Monday, 2012-12-10

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iekkumorning04:16
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situMorning everyone05:23
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cckwesanybody know how to add kernel parameter on boot for raspberrypi?06:12
kulvecckwes: I think there's boot.scr file on the sdcard that the bootloader parses. You should be able to put kernel parameters there06:14
cckweskulve: Thanks, I will check later after I go home06:16
cckwesbetween, I bought a touch screen and connect to my rpi and boot mer on it, feels great! ;)06:16
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Stskeepsmorn all06:41
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Stskeepsgood morning e8johan :)06:58
e8johanstkeeps: morning06:58
e8johanyou're doing great these days! Nice to follow06:58
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Stskeepsthanks :)06:59
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e8johanI was kind of surprised to se myriad as a part of the eco system - I thought you would run dalwik directly in mer...07:01
e8johanextrapolating from blogs and tweets made it look that way :-)07:01
Stskeepsmyriad runs directly in sailfish07:01
KypeliGood morning07:02
e8johanok, so it is not a virtualization layer on top of07:02
Stskeepsno, no fancy xen or kvm involved07:02
e8johancool, that sound nice07:02
e8johanhave you tried it?07:02
e8johanhow does it perform=?07:02
Stskeepsyes i've tried it and it performs quite nice, i like their architecture but i can't say more than that :)07:03
e8johan:-)07:03
e8johanI'm looking forward to it07:03
Stskeepsnot vaporware, which is always a good thing in this business ;)07:04
* lpotter has worked on vaporware before07:04
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e8johan:-)07:10
lpotterya know.. windows mobile 6 sucks07:10
e8johanlpotter: a little story... we have a new time reporting system relying on one-time-codes sent via phone. But not as smses, but as a specific class of messages... so the wp people can't login :-)07:12
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Jake9xxanother day in packetloss world07:13
Jake9xxhow hard it is to operate a broadband network?07:14
StskeepsJake9xx: depends if you attempt to do it with pigeons or not07:14
Jake9xxStskeeps: I pay for +20M line but get a disconnecting 12M line, nice07:16
StskeepsJake9xx: i found out that my miserable tv-quality cable line was due to a sour cable, heh07:16
Stskeepswell, connector, actually, turned out it wasn't screwed properly into the other cable07:16
Jake9xxStskeeps: whoa.. we had mice in our prev. apt and one day the cable TV was gone. I spent some 100e on power amplifiers et al before opening the floor to discover half-eaten cable07:17
Stskeeps:nod:07:20
Bostikhah, more than a year ago we complained to our cable-tv operator that their line was flaky and caused artifacts; twice they simply assured us that it's nothing with them - and then we got a electrician to call one of the HW guys directly07:24
Bostikhe came with measuring equipment and in the end agreed that yes, the line *outside* was indeed flaky and had constant signal problems and line resets07:25
Bostikwith that report the operator FINALLY agreed to fix it07:25
Bostikthe really funky bit is that the man who did the measurements said that in all his years he had never seen a line fail like that, and the even the line errors were yet-unseen for him07:27
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StskeepsBostik: so, just like qtwebkit? ;)07:27
* Bostik hunts down the post about ISP's and telcos degrading towards collection-agency practices07:28
BostikStskeeps: no, this was worse; at least qtwebkit has not failed locally due to unreproducible and unknown HW failure07:28
Bostikit may end up causing a number of wetware failures, though...07:29
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Stskeepsmorn Sfiet_Konstantin07:37
* situ feels dizzy while looking at QtWebkit compile time errors07:38
Sfiet_Konstantinmorn Stskeeps07:38
Sfiet_Konstantinsitu: you are not alone07:38
Sfiet_KonstantinI'm going to the dark side :S07:38
Sfiet_KonstantinI'm coding for BB10 :D07:38
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situI heard interface of BB10 is similar to Sailfish.07:42
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Sfiet_Konstantinnot as good07:45
Sfiet_Konstantinsitu: it is closer to Harmattan07:45
Sfiet_Konstantinand with what Sailfish brought, I feel like Harmattan is boring ...07:45
situI  believe swipe (visual) effect on harmattan to bring apps to background is still more intuitive.07:48
situOn Sailfish the app just disappears when you swipe from edges.07:48
Stskeepsit's not very visible in the demos, but if you go slow, it turns the app transparent07:49
Stskeepsand then when you complete the push, it's gone07:49
Stskeepsso you can peek back07:49
Stskeepsmakes it very useful07:50
situAha..I didn't notice that.07:50
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Sfiet_KonstantinStskeeps: https://sfietkonstantin.wordpress.com/2012/11/25/sailfish-time-for-critics/07:54
Sfiet_Konstantinread "Lack of visual clues and feedback"07:54
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Stskeepsnot really a ui guy :P07:56
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lpottercommandline is ui07:59
Stskeepsi make atrocious interfaces ;)08:00
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igheatext interface with brainwave input08:04
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Sfiet_KonstantinStskeeps: spinning mer logo are awesome08:06
Stskeepshehe08:06
Stskeepsvery nice for testing qtquick208:06
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situSfiet_Konstantin: Can you run Mer on your BB10 tablet ?08:08
Sfiet_KonstantinI don't have any BB1008:08
Sfiet_Konstantinand no tablet either08:08
Sfiet_KonstantinI'm running simulator08:08
Sfiet_Konstantintrying to get one BB10 device08:08
Sfiet_Konstantinbut I really prefer having a Jolla one :D08:08
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niqtmorning all08:18
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niqtping lbt08:32
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Sagelbt, Stskeeps: next release happens on?10:23
Stskeepslbt should have imported the prerelease to cobs10:23
Stskeepsthen we do test images, test them, then release10:23
lbtniqt: pong10:23
lbtimport last night - email pending10:23
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Stskeepsk10:25
StskeepsSage: so when the cobs is settled, images welcome for nemo10:26
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samposlbt: can I haz api.pub.meego.com access, please ?10:27
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lbtsampos: sure - account?10:27
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samposlbt: samposa, thank you10:29
lbtdone - have fun :)10:30
samposwill do :)10:30
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sledgesgood lawning!10:32
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rcg-workmer openssh version is 5.6p1, right?10:40
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Stskeepspossibly10:41
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rcg-workthis seems to have a problem with newer kernels10:41
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rcg-workkeywords: "oom_adj is deprecated"10:42
rcg-work"please use oom_score_adj" instead10:42
rcg-workthere also is a patch for fixing this10:43
rcg-workmy question is: would we prefer the patch or directly update openssh to a more recent version?10:43
niqtlbt have you saw my email (http://t.co/vGfn6RON) on sdk? I would know if it is a bug known or is my problem. I'm seeing the code of qt-creator  to resolve10:45
lbtniqt: almost certainly an issue in QtCreator - that part is in active development - I'm back from QtDevDays and would hope to get some stabilisation this week10:46
lbttry pulling from git again10:46
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niqtthnks10:47
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lbtniqt: please keep us informed - also any general issues too10:48
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niqtok lbt: i can confirm you that i have the problem with last qt-creator (last commit 7 december)11:04
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rcg-workStskeeps, ^11:06
Stskeepsrcg-work: upgrade is always good11:07
rcg-workalright :)11:07
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kulvercg-work: nice work with the moslo stuff! :)11:36
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CosmoHillmorning11:50
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iekkumer bug triage staring soon12:00
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lbtgood stuff12:02
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rcg-workkulve, thanks :)12:04
rcg-worki am really happy that we can export partitions from nexus 7 that way :D12:05
rcg-workmakes hacking so much easier :)12:05
kulvedefinitely12:07
SpeedEvilkulve: ?12:08
rcg-worktonight i'll look into fixing the kexec stuff and some other things12:09
kulveSpeedEvil: just agreeing with rcg12:10
SpeedEvilah, I thought you supplied a way. I was idly wondering, but on reflection not likely n7 stock12:11
SpeedEvilI have been wondering about wacky USB gadget drivers that fake a fat filesystem from a list of files from tracker or something12:11
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cckwesping kulve12:17
kulvepong cckwes12:17
cckweshi, I found no boot.scr file in my boot partition12:18
cckwesis there any way to generate it?12:18
CosmoHillvgrade: ping12:18
kulvecckwes: http://elinux.org/RPi_U-Boot12:20
pqcckwes, did you look through all the text files in /boot?12:21
CosmoHillcckwes and kulve, are you using the rpi?12:22
cckwespq: yup, i have args-uncompressed.txt, boot-uncompressed.txt, a config file and the license file12:22
cckwescosmohill: yes, i'm using rpi12:22
CosmoHilloh cool, I was going to talk to vgrade about it, i made some tweaks and have it dynamically OC to 850Mhz with Mer12:23
CosmoHillalso PAL composite output12:23
cckweswow, great!12:23
CosmoHilli don't know if it has changed the cpu freq tho, I tried to compile a new kernel but ran out of space on the parition12:24
cckwesyou've compiling the 3.2.x kernel provided by rpi on github?12:27
kulvedon't they provide 3.6 nowadays?12:27
CosmoHillhttp://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/pastebin/index.php?hx12:28
CosmoHillI downloaded 3.6.x onto the rpi and started decompressing it but ran out of space12:28
kulveyou should really compile kernel on your linux instead of the rpi :)12:28
kulve(if that's what you meant..)12:28
CosmoHilli should12:29
CosmoHillcompiled xz and iperf on it12:29
CosmoHillgot 69Mb/s over ethernet12:29
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BostikCosmoHill: if you want to build something $HUGE on rpi, why not use sshfs and mount the build path *on* rpi from a system where you have disk space to spare?12:31
CosmoHillI've been trying to get raspi-config working to enable turbo mode12:31
cckwescosmohill: so how do you set the OC?12:31
CosmoHillcckwes: did you see the pastebin?12:31
cckwesyup12:31
CosmoHillbottom line12:31
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CosmoHillshould take affect next reboot12:31
cckwesso just change the config.txt without recompiling the kernel?12:32
CosmoHilli read somewhere that the gpu reads that file first and configures stuff on the firmware12:32
CosmoHillcckwes: i think so12:32
CosmoHilli sent some other options like screen resolution to test and they worked12:32
CosmoHillthe problem with the mer image I have is that it can't read the CPU freq so i can't tell12:33
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sledgesStskeeps, https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=64513:08
MerbotMer bug 645 in meego-cross-armv7hl-sysroot "objcopy cannot attach debug info" [Normal,Resolved: invalid]13:08
sledgesI do .../armv7hl-meego-linux-gnueabi-objcopy --add-gnu-debuglink=../usr/lib/debug/lib/libpthread-2.15.so.debug libpthread-2.15.so13:08
sledgesI assumed ../usr/lib/debug/lib/libpthread-2.15.so.debug=${debugdir}/${debugfile}13:08
sledgesAnd libpthread-2.15.so=${tostripfile}, means I am doing it correctly (3rd row of solution http://stackoverflow.com/questions/866721/how-to-generate-gcc-debug-symbol-outside-the-build-target) -- provided that OBS did the first two rows to obtain .so and .debug.so13:08
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Stskeepssledges: debuglink is for indicating remote debug13:11
Stskeepsnot adding it within13:11
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Stskeepsie, you can't merge it back13:11
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sledgesso the only thing I can do is reattach it to the .text section via gdb ?13:11
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sledgesat any rate, --add-gnu-debuglink fails13:12
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sledgesI thought stackoverflow's case is pretty symmetric in terms of de/attaching debug info13:13
sledgesunless some assumptions of mine are incorrect13:13
Stskeepsthere's probably already a debuglink13:13
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sledgesah, so it's non-stripped (hence the bits in .ks ;))13:16
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sledgesok, libpthread.so.0 contains stuff like ../nptl/pthread_mutex_lock.c13:19
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Stskeepsjust install glibc-debuginfo?13:19
Stskeepsand glibc-debugsource13:19
sledgeswhat I need is objdump with disasembly and source13:19
sledgescd glibc-src/nptl; objdump -Sd libpthread.so.0 - still does not pickup source :(13:20
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sledgesI'll retry with your said glibc-*13:21
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sledgesweird, where is the source gone? find /parentroot/srv/mer/targets/mer-core-armv7hl-xorg-basic-qmlviewer/ -name "nptl" -type d: /parentroot/srv/mer/targets/mer-core-armv7hl-xorg-basic-qmlviewer/usr/src/debug/eglibc-2.15/nptl13:32
sledgesbut sb2 -t mer-core -R sh -c "ls -l /usr/src/debug/": total 013:32
Stskeepssomeone ought to fix the sdk-* sb2 rules13:32
Stskeepsi hear lbt13:32
Stskeeps's on SDK duty today13:32
sledges\o/13:32
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sledgeshope he'll address this one, too: https://github.com/lbt/sdk-webapp/pull/113:34
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sledgesstill does not pick the source code up, Stskeeps .. sb2 -t mer-core -R sh -c "cd /usr/eglibc-2.15/nptl && objdump -dS /lib/libpthread.so.0"13:40
Stskeepssledges: go into usr/share/scratchbox2/modes/sdk-build/ and find the line with /usr/src and remove it13:41
Stskeepsor something like that13:41
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sledgesdone that, now I can see actual /usr/src contents, but source code does not get picked up by objdump, so I think now it's no longer MerSDK issue..13:45
sledgesit's how debug info is injected (by OBS)13:45
sledgesand it's probably only me who wants to objdump -dS, everyone else just do gdb and it picks up13:46
sledgesunfortunately, in my case it's impossible to gdb13:46
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kulvercg-work: ping17:18
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kulvercg-work: nm. Your moslo stuff seems to work nicely :)17:22
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sledgestalking about nexus, kulve ?17:37
kulveyeah17:37
sledges(how can one remember which number for Nexus stands for tablet; or a phone version....!?)17:37
kulvethe number is the display size17:37
sledgesa17:37
rcg-workkulve, nice :)17:37
kulvercg-work: but the kernel won't mount it.. just panics after failing to mount it17:38
sledgesand if it's the second released of the same form factor?17:38
rcg-workkulve, huh?17:38
kulvesledges: not there yet I guess :)17:38
rcg-workon your host system or on the tablet?17:38
kulvetablet17:38
rcg-workhmm.. could you send me a pic showing the output?17:39
kulveI'm trying with the kernel I already have there, just rewrote the rootfs with the moslo stuff17:39
kulvei.e. mke2fs -t ext4, mount, cp -a, umount, reboot17:39
rcg-workhmm, you mean the moslo does not work or booting with the kernel into the rootfs does not work?17:40
kulvethe latter17:40
rcg-workah, yes, i encountered something similar one time i think17:40
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rcg-workwas it about unsupported feature?17:41
rcg-workmight need to add some options to the ext4 driver or something17:41
kulvejust realized that my kernel has the android's /proc/last_kmsg :)17:41
rcg-workbut usually the boot process would be moslo -> kexec -> kernel from rootfs17:42
kulvehmm.. no journal. Maybe I should have used -j with the mke2fs?17:42
rcg-workhmm.. i usually just do mkfs.ext4 ;)17:42
kulveI'll try with that one17:42
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kulvebut just for the record: boot normally -> fail -> boot moslo, telnet, cat /proc/last_kmsg and you have the previous kernel messages for easy cut'n'paste :)17:43
rcg-worki "just" need to fix kexec from moslo to "real" os17:43
rcg-workah cool :)17:44
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kulvercg-work: so what exactly is your mkfs.ext4 command..? Any parameters?17:50
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sledgeshmm Nexus 5.5 would be a fablet!17:52
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kulvercg-work: hmm.. actually it may not have synced it properly last time.. Let's try again17:53
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sledges*phablet..17:58
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kulvercg-work: didn't help18:01
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kulvewell, still trying something differently..18:08
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rcg-workkulve, sorry.. am busy also with other stuff18:13
rcg-workam about to go home..18:13
kulvenp18:14
rcg-workmaybe we can get into this later18:14
rcg-worksay 20:30?18:14
rcg-worki.e. 20:30 german time18:14
rcg-workwould be in about 01:1518:14
kulvetoo late for me today. I'll debug this a bit still and continue tomorrow18:14
rcg-workalright18:15
rcg-workif you find the time, maybe you can write me an email with an explanation of the issue18:15
rcg-workcause i think i still don't get the real problem ;)18:16
kulvehttp://pastie.org/550752618:16
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kulvethere's the paste about the issue, if somebody figures out what's wrong with the fs18:17
rcg-workalright, that's a new issue to me18:19
rcg-worksorry18:19
rcg-workanyway, will try to dig into the moslo and see if i can fix the kexec issue18:20
kulvethis is how I created the image: "mkfs.ext4 -j /dev/sdb1"18:20
kulvewell, also without the -j. I guess that's the default anyway18:20
rcg-worksdb1?18:20
rcg-workshouldnt it be just sdb18:20
kulvegood point18:21
Stskeepskulve: CONFIG_LFDAB or something like it in kernel?18:21
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Stskeepsthe larger than 2tb thing18:21
kulveI created a partition in there, but that's not an mmc, it's already partition :)18:21
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kulveStskeeps: I'll check that later, first I try to create a proper partition18:22
Stskeepsk18:22
rcg-workalright, gotta go now18:22
rcg-workbbl18:23
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kulvethat fixed it..18:30
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Stskeepsthe proper partition or the lfdab18:31
kulveproper partition18:31
Stskeepsah18:31
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kulveyay18:50
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Stskeepsworked?18:51
kulveyes18:51
Stskeepscool18:51
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rcgre19:16
CosmoHillwoof19:17
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kulvercg: works!19:45
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rcgkulve, cool :)20:17
rcgwhat was the problem?20:17
kulvercg: partition table20:20
rcgalright20:24
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niqtping sledges21:15
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sledgespong niqt22:13
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cristidid anyone figure out how to run mer sdk from Ubuntu, if stored on partitions mounted with ecryptfs? (the nosuid mount option is set)22:23
cristiI can't figure out where is this nosuid mount option coming from22:23
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lbtcristi: not heard of any problems22:26
lbtI use luks on my ubuntu laptop though22:26
lbthave you logged a bug ?22:27
cristiit used to work before I updated to 12.1022:27
cristinot yet22:27
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lbtwhat's the fstab entry ?22:29
cristithere is none22:30
cristithat's the problem, ubuntu does it automatically and I don't know how to change the mount options22:31
lbtwell :    mount -oremount,suid /path/     may help too22:31
cristiI tried it with no success22:31
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niqtsledges, i thin that my path (for virtualbox) are ok22:33
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cristimount | grep home | grep suid  shows nothing22:33
lbtit won't22:34
lbtwell, hmm22:34
lbtthat means that it's not mounted nosuid22:34
cristisudo -i22:35
cristisudo: must be setuid root22:35
cristithis is inside the SDK22:35
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cristi-rwsr-xr-x 2 root root 71628 May 22  2012 /usr/bin/sudo22:35
lbtOK - that's broken22:35
cristiwhat exactly?22:36
lbtnot showing nosuid in the mount and then saying a root suid app is not22:36
cristiyeah22:37
lbtdo you have *any* nosuid in the mount output22:37
lbtpossibly in the bind mount - which would be odd22:37
cristinope22:38
lbthttp://askubuntu.com/questions/210048/error-when-running-binary-with-root-setuid-under-encrypted-home-directory22:38
lbtit should (IMHO) report nosuid in the mount22:39
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cristithanks22:40
lbtsounds like we need a link in the wiki :/22:41
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cristiI will add it22:43
lbtty - note in the prerequisites or maybe add a "known limitations" at the end (this isn't a typical setup is it?)22:43
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cristihttps://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK#SDK_Requirements22:50
cristiit can be typical in the 'enterprise' world :)22:50
sledgesniqt, sorry my internet connection went22:51
cristialthough LUKS might be preferred, which should not have this issue22:51
sledgesthen you need to cd mer-qt-creator source directory22:51
cristiI will move the SDK somewhere else...22:51
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sledgesand do `grep "Cannot determine Qt version" * -R` (don't remember the exact string)22:52
sledgesfind the .cpp file in question, and try to figure out why it fails22:52
sledgesby printing debugging informations22:53
sledgesof its variables22:53
sledgesand backtracking to see how it connects to the vm and why it fails22:53
sledgesrecompiling every time (just type make)22:53
sledgesand trying out with bin/qtcreator22:53
niqtyes, i'm doing it22:54
sledgesI wanted to help you because I had exactly the same error, but it was due to no passwordless connect to mersdk22:55
niqtthus, only i have this error....22:56
sledgeslife gets challenging sometimes!22:58
sledgeswe found workaround for "VM not registered" and "no sdk-webapp after upgrade & reboot"22:58
sledgesit's in wiki, and I think we helped many people to get going22:58
sledgeswill help you as well22:58
* sledges remembers several "VM not registered" cases in IRC over last days, now they receded as we foudn a kludge22:59
sledgeswaiting for aportale (were they here today, lbt?) to address it23:00
sledgesto patch mer-qt-creator at gitorious23:00
sledgesand "vm not registered" error will be history23:00
lbthmm23:00
sledgesbut yours is a bit tougher, niqt23:00
sledgesinteresting :)23:00
niqt:)23:01
lbtniqt: I ran out of space and need to remake my VM - I'll be a few mins23:01
niqtok23:01
sledgessadly it's time for bed for me, as I'm mostly around during "working" time :D23:02
sledgesgood luck! thanks lbt23:02
cristiwas the sdk-upgrade tool removed lately?23:02
lbtshould not have changed23:03
lbtit's called sdk-version though23:03
cristisudo sdk-version --latest23:03
cristiI just saw this23:03
lbtthat should be OK23:03
lbtI suggest:   sudo sdk-version --core latest --sdk next23:05
lbtwhich puts you on the 'rolling' SDK23:05
cristicool23:06
cristithanks23:06
cristihttps://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK#Upgrading_the_SDK23:07
cristiI tried to make it more explicit23:08
lbtty23:09
cristiit would be nice to have a -h parameter23:09
lbttry it now23:09
cristiwas it added lately?23:09
lbtyep - if you did ---sdk next then you should have the new one23:10
cristicool, but it's still running23:10
cristiyepp, it's there now23:10
lbtthere were other bugs too :)23:11
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cristiI can imagine...23:12
cristinow I can at least build something for my raspberryPi, it's been quite a while... :)23:13
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chriadammardy: thanks for taking a look!  sorry I didn't respond earlier, was sick friday/monday.  regarding licensing, I guess they'll be licensed the same as the other plugins in nemo-qml-plugins (I think BSD, but I'd have to double check that with w00t).  The AccountService wrapper is pretty immature at the moment - i've been concentrating on the account/identity creation side of things so far.  I'll definitely iterate the client-usage classes more in the near23:28
chriadamfuture.  thanks for your input - if there's anything concrete which should be simplified, let me know and I'll make sure to amend the API :-)23:28
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