerlWell, it's just the way to slice them. I'd say it's easier to see testing: stable: as the first level division.19:35
shmerland hw: and the rest as the more inner one.19:35
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lbt_shmerl: about bug 65519:36
MerbotMer bug 655 in SDK "zypper refresh through sb2 fails with segfault for Nemo target" [Major,New] https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65519:36
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shmerlYep19:36
lbtcould you try a new set of sb2 rules for me19:36
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shmerlSure. I'm not at that machine atm though. I'll be able to do it later.19:38
lbtOK - from: https://github.com/lbt/sdk-setup/tree/master/modes/sdk-install19:38
shmerlJust to replace the old ones with these for a test?19:38
lbtyes, copy fs_rules.lua to /usr/share/scratchbox2/modes/sdk-install/ in the SDK19:39
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shmerlOK, I can test that and add a comment to the bug.19:39
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rcgevening all :)21:09
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yuntalbt: that git/rpm/obs system is not very convenient for rapid fix/check cycles21:33
lbtno, it's not21:33
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yuntalbt: can I use HEAD instead of tag, and then just force-rebuild all things ?21:36
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yuntanot that I need it now, but in general21:39
lbtI think that would be a good option21:40
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lbtone issue is that the git-pkg branch may need incremental commits21:42
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yuntalbt: I have sdk-webapp repackaged (to allow vendor customization) in my home repo. Should I sr > Mer:Tools or wait for you to setup other repo?22:25
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lbtdo it via github22:26
lbthmm22:26
lbtwhat did I tell you last time?22:26
yuntacan't remember :D22:26
lbtI wonder what makes more sense22:27
lbtSR on OBS or MR via github which mentions an OBS project?22:27
yuntaso Mer:Tools is attached to your home repo on github?22:27
lbtno, I'm just bad and the _service file has my github home as the git src22:28
yuntaso, we should just create new *proper* github repo22:28
lbtyes22:28
yuntaand make proper _service22:28
yuntait's in the scope of your bug I believe22:29
yuntashould I do it?22:29
lbthttps://github.com/mer-tools exists now22:29
yuntanice22:30
yuntais that user or some group?22:30
lbtgroup/org thing22:30
lbtyeah, we'll use that for the SDK stuff and Mer:Tools22:31
yuntalbt's member.... no, wait.. lbt's A member22:31
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lbtyes, Carsten + Islam too just as backup22:31
yuntacan't see them22:31
lbtbut not public so they're not hassled about it22:31
yuntaok22:32
yuntacan you create sdk-webapp repo so I have someplace to send my pull request to ?22:32
yuntanot necessarily now22:33
yuntabut this week :)22:33
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lbtdone22:34
yuntathanks22:35
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yuntaI wonder what happens with tags when I do pr... does it push --tags22:36
lbtgood question22:36
lbtin general tagging should be done by the maintainer22:40
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lbtso no, pr should not pull tags22:40
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yuntaok, added requested tag names to pull requests, as comments22:43
yuntaand I'm off to sleep22:44
yuntano hurry with this one22:44
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yuntaand as always thanks for help :)22:45
lbtnp22:46
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