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| timoph | iekku: 5am ? | 06:00 |
| timoph | that's early even for you | 06:00 |
| timoph | or is it the case where others walk in their sleep you type into irc :p | 06:05 |
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| situ | Morning all | 07:09 |
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| iekku | timoph, meeting at helsinki 9 am | 07:15 |
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| rcg | morning | 07:39 |
| rcg | does anyone have a clue why connecting via ssh might fail? | 07:39 |
| rcg | i.e. it hangs after entering the password | 07:39 |
| rcg | last debug output i get is: debug2: channel 0: open confirm rwindow 0 rmax 32768 | 07:40 |
| rcg | i tried from different systems.. | 07:40 |
| rcg | also connecting to different systems work | 07:40 |
| rcg | there is just that one system that constantly refuses to work | 07:40 |
| rcg | already tried if name resolution is the culprit but this issue still persists | 07:41 |
| rcg | interstingly, ssh'ing out from the affected device also hangs at the very same point | 07:41 |
| rcg | ssh'ing to localhost works though | 07:42 |
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| kulve | rcg: have you tried it in a different wlan network? | 07:46 |
| kulve | e.g. at home and at office? | 07:46 |
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| rcg | kulve, yep | 07:47 |
| rcg | even this | 07:47 |
| rcg | never had such a strange issue before | 07:47 |
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| rcg | admittedly, i am pretty clueless right now and try all the stuff on google i can find about this problem but so far nothing worked | 07:48 |
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| rcg | btw, i also have two different devices of the same type here and get the issue with both | 07:50 |
| rcg | and also generated two images from .ks file with the same result | 07:50 |
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| rcg | am just trying everything to narrow this problem down | 07:51 |
| niqt | morning all | 07:51 |
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| rcg | morning niqt | 07:52 |
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| kulve | rcg: I'm passing your moslo instructions also to the ubuntu guys as some of them are also blocked by this 700M flashing limit | 08:04 |
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| rcg | kulve, sure :) | 08:18 |
| rcg | kulve, http://ruedigergad.com/2012/12/09/nexus-7-easily-flashaccess-entire-userdata-partition/ | 08:18 |
| rcg | i wrote them down in that blog post | 08:19 |
| kulve | yeah, that's the "instructions" I mean :) | 08:19 |
| rcg | hehe alright :) | 08:19 |
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| rcg | then you also know the gitorious project :) | 08:20 |
| kulve | yeah, but didn't really check it. I've been happy with the ready made binaries | 08:21 |
| rcg | :) | 08:22 |
| rcg | as long as everyone's happy things are fine ;) | 08:22 |
| rcg | btw keep your fingers crossed... moving into a new flat tomorrow :) | 08:23 |
| Stskeeps | congrats | 08:25 |
| kulve | more space for devices | 08:25 |
| rcg | thx :) | 08:26 |
| rcg | well, devices maybe, but of course for our child :D | 08:27 |
| rcg | estimated birth date is next year may :D | 08:27 |
| kulve | then ends the nightly hacking then :) | 08:28 |
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| rcg | well, i still have the hope that i can coordinate nightly hacking and nightly taking care of baby somehow :) | 08:30 |
| rcg | i am up very late at night anyhow ;) | 08:30 |
| rcg | i'll see.. but i am really looking forward to it :D | 08:31 |
| rcg | even if i need to cut down on occasional hacking | 08:32 |
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| zuh | kulve: It's quite clear you don't have kids if you think that they sleep through the night ;) One can bottle-feed with one hand so just learn to type fast with one hand and you're all set for combining nightly feeding with hacking :) | 08:45 |
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| Stskeeps | morn slaine | 08:52 |
| slaine | morn Stskeeps | 08:52 |
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| lbt | morning all | 09:27 |
| zchydem_ | lbt: morning | 09:30 |
| lbt | o/ | 09:30 |
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| niqt | morning | 09:41 |
| lbt | niqt: did I understand you got your problem resolved? | 09:42 |
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| niqt | yes, resolved | 09:42 |
| lbt | it was an issue enumerating the SDK name in the vbox XML? | 09:42 |
| niqt | no | 09:43 |
| lbt | qmake wrapper executability? | 09:44 |
| niqt | there was a bug, but I do not think it was that. Yesterday there were many commit and at the end of day was ok | 09:45 |
| niqt | i don't know which commit has resolved my problem | 09:46 |
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| lbt | niqt: OK - I tried it on HEAD yesterday and it was OK too | 09:48 |
| niqt | the bug was on search of qt version, i fixed it on my code but the problem the problem did not disappear, then there was also another | 09:48 |
| lbt | yeah - I want to make a semi-stable branch in the code | 09:48 |
| lbt | more of a temporary tag that says "checkout this branch as it's known to actually run" | 09:49 |
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| sledges | sounds good, morning! | 10:04 |
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| CosmoHill | morning | 10:26 |
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| sledges | Stskeeps, there was a discussion about mer on non-mer mailing list, and you or lbt had to explain what it actually is. You mentioned vendor use-cases as in "car parking machines to (something bizzare, e.g. nutcracker lcd interface)" from "companies to hackers in a cellar" - I can't remember where you posted it, any refreshments? :) | 10:31 |
| Bostik | sledges: I used the phrase "we're Jolla's basement" while at Slush to explain what we were :) | 10:32 |
| Bostik | ah well, back to cracking my head with code I really don't understand... | 10:33 |
| sledges | :)) | 10:33 |
| sledges | i refer to an email ~6 months ago | 10:33 |
| sledges | time flies.. | 10:34 |
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| Bostik | ...and no, it's not webkit this time | 10:34 |
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| sledges | :} what's it? | 10:36 |
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| lbt | sledges: sorry, I don't recall seeing that email specifically | 10:49 |
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| sledges | check KDE PA mailing list history through, no hits.. | 10:52 |
| sledges | I believe it was some community readying to adopt Mer, but had many misunderstanding which you/Stskeeps then clarified | 10:52 |
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| sledges | Stskeeps, lbt, then could you please brainstorm a couple of (ridiculous) Mer use-cases: fuel drilling machines, Dick Tracy 2-Way Wrist Radio, <insert your craze> | 11:07 |
| sledges | as I 100% remember you are good in this (recalling that forlorn email) | 11:08 |
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| Bostik | sledges: I'll tell you in a few days, once the pain is no longer this acute | 11:08 |
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| sledges | ^ will go into Nemo's ad text (though stemming from Mer, that's why I write here) | 11:08 |
| sledges | ok Bostik :)) | 11:08 |
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| sledges | hmmm, my memories have just been scrambled: http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2011-October/484281.html | 11:24 |
| sledges | "It could be a small business that makes bus displays. It could be a hobbyist at home who doesn't want to bother making his own distribution and just want to show a clock on his LCD." | 11:25 |
| Bostik | it could be me, taking mer+qt5+wayland to build a touch-screen computer for my daughter... | 11:27 |
| sledges | you mean, taking an existing touch-screen computer and porting mer+qt.. ? | 11:28 |
| Bostik | sledges: taking a small, independent screen that happens to have touch film, and using that with, say ... RPi | 11:29 |
| sledges | \o/ :) | 11:29 |
| Bostik | sledges: things that usually are sold for in-car use :) | 11:29 |
| sledges | needs a good enclosure ofc | 11:29 |
| sledges | ever heard of Lilliput ? | 11:29 |
| Bostik | yeah, that's the make | 11:29 |
| sledges | www.lilliputuk.com | 11:29 |
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| Bostik | the box I have here says "Lilliput 669GL" | 11:30 |
| sledges | great :) I asked them around, if you go complex, might have driver issues | 11:30 |
| CosmoHill | http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_6069.html | 11:30 |
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| sledges | some of them operate via USB and sport the whole video card in themselves, I hope I'm mislead :)) | 11:30 |
| Nicd- | does lilliput sell to private persons? | 11:31 |
| Bostik | they were the only one that were reasonably cheap, had HDMI input and were supposedly reliable | 11:31 |
| Nicd- | that looks just like something I was looking for | 11:31 |
| Bostik | Nicd-: not directly, but amazon.de sports some retailers who do | 11:31 |
| sledges | but those with hdmi should pose only touchscreen craze, and configging Xorg for a good modeline | 11:31 |
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| Bostik | .uk does too, I think | 11:31 |
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| Bostik | now I just need roughly two weeks of spare time to make it all happen... | 11:32 |
| Nicd- | I'll store those links in memory, currently I'm thinking of something else for my RPi | 11:32 |
| Nicd- | but an RPi tablet would be cool to make sometime | 11:32 |
| CosmoHill | Bostik: http://www.carcomputer.co.uk/ | 11:32 |
| sledges | Nicd-, http://www.carcomputer.co.uk/index.php?/monitors/hdmi-monitors/lilliput-669gl-70np/c/t-7-hdmi-touch-screen-monitor | 11:32 |
| sledges | lol CosmoHill :)) | 11:32 |
| CosmoHill | they have lilliput | 11:33 |
| Nicd- | hm, pretty expensive :/ | 11:33 |
| CosmoHill | sledges: hehe, how did you find that? | 11:33 |
| Bostik | CosmoHill: aye, that was one of the links I came across; and if I lived in UK would have used them certaily | 11:33 |
| CosmoHill | i thought you were in the uk | 11:33 |
| sledges | I am, hence | 11:33 |
| CosmoHill | my friend spent £1000 on his head unit | 11:34 |
| CosmoHill | duno why, his car is garaged more than driven | 11:34 |
| Bostik | CosmoHill: .fi, ~40km from Russian border | 11:34 |
| sledges | and you can compatibly put them with ByByte black box, then goes straight to your car ;) http://www.carcomputer.co.uk/index.php?/car-pc-cases/bybyte-black-box-n-2-din-nano-itx-in-dash-car-pc-case | 11:34 |
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| CosmoHill | i like the way you need to buy a monitor and then void the warranty to fit it | 11:35 |
| Nicd- | I'm currently thinking of buying a bunch of sensors and collecting sensor data + video from my car with the RPi during driving (the like you see in formula races) | 11:37 |
| CosmoHill | "Raspberry Pi Compatible 10.1" HDMI touch screen monitor" | 11:38 |
| CosmoHill | Nicd-: you mean like using the OBDII port? | 11:38 |
| Nicd- | no, my car is from 1991 :P | 11:38 |
| Nicd- | more like connecting sensors to the steering wheel, pedals, gear stick and stuff | 11:39 |
| Nicd- | I have some plans here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0At0Z31BtuE7HdGNmdTd2OUE3djRmWGZaNFl0ckl2YkE#gid=0 | 11:39 |
| CosmoHill | "1024×600 native, up to 1920×1080" how does this work :/ | 11:39 |
| Nicd- | currently it's all just in my head | 11:40 |
| Nicd- | CosmoHill: discarding data :P | 11:40 |
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| CosmoHill | don't advertise is as a 1080p monitor then >.< | 11:41 |
| Nicd- | it's "HD Ready"! ;) | 11:41 |
| CosmoHill | it's not even that | 11:41 |
| CosmoHill | i should probably take my car off charge | 11:46 |
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| slaine | CosmoHill: Hardware Scaling | 12:14 |
| slaine | We'd a 20" TV that was basically a large 640x480 panel with hw scaling for TV resolutions and supported "up to 1024x768" for PC inputs | 12:14 |
| slaine | POS | 12:14 |
| CosmoHill | hehe | 12:15 |
| slaine | I still have to manage about 600 of them across london, the bloody things won't die | 12:15 |
| CosmoHill | i thought tv was 576 vertial? | 12:16 |
| CosmoHill | i remember a staduim in the us just installed a massive monitor | 12:17 |
| CosmoHill | one of the guys plugged a xbox 360 into it | 12:17 |
| sledges | Nicd-, rpi is 8 × GPIO, UART, I²C bus, SPI bus with two chip selects | 12:21 |
| sledges | so SPI - two devices; how many can you wire up on IIC ? | 12:22 |
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| Nicd- | sledges: actually that is one of the things I don't know :P | 12:24 |
| Nicd- | so far I've been finding suitable sensors, but I'm not sure if I can connect them all | 12:24 |
| sledges | yes, I saw your document and questions below ;) | 12:24 |
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| Nicd- | my experience with I2C for example is short, we did one implementation in VHDL at my uni | 12:27 |
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| Nicd- | so I'm not completely sure this is feasible | 12:28 |
| Nicd- | but at least I'm going to try :P | 12:28 |
| sledges | maximum number of I2C devices used at any one time is 112 | 12:28 |
| sledges | http://blog.littlebirdelectronics.com/tutorial-arduino-and-the-i2c-bus | 12:28 |
| Nicd- | but wikipedia states that often the amount of slave devices is limited to 8 | 12:29 |
| Nicd- | even that would be enough for me | 12:29 |
| Nicd- | the problem is how to connect them to the same bus if they are around the car | 12:29 |
| Nicd- | and fitting the other sensors with their own communication interfaces | 12:30 |
| sledges | to the same bus? wires | 12:30 |
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| sledges | you got 2 more SPI | 12:30 |
| sledges | and 8 GPIOs | 12:30 |
| Nicd- | but the wires will be pretty long then | 12:31 |
| sledges | IIC is limited to several meters | 12:31 |
| Nicd- | I don't know enough about electronics to say if that is a problem or not | 12:31 |
| sledges | so is the car :) | 12:31 |
| sledges | you'll surely learn a lot | 12:31 |
| Nicd- | my ultimate goal is to create software which would take the sensor data and the camera feed and render a video with virtual instruments | 12:32 |
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| Nicd- | something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21KiVSpEddI (except uglier) | 12:33 |
| Nicd- | and more suited to everyday driving maybe | 12:33 |
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| sledges | ~off-topic: I would like to see a rendering of instruments when car is doing 180/360/drifting/etc | 12:35 |
| sledges | probably there is one already | 12:35 |
| sledges | handbrake sensor please! :D | 12:35 |
| Nicd- | just another rotation sensor | 12:35 |
| Nicd- | :p | 12:35 |
| sledges | shere should be some such interactive car stunt tutorial videos :D | 12:36 |
| sledges | (when they film ones feet+pedals, is still not that clear) | 12:36 |
| Nicd- | also, an idea I had was that if this could be made easy (maybe tap into OBDII in modern cars), we could have people posting their driving online to be rated by others | 12:36 |
| Nicd- | how they use the clutch and so forth | 12:37 |
| Nicd- | or on rally trackso fc | 12:37 |
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| sledges | :) and ways of 180 ;D ;P | 12:39 |
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| Nicd- | maybe. I'm a boring driver though, my test videos will probably be dull as hell | 12:40 |
| sledges | not dull for those who want to learn proper elegant driving (fuel econ etc) | 12:41 |
| sledges | including me, sometimes :) | 12:41 |
| Nicd- | well yeah | 12:41 |
| Nicd- | "How to drive carefully and efficiently, by Nicd" | 12:41 |
| Nicd- | anyway, I'm off. see you | 12:42 |
| sledges | cya! | 12:42 |
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| mountain | Hi, I can build a Mer rootfs image and running it with QEMU on my laptop now, it shows a Window with a 'Qt quick' box, how does this app get started? how can I get information for developing an app with Mer? so I can replace this default app | 13:05 |
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| sledges | mountain, which kickstart (.ks) file did you use? | 13:24 |
| sledges | (not that it's wrong, I'll just point you the right direction :)) | 13:25 |
| mountain | sledges:this one: mer-core-armv6l-xorg-basic-qmlviewer.ks | 13:25 |
| sledges | ah, ignore that, it's been a while since I used them, and they looked different back then :) | 13:27 |
| sledges | so mountain, the starting app is pointed by /usr/share/xsessions/default.desktop | 13:27 |
| sledges | and that app is called qmlviewer (hence the .ks name) | 13:27 |
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| mountain | sledges: thank you for pointing out :) . | 13:28 |
| sledges | can you access shell prompt in any way? | 13:29 |
| mountain | sledges: no, I can't, it shows this 'qmlviewer' at startup | 13:30 |
| sledges | so you can make your own (simple) .desktop file and Exec whatever you want (e.g. xterm, after you install it first ofc with `zypper in xterm`) - but your .ks has no connectivity, so you don't have sshd running nor you can access external repositories | 13:30 |
| sledges | there we are | 13:30 |
| sledges | you should build -connectivity- .ks file | 13:30 |
| sledges | as on QEMU probably you can't press Ctrl+Alt+Fx to access virtual terminals, can you? | 13:31 |
| mountain | sledges: ok, now I see how it works. :) | 13:31 |
| mountain | no, I can't | 13:31 |
| mountain | Ctrl+Alt leaves qemu... | 13:31 |
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| sledges | if it was i586 you could mount the virtual disk and chroot ;) | 13:34 |
| sledges | but best get-out-of-jail card is compile connectivity kickstart | 13:34 |
| mountain | sledges: sure, I will give that a try | 13:35 |
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| Nicd- | sledges: seems like I can't use the rotation sensors I wanted to as they are analog :P | 13:55 |
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| Nicd- | don't know what to use for measuring rotation relative to the car now | 13:56 |
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| sledges | Nicd-, all sensors are analog, and eventually get discretised | 14:37 |
| sledges | you need an ADC in between, if sensor does not offer on itself (wish RPi offered one, but some other EVM boards do, old 8-bit Freescale one ;)) | 14:38 |
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| Nicd- | sledges: yeah, just looking at the datasheet of an ADC | 14:44 |
| Nicd- | since it has 4 inputs, it's cheaper than buying a gyro for each pedal (and gyros aren't relative) | 14:44 |
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| kulve | gyros have drift | 14:54 |
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| sledges | and gyro would work only when your pedal is in motion, so summing deltas might carry you away :) | 15:10 |
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| kulve | that's why you need also accelerometers | 15:25 |
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| sledges | ouch | 15:26 |
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| lpotter | sensor fusion | 20:47 |
| lpotter | you need both gyro and accel, and then apply some matrix fu | 20:48 |
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