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| lpotter | hmm.. how do I install things in the sb2 target... | 01:32 |
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| chriadam | sb2 -t targetname -m sdk-install -R <---- will drop you to a root prompt from which you can use rpm etc | 01:35 |
| lpotter | ya found that. thanks | 01:36 |
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| auri__ | sledges: ping | 01:40 |
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| w00t | lpotter: sup? | 01:48 |
| lpotter | :) hopefully an update will give me the correct bluez version to configure ofono | 01:50 |
| w00t | ah.. fun.. | 01:50 |
| lpotter | maybe I should eat lunch | 01:51 |
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| lpotter | hmm libqconnman-qt has no tests, really | 02:44 |
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| lpotter | must mean it's perfect | 02:46 |
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| lpotter | heh. no ones removed the 'hello world' page from it's qml "test" | 02:51 |
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| w00t | lpotter: hello world? where? :) | 02:52 |
| lpotter | libconnman-qt in the test/ | 02:52 |
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| w00t | heh... :) | 02:57 |
| lpotter | I can tell libconnman-qt and libofono-qt were written by different people... | 03:04 |
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| situ | Morning everyone | 05:35 |
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| mardy | chriadam: I wonder why AccountInterface::{account,identity}Identifier returns a string and not just an unsigned int | 07:24 |
| chriadam | QML doesn't do unsigned int | 07:25 |
| chriadam | I know, it's horrible | 07:25 |
| chriadam | I could just return an int | 07:25 |
| chriadam | I guess | 07:25 |
| special | 2^31 accounts aught to be enough for anybody | 07:26 |
| chriadam | agree | 07:26 |
| chriadam | also, I'm starting to wonder about the fact that Account + Identity aren't really declarative. I mean, maybe I should allow them to be creatable types, and just do something like: if id not specified, or specified to 0, then it's a new account/identity; otherwise, it's an existing account/identity. | 07:27 |
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| chriadam | the AccountManagerInterface then gets simplified down a lot (createAccount() gets removed, removeAccount() gets moved into the AccountInterface itself, etc) | 07:28 |
| mardy | chriadam: mmm... I'm not sure it's a good idea; in any case you need a manager | 07:29 |
| mardy | chriadam: BTW, a few thing you could remove: | 07:32 |
| mardy | in AuthSessionInterface, request(), challenge() | 07:32 |
| chriadam | true, the manager interface is needed anyway. | 07:32 |
| chriadam | mardy: so, only process() is generally used? | 07:32 |
| mardy | chriadam: yes | 07:33 |
| mardy | chriadam: in IdentityInterface, remove type and refCount | 07:33 |
| chriadam | ok. what about addReference / removeReference in the manager? or is that separate? | 07:36 |
| mardy | chriadam: it's not very used, but it's not going to be deprecated; I'd keep it | 07:37 |
| chriadam | ok, but get rid of refCount in IdentityInterface anyway? | 07:38 |
| mardy | chriadam: yes | 07:40 |
| chriadam | ok, will do | 07:40 |
| chriadam | thanks for the feedback. I'll be writing documentation + unit tests for it this week, so I'll let you know when that's done, and hopefully get it integrated into nemo-qml-plugins master by early next week, I guess. | 07:42 |
| chriadam | although no doubt it'll still evolve slightly over time, especially the client-use classes, as I haven't attempted to validate their API yet. | 07:42 |
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| niqt | morning | 07:51 |
| chriadam | gmorning | 07:51 |
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| niqt | ping sledges | 08:10 |
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| situ | Could anyone explain what's Moslo ? | 08:13 |
| dm8tbr | situ: it's essentially a kexec based boot-menu/loader | 08:15 |
| situ | Ok, is it optimized for embedded devices ? | 08:16 |
| Stskeeps | just a handy way to do friendly flashing | 08:16 |
| situ | I never flashed a mobile device :) | 08:17 |
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| Stskeeps | :nod: | 08:19 |
| Stskeeps | it's basically making it appear as a usb stick | 08:19 |
| kulve | all mobile devices have their own often proprietary ways for flashing them. Moslo can be used to make the device (or one partition of it) to appear as an usb stick (like stskeeps put it) | 08:20 |
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| situ | Allright | 08:23 |
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| CosmoHill | Morning | 10:07 |
| rcg-work | morning | 10:08 |
| CosmoHill | what's your job? | 10:08 |
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| rcg-work | research assistant | 10:12 |
| rcg-work | in german it's "Wissenschaftlicher Mitarbeiter" | 10:12 |
| rcg-work | i think "research assistant" is the most appropriate translation | 10:12 |
| * CosmoHill sighs when it comes across a website that doesn't work | 10:13 | |
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| CosmoHill | what kinda things do you research? | 10:14 |
| rcg-work | computer networks, security, and data protection | 10:15 |
| rcg-work | personally i am most involved in network analysis and surveillance | 10:15 |
| rcg-work | so, computer science in general ;) | 10:16 |
| CosmoHill | cool | 10:17 |
| CosmoHill | I seem to have gone into web development atm | 10:17 |
| CosmoHill | at the moment I'm trying to figure out how do make URLs relative in Jekyll | 10:18 |
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| rcg-work | it is quite fun :) | 10:20 |
| rcg-work | lot's of work but still fun :) | 10:20 |
| rcg-work | i see, that's an interesting field as well | 10:20 |
| CosmoHill | i had never heard of Jekyll until lbt asked about it | 10:21 |
| rcg-work | me neither ;) | 10:21 |
| rcg-work | is it some server or framework? | 10:21 |
| CosmoHill | it's a static website generator in ruby | 10:21 |
| CosmoHill | well, it's a paraphraser that links files together to make a website | 10:22 |
| niqt | lbt i wrote email with my analisis on mer-sdk probelm (my ?) | 10:23 |
| rcg-work | i see | 10:24 |
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| CosmoHill | my business cards are here :) | 10:55 |
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| veskuh | lbt, is this really still open: https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=559 ? | 12:41 |
| Merbot | Mer bug 559 in SDK "var/run symlink causes sb2 target's zypper not to work" [Major,New] | 12:41 |
| lbt | hmm | 12:42 |
| Stskeeps | probably in sdk-build/sdk-install's rules a /run is needed | 12:42 |
| Stskeeps | fix /usr/src while you're at it | 12:42 |
| lbt | I have a task for sorting out zypper in targets - I'll link this to it | 12:44 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: btw, where is your git-pkg for rpm? | 13:54 |
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| lbt | https://github.com/lbt/git-pkg ? | 14:10 |
| lbt | oh, I see | 14:10 |
| lbt | locally | 14:10 |
| lbt | I didn't want to mess up the mer git repos back then | 14:10 |
| lbt | I'll push it after I eat | 14:10 |
| Stskeeps | ok, please do | 14:11 |
| Stskeeps | i want to upgrade rpm | 14:11 |
| CosmoHill | rpm or rpm5? | 14:11 |
| Stskeeps | rpm | 14:11 |
| lbt | Stskeeps just to latest upstream? | 14:11 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 14:12 |
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| auri__ | lbt: ping | 18:04 |
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| phaeron | lbt: review please https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/7515 | 18:11 |
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| lbt | auri__: pong | 18:21 |
| lbt | auri__: but I'm about to go out :) | 18:21 |
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| auri__ | lbt: ok.. still in SC.. probably ping you then on thursday | 18:26 |
| lbt | ok, sure | 18:27 |
| lbt | we're having a chat about planning tomorrow afternoon | 18:27 |
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| lbt | auri__: one thing I know we need to change is the .ssh/* handling ... that shouldn't happen unless the user explicitly agrees to it | 18:29 |
| lbt | at the moment QtC is modifying authorized_keys when you click "Test Conection" | 18:29 |
| lbt | I could also do with a summary of where we're handling filename/path mangling | 18:30 |
| lbt | I'm writing the rpm-install wrapper and will make an sdk-client package I think | 18:30 |
| auri__ | ok | 18:30 |
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| auri__ | do you want them now | 18:30 |
| auri__ | or on thursaday when i am back | 18:31 |
| auri__ | will email you.. prob | 18:31 |
| auri__ | lbt: the advantage with creator created ssh keys is that the user need not explicitly create keys.. also we are just appending authorized_keys.. shoudnt that be ok? | 18:32 |
| lbt | not without explicit permission :) | 18:33 |
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| auri__ | well.. that means another indirection.. for the average users.. do they really care which ssh key is used? | 18:33 |
| lbt | no | 18:33 |
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| auri__ | after all the authorized_keys file is only in the shared home folder | 18:34 |
| lbt | most users don't care | 18:34 |
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| lbt | however that doesn't give us the right to modify their security settings without asking | 18:34 |
| lbt | it's simply the wrong thing to do :) | 18:34 |
| shmerl | auri__: It's like taking someone's keys from the house without asking. Do you think people should care? | 18:35 |
| shmerl | I think they should. | 18:35 |
| auri__ | ok.. then probably keep this as default behaviour .. and provide an expandable option that does the permission settings | 18:35 |
| auri__ | etc | 18:35 |
| lbt | no | 18:35 |
| lbt | seriously | 18:35 |
| shmerl | I mean in general - dealing with ssh keys can be compared to regular keys :) | 18:35 |
| auri__ | shmerl: well you are talking about localhost.. its right on your machine.. :) | 18:36 |
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| shmerl | In this case yes. But what prevents you fron exetending it to remote use case. | 18:36 |
| shmerl | In theory | 18:36 |
| auri__ | Ah! for remote case, its different.. we will follow almost the same like remote linux device | 18:36 |
| auri__ | that remain unchanged | 18:36 |
| auri__ | this is only for localhost | 18:37 |
| lbt | auri__: no, it's not | 18:37 |
| auri__ | device config is different from VM config | 18:37 |
| lbt | you are adding a key that does allow remote access to my machine | 18:37 |
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| lbt | now, personally I trust my own keys | 18:37 |
| lbt | but we absolutely cannot make that assumption for people. Sorry. | 18:38 |
| auri__ | so you are saying that we should bring back the option to specify the private key when making the connection> | 18:38 |
| lbt | It's fine to pop up a dialog saying "Creator cannot connect to the SDK VM using SSH. Do you want to make a new ssh key and add this key to authorized_keys to allow ssh to work?" | 18:39 |
| auri__ | ok | 18:39 |
| auri__ | sounds reasonable | 18:39 |
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| lbt | also we should say that ssh needs key equivalence in the docs - eg I don't need those keys | 18:40 |
| auri__ | didnt get this part | 18:41 |
| lbt | nb, I'm really happy that you do this - it's nicely done. It just needs to be polite about it | 18:41 |
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| auri__ | ok | 18:42 |
| auri__ | i saw someppl were cribbing about connection settings.. like VM is not registered etc.. any idea why? | 18:43 |
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| kulve | rcg: what rotates the display on your PA image? The xorg rotate option is ignored according to the xorg log.. | 18:52 |
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| rcg | kulve, that's strange | 18:54 |
| rcg | without that it is in portrait mode | 18:54 |
| CosmoHill | hi rcg-ome | 18:55 |
| rcg | you mean the option in the monitor section? | 18:55 |
| CosmoHill | *home | 18:55 |
| rcg | hi CosmoHill | 18:55 |
| shmerl | rcg: I just got my Nexus7 :) Btw, what filesystem will PA use on it? | 18:56 |
| kulve | rcg: yeah | 18:57 |
| kulve | shmerl: I guess anything you like. Ext4 is popular though | 18:58 |
| rcg | shmerl, ext4 | 18:58 |
| rcg | shmerl, but i guess it doesn't matter much aslong as the kernel can read it | 18:58 |
| shmerl | So one should format it first, and then just install the images there? | 18:58 |
| rcg | in the worst case the fstab needs tweaking | 18:58 |
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| rcg | shmerl, or as kulve said :) | 18:59 |
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| shmerl | OK. I mean there should be some preferred fs for the streamlined install I guess. | 18:59 |
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| kulve | ext4 is probably the preferred one | 19:00 |
| rcg | well, we are using ext4 and i guess that's what's defined in the fstab | 19:00 |
| kulve | rcg: does it work in the portrait mode? Even if it probably looks better in the landscape? | 19:00 |
| shmerl | OK | 19:00 |
| rcg | kulve, nope | 19:00 |
| rcg | kulve, at least i had some issues | 19:00 |
| kulve | ok | 19:00 |
| rcg | even after i fixed the axes (orientation, mirroring) | 19:01 |
| rcg | there was still the issue that apparently the scaling was wrong | 19:01 |
| kulve | I was just thinking if some of the segfaults with accelerated rendering could be related to that.. | 19:01 |
| kulve | but now bbl | 19:01 |
| rcg | kk | 19:01 |
| shmerl | I wonder how different filesystems behave on flash drive. I.e. what's preferable. | 19:01 |
| shmerl | i.e. xfs vs ext4 or may be btrfs? | 19:01 |
| rcg | btw. i was trying emumaster but without luck.. emumaster heavily relies on opengl for painting afaik | 19:02 |
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| Bostik | shmerl: if you've followed LKML discussions, samsung submitted their own attempt at a flash-first filesystem; one of the interesting features is that there can be multiple write points at the same time (since there's no spinning rustbuckets to wait for, there's really no reason to introduce chokepoints for writing) | 19:08 |
| Bostik | I wouldn't be surprised if some other filesystems lifted that piece of design in very near future... | 19:09 |
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| shmerl | Bostik: I've heard something about that, but I'm not sure if that was supposed to be an open filesystem. If it would - it could be interesting. | 19:12 |
| Bostik | well the patches have certainly been vetted on LKML | 19:13 |
| shmerl | I thought it was more for storage purposes (like for cameras), rather than for filesystems with workload (for OS) | 19:13 |
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| situ | Bostik: hey | 19:20 |
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| rcg | interesting.. on nexus 7 3g userdata is mmcblk0p10 | 19:46 |
| rcg | instead of mmcblk0p9 | 19:47 |
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| RaYmAn | rcg: because there is a radio partition as well (radio firmware) | 19:48 |
| rcg | i see | 19:48 |
| RaYmAn | due to the way tegra works, it's a pain in the ass if you don't put userdata last | 19:49 |
| rcg | but it's another speciallity we need to deal with | 19:49 |
| RaYmAn | I'm not sure where it gets it, but there is /dev/block/platform/tegra-sdhci.X/by-name on android | 19:50 |
| shmerl | Are there any major differences between WiFi 16 GB and WiFi 32 GB versions? | 19:50 |
| RaYmAn | I dunno if anyone checked specifically, but as far as software is concerned, no. Only that the userdata partition is bigger | 19:51 |
| shmerl | So you installation procedures shouldn't differ | 19:51 |
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| sledges | auri__, pong | 20:17 |
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| sledges | budgie got sick today :{ | 20:25 |
| sledges | but now better, so me wasn't around | 20:25 |
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| sledges | aportale, thanks for pushing zhxt's fix, should be no more "VM is not registered" errors | 20:42 |
| sledges | I'll retest tomorrow and update wiki | 20:42 |
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| Stskeeps | lpotter: usually i visit gerrit once a day :) ofono looks fine, i'll merge it in next mer version | 21:34 |
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| lpotter | apparently, you arent a registered user | 21:39 |
| Stskeeps | i'm not? | 21:41 |
| Stskeeps | carsten munk? :P | 21:42 |
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| lpotter | thats what it tells me when I try to add you as reviewer | 21:43 |
| lpotter | there's even a bug for it | 21:43 |
| Stskeeps | ok, odd | 21:43 |
| lpotter | https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=484 | 21:44 |
| Merbot | Mer bug 484 in IT / Other "Can't add Carsten to a gerrit review." [Normal,New] | 21:44 |
| Stskeeps | well at least it doesn't say 'stskeeps is an idiot' like one other bug ;) | 21:44 |
| lpotter | ha | 21:44 |
| sledges | hya | 21:45 |
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| w00t | Stskeeps: you toooold me to file that! | 21:45 |
| w00t | :P | 21:45 |
| sledges | do you think FSF would agree that "GNU/Linux" is an appropriate name for Mer and Nemo ? | 21:45 |
| Stskeeps | ohdeargod | 21:45 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: tell them we try to avoid gplv3 on the device and i doubt it | 21:46 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:46 |
| sledges | as in, trying but not succeeding? :) | 21:46 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: enemy of freedom | 21:46 |
| shmerl | Why avoiding GPLv3? | 21:46 |
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| shmerl | It mostly scares away those who use DRM in abusive manner. But why should it bother Mer. | 21:47 |
| sledges | we are socially presenting Nemo at the moment (g+/fb), and introductory text would read "a GNU/Linux Mer core distribution" - or without GNU/ ? ;) | 21:48 |
| * sivang is in for GNU | 21:48 | |
| sivang | albeit cumbersome and longish | 21:49 |
| shmerl | Sledges: I usually don't use GNU/Linux, since it's understood from the context. | 21:49 |
| CosmoHill | sivang: you make it sound like a crime | 21:49 |
| shmerl | I.e. that Android for example is bionic/Linux and etc. | 21:49 |
| Stskeeps | shmerl: it's sadly a market demand, so | 21:50 |
| sivang | shmerl: DRM? | 21:50 |
| shmerl | I.e. in cases of Linux distros - usually GNU/Linux is implicitly understood. | 21:50 |
| sivang | yes, it is even said so on wikipedia | 21:50 |
| sivang | I want to attract users, 'Linux' is well known, GNU sometime raises an eye brows in more userish realms | 21:50 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: how so? | 21:51 |
| kimju | if you want to attract users, then leave gnu, fsf and rms out of it :) | 21:51 |
| sivang | my thinking exactly. | 21:51 |
| shmerl | sivang: I think the issue with GPLv3 is the "Tivoization": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tivoization | 21:52 |
| sledges | +1 kimju & sivang | 21:52 |
| shmerl | I.t. a method to prevent DRM abuse. | 21:52 |
| shmerl | But vendors who like to use "security" as a method of control, rather than security don't like that aspect of GPLv3 | 21:52 |
| sivang | when they become developers, we'll send them reading about RMS and ESR | 21:53 |
| sivang | ? | 21:53 |
| sivang | shmerl: interesting read | 21:54 |
| shmerl | That causes Linus Torvalds to avoid GPLv3 for the kernel I think. | 21:54 |
| sivang | shmerl: makes sense if you want to make money I guess | 21:55 |
| shmerl | In theory Stallman is right - such abuse should be prevented. | 21:55 |
| Stskeeps | patents might also be the issue, drm not so much | 21:55 |
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| sivang | sledges: let's go on with Linux for the time being, and change it afterwards on need / requirement? | 21:56 |
| auri__ | sledges: what was the VM not registered prob that you encountered? | 21:58 |
| auri__ | did you use the latest creator? | 21:58 |
| lpotter | mernix | 22:01 |
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| shmerl | sivang: Did you make anything for Diaspora (i.e. Nemo social presence)? | 22:03 |
| sivang | shmerl: nope, I'm working on the content at the moment, and would take on twitter for Nemomobile if I can choose, feel free to do it | 22:05 |
| sivang | or better- we could have shared the credentials | 22:05 |
| sivang | such that everone can handle the social presence ids given proper code of condutct and attiquette | 22:06 |
| shmerl | Sure, I can help if you want. | 22:06 |
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| sivang | shmerl: then go ahead :) | 22:06 |
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| sivang | shmerl: that is to say- I've not created a single account yet, working on the content as etherpad shows | 22:06 |
| shmerl | Should I create some diaspora user for Nemomobile before you finish the content? | 22:06 |
| shmerl | OK, I'd rather wait to avoid confusion | 22:07 |
| sivang | shmerl: yes, we then have all ready and connect the dots when gfx and content is finished | 22:07 |
| sledges | auri__, https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK_on_VirtualBox#VM_is_not_registered | 22:09 |
| sledges | auri__, is fixed now | 22:09 |
| sledges | yeap, word Linux definitely has to be in there | 22:09 |
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| sivang | sledges: +1 | 22:21 |
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| sledges | auri__, hopefully fixed, will recheck tomorrow and update wiki | 22:23 |
| auri__ | ok | 22:23 |
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| sivang | sledges: phew ;) | 22:36 |
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| sivang | sledges: etherpad is pure fun :-p | 22:51 |
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| sledges | yay :) | 22:58 |
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| sivang | sledges: off now, see you tomorrow | 23:09 |
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| sledges | g'nite | 23:30 |
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