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| situ | Morning all | 05:46 |
| chriadam|busy | gmorning | 05:47 |
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| situ | chriadam|busy: What's up ? | 05:54 |
| chriadam|busy | writing unit tests and documentation. my two favourite tasks O_O | 05:55 |
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| davidqi | hi all, could you please tell how to get the .ks files? | 06:21 |
| davidqi | by mistake, I lost my *.ks files | 06:21 |
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| davidqi | hi all, I installed my Mer Platform SDK several weeks ago, | 06:51 |
| zengweitotty | can any one get the problem like this.booting kernel and almost mount the Mer filesystem.But suddently kernel panic | 06:51 |
| davidqi | but by mistake, I lost my *.ks files | 06:51 |
| davidqi | do you know where to download *.ks files | 06:51 |
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| kulve | davidqi: which .ks exactly? | 06:58 |
| davidqi | mer-sdk-i486-vm.ks, | 06:58 |
| davidqi | and so on | 06:58 |
| davidqi | I need mer-sdk-armv6l-****.ks especially | 06:59 |
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| davidqi | Usually, the files are in the /srv/mer/sdks/sdk/tmp/ path | 07:00 |
| davidqi | but that directory of mine is empty | 07:00 |
| kulve | you can create some kickstarts by: | 07:01 |
| kulve | sudo zypper install mer-kickstarter mer-kickstarter-configs | 07:01 |
| kulve | cd /usr/share/kickstarter-configs | 07:01 |
| kulve | mer-kickstarter -o /tmp/out-ks -c mer-reference-images/00reference.yaml | 07:01 |
| kulve | but I don't remember if that includes those SDK kickstarts.. | 07:02 |
| zengweitotty | hi, Kulve. | 07:05 |
| zengweitotty | I meet a problem. I transplanting Mer filesystem to S3C6410 board. My kernel can boot the filesystem that I create by myself.but I can not boot Mer fileSystem. kernel prints devtmpfs: mounted | 07:06 |
| zengweitotty | Freeing init memory: 168K | 07:06 |
| zengweitotty | Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! | 07:06 |
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| zengweitotty | Kulve, Could you help me about this problem? thank you very very much | 07:07 |
| chriadam|busy | yep | 07:08 |
| chriadam|busy | grargh. wrong window | 07:08 |
| kulve | unfortunately I can't remember why that error would be happening.. | 07:08 |
| zengweitotty | hi chriadam. could you make it more clearly | 07:09 |
| kulve | zengweitotty: did you create the mer filesystem yourself? | 07:09 |
| chriadam|busy | zengweitotty: sorry, I don't know what causes that either. I just accidentally pressed "up + enter" while focus was on my IRC client, instead of my terminal ;-) | 07:10 |
| chriadam|busy | and apparently "yep" was the last thing I said. | 07:10 |
| Stskeeps | zengweitotty: are you using mer armv6 port? | 07:10 |
| zengweitotty | hi Stskeeps. yes | 07:10 |
| zengweitotty | I think the problem is my kernel config | 07:11 |
| Stskeeps | zengweitotty: kernel version? | 07:11 |
| zengweitotty | My kernel version is linux-3.0.1 | 07:11 |
| kulve | zengweitotty: make sure your kernel config matches these: https://github.com/lbt/mer-kernel-check/blob/master/mer_verify_kernel_config#L128 | 07:12 |
| zengweitotty | can Mer do not match some other kernel version | 07:12 |
| kulve | zengweitotty: also make sure your rootfs really is ARMv6 and not ARMv7 | 07:12 |
| zengweitotty | yes ,I do | 07:13 |
| zengweitotty | Kulve,I checked my kernel config as the link says last night | 07:14 |
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| zengweitotty | but The problem still has | 07:14 |
| Stskeeps | zengweitotty: how do you make your image? mic cr -A armv6l ? | 07:14 |
| zengweitotty | yes | 07:14 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 07:15 |
| davidqi | thanks Kulve | 07:16 |
| davidqi | I have recreated them. | 07:16 |
| zengweitotty | Stskeeps,is there any another important things I might miss | 07:17 |
| Stskeeps | zengweitotty: does init=/bin/sh work? | 07:18 |
| Stskeeps | as command line | 07:18 |
| zengweitotty | set bootargs "noinitrd root=179:2 rw init=/bin/bash console=ttySAC0,115200" | 07:19 |
| zengweitotty | this is my command line args | 07:19 |
| Stskeeps | ok, and it doesn't work? | 07:19 |
| Stskeeps | can you readelf -A bin/bash on your root filesystem? | 07:20 |
| zengweitotty | set bootargs "noinitrd root=179:2 rw init=/sbin/init console=ttySAC0,115200" | 07:20 |
| Stskeeps | just to be sure | 07:20 |
| zengweitotty | command line above two is the same problem | 07:20 |
| zengweitotty | they all not work | 07:20 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 07:20 |
| Stskeeps | i need to see the readelf then | 07:21 |
| zengweitotty | Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! | 07:21 |
| zengweitotty | [<c0038b94>] (unwind_backtrace+0x0/0xf4) from [<c049bf5c>] (dump_stack+0x18/0x1c) | 07:21 |
| zengweitotty | [<c049bf5c>] (dump_stack+0x18/0x1c) from [<c049bfc4>] (panic+0x64/0x184) | 07:21 |
| zengweitotty | [<c049bfc4>] (panic+0x64/0x184) from [<c0051e3c>] (do_exit+0x690/0x6c4) | 07:21 |
| zengweitotty | [<c0051e3c>] (do_exit+0x690/0x6c4) from [<c00520d4>] (do_group_exit+0x48/0xb8) | 07:21 |
| zengweitotty | [<c00520d4>] (do_group_exit+0x48/0xb8) from [<c0060548>] (get_signal_to_deliver+0x1bc/0x3d0) | 07:21 |
| zengweitotty | [<c0060548>] (get_signal_to_deliver+0x1bc/0x3d0) from [<c0035568>] (do_signal+0x80/0x5a4) | 07:21 |
| zengweitotty | [<c0035568>] (do_signal+0x80/0x5a4) from [<c0035f8c>] (do_notify_resume+0x64/0x70) | 07:21 |
| zengweitotty | [<c0035f8c>] (do_notify_resume+0x64/0x70) from [<c0032b98>] (work_pending+0x24/0x28) | 07:21 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, that's expected | 07:21 |
| zengweitotty | above is the kernel panic oops | 07:22 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: fairly normal as a kernel panics | 07:22 |
| zengweitotty | hmm, this problem drive me up the wall | 07:23 |
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| Stskeeps | yes, please tell me what 'readelf -A bin/bash' says on your root filesystem | 07:24 |
| zengweitotty | Library list section '.gnu.liblist' contains 5 entries: | 07:26 |
| zengweitotty | Library Time Stamp Checksum Version Flags | 07:26 |
| zengweitotty | 0: libtinfo.so.5 2012-11-28T14:18:58 0x04394b43 0 0 | 07:26 |
| zengweitotty | 1: libdl.so.2 2012-11-28T14:18:55 0x35a89ba3 0 0 | 07:26 |
| zengweitotty | 2: libgcc_s.so.1 2012-11-28T14:18:55 0xacaa8549 0 0 | 07:26 |
| zengweitotty | 3: libc.so.6 2012-11-28T14:18:55 0x7bf445bd 0 0 | 07:26 |
| zengweitotty | 4: /lib/ld-linux.so.3 2012-11-28T14:18:55 0xfe6b8c3f 0 0 | 07:26 |
| zengweitotty | Attribute Section: aeabi | 07:26 |
| zengweitotty | File Attributes | 07:26 |
| zengweitotty | Tag_CPU_name: "6" | 07:26 |
| zengweitotty | Tag_CPU_arch: v6 | 07:26 |
| zengweitotty | Tag_ARM_ISA_use: Yes | 07:26 |
| zengweitotty | Tag_THUMB_ISA_use: Thumb-1 | 07:26 |
| zengweitotty | Tag_VFP_arch: VFPv2 | 07:26 |
| zengweitotty | Tag_ABI_PCS_wchar_t: 4 | 07:26 |
| zengweitotty | Tag_ABI_FP_denormal: Needed | 07:26 |
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| Stskeeps | zengweitotty: ok, please get acquainted with http://pastie.org - you paste your content there and then provide us the url of the pasted content | 07:26 |
| zengweitotty | http://pastie.org/5519287 | 07:28 |
| zengweitotty | could you see it? | 07:28 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, that looks ok | 07:28 |
| zengweitotty | Do you mean my Mer filesystem is ok? | 07:29 |
| Stskeeps | can you show me the whole kernel bootup log? pastie that is | 07:30 |
| zengweitotty | ok | 07:30 |
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| zengweitotty | http://pastie.org/5519299 | 07:31 |
| zengweitotty | this is mostly my kernel log | 07:32 |
| Stskeeps | can you show me the top too? just want to see what it says about kernel command line | 07:32 |
| zengweitotty | ok, wait for a minute | 07:34 |
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| zengweitotty | hi, Stskeeps.My logs lost.I have to re build my kernel and get the logs | 07:40 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 07:41 |
| zengweitotty | I will get the logs as soon as possbile | 07:41 |
| zengweitotty | thank you very much | 07:41 |
| Stskeeps | alternatively, try to boot up a different system | 07:41 |
| Stskeeps | chroot into the mer system and test if binaries work there | 07:41 |
| zengweitotty | my kernel can boot filesystem I create by myself | 07:43 |
| zengweitotty | but it can not boot Mer | 07:43 |
| Stskeeps | ok, it'd be good to check where something goes wrong | 07:43 |
| zengweitotty | I do not how to check | 07:45 |
| Stskeeps | well, imagine that you have a directory in /mer on your file system, that contains the mer file system | 07:46 |
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| Stskeeps | and then your working file system is / | 07:47 |
| Stskeeps | so you boot up your working file system | 07:47 |
| Stskeeps | and chroot /mer | 07:47 |
| Stskeeps | and see if that works | 07:47 |
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| davidqi | is there any way to re-install the mer sdk? | 07:50 |
| zengweitotty | ok, thank you for your idea | 07:50 |
| Stskeeps | davidqi: platform sdk or qt creator one? | 07:50 |
| davidqi | platform sdk | 07:51 |
| davidqi | mine is removed incorrectly | 07:51 |
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| Stskeeps | davidqi: there's a section on removing it, i think | 07:51 |
| Stskeeps | in wiki | 07:51 |
| davidqi | I just umount it, but now when I following the platform sdk wiki to install again, and run "mic cr" | 07:52 |
| davidqi | I met strange problems | 07:52 |
| Stskeeps | which problems? | 07:52 |
| davidqi | so I want to completely re-install my platform sdk | 07:52 |
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| davidqi | OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/var/tmp/mic/cache/mer-core' | 07:53 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 07:53 |
| davidqi | do you need me to paste it in pastie.? | 07:53 |
| Stskeeps | there's instructions on how to safely remove | 07:53 |
| Stskeeps | and then reinstall after that with regular instructiosn | 07:53 |
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| davidqi | Stskeeps: sorry, I just left a while. where is the wiki page of removing platform sdk? | 08:19 |
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| Stskeeps | davidqi: same place as installation instructions | 08:37 |
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| veskuh | anybody else had an issue with Mer QtCreator that sometimes UI just freezes for minutes? | 08:50 |
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| Sage | lbt: is the .0.3 already ready? I haven't seen note in ML | 08:51 |
| Stskeeps | yes, it should be in cobs | 08:51 |
| Stskeeps | only change was related to qmf i think | 08:52 |
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| Sage | I'm building nemo against -next anyway now. | 08:56 |
| Stskeeps | ok, good | 08:56 |
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| niqt | morning all | 09:25 |
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| davidqi | Stskeeps: I follow the wiki instructions to remove and install the platform sdk, | 09:38 |
| davidqi | still get the same error: | 09:38 |
| davidqi | when I run : sudo mic create fs mer-sdk-i486-vm.ks -o . --pkgmgr=yum --arch i486 --pack-to=mer-sdk-i486-vm-latest.tar.bz2 | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 09:38 |
| davidqi | OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/var/tmp/mic/cache/mer-core' | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: ^ | 09:39 |
| chriadam|busy | mardy: https://github.com/nemomobile/nemo-qml-plugins/pull/42 <-- added more documentation, a couple of unit tests (needs way more, that's still TODO for me). I removed refCount + type, but left challenge/request for now (just not documented), just in case. | 09:44 |
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| davidqi | Hi Syskeeps & lbt, here is my error description: http://pastie.org/5519601 | 09:46 |
| mardy | chriadam|busy: excellent! | 09:47 |
| davidqi | I feel my question is too junior, is there any other mer channel for newbie ^_^ | 09:49 |
| Stskeeps | davidqi: nah, it's just that i need lbt to look at it :) | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | it's a reasonable problem to have | 09:51 |
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| spiiroin | davidqi: any chance that there is a broken link somewhere along '/var/tmp/mic/cache/mer-core'? | 09:57 |
| spiiroin | as in: ~ % mkdir /tmp/foo; ln -s does-not-exist /tmp/foo/bar; mkdir /tmp/foo/bar/baf | 10:01 |
| spiiroin | mkdir: cannot create directory `/tmp/foo/bar/baf': No such file or directory | 10:01 |
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| zengweitotty | :Stskeeps | 10:06 |
| zengweitotty | hi Stskeeps. | 10:06 |
| Stskeeps | zengweitotty: mm? | 10:06 |
| zengweitotty | I do as you say | 10:06 |
| zengweitotty | but when I chroot mer | 10:07 |
| zengweitotty | it comes out Illegal instruction | 10:07 |
| zengweitotty | http://pastie.org/5519685 | 10:08 |
| zengweitotty | and here is my log | 10:08 |
| kulve | float point issues? | 10:09 |
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| davidqi | spiiroin: it is sure that only /var/tmp exists, and there is no 'mic' under /var/tmp | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | zengweitotty: can you grep VFP in your kernel configuration? | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | in .config file | 10:10 |
| zengweitotty | is not set | 10:11 |
| zengweitotty | VFP is use for what? | 10:11 |
| kulve | vector float point calculations | 10:12 |
| Stskeeps | zengweitotty: you need CONFIG_VFP=y | 10:13 |
| zengweitotty | ok | 10:13 |
| zengweitotty | I try this | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | s3c6410 has a VFP co-processor which enables much faster floating point operation | 10:13 |
| sledges | gud morning! | 10:17 |
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| davidqi | Stskeeps: do I need to re-paste my question? | 10:20 |
| Stskeeps | davidqi: nop, lbt will notice it when he wakes up | 10:20 |
| davidqi | ok, thanks | 10:20 |
| davidqi | Stskeeps: when I follow instructions in https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation_Guide/Step_by_step, | 10:21 |
| davidqi | Stskeeps: run : git clone https://github.com/lbt/mer-kernel-adaptation.git | 10:22 |
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| davidqi | Stskeeps: met error: Cloning into 'mer-kernel-adaptation'... | 10:23 |
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| davidqi | error: SSL certificate problem, verify that the CA cert is OK. Details: | 10:23 |
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| davidqi | error:14090086:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_SERVER_CERTIFICATE:certificate verify failed while accessing https://github.com/lbt/mer-kernel-adaptation.git/info/refs | 10:23 |
| davidqi | fatal: HTTP request failed | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | davidqi: is this in mer platform sdk or outside? | 10:23 |
| davidqi | inside Mer platform sdk | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | hmmmm | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | can you try to zypper up ca-certificates? | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | sudo zypper up ca-certificates | 10:24 |
| davidqi | is it unnecessary to solve the problem before solving the Mer Platform SDK installation problem | 10:24 |
| davidqi | ? | 10:24 |
| davidqi | sure | 10:25 |
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| davidqi | my another command terminal is now running "sudo zypper up" | 10:25 |
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| lbt | morning all | 10:43 |
| * lbt checks backlog | 10:44 | |
| davidqi | ^_^ | 10:45 |
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| lbt | davidqi: OK .. lessee | 10:48 |
| lbt | davidqi: you have SDK installed? | 10:49 |
| davidqi | yes | 10:49 |
| davidqi | I thought | 10:49 |
| lbt | have you updated it recently? | 10:49 |
| davidqi | no, I just removed and installed again | 10:49 |
| lbt | inside the sdk run : sdk-version | 10:49 |
| davidqi | yes | 10:49 |
| davidqi | get guide to run sudo zypper ref and sudo zypper up | 10:50 |
| lbt | does it tell you what version you have? | 10:50 |
| davidqi | I umount the SDK before rm -f /srv/mer/sdks/sdk | 10:50 |
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| davidqi | Core repos point at version: 0.20121115.1 | 10:51 |
| davidqi | Tools repos point at version: 6.1.0 | 10:51 |
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| lbt | OK | 10:52 |
| lbt | and you can enter the SDK | 10:52 |
| lbt | of course, | 10:52 |
| lbt | and ls -laF /var/tmp/mic | 10:52 |
| davidqi | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 29 Dec 13 09:03 cache -> /parentroot/var/tmp/mic/cache | 10:53 |
| lbt | and does /parentroot/var/tmp/mic/cache exist? | 10:54 |
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| davidqi | not exist | 10:55 |
| davidqi | only /parentroot/var/tmp exists | 10:55 |
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| lbt | ok so mkdir /parentroot/var/tmp/mic/cache | 10:55 |
| davidqi | yes | 10:56 |
| davidqi | and then? | 10:56 |
| lbt | mic should work | 10:56 |
| davidqi | yes, it now seems ok | 10:58 |
| zengweitotty | hi all, what is Mer localhost login name and passwd | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | root/rootme | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | usually | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | you may have to use mer/rootme | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | and then su to root | 10:59 |
| lbt | davidqi: OK, I updated the wiki to prevent other people hitting that - I think it relies on users having run mic in the host at some point | 11:00 |
| zengweitotty | hi, Stskeeps, thank you for your help | 11:01 |
| zengweitotty | I successfully run the Mer on S3C6410 | 11:01 |
| davidqi | lbt: I think it relies on users having run mic in the host at some point? can you give more info? | 11:01 |
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| Stskeeps | zengweitotty: congratulations | 11:01 |
| zengweitotty | and how Can I run GUI | 11:01 |
| Stskeeps | zengweitotty: you can maybe try to install xorg with fbdev and qmlviewer | 11:01 |
| lbt | davidqi: well, you had to manually make /parentroot/var/tmp/mic/cache - mic would have done that | 11:02 |
| zengweitotty | Still I can not see the Qt logo on touchScreen | 11:02 |
| lbt | in the SDK /parentroot is a bind mount to 'outside' the SDK | 11:02 |
| Stskeeps | zengweitotty: what .ks did you use? | 11:02 |
| davidqi | yes? | 11:02 |
| lbt | in the SDK the symlink exists so mic assumed it was valid | 11:03 |
| lbt | and didn't mkdir the target dir ... have a think about it | 11:03 |
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| zengweitotty | mer-core-armv6l-xorg-basic-qmlviewer.ks | 11:03 |
| zengweitotty | this is what ks I use | 11:03 |
| davidqi | ok, you mean, the /parentroot/var/tmp/mic is created by mic when mic run first time? | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | zengweitotty: check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log | 11:07 |
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| zengweitotty | Stskeeps: My var/log have only apt faillog lastlog prelink tallylog zypp zypper.log | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | zengweitotty: ok, rpm -qa | grep uxlaunch | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | and rpm -qa | grep fbdev | 11:09 |
| zengweitotty | rmp not found | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | curious | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | make sure you write rpm, i'm almost sure it's there :) | 11:10 |
| zengweitotty | sorry | 11:10 |
| zengweitotty | I see it | 11:10 |
| zengweitotty | uxlaunch-0.64-1.15.armv6 | 11:10 |
| zengweitotty | xorg-x11-drv-fbdev-0.4.3-1.2.armv6l | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 11:11 |
| zengweitotty | how Can I do next | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | ps aux | grep setuid | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | err.. | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | rpm -qa | grep setui | 11:11 |
| zengweitotty | ps aux | grep setuid | 11:12 |
| zengweitotty | root 389 2.0 0.2 2256 540 ttySAC0 S+ 07:11 0:00 grep setuid | 11:12 |
| zengweitotty | [root@localhost bin]# rpm -qa | grep setui | 11:12 |
| zengweitotty | xorg-x11-server-Xorg-setuid-1.13.0-1.9.armv6l | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | cat /home/mer/.xsession-errors | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | anyway, try this: | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | Xorg -noreset & | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | DISPLAY=:0 qmlviewer | 11:13 |
| zengweitotty | [root@localhost bin]# DISPLAY:=0 qmlviewer | 11:14 |
| zengweitotty | -bash: DISPLAY:=0: command not found | 11:14 |
| Stskeeps | DISPLAY=:0 | 11:14 |
| Stskeeps | not := 0 :) | 11:14 |
| zengweitotty | ok, thank you very much | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | does that show anything on the screen? | 11:15 |
| zengweitotty | does Mer have main window?? | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | mer is just a core, you can build anything you want on it | 11:15 |
| zengweitotty | yes, I see the Qt logo | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 11:16 |
| zengweitotty | but the resolution is not the properly one | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | please get output of 'journalctl' | 11:16 |
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| zengweitotty | the output can use for what? | 11:17 |
| Stskeeps | the output of journalctl is the bootup log and what went wrong when booting | 11:18 |
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| zengweitotty | ok. I get the bootup and then whar can I do to set resolution? | 11:19 |
| Stskeeps | ignore the resolution for now, it's probably just not fullscreen | 11:19 |
| lbt | zengweitotty: I added you to the OBS - have fun :) | 11:19 |
| zengweitotty | lbt: thank you very much. I very happy to join Mer | 11:20 |
| lbt | you're welcome | 11:20 |
| Stskeeps | zengweitotty: does it look better with DISPLAY=:0 qmlviewer -fullscreen -maximized -frameless | 11:21 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 11:21 |
| zengweitotty | yes | 11:23 |
| zengweitotty | I see it | 11:23 |
| Stskeeps | ok, is the resolution better now? | 11:24 |
| zengweitotty | yes. is better | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | what do you hope to do with Mer, out of curiousity? | 11:24 |
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| zengweitotty | Stskeeps: I very curiousity about Mer,and I want to know something to develop on Mer | 11:27 |
| zengweitotty | I want to develop some software on it | 11:28 |
| zengweitotty | Stskeeps: how Can you know kernel problem is VFP? | 11:30 |
| zengweitotty | I want to take a not | 11:30 |
| zengweitotty | I want to take a note | 11:30 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: deliberate or problems in infra? | 11:33 |
| Stskeeps | problems | 11:33 |
| Stskeeps | monster hiccuped | 11:33 |
| zengweitotty | Stskeeps: how Can you know kernel problem is VFP? | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | zengweitotty: i have very good hunches | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | zengweitotty: illegal instruction usually means it can't run some instructions | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | since readelf said it was ARMv6 just fine, it has to be something in ARMv6 + VFP that your kernel couldn't run | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | CONFIG_VFP was a very good guess as that's very in use | 11:36 |
| zengweitotty | OK,I take this in mind | 11:36 |
| kulve | zengweitotty: once you have "ported" linux to a hundreds of different devices (like stskeeps have), you will have good hunches as well ;) | 11:37 |
| Bostik | Stskeeps: for the record, what you did there is very close to stage magic level of surprise | 11:37 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe | 11:38 |
| zengweitotty | :) | 11:38 |
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| veskuh | lbt, did you have building rpm working in SDK with mb? For some reason failing for me. | 12:01 |
| veskuh | lbt, thats virtualbox sdk | 12:01 |
| lbt | ah | 12:01 |
| veskuh | getting: bash: mb: command not found | 12:01 |
| lbt | oh | 12:01 |
| lbt | so there are 2 things | 12:02 |
| lbt | one, is "install mb" :) | 12:02 |
| veskuh | target/vm/host ? | 12:02 |
| lbt | sdk-utils package | 12:02 |
| lbt | it goes in the SDK VM | 12:03 |
| lbt | I'll ensure it's in the latest ks | 12:03 |
| lbt | also, it needs mersdk user in the *target* /etc/passwd | 12:03 |
| veskuh | yep, was missing sdk-utils | 12:04 |
| veskuh | Ok, so the bad ownership stuff comes from the second thing then. | 12:06 |
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| Stskeeps | moo fk_lx | 12:09 |
| fk_lx | hi | 12:09 |
| fk_lx | :-) | 12:09 |
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| davidqi | thanks lbt & Stskeeps & Kulve, bye | 12:12 |
| lbt | o/ | 12:12 |
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| Stskeeps | moo Venemo_N9 | 13:00 |
| Venemo_N9 | moo Stskeeps | 13:00 |
| Venemo_N9 | :) | 13:00 |
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| veskuh | lbt, any workaround for https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=646 | 13:35 |
| Merbot | Mer bug 646 in SDK "mb inside VirtualBox sdk cannot use zypper" [Normal,New] | 13:35 |
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| sledges | ahhhh they moved it out to advanced tab! :) | 13:46 |
| sledges | (wrong tab, should keep my terminal window where I do up+enter a bit more away from irssi :)) | 13:46 |
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| lbt | veskuh: I'll look at it | 13:58 |
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| kyyberi | Stskeeps (among others) in Finnish PC magazine :) http://postimage.org/image/whauckj2t/ | 14:01 |
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| sledges | I always remember their "display" of gadgets. I wonder to what extent sailfish was actually 'running'Â on them | 14:20 |
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| sledges | or was it: "got a homescreen showing? ok don't touch it, bring it to slush"Â :) | 14:20 |
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| Stskeeps | sledges: now that would be cheating wouldn't it | 15:14 |
| sledges | yes, but if touchscreen driver is not picked-up/calibrated, it could go to slush and be waved at. Hence what I was questioning: are all/most peripherals supported ? ;) | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | without wantign to dive into details, the devices were showing an app grid and that's only possible to get to if touch works :) | 15:16 |
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| sledges | ok, touch works :)) | 15:18 |
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| veskuh | lbt, where should the bugs agains QtCretor's Mer plugin be filed? | 15:25 |
| veskuh | lbt, creating package not ok if same source produces many packages | 15:26 |
| lbt | I'll check bz | 15:26 |
| lbt | and make a component there | 15:26 |
| veskuh | So mer bugzilla and not qt's issue tracker? | 15:27 |
| auri__ | veskuh: not yet.. we havent merged that into Qt Project | 15:28 |
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| veskuh | auri__, ok | 15:28 |
| lbt | https://bugs.merproject.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Mer%20Integration%20Tools%20%28MINT%29 and QtCreator Mer Plugin | 15:28 |
| lbt | also, for that bug, it's not an early goal | 15:29 |
| veskuh | lbt, sure but filing bug now so that we remember | 15:29 |
| lbt | OK | 15:29 |
| veskuh | lbt, I'm trying to compile few of our more advanced packages with it to check real world usability | 15:30 |
| lbt | good stuff | 15:30 |
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| veskuh | lbt, yep, after ironing out few issues SDK will be brilliant :) | 15:31 |
| lbt | :D | 15:31 |
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| lbt | Sage: repomd-pattern-builder... it seems a bit broken | 16:03 |
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| lbt | --groupxml produces the <patterns> schema in a file called group.xml | 16:04 |
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| Sage | lbt: umm... | 17:13 |
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| Sage | lbt: hmmp... I didn't push the latest changes I had apprently | 17:13 |
| Sage | lbt: http://gitorious.org/meego-developer-edition-for-n900/repomd-pattern-builder/commit/22d9590a70679007131ec0d68c0689e75b8b4ae5 :) | 17:14 |
| Sage | lbt: I never used the groupxml so didn't notice that it was actually doing the wrong thing | 17:15 |
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| lbt | Sage: ty, will pull | 17:30 |
| Sage | lbt: we should do more work on that and tag new version at some point | 17:30 |
| lbt | yeah - I'm using: xsltproc /mer/mer/devel/mer/project-core/xsl/comps.xsl group.xml > groups.xml | 17:31 |
| Sage | lbt: also starting to push the mer packages to https://github.com/mer-packages where we are upstream | 17:31 |
| lbt | which actually seems to work | 17:31 |
| lbt | oh, not another one | 17:31 |
| Sage | lbt: well there isn't even first one for mer stuff that works. | 17:31 |
| lbt | 'works' ? | 17:32 |
| lbt | https://github.com/lbt/ | 17:32 |
| lbt | https://github.com/MeeGoIntegration | 17:32 |
| lbt | https://github.com/Merproject | 17:32 |
| lbt | https://github.com/mer-tools | 17:32 |
| lbt | are all also present | 17:33 |
| Sage | https://github.com/lbt/ is your private lets not use that | 17:33 |
| lbt | agreed - but I am :/ | 17:33 |
| lbt | I think mer-tools is good for Mer:Tools | 17:33 |
| Sage | well, now you can move stuff there. then https://github.com/MeeGoIntegration and https://github.com/Merproject are for obs and integration | 17:33 |
| lbt | MeeGoIntegration can be renamed too | 17:34 |
| lbt | Merproject is a bit of an odd one - we may want to repurpose that one | 17:34 |
| Sage | please no capital letters :) | 17:35 |
| lbt | ok | 17:35 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: is CONFIG_LBDAF mandatory for non ext4 systems? | 17:36 |
| Sage | meego-packages would be for: repomd-pattern-builder, meego-rpm-configs (renaming mer-rpm-configs?), meego-release (to mer-release?), etc. Stuff that is under mer-core in gitweb where we are upstream | 17:36 |
| lbt | right - our own development repos | 17:36 |
| Sage | all the obs etc stuff should be in separte place what ever you want to call them ;) | 17:37 |
| Sage | lbt: but you get the point I guess? | 17:37 |
| lbt | yes, makes sense | 17:38 |
| lbt | I don't have time to do gitlab at the moment | 17:38 |
| Sage | github works relatively well imo. Compared to gitorious.org for example ;) | 17:40 |
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| shmerl | Hi. Are there mc and htop somewhere in mer-tools? | 17:41 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: lbt: anyway the mer release from my point of view seems ready to go. | 17:42 |
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| Stskeeps | ok | 17:43 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: did the qemu pass reviews btw? | 17:45 |
| lbt | I didn't do a release email for 0.3 either | 17:46 |
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| Cosmo[PB] | oh for the love of pickles | 18:19 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: i think we're good for a full release now | 18:21 |
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| Stskeeps | wb shmerl | 18:33 |
| lbt | release running ... bbl8r | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | k | 18:33 |
| shmerl | Thanks. Got disconnected. | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | shmerl: how's your day been so far? | 18:34 |
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| shmerl | Mostly working on my usual stuff :) Just was following if there are any updates for Nexus7 / Mer / PA progress. | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 18:36 |
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| situ | What's PA ? | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | plasma active | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | KDE's | 18:38 |
| situ | Allrigh | 18:38 |
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| shmerl | situ: Here is the latest update: http://ruedigergad.com/2012/12/09/nexus-7-easily-flashaccess-entire-userdata-partition/ | 18:39 |
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| shmerl | btw, I spoke to some VP8 folks, and they said that libvpx is software decoding (though it can use Neon if available). | 18:40 |
| shmerl | So for anything to use hardware decoding - will require to use vendor provided APIs and such | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | makes sense | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | that's why you have stuff like gst :P | 18:41 |
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| shmerl | Well, gst uses the same libvpx underneath for VP8 (unless you provide some other backend) | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | sure | 18:42 |
| shmerl | Also they said that their own wiki is misleading. | 18:43 |
| shmerl | And for example tegra3 most likely doesn't have hardware decoding. | 18:44 |
| shmerl | So to package libvpx I don't think you need any specific configuration for each target and it might work OK to package it generically in Mer for each arch. | 18:44 |
| Stskeeps | is there any good analysis on the legal situation revolving it? | 18:45 |
| shmerl | I doubt you can ever get a "good" analysis in a sense of 100% security from trolls. | 18:45 |
| shmerl | So far there are no known patents asserted against it (if that's what you mean) | 18:46 |
| shmerl | Google has legal statement about the licensing (that's it's free) | 18:47 |
| shmerl | But you never know when some troll can pop up. This applies basically to anything to be honest | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | sure | 18:47 |
| shmerl | Situation with Opus codec is more interesting. | 18:48 |
| shmerl | It's also free, but there are 2 claims of patents against it, though in this case the patents are known and according to opus devs they are not applicable. | 18:51 |
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| shmerl | https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1520/ | 18:51 |
| shmerl | https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1712/ | 18:51 |
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| shmerl | Here is a review from the main Xiph dev (Chris "Monty" Montgomery) : https://hacks.mozilla.org/2012/09/its-opus-it-rocks-and-now-its-an-audio-codec-standard/comment-page-1/#comment-1798071 | 18:53 |
| situ | Have you guys checked http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/tech/hardware/apple-iphone-violated-three-patents-damages-unclear-u-s-jury/articleshow/17604481.cms ? | 18:55 |
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| shmerl | While I don't have much respect for Apple for their patent aggression, this MobileMedia looks like a patent troll themselves. So I'm not really surprised. | 18:58 |
| shmerl | Actually this one appears to be a puppet of MPEG-LA: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100430/0232599255.shtml | 19:00 |
| situ | Probably even more interesting : http://bgr.com/2012/09/05/iphone-5-design-copied-patented-goophone-i5/ | 19:00 |
| shmerl | This stuff is around all the time unfortunately. That's why Debian even made a patents FAQ and guidelines: http://www.debian.org/reports/patent-faq | 19:01 |
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| [ol] | Stskeeps: Do you remember how you were building libtool for ARM architecture? | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | that one really should be easy | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | where are you at by now? | 19:47 |
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| [ol] | Stskeeps: That's easy, but later other packages built with this easy libtool have problems with rpath pointing to /opt/cross. | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | that rings a bell.. | 19:49 |
| [ol] | Stskeeps: I was busy last week, but now when Christmas approaching it's quiet time, so I've made some progress. | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | [ol]: was this built with sb2? | 19:50 |
| [ol] | Stskeeps: Yes, that rings the bell: configure from libtool dist takes libraries from compiler flags, and sb2 uses native cross-compiler. | 19:51 |
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| Stskeeps | now i'm actually wondering if there's a problem in mer's libtool | 19:51 |
| Stskeeps | let me just check something | 19:52 |
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| [ol] | Stskeeps: There's no problem with libtool in SDK. | 19:53 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but on arm targets | 19:53 |
| [ol] | You can just diff /usr/bin/libtool from SDK with the one for target. | 19:53 |
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| [ol] | There are not so much different lines. | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | so, the reason why this rings a bell is that as part of the sb2 enablement for mer, i did comparisons between our old approach and our new approach (sb2 one) | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | ie, down to package contents | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | are you talking about sys_lib_search_path_spec="/opt/cross/lib/gcc/armv7l-meego-linux-gnueabi/4.6.4 /opt/cross/armv7l-meego-linux-gnueabi/lib /lib /usr/lib " | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 19:55 |
| [ol] | Stskeeps: Yes, exactly. | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | okay, give me an example of where this ends up in a binary? | 19:56 |
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| [ol] | Stskeeps: I've found that when libtool builds C++ shared libraries, it runs g++ with "-Wl,-rpath -Wl,/opt/cross/x86_64-meego-linux-gnu/lib/../lib" options. I've encountered this with libdb_cxx from db4 and with libasprintf from gettext. | 19:59 |
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| Stskeeps | okay, that doesn't sound good to me | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | and the rpath ends up in the actual binary? | 20:04 |
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| [ol] | Stskeeps: Yes. But it leads to error in "/usr/lib/rpm/check-rpaths" which aborts packaging. | 20:07 |
| Stskeeps | that's weird, why doesn't that happen on arm.. | 20:07 |
| [ol] | So far I'm trying to find configure args which make it to use specified compiler flags, not ones autodetected from compiler's verbose output. But if I fail, there's another way: to post-process libtool program after buld. | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | [ol]: show me the sb2-init output for your target? | 20:10 |
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| [ol] | I did sb2-init several reboots ago, so I don't have its output. But I have the flags used in my sb2 config. | 20:11 |
| [ol] | SBOX_INIT_ORIG_ARGS="-d -L --sysroot=/ -C --sysroot=/ -m sdk-build -n -N -t / mer-core /opt/cross/bin/x86_64-meego-linux-gnu-gcc" | 20:11 |
| Stskeeps | okay | 20:11 |
| Stskeeps | there goes my first hunch, hmm | 20:12 |
| [ol] | OK, so there's a difference how sb2 works for x86_64 target and arm target. | 20:12 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, i'm not getting those rpath errors, but the libtool is definately talking about /opt/cross | 20:17 |
| Stskeeps | and i compile db4 too there | 20:18 |
| [ol] | I've found that some of my fixes to sb2 are wrong because I didn't understand correctly how it works. It appears that treating x86_64 binaries on i386 host as host-native was not a bug. It treats x86_64 as host-compatible target and needs no cputransparency emulation, but it uses a directory the binary is located on to find whether it's for host or for target. In case of target binary it tries to load libsb2.so.1 installed in target root. So I've made it work by | 20:19 |
| [ol] | removing a couple of my patches, and built and installed libsb2 for x86_64 target. | 20:19 |
| [ol] | That's how I've made sb2 to build packages. | 20:19 |
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| [ol] | But I think that accelerated build (using cross-compiler build on host instead of target native compiler) is not much different in whether cputransparency is configured or not. | 20:21 |
| Stskeeps | right | 20:21 |
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| [ol] | So far I've built and installed the following packages: m4, gdbm, perl (needs libperl.so placed in /usr/lib to work), autoconf, automake, libtool (still has issues), db4 (db4-cxx has problems with rpath), zlib, pkgconfig, ncurses, texinfo, bison, expat. | 20:27 |
| [ol] | In this order. | 20:27 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 20:27 |
| [ol] | There were a couple of funny problems when building perl. | 20:28 |
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| Stskeeps | perl is always a bit bizarre | 20:28 |
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| [ol] | Perl build was failing because its Cwd module uses reverse path traversal until root to find current directory (or any file's absulute path). It didn't work for my homedir because emulated root didn't have "/home". | 20:29 |
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| [ol] | Creating an empty "home" dir inside target root is a working workaround. | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | emulated root.. as in -R ? | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | sb2 -R that is | 20:30 |
| [ol] | No, emulated root directory., | 20:30 |
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| Stskeeps | okay, just checking you're not using the -install or sb2 -R mode for builds | 20:31 |
| [ol] | "/parentroot/srv/mer/targets/mer-core-x86_64-base" emulated by sb2 as "/". | 20:31 |
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| Stskeeps | ah. | 20:31 |
| [ol] | Of course, no. | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | good, just checking :) | 20:31 |
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| Stskeeps | i've done that once ;) | 20:31 |
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| [ol] | Only for package install. | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 20:31 |
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| Stskeeps | that sounds like a fun issue (perl), thanks for finding it | 20:32 |
| [ol] | Also, there was another funny problem which can happen ofor now only foe x86_64 target (the one binary compatible with host). | 20:32 |
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| [ol] | When sb2 treats target binaries as host-compatible, it uses binary's path to determine whether it's host or target one. And it was thinking that anything in "/home" has exec policy "Tools", not "Target". | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | ah.. | 20:36 |
| [ol] | Changing the order of entries of exec_policy_selection in "/usr/share/scratchbox2/modes/sdk-build/config.lua" file ("dir = sbox_user_home_dir ..." to come before "prefix = tools_root ...") solved this problem. | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 20:37 |
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| [ol] | So, here's the question: What sb2-init "-t /" means? | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | means that the tools is the / directory | 20:38 |
| [ol] | I mean, what "-t /" option means? | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | i -think- you can remove it | 20:38 |
| [ol] | What tools? | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | ok, so | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | it's possible to have for example debian as the host os, and then /mer is the tools where it gets the tools for cross compilation | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | if it causes problems, try ditching the -t / | 20:39 |
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| [ol] | Stskeeps: OK, good. One problem less. After sb2-init without "-t /" target binaries in my homedir work with unpatched "/usr/share/scratchbox2/modes/sdk-build/config.lua" file. | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | ok, good | 20:45 |
| [ol] | Anyway, this option should not be recommended when using Mer SDK chroot. | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | agreed | 20:46 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: ^ | 20:46 |
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| bunk | [ol]: stupid question: You have read the "Scratchbox 2: Internals and Architecture" document? | 20:46 |
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| [ol] | bunk: Could you please send me a link? | 20:47 |
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| Stskeeps | http://maemo.gitorious.org/scratchbox2/scratchbox2/trees/2.3_development/docs , .pdf there | 20:48 |
| bunk | Stskeeps: you beat me | 20:49 |
| [ol] | bunk: That's not a stupid question. I was trying to read sb2 manuals, but I was not aware that this document exists. And I presume some people on this channel don't know about it as well. At least, my questions about useful documentation were unanswered. | 20:49 |
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| Stskeeps | i thought i told you about it already ;) | 20:49 |
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| [ol] | Stskeeps: You've pointed me to some presentation slides. | 20:50 |
| [ol] | But they were too dpkg-oriented... | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | ah, my bad, sorry | 20:50 |
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| Stskeeps | either way, it's there | 20:51 |
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| [ol] | OK, I already have scratchbox2 git repo, so I've opened this file from there. Reading... | 20:51 |
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| [ol] | bunk: Thank you for helping me finally find sb2 documentation. :-) | 20:56 |
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| [ol] | Oh, yeah, I've forgot about another funny bug! I think, I should start collecting funny bugs and some day release a book about them. :-) | 21:00 |
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| [ol] | So, there's a patch for zlib which makes it use some accelerated CPU asembly language functions on popular architectures. | 21:02 |
| [ol] | This patch is applied to zlib when building an RPM. | 21:02 |
| [ol] | And as a result, RPM build fails on x86_64 with assembler complaining that some label is defined twice. | 21:03 |
| [ol] | But this label is defined just once in asm directive inside some function accelerated for SSE3. | 21:04 |
| [ol] | But it appears twice in .s file (if compiled with "-S" option). | 21:05 |
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| [ol] | But it apperrs just once in .s file after changing "-O2" compiler flag to "-O3". | 21:05 |
| Stskeeps | [ol]: yeah, we see bizarre issues like that on arm too on occasion | 21:06 |
| Stskeeps | i think it's a gcc or assembler bug | 21:06 |
| Stskeeps | just disable the patch for bootstrap | 21:06 |
| [ol] | So, for some reason unknown to me, gcc optimises code and inlines a part of that function twice. | 21:06 |
| [ol] | Marking this function with __attribute__((__noinline__, __noclone__)) doesn't help. | 21:07 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 21:07 |
| Stskeeps | hence the bug thing | 21:07 |
| [ol] | But the very beginning of the patch contains the line: "Generated by cloneing https://github.com/kaffeemonster/zlib/commits/adler32_vec and merging v1.2.7 into it." | 21:08 |
| Stskeeps | right | 21:09 |
| [ol] | So, here's the solution: using the new version of the same file from github and embedding it into the patch! | 21:09 |
| [ol] | It did the trick. | 21:09 |
| Stskeeps | wow, i did this back in may? | 21:10 |
| Stskeeps | [ol]: contribution welcome to fix :P | 21:10 |
| [ol] | Yes, I have a bunch of changed in git, waiting to be posted on gerrit. | 21:11 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 21:11 |
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