Thursday, 2012-12-13

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situMorning all05:46
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situchriadam|busy: What's up ?05:54
chriadam|busywriting unit tests and documentation.  my two favourite tasks O_O05:55
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davidqihi all, could you please tell how to get the .ks files?06:21
davidqiby mistake, I lost my *.ks files06:21
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davidqihi all, I installed my Mer Platform SDK several weeks ago,06:51
zengweitottycan any one get the problem like this.booting kernel and almost mount the Mer filesystem.But suddently kernel panic06:51
davidqibut by mistake, I lost my *.ks files06:51
davidqido you know where to download *.ks files06:51
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kulvedavidqi: which .ks exactly?06:58
davidqiand so on06:58
davidqiI need mer-sdk-armv6l-****.ks especially06:59
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davidqiUsually, the files are in the /srv/mer/sdks/sdk/tmp/ path07:00
davidqibut that directory of mine is empty07:00
kulveyou can create some kickstarts by:07:01
kulvesudo zypper install mer-kickstarter mer-kickstarter-configs07:01
kulvecd /usr/share/kickstarter-configs07:01
kulvemer-kickstarter -o /tmp/out-ks -c mer-reference-images/00reference.yaml07:01
kulvebut I don't remember if that includes those SDK kickstarts..07:02
zengweitottyhi, Kulve.07:05
zengweitottyI meet a problem. I transplanting Mer filesystem to S3C6410 board. My kernel can boot the filesystem that I create by myself.but I can not boot Mer fileSystem. kernel prints devtmpfs: mounted07:06
zengweitottyFreeing init memory: 168K07:06
zengweitottyKernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!07:06
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zengweitottyKulve, Could you help me about this problem? thank you very very much07:07
chriadam|busygrargh.  wrong window07:08
kulveunfortunately I can't remember why that error would be happening..07:08
zengweitottyhi chriadam. could you make it more clearly07:09
kulvezengweitotty: did you create the mer filesystem yourself?07:09
chriadam|busyzengweitotty: sorry, I don't know what causes that either.  I just accidentally pressed "up + enter" while focus was on my IRC client, instead of my terminal ;-)07:10
chriadam|busyand apparently "yep" was the last thing I said.07:10
Stskeepszengweitotty: are you using mer armv6 port?07:10
zengweitottyhi Stskeeps. yes07:10
zengweitottyI think the problem is my kernel config07:11
Stskeepszengweitotty: kernel version?07:11
zengweitottyMy kernel version is linux-3.0.107:11
kulvezengweitotty: make sure your kernel config matches these:
zengweitottycan Mer do not match some other kernel version07:12
kulvezengweitotty: also make sure your rootfs really is ARMv6 and not ARMv707:12
zengweitottyyes ,I do07:13
zengweitottyKulve,I checked my kernel config as the link says last night07:14
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zengweitottybut The problem still has07:14
Stskeepszengweitotty: how do you make your image? mic cr -A armv6l ?07:14
davidqithanks Kulve07:16
davidqiI have recreated them.07:16
zengweitottyStskeeps,is there any another important things I might miss07:17
Stskeepszengweitotty: does init=/bin/sh work?07:18
Stskeepsas command line07:18
zengweitottyset bootargs "noinitrd root=179:2 rw init=/bin/bash console=ttySAC0,115200"07:19
zengweitottythis is my command line args07:19
Stskeepsok, and it doesn't work?07:19
Stskeepscan you readelf -A bin/bash    on your root filesystem?07:20
zengweitottyset bootargs "noinitrd root=179:2 rw init=/sbin/init console=ttySAC0,115200"07:20
Stskeepsjust to be sure07:20
zengweitottycommand line above two is the same problem07:20
zengweitottythey all not work07:20
Stskeepsi need to see the readelf then07:21
zengweitottyKernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!07:21
zengweitotty[<c0038b94>] (unwind_backtrace+0x0/0xf4) from [<c049bf5c>] (dump_stack+0x18/0x1c)07:21
zengweitotty[<c049bf5c>] (dump_stack+0x18/0x1c) from [<c049bfc4>] (panic+0x64/0x184)07:21
zengweitotty[<c049bfc4>] (panic+0x64/0x184) from [<c0051e3c>] (do_exit+0x690/0x6c4)07:21
zengweitotty[<c0051e3c>] (do_exit+0x690/0x6c4) from [<c00520d4>] (do_group_exit+0x48/0xb8)07:21
zengweitotty[<c00520d4>] (do_group_exit+0x48/0xb8) from [<c0060548>] (get_signal_to_deliver+0x1bc/0x3d0)07:21
zengweitotty[<c0060548>] (get_signal_to_deliver+0x1bc/0x3d0) from [<c0035568>] (do_signal+0x80/0x5a4)07:21
zengweitotty[<c0035568>] (do_signal+0x80/0x5a4) from [<c0035f8c>] (do_notify_resume+0x64/0x70)07:21
zengweitotty[<c0035f8c>] (do_notify_resume+0x64/0x70) from [<c0032b98>] (work_pending+0x24/0x28)07:21
Stskeepsyeah, that's expected07:21
zengweitottyabove is the kernel panic oops07:22
Stskeeps:nod: fairly normal as a kernel panics07:22
zengweitottyhmm, this problem drive me up the wall07:23
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Stskeepsyes, please tell me what 'readelf -A bin/bash' says on your root filesystem07:24
zengweitottyLibrary list section '.gnu.liblist' contains 5 entries:07:26
zengweitotty     Library              Time Stamp          Checksum   Version Flags07:26
zengweitotty  0:        2012-11-28T14:18:58 0x04394b43 0       007:26
zengweitotty  1:           2012-11-28T14:18:55 0x35a89ba3 0       007:26
zengweitotty  2:        2012-11-28T14:18:55 0xacaa8549 0       007:26
zengweitotty  3:            2012-11-28T14:18:55 0x7bf445bd 0       007:26
zengweitotty  4: /lib/   2012-11-28T14:18:55 0xfe6b8c3f 0       007:26
zengweitottyAttribute Section: aeabi07:26
zengweitottyFile Attributes07:26
zengweitotty  Tag_CPU_name: "6"07:26
zengweitotty  Tag_CPU_arch: v607:26
zengweitotty  Tag_ARM_ISA_use: Yes07:26
zengweitotty  Tag_THUMB_ISA_use: Thumb-107:26
zengweitotty  Tag_VFP_arch: VFPv207:26
zengweitotty  Tag_ABI_PCS_wchar_t: 407:26
zengweitotty  Tag_ABI_FP_denormal: Needed07:26
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Stskeepszengweitotty: ok, please get acquainted with - you paste your content there and then provide us the url of the pasted content07:26
zengweitottycould you see it?07:28
Stskeepshmm, that looks ok07:28
zengweitottyDo you mean my Mer filesystem is ok?07:29
Stskeepscan you show me the whole kernel bootup log? pastie that is07:30
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zengweitottythis is mostly my kernel log07:32
Stskeepscan you show me the top too? just want to see what it says about kernel command line07:32
zengweitottyok, wait for a minute07:34
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zengweitottyhi, Stskeeps.My logs lost.I have to re build my kernel and get the logs07:40
zengweitottyI will get the logs as soon as possbile07:41
zengweitottythank you very much07:41
Stskeepsalternatively, try to boot up a different system07:41
Stskeepschroot into the mer system and test if binaries work there07:41
zengweitottymy kernel can boot filesystem I create by myself07:43
zengweitottybut it can not boot Mer07:43
Stskeepsok, it'd be good to check where something goes wrong07:43
zengweitottyI do not how to check07:45
Stskeepswell, imagine that you have a directory in /mer on your file system, that contains the mer file system07:46
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Stskeepsand then your working file system is /07:47
Stskeepsso you boot up your working file system07:47
Stskeepsand chroot /mer07:47
Stskeepsand see if that works07:47
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davidqiis there any way to re-install the mer sdk?07:50
zengweitottyok, thank you for your idea07:50
Stskeepsdavidqi: platform sdk or qt creator one?07:50
davidqiplatform sdk07:51
davidqimine is removed incorrectly07:51
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Stskeepsdavidqi: there's a section on removing it, i think07:51
Stskeepsin wiki07:51
davidqiI just umount it, but now when I following the platform sdk wiki to install again, and run "mic cr"07:52
davidqiI met strange problems07:52
Stskeepswhich problems?07:52
davidqiso I want to completely re-install my platform sdk07:52
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davidqiOSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/var/tmp/mic/cache/mer-core'07:53
davidqido you need me to paste it in pastie.?07:53
Stskeepsthere's instructions on how to safely remove07:53
Stskeepsand then reinstall after that with regular instructiosn07:53
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davidqiStskeeps: sorry, I just left a while. where is the wiki page of removing platform sdk?08:19
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Stskeepsdavidqi: same place as installation instructions08:37
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veskuhanybody else had an issue with Mer QtCreator that sometimes UI just freezes for minutes?08:50
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Sagelbt: is the .0.3 already ready? I haven't seen note in ML08:51
Stskeepsyes, it should be in cobs08:51
Stskeepsonly change was related to qmf i think08:52
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SageI'm building nemo against -next anyway now.08:56
Stskeepsok, good08:56
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niqtmorning all09:25
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davidqiStskeeps: I follow the wiki instructions to remove and install the platform sdk,09:38
davidqistill get the same error:09:38
davidqiwhen I run : sudo mic create fs mer-sdk-i486-vm.ks -o . --pkgmgr=yum --arch i486 --pack-to=mer-sdk-i486-vm-latest.tar.bz209:38
davidqiOSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/var/tmp/mic/cache/mer-core'09:39
Stskeepslbt: ^09:39
chriadam|busymardy: <-- added more documentation, a couple of unit tests (needs way more, that's still TODO for me).  I removed refCount + type, but left challenge/request for now (just not documented), just in case.09:44
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davidqiHi Syskeeps & lbt, here is my error description:
mardychriadam|busy: excellent!09:47
davidqiI feel my question is too junior, is there any other mer channel for newbie ^_^09:49
Stskeepsdavidqi: nah, it's just that i need lbt to look at it :)09:51
Stskeepsit's a reasonable problem to have09:51
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spiiroindavidqi: any chance that there is a broken link somewhere along '/var/tmp/mic/cache/mer-core'?09:57
spiiroinas in: ~ % mkdir /tmp/foo; ln -s does-not-exist /tmp/foo/bar; mkdir /tmp/foo/bar/baf10:01
spiiroinmkdir: cannot create directory `/tmp/foo/bar/baf': No such file or directory10:01
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zengweitottyhi Stskeeps.10:06
Stskeepszengweitotty: mm?10:06
zengweitottyI do as you say10:06
zengweitottybut when I chroot mer10:07
zengweitottyit comes out Illegal instruction10:07
zengweitottyand here is my log10:08
kulvefloat point issues?10:09
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davidqispiiroin: it is sure that only /var/tmp exists, and there is no 'mic' under /var/tmp10:09
Stskeepszengweitotty: can you grep VFP in your kernel configuration?10:09
Stskeepsin .config file10:10
zengweitottyis not set10:11
zengweitottyVFP is use for what?10:11
kulvevector float point calculations10:12
Stskeepszengweitotty: you need CONFIG_VFP=y10:13
zengweitottyI try this10:13
Stskeepss3c6410 has a VFP co-processor which enables much faster floating point operation10:13
sledgesgud morning!10:17
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davidqiStskeeps: do I need to re-paste my question?10:20
Stskeepsdavidqi: nop, lbt will notice it when he wakes up10:20
davidqiok, thanks10:20
davidqiStskeeps: when I follow instructions in,10:21
davidqiStskeeps: run : git clone
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davidqiStskeeps: met error: Cloning into 'mer-kernel-adaptation'...10:23
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davidqierror: SSL certificate problem, verify that the CA cert is OK. Details:10:23
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davidqierror:14090086:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_SERVER_CERTIFICATE:certificate verify failed while accessing
davidqifatal: HTTP request failed10:23
Stskeepsdavidqi: is this in mer platform sdk or outside?10:23
davidqiinside Mer platform sdk10:24
Stskeepscan you try to zypper up ca-certificates?10:24
Stskeepssudo zypper up ca-certificates10:24
davidqiis it unnecessary to solve the problem before solving the Mer Platform SDK installation problem10:24
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davidqimy another command terminal is now running "sudo zypper up"10:25
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lbtmorning all10:43
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lbtdavidqi: OK .. lessee10:48
lbtdavidqi: you have SDK installed?10:49
davidqiI thought10:49
lbthave you updated it recently?10:49
davidqino, I just removed and installed again10:49
lbtinside the sdk run : sdk-version10:49
davidqiget guide to run sudo zypper ref and sudo zypper up10:50
lbtdoes it tell you what version you have?10:50
davidqiI umount the SDK before rm -f /srv/mer/sdks/sdk10:50
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davidqiCore repos point at version: 0.20121115.110:51
davidqiTools repos point at version: 6.1.010:51
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lbtand you can enter the SDK10:52
lbtof course,10:52
lbtand ls -laF /var/tmp/mic10:52
davidqilrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   29 Dec 13 09:03 cache -> /parentroot/var/tmp/mic/cache10:53
lbtand does /parentroot/var/tmp/mic/cache exist?10:54
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davidqinot exist10:55
davidqionly /parentroot/var/tmp exists10:55
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lbtok so mkdir /parentroot/var/tmp/mic/cache10:55
davidqiand then?10:56
lbtmic should work10:56
davidqiyes, it now seems ok10:58
zengweitottyhi all, what is Mer localhost login  name and passwd10:59
Stskeepsyou may have to use mer/rootme10:59
Stskeepsand then su to root10:59
lbtdavidqi: OK, I updated the wiki to prevent other people hitting that - I think it relies on users having run mic in the host at some point11:00
zengweitottyhi, Stskeeps, thank you for your help11:01
zengweitottyI successfully run the Mer on S3C641011:01
davidqilbt: I think it relies on users having run mic in the host at some point? can you give more info?11:01
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Stskeepszengweitotty: congratulations11:01
zengweitottyand how Can I run GUI11:01
Stskeepszengweitotty: you can maybe try to install xorg with fbdev and qmlviewer11:01
lbtdavidqi: well, you had to manually make  /parentroot/var/tmp/mic/cache - mic would have done that11:02
zengweitottyStill I can not see the Qt logo on touchScreen11:02
lbtin the SDK /parentroot is a bind mount to 'outside' the SDK11:02
Stskeepszengweitotty: what .ks did you use?11:02
lbtin the SDK the symlink exists so mic assumed it was valid11:03
lbtand didn't mkdir the target dir ... have a think about it11:03
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zengweitottythis is what ks I use11:03
davidqiok, you mean, the /parentroot/var/tmp/mic is created by mic when mic run first time?11:06
Stskeepszengweitotty: check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log11:07
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zengweitottyStskeeps: My var/log have only  apt  faillog  lastlog  prelink  tallylog  zypp  zypper.log11:08
Stskeepszengweitotty: ok, rpm -qa | grep uxlaunch11:09
Stskeepsand rpm -qa | grep fbdev11:09
zengweitottyrmp not found11:09
Stskeepsmake sure you write rpm, i'm almost sure it's there :)11:10
zengweitottyI see it11:10
zengweitottyhow Can I do next11:11
Stskeepsps aux | grep setuid11:11
Stskeepsrpm -qa | grep setui11:11
zengweitottyps aux | grep setuid11:12
zengweitottyroot       389  2.0  0.2   2256   540 ttySAC0  S+   07:11   0:00 grep setuid11:12
zengweitotty[root@localhost bin]# rpm -qa | grep setui11:12
Stskeepscat /home/mer/.xsession-errors11:12
Stskeepsanyway, try this:11:13
StskeepsXorg -noreset &11:13
StskeepsDISPLAY=:0 qmlviewer11:13
zengweitotty[root@localhost bin]# DISPLAY:=0 qmlviewer11:14
zengweitotty-bash: DISPLAY:=0: command not found11:14
Stskeepsnot := 0 :)11:14
zengweitottyok, thank you very much11:15
Stskeepsdoes that show anything on the screen?11:15
zengweitottydoes Mer have main window??11:15
Stskeepsmer is just a core, you can build anything you want on it11:15
zengweitottyyes, I see the Qt logo11:15
zengweitottybut the resolution is not the properly one11:16
Stskeepsplease get output of 'journalctl'11:16
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zengweitottythe output can use for what?11:17
Stskeepsthe output of journalctl is the bootup log and what went wrong when booting11:18
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zengweitottyok. I get the bootup and then whar can I do to set resolution?11:19
Stskeepsignore the resolution for now, it's probably just not fullscreen11:19
lbtzengweitotty: I added you to the OBS - have fun :)11:19
zengweitottylbt: thank you very much. I very happy to join Mer11:20
lbtyou're welcome11:20
Stskeepszengweitotty: does it look better with DISPLAY=:0 qmlviewer -fullscreen -maximized -frameless11:21
zengweitottyI see it11:23
Stskeepsok, is the resolution better now?11:24
zengweitottyyes. is better11:24
Stskeepswhat do you hope to do with Mer, out of curiousity?11:24
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zengweitottyStskeeps: I very curiousity about Mer,and I want to know something to develop on Mer11:27
zengweitottyI want to develop some software on it11:28
zengweitottyStskeeps: how Can you know kernel problem is VFP?11:30
zengweitottyI want to take a not11:30
zengweitotty I want to take a note11:30
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lbtStskeeps: deliberate or problems in infra?11:33
Stskeepsmonster hiccuped11:33
zengweitottyStskeeps: how Can you know kernel problem is VFP?11:34
Stskeepszengweitotty: i have very good hunches11:34
Stskeepszengweitotty: illegal instruction usually means it can't run some instructions11:35
Stskeepssince readelf said it was ARMv6 just fine, it has to be something in ARMv6 + VFP that your kernel couldn't run11:35
StskeepsCONFIG_VFP was a very good guess as that's very in use11:36
zengweitottyOK,I take this in mind11:36
kulvezengweitotty: once you have "ported" linux to a hundreds of different devices (like stskeeps have), you will have good hunches as well ;)11:37
BostikStskeeps: for the record, what you did there is very close to stage magic level of surprise11:37
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veskuhlbt, did you have building rpm working in SDK with mb? For some reason failing for me.12:01
veskuhlbt, thats virtualbox sdk12:01
veskuhgetting: bash: mb: command not found12:01
lbtso there are 2 things12:02
lbtone, is "install mb" :)12:02
veskuhtarget/vm/host ?12:02
lbtsdk-utils package12:02
lbtit goes in the SDK VM12:03
lbtI'll ensure it's in the latest ks12:03
lbtalso, it needs mersdk user in the *target* /etc/passwd12:03
veskuhyep, was missing sdk-utils12:04
veskuhOk, so the bad ownership stuff comes from the second thing then.12:06
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Stskeepsmoo fk_lx12:09
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davidqithanks lbt & Stskeeps & Kulve, bye12:12
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Stskeepsmoo Venemo_N913:00
Venemo_N9moo Stskeeps13:00
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veskuhlbt, any workaround for
MerbotMer bug 646 in SDK "mb inside VirtualBox sdk cannot use zypper" [Normal,New]13:35
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sledgesahhhh they moved it out to advanced tab! :)13:46
sledges(wrong tab, should keep my terminal window where I do up+enter a bit more away from irssi :))13:46
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lbtveskuh: I'll look at it13:58
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kyyberiStskeeps (among others) in Finnish PC magazine :)
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sledgesI always remember their "display" of gadgets. I wonder to what extent sailfish was actually 'running' on them14:20
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sledgesor was it: "got a homescreen showing? ok don't touch it, bring it to slush" :)14:20
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Stskeepssledges: now that would be cheating wouldn't it15:14
sledgesyes, but if touchscreen driver is not picked-up/calibrated, it could go to slush and be waved at. Hence what I was questioning: are all/most peripherals supported ? ;)15:15
Stskeepswithout wantign to dive into details, the devices were showing an app grid and that's only possible to get to if touch works :)15:16
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sledgesok, touch works :))15:18
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veskuhlbt, where should the bugs agains QtCretor's Mer plugin be filed?15:25
veskuhlbt, creating package not ok if same source produces many packages15:26
lbtI'll check bz15:26
lbtand make a component there15:26
veskuhSo mer bugzilla and not qt's issue tracker?15:27
auri__veskuh: not yet.. we havent merged that into Qt Project15:28
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veskuhauri__, ok15:28
lbt and QtCreator Mer Plugin15:28
lbtalso, for that bug, it's not an early goal15:29
veskuhlbt, sure but filing bug now so that we remember15:29
veskuhlbt, I'm trying to compile few of our more advanced packages with it to check real world usability15:30
lbtgood stuff15:30
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veskuhlbt, yep, after ironing out few issues SDK will be brilliant :)15:31
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lbtSage: repomd-pattern-builder... it seems a bit broken16:03
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lbt--groupxml produces the <patterns> schema in a file called group.xml16:04
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Sagelbt: umm...17:13
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Sagelbt: hmmp... I didn't push the latest changes I had apprently17:13
Sagelbt: :)17:14
Sagelbt: I never used the groupxml so didn't notice that it was actually doing the wrong thing17:15
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lbtSage: ty, will pull17:30
Sagelbt: we should do more work on that and tag new version at some point17:30
lbtyeah - I'm using: xsltproc /mer/mer/devel/mer/project-core/xsl/comps.xsl group.xml > groups.xml17:31
Sagelbt: also starting to push the mer packages to where we are upstream17:31
lbtwhich actually seems to work17:31
lbtoh, not another one17:31
Sagelbt: well there isn't even first one for mer stuff that works.17:31
lbt'works' ?17:32
lbtare all also present17:33
Sage is your private lets not use that17:33
lbtagreed - but I am :/17:33
lbtI think mer-tools is good for Mer:Tools17:33
Sagewell, now you can move stuff there. then and are for obs and integration17:33
lbtMeeGoIntegration can be renamed too17:34
lbtMerproject is a bit of an odd one - we may want to repurpose that one17:34
Sageplease no capital letters :)17:35
lbtStskeeps: is CONFIG_LBDAF mandatory for non ext4 systems?17:36
Sagemeego-packages would be for: repomd-pattern-builder, meego-rpm-configs (renaming mer-rpm-configs?), meego-release (to mer-release?), etc. Stuff that is under mer-core in gitweb where we are upstream17:36
lbtright - our own development repos17:36
Sageall the obs etc stuff should be in separte place what ever you want to call them ;)17:37
Sagelbt: but you get the point I guess?17:37
lbtyes, makes sense17:38
lbtI don't have time to do gitlab at the moment17:38
Sagegithub works relatively well imo. Compared to for example ;)17:40
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shmerlHi. Are there mc and htop somewhere in mer-tools?17:41
SageStskeeps: lbt: anyway the mer release from my point of view seems ready to go.17:42
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SageStskeeps: did the qemu pass reviews btw?17:45
lbtI didn't do a release email for 0.3 either17:46
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Cosmo[PB]oh for the love of pickles18:19
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Stskeepslbt: i think we're good for a full release now18:21
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Stskeepswb shmerl18:33
lbtrelease running ... bbl8r18:33
shmerlThanks. Got disconnected.18:34
Stskeepsshmerl: how's your day been so far?18:34
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shmerlMostly working on my usual stuff :) Just was following if there are any updates for Nexus7 / Mer / PA progress.18:36
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situWhat's PA ?18:37
Stskeepsplasma active18:37
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shmerlsitu: Here is the latest update:
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shmerlbtw, I spoke to some VP8 folks, and they said that libvpx is software decoding (though it can use Neon if available).18:40
shmerlSo for anything to use hardware decoding - will require to use vendor provided APIs and such18:41
Stskeepsmakes sense18:41
Stskeepsthat's why you have stuff like gst :P18:41
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shmerlWell, gst uses the same libvpx underneath for VP8 (unless you provide some other backend)18:42
shmerlAlso they said that their own wiki is misleading.18:43
shmerlAnd for example tegra3 most likely doesn't have hardware decoding.18:44
shmerlSo to package libvpx I don't think you need any specific configuration for each target and it might work OK to package it generically in Mer for each arch.18:44
Stskeepsis there any good analysis on the legal situation revolving it?18:45
shmerlI doubt you can ever get a "good" analysis in a sense of 100% security from trolls.18:45
shmerlSo far there are no known patents asserted against it (if that's what you mean)18:46
shmerlGoogle has legal statement about the licensing (that's it's free)18:47
shmerlBut you never know when some troll can pop up. This applies basically to anything to be honest18:47
shmerlSituation with Opus codec is more interesting.18:48
shmerlIt's also free, but there are 2 claims of patents against it, though in this case the patents are known and according to opus devs they are not applicable.18:51
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shmerlHere is a review from the main Xiph dev (Chris "Monty" Montgomery) :
situHave you guys checked ?18:55
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shmerlWhile I don't have much respect for Apple for their patent aggression, this MobileMedia looks like a patent troll themselves. So I'm not really surprised.18:58
shmerlActually this one appears to be a puppet of MPEG-LA:
situProbably even more interesting :
shmerlThis stuff is around all the time unfortunately. That's why Debian even made a patents FAQ and guidelines:
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[ol]Stskeeps: Do you remember how you were building libtool for ARM architecture?19:47
Stskeepsthat one really should be easy19:47
Stskeepswhere are you at by now?19:47
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[ol]Stskeeps: That's easy, but later other packages built with this easy libtool have problems with rpath pointing to /opt/cross.19:49
Stskeepsthat rings a bell..19:49
[ol]Stskeeps: I was busy last week, but now when Christmas approaching it's quiet time, so I've made some progress.19:49
Stskeeps[ol]: was this built with sb2?19:50
[ol]Stskeeps: Yes, that rings the bell: configure from libtool dist takes libraries from compiler flags, and sb2 uses native cross-compiler.19:51
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Stskeepsnow i'm actually wondering if there's a problem in mer's libtool19:51
Stskeepslet me just check something19:52
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[ol]Stskeeps: There's no problem with libtool in SDK.19:53
Stskeepsyeah, but on arm targets19:53
[ol]You can just diff /usr/bin/libtool from SDK with the one for target.19:53
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[ol]There are not so much different lines.19:54
Stskeepsso, the reason why this rings a bell is that as part of the sb2 enablement for mer, i did comparisons between our old approach and our new approach (sb2 one)19:54
Stskeepsie, down to package contents19:54
Stskeepsare you talking about sys_lib_search_path_spec="/opt/cross/lib/gcc/armv7l-meego-linux-gnueabi/4.6.4 /opt/cross/armv7l-meego-linux-gnueabi/lib /lib /usr/lib "19:55
Stskeeps ?19:55
[ol]Stskeeps: Yes, exactly.19:55
Stskeepsokay, give me an example of where this ends up in a binary?19:56
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[ol]Stskeeps: I've found that when libtool builds C++ shared libraries, it runs g++ with "-Wl,-rpath -Wl,/opt/cross/x86_64-meego-linux-gnu/lib/../lib" options. I've encountered this with libdb_cxx from db4 and with libasprintf from gettext.19:59
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Stskeepsokay, that doesn't sound good to me20:04
Stskeepsand the rpath ends up in the actual binary?20:04
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[ol]Stskeeps: Yes. But it leads to error in "/usr/lib/rpm/check-rpaths" which aborts packaging.20:07
Stskeepsthat's weird, why doesn't that happen on arm..20:07
[ol]So far I'm trying to find configure args which make it to use specified compiler flags, not ones autodetected from compiler's verbose output. But if I fail, there's another way: to post-process libtool program after buld.20:09
Stskeeps[ol]: show me the sb2-init output for your target?20:10
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[ol]I did sb2-init several reboots ago, so I don't have its output. But I have the flags used in my sb2 config.20:11
[ol]SBOX_INIT_ORIG_ARGS="-d -L --sysroot=/ -C --sysroot=/ -m sdk-build -n -N -t / mer-core /opt/cross/bin/x86_64-meego-linux-gnu-gcc"20:11
Stskeepsthere goes my first hunch, hmm20:12
[ol]OK, so there's a difference how sb2 works for x86_64 target and arm target.20:12
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Stskeepsyeah, i'm not getting those rpath errors, but the libtool is definately talking about /opt/cross20:17
Stskeepsand i compile db4 too there20:18
[ol]I've found that some of my fixes to sb2 are wrong because I didn't understand correctly how it works. It appears that treating x86_64 binaries on i386 host as host-native was not a bug. It treats x86_64 as host-compatible target and needs no cputransparency emulation, but it uses a directory the binary is located on to find whether it's for host or for target. In case of target binary it tries to load installed in target root. So I've made it work by20:19
[ol]removing a couple of my patches, and built and installed libsb2 for x86_64 target.20:19
[ol]That's how I've made sb2 to build packages.20:19
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[ol]But I think that accelerated build (using cross-compiler build on host instead of target native compiler) is not much different in whether cputransparency is configured or not.20:21
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[ol]So far I've built and installed the following packages: m4, gdbm, perl (needs placed in /usr/lib to work), autoconf, automake, libtool (still has issues), db4 (db4-cxx has problems with rpath), zlib, pkgconfig, ncurses, texinfo, bison, expat.20:27
[ol]In this order.20:27
[ol]There were a couple of funny problems when building perl.20:28
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Stskeepsperl is always a bit bizarre20:28
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[ol]Perl build was failing because its Cwd module uses reverse path traversal until root to find current directory (or any file's absulute path). It didn't work for my homedir because emulated root didn't have "/home".20:29
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[ol]Creating an empty "home" dir inside target root is a working workaround.20:30
Stskeepsemulated root.. as in -R ?20:30
Stskeepssb2 -R  that is20:30
[ol]No, emulated root directory.,20:30
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Stskeepsokay, just checking you're not using the -install or sb2 -R mode for builds20:31
[ol]"/parentroot/srv/mer/targets/mer-core-x86_64-base" emulated by sb2 as "/".20:31
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[ol]Of course, no.20:31
Stskeepsgood, just checking :)20:31
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Stskeepsi've done that once ;)20:31
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[ol]Only for package install.20:31
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Stskeepsthat sounds like a fun issue (perl), thanks for finding it20:32
[ol]Also, there was another funny problem which can happen ofor now only foe x86_64 target (the one binary compatible with host).20:32
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[ol]When sb2 treats target binaries as host-compatible, it uses binary's path to determine whether it's host or target one. And it was thinking that anything in "/home" has exec policy "Tools", not "Target".20:36
[ol]Changing the order of entries of exec_policy_selection in "/usr/share/scratchbox2/modes/sdk-build/config.lua" file ("dir = sbox_user_home_dir ..." to come before "prefix = tools_root ...") solved this problem.20:37
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[ol]So, here's the question: What sb2-init "-t /" means?20:38
Stskeepsmeans that the tools is the / directory20:38
[ol]I mean, what "-t /" option means?20:38
Stskeepsi -think- you can remove it20:38
[ol]What tools?20:38
Stskeepsok, so20:38
Stskeepsit's possible to have for example debian as the host os, and then /mer is the tools where it gets the tools for cross compilation20:39
Stskeepsif it causes problems, try ditching the -t /20:39
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[ol]Stskeeps: OK, good. One problem less. After sb2-init without "-t /" target binaries in my homedir work with unpatched "/usr/share/scratchbox2/modes/sdk-build/config.lua" file.20:45
Stskeepsok, good20:45
[ol]Anyway, this option should not be recommended when using Mer SDK chroot.20:45
Stskeepslbt: ^20:46
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bunk[ol]: stupid question: You have read the "Scratchbox 2: Internals and Architecture" document?20:46
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[ol]bunk: Could you please send me a link?20:47
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Stskeeps , .pdf there20:48
bunkStskeeps: you beat me20:49
[ol]bunk: That's not a stupid question. I was trying to read sb2 manuals, but I was not aware that this document exists. And I presume some people on this channel don't know about it as well. At least, my questions about useful documentation were unanswered.20:49
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Stskeepsi thought i told you about it already ;)20:49
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[ol]Stskeeps: You've pointed me to some presentation slides.20:50
[ol]But they were too dpkg-oriented...20:50
Stskeepsah, my bad, sorry20:50
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Stskeepseither way, it's there20:51
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[ol]OK, I already have scratchbox2 git repo, so I've opened this file from there. Reading...20:51
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[ol]bunk: Thank you for helping me finally find sb2 documentation. :-)20:56
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[ol]Oh, yeah, I've forgot about another funny bug! I think, I should start collecting funny bugs and some day release a book about them. :-)21:00
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[ol]So, there's a patch for zlib which makes it use some accelerated CPU asembly language functions on popular architectures.21:02
[ol]This patch is applied to zlib when building an RPM.21:02
[ol]And as a result, RPM build fails on x86_64 with assembler complaining that some label is defined twice.21:03
[ol]But this label is defined just once in asm directive inside some function accelerated for SSE3.21:04
[ol]But it appears twice in .s file (if compiled with "-S" option).21:05
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[ol]But it apperrs just once in .s file after changing "-O2" compiler flag to "-O3".21:05
Stskeeps[ol]: yeah, we see bizarre issues like that on arm too on occasion21:06
Stskeepsi think it's a gcc or assembler bug21:06
Stskeepsjust disable the patch for bootstrap21:06
[ol]So, for some reason unknown to me, gcc optimises code and inlines a part of that function twice.21:06
[ol]Marking this function with __attribute__((__noinline__, __noclone__)) doesn't help.21:07
Stskeepshence the bug thing21:07
[ol]But the very beginning of the patch contains the line: "Generated by cloneing and merging v1.2.7 into it."21:08
[ol]So, here's the solution: using the new version of the same file from github and embedding it into the patch!21:09
[ol]It did the trick.21:09
Stskeepswow, i did this back in may?21:10
Stskeeps[ol]: contribution welcome to fix :P21:10
[ol]Yes, I have a bunch of changed in git, waiting to be posted on gerrit.21:11
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lbtback now ....  release done, kickstarts done, email sent, import to COBS underway22:19
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Cosmo[PB]night night sober people23:54
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