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| iekku | morning | 04:08 |
| Ken-Young | morning, iekku | 04:09 |
| ljp | hello | 04:10 |
| iekku | -20 degrees | 04:18 |
| iekku | outside | 04:18 |
| ljp | thats not good for skiing | 04:21 |
| ljp | 33 here | 04:22 |
| ljp | not good for skiing either | 04:22 |
| iekku | :) | 04:24 |
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| iekku | ljp, i have 2km walk to bus stop, not so eager to leave home... | 04:37 |
| ljp | dont forget your ski goggles | 04:40 |
| iekku | :D | 04:44 |
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| situ | Morning everyone | 05:42 |
| Stskeeps | morn | 05:45 |
| situ | Stskeeps: When's your flight ? | 05:50 |
| Stskeeps | 2 hours 55 min or so | 05:52 |
| Stskeeps | it has snowed outside | 05:55 |
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| Bostik | it's also something like Dante's Hell outside | 05:58 |
| timoph | nah. only about -20C | 06:00 |
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| Asema_ | hello | 10:02 |
| Asema_ | good morning here in Nigeria>>>>it should be afternoon in finland | 10:03 |
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| sroedal | Asema_: midday actually | 10:03 |
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| Asemaircchat | hello | 10:06 |
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| Asemaircchat | i want to develop apps for sailfish | 10:08 |
| Asemaircchat | can anyone help me please | 10:08 |
| dm8tbr | I believe that there are two wikis that should cover this | 10:09 |
| Asemaircchat | yes but not detailed enough | 10:10 |
| dm8tbr | do you have specific problems? | 10:10 |
| Asemaircchat | not yet | 10:11 |
| Asemaircchat | just liked the OS and wanted to start writing apps | 10:11 |
| Asemaircchat | am a newbie to it | 10:11 |
| dm8tbr | sure, there are virtual machines and also device images with Nemo-mobile | 10:12 |
| Asemaircchat | so how du i got about starting to write apps | 10:13 |
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| dm8tbr | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo has all sorts of links | 10:14 |
| Asemaircchat | thanks | 10:15 |
| sledges | good mowning | 10:15 |
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| dm8tbr | https://sailfishos.org/wiki/Main_Page too | 10:17 |
| dm8tbr | sledges: good moaning | 10:17 |
| kulve | For a question like "How do I start writing apps?" there should be a really straightforward wiki about Qt Creator in proper environment. Giving a bunch of links with also really low level stuff could be quite scary | 10:17 |
| dm8tbr | kulve: you just volunteered ;) | 10:18 |
| kulve | I don't know anything about Qt Creator or IDEs in general.. | 10:19 |
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| Bostik | kulve: which makes you the perfect guinea-pig for this one :D | 10:21 |
| Bostik | just annotate your gripes as a braindump and you have an auditable "setup log" which the documentation can be based on | 10:22 |
| kulve | I'm happy to test/review if somebody comes up with the instructions. A Nemo based VM image with proper device-side tools for Qt creator and then some simple instructions for installing Qt Creator with the right settings. Although I understood that that's not ready yet.. | 10:25 |
| kulve | and also I think there should be clear distinction in the documentation for platform developers and application developers | 10:26 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: pre-release started | 10:38 |
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| Stskeeps | ta | 10:42 |
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| * lbt -> bed before 3am :) | 10:43 | |
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| Akkumaru | Anybody knows the status of Sailfish SDK? | 11:07 |
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| Akkumaru | Anybody? | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | might have better luck in #jollamobile or twittering @JollaMobile | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | what do you hope to do with it, out of curiousity? | 11:08 |
| Akkumaru | Well | 11:20 |
| Akkumaru | I hope | 11:20 |
| Akkumaru | to | 11:20 |
| Akkumaru | actually try to build something on the emulation of jolla os | 11:20 |
| Akkumaru | Most of me just want to play around in the Jolla OS emulation :P | 11:21 |
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| sledges | kulve, slush SDK presentation was a good source of "how do I start writing apps" | 11:35 |
| sledges | hope it is possible to obtain a video with _both_ demo screens visible (or at least the qtcreator hi-res screencast) | 11:36 |
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| sledges | someone with QML knowledge and Mer-patched QtCreator installed could reproduce that screen cast and share it with us is no time.. (how to build QtCreator is already on sailfish wiki) | 11:37 |
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| sledges | (that's how I learned the good old Java Spring Roo ;)) | 11:41 |
| kulve | video is good addition, but you need written instructions and examples to cut'n'paste | 11:42 |
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| HazardousWaster | is anyone using mer + something for ivi right now? | 11:45 |
| sledges | if there was a video, I could write down that to wiki in no time as I go (as anyone who watches vide would first write it down to their dev envs to try out) | 11:52 |
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| iekku | mer bug triage starting soon | 11:55 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | Stskeeps: ping ? | 12:37 |
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| brad_qqqqq | Will the mer-qt-creator support Qt5? | 13:34 |
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| Sage | brad_qqqqq: I would think so as qt5 is already in Mer core, but when that will be is probably another question. | 13:50 |
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| Bostik | brad_qqqqq, Sage: this is just my educated guess, but I would guess upstream QtCreator to support qtquick2 shortly after qt5.0 release, with _possibly_ one intermediate release before the full Quick2.0 support is in place | 14:12 |
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| sledges | brad_qqqqq, Sage, Bostik: I've already built a simple qt5 app with the help of https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/User:Tswindell/Qt_Creator_And_Mer_Integration | 14:16 |
| sledges | definitely will be possible so | 14:17 |
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| Bostik | sledges: I somehow suspect people are curious about getting QtQuick2 directly usable from within QtC :) | 14:19 |
| Bostik | but getting binary builds against qt5 is damn good to have already | 14:20 |
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| situ | Bostik: Hey | 14:43 |
| sledges | haven't tried opening qtquick2 directly in designer ;) thanks Bostik may give it a go | 14:43 |
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| sledges | Bostik, QtCreator 4.8.3 curses on not being able to find qml2puppet, it means it's already trying its best to open QML2 (Qt Quick 2.0) wysiwyg design | 14:50 |
| sledges | time to compile that puppet :)) | 14:50 |
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| sledges | QtCreator 2.6.0 that is (4.8.3 was host's Qt version it was built/based on) | 14:53 |
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| faenil | o/ guys | 15:00 |
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| sledges | \o faenil | 15:01 |
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| CosmoHill | \o/ sledges | 15:07 |
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| sledges | /°\ CosmoHill | 15:12 |
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| jonwil | Anyone know who is in charge of PulseAudio in Mer/Nemo? | 15:17 |
| jonwil | and who has done all the recent work on it? | 15:18 |
| w00t | jusa_: ^ you were involved in that weren't you? | 15:19 |
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| jonwil | mostly I am curious as to how the guys doing it replaced the pulseaudio-modules-nokia package that was used on the N900/N9/N950 | 15:22 |
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| w00t | it wasn't | 15:22 |
| w00t | (as far as I know) | 15:22 |
| jonwil | well I cant find pulseaudio-modules-nokia on obs anymore where it used to love | 15:23 |
| jonwil | live | 15:23 |
| Sage | jonwil: the pulseaudio-modules-nokia was removed as it didn't work anymore with the new pulseaudio (those were binary modules only and nobody has sources to recompile) | 15:23 |
| thopiekar | lbt, X-Fade: ping | 15:24 |
| Sage | jonwil: there was discussion in mer-general mailing list just a sec | 15:24 |
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| Sage | jonwil: http://www.mail-archive.com/mer-general@lists.merproject.org/msg00752.html | 15:24 |
| jonwil | What I am wondering is how people are still able to use new pulseuaudio on N9xx given that its missing important stuff like speaker protection and cellular speech algorithms or whatever | 15:25 |
| jonwil | or are they just putting up with the lack of speaker protection and crappier audio? | 15:25 |
| Aard | jonwil: there is no crappier audio. | 15:25 |
| Sage | jonwil: have you noted some difference in there? :) | 15:26 |
| jonwil | I thought some of the algorithms in pulseaudio-modules-nokia were to do with cellular speech | 15:26 |
| jonwil | e.g. sidetone or whatever its called | 15:26 |
| Aard | jonwil: yes, that's true. but additionally, the binary modules that were in the old pa version where not included in the configuration | 15:26 |
| Aard | i.e., they were just sitting there, but were not used | 15:27 |
| jonwil | fair enough. | 15:27 |
| Aard | we thought they were used until we updated it as well ;) | 15:27 |
| Sage | :) | 15:27 |
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| jonwil | so you mean old MeeGo/Mer/Nemo with old PulseAudio version never actually pulled in pulsaudio-modules-nokia binary blobs? | 15:28 |
| jonwil | That would be wierd | 15:28 |
| Stskeeps | Aard: what? | 15:28 |
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| Stskeeps | Aard: man, there's some people that need an asskicking | 15:28 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:28 |
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| Aard | Stskeeps: what, you didn't know that? :) | 15:28 |
| jonwil | I guess if things work without Nokia binary blobs and there are no unwanted side-effects its all good :) | 15:29 |
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| Aard | jonwil: I don't know about 'never', but at least at the time of going from the old pa-version it was not used | 15:30 |
| Bostik | sledges: I call that "good news" | 15:32 |
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| jonwil | ok, looks like its time to update my "[mer-general] N900 hardware adaptation and closed source blobs" mailing list post from before with the latest news | 15:35 |
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| JBBERLIN | chears | 15:36 |
| JBBERLIN | I've a question about mer on arm | 15:36 |
| Stskeeps | heya | 15:36 |
| Stskeeps | sure | 15:36 |
| JBBERLIN | is there are any openjdk for mer on | 15:36 |
| JBBERLIN | so that I can run jitsi on an arm tablet ? | 15:37 |
| Stskeeps | not currently but it isn't impossible | 15:37 |
| JBBERLIN | and for mer at x86 ? | 15:37 |
| Stskeeps | similar story | 15:37 |
| Stskeeps | not ported yet | 15:37 |
| JBBERLIN | okey... other try ;) how u think about the timeline and can we speedup it with donation ? | 15:39 |
| Stskeeps | you probably need to do it yourself | 15:40 |
| JBBERLIN | no we are an IT company and need it for a client project | 15:41 |
| Aard | JBBERLIN: I did java packages to run on meego a while back, it's rather messy | 15:41 |
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| sledges | good news indeed | 15:54 |
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| jonwil | ok, new "N900 hardware adaptation and closed source blobs" post made to the list with updates covering the latest items | 16:09 |
| jonwil | Would be interesting to see the use of closed blobs on Mer/Nemo for N9xx reduced as much as possible :) | 16:10 |
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| lbt_ | thopiekar_: pong | 17:20 |
| thopiekar_ | lbt_: I wrote you last week to add me to the COBS :) | 17:21 |
| thopiekar_ | did you get the message? | 17:21 |
| thopiekar_ | lbt_: ? ^ | 17:26 |
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| lbt_ | thopiekar_: sorry - in a meeting | 17:29 |
| lbt_ | yes - you should be done | 17:29 |
| lbt_ | I'm not on my desktop atm - let me know | 17:30 |
| lbt_ | hopefully .... have fun :) | 17:30 |
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| thopiekar_ | lbt_: doesn't work :( | 17:48 |
| lbt_ | :( | 17:49 |
| lbt_ | looking | 17:50 |
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| lbt_ | thopiekar_: my bad, I'd not done it | 17:52 |
| lbt_ | try now - and *then* I can say "have fun" :) | 17:52 |
| thopiekar_ | :D ok | 17:52 |
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| thopiekar_ | great! many thanks! | 17:53 |
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| Stskeeps | evening all | 18:35 |
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| thopiekar_ | Stskeeps: evening :) | 18:52 |
| Stskeeps | evnin' | 18:53 |
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| thopiekar_ | I haven't got Mer installed, but is there a way to find a list of available packages? it seems that they are called a different way in Mer as I tried to use my spec which I created for OBS: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=kivy&project=home%3Athopiekar%3Akivy | 18:55 |
| lbt_ | http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb/ | 18:55 |
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| lbt | or, in a Mer SDK or VM, zypper search | 18:56 |
| lbt | that may make more sense for that usage | 18:56 |
| thopiekar_ | http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-core/python.git;a=blob;f=python.spec;h=00c1b9967ca08597c8eae3d40101d69d5a9ebabf;hb=HEAD | 18:57 |
| thopiekar_ | found it :P | 18:57 |
| thopiekar_ | lbt: are there also if's in COBS, like in OBS? see https://build.pub.meego.com/package/view_file?file=kivy.spec&package=kivy&project=home%3Athopiekar%3Akivy&rev=e82105221a87f6e48968b72f277c5262 in line 29 .. | 18:58 |
| thopiekar_ | I would like to add something without breaking builds in OBS.. | 18:59 |
| lbt | I don't quite know why not ... Stskeeps? | 18:59 |
| thopiekar_ | I mean with the same spec.. | 18:59 |
| lbt | yeah | 18:59 |
| thopiekar_ | ok thanks | 18:59 |
| lbt | we should have one but we don't | 18:59 |
| thopiekar_ | would be a great if you could add it :) | 18:59 |
| lbt | please file a bug | 19:00 |
| lbt | check if there is one | 19:00 |
| thopiekar_ | where? | 19:00 |
| lbt | see topic | 19:00 |
| lbt | meh - bugs.merproject.org | 19:01 |
| thopiekar_ | hope I added the bug right :P https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=644 | 19:09 |
| Merbot` | Mer bug 644 in Mer OBS "Switches to make spec distribution-independent" [Normal,New] | 19:09 |
| dm8tbr | lbt: are you aware that https://www.merproject.org/ seems b0rken? | 19:09 |
| thopiekar_ | dm8tbr: was working 10mins before :/ | 19:10 |
| thopiekar_ | the wiki works | 19:10 |
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| lbt | dm8tbr: erm ... damn | 19:13 |
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| dm8tbr | the http version seems to work fine though | 19:13 |
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| faenil | is there anything else I can try when zypper ref | 19:16 |
| faenil | brings a segmentation fault? :D | 19:16 |
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| lbt | gdb? | 19:19 |
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| rcg | evening | 19:30 |
| rcg | kulve, ping | 19:30 |
| kulve | pong | 19:30 |
| rcg | how did you flash the root fs on nexus7? | 19:30 |
| rcg | the ubuntu guys are using some kinda strange approach.. seems like the "flash" a tarball which they extract via some automatism in an initrd on first boot | 19:31 |
| rcg | which, uhm, seems like to be artificially complicated to me | 19:32 |
| kulve | sudo fastboot flash userdata rootfs.img | 19:32 |
| rcg | and how do you create the rootfs.img? | 19:32 |
| rcg | sorry for the possibly stupid questions | 19:32 |
| kulve | with an android tool called make_ext4fs | 19:32 |
| rcg | ah ok.. | 19:33 |
| kulve | you can't flash over 700MB files but with that make_ext4fs you can create e.g. 4GB image and then zypper install more stuff in it | 19:33 |
| rcg | i see | 19:35 |
| rcg | got myfirst kernel running yesterday but then was stuck as i couldn't boot into rootfs | 19:36 |
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| kulve | you can flash rootfs made with the normal tool but you need to have it <700MB (as it's first loaded to memory and only then flashed) | 19:37 |
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| rcg | i see | 19:40 |
| shmerl | Kulve: Do you plan to publish Mer/PA images for Nexus7 at some point? | 19:44 |
| shmerl | And would it be maintained for the future or it's an experimental project? | 19:45 |
| kulve | shmerl: yeah, I'm planning to do it. And I'm hoping to find the time to maintain it | 19:46 |
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| shmerl | Thanks, sounds great. So do you think it's already stable enough to get the Nexus 7 itself? | 19:46 |
| kulve | well, hard to say that. Many things work, but imo Nemo needs a bit more work to be stable and more usable.. | 19:47 |
| shmerl | Also, did PA create some Mer related repos, so it could be updated, or it'll require reflash every time? | 19:48 |
| rcg | shmerl, pa can be updated. the repositories are on cobs | 19:49 |
| shmerl | Great. | 19:49 |
| shmerl | And hw adaptations bits are placed to repos as well, or they are usually outside? | 19:50 |
| rcg | repos | 19:50 |
| rcg | cobs too ;) | 19:50 |
| shmerl | So in theory it should all be updatable over the air. Neat. | 19:50 |
| shmerl | Unless of course some update breaks ;) | 19:51 |
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| rcg | well, on archos g9 you still need to flash the kernel | 19:51 |
| rcg | except this everything is updatable ota | 19:51 |
| dm8tbr | you could also flash from userspace :) | 19:52 |
| shmerl | I see | 19:52 |
| rcg | i assume this would be the same for nexus 7 | 19:52 |
| rcg | dm8tbr, well, afaik this automatism still needs to be implemented ;) | 19:52 |
| rcg | but it's nice to know that it is possible :) | 19:53 |
| shmerl | kulve: Where do you plan to publish flashing instructions when it'll be ready, to Mer wiki or somewhere else? | 19:53 |
| kulve | mer wiki | 19:53 |
| shmerl | Thanks. I'll wait for that. And it'll be armv7hl? Vivaldi was armv7l. | 19:54 |
| rcg | :) | 19:54 |
| kulve | hl | 19:54 |
| shmerl | That's good. Interesting to test if some build for nemo would work on it without recompilation. | 19:54 |
| kulve | I'm using all nemo hl binary packages on it without recompiling anything | 19:55 |
| shmerl | I hope official Vivaldi are going to switch to hl too. | 19:55 |
| shmerl | kulve: Nice. | 19:56 |
| shmerl | Btw, give a try to Firefox if it even works. It's a bit of an older build, I'll make another one soon: http://shmerl.freeshell.net/fennec/mozilla-central/fennec-17.0a1.en-US.linux-gnueabi-armv7hl.tar.bz2 | 19:57 |
| shmerl | I don't have any Nemo / PA device now. So hopefully Nexus 7 would be a good testing ground. | 19:57 |
| kulve | shmerl: create a mer repo in cobs and build an rpm for it.. | 20:00 |
| shmerl | It's not so straightforward to build it with cobs. | 20:00 |
| shmerl | It can't use default tools - i.e. it has missing deps to build. | 20:00 |
| shmerl | So I built it with SDK itself. | 20:01 |
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| shmerl | But I can make an RPM - didn't get to it yet. | 20:01 |
| shmerl | That's just a tarball as regular Mozilla release. | 20:01 |
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| shmerl | I.e. put it to /opt for testing or something. | 20:02 |
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| shmerl | What's a procedure to build something in cobs with missing build deps like yasm and etc.? | 20:03 |
| shmerl | To put those in cobs themselves? | 20:04 |
| kulve | yasm should be there.. | 20:05 |
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| kulve | but yes, add those deps to your project and they are used automatically | 20:05 |
| shmerl | Ah, last time I checked it wasn't. I'll check again. | 20:05 |
| shmerl | It also uses historic autoconf 2.13 | 20:06 |
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| shmerl | And libidl which was missing. | 20:06 |
| shmerl | The rest was fine. | 20:06 |
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| shmerl | Can Nexus 7 work in USB host mode btw? | 20:18 |
| kulve | I think I saw something about that in the ubuntu pages but I'm not sure | 20:19 |
| RaYmAn | yeah, it can | 20:19 |
| shmerl | Ports look rather scarce. Vivaldi had a whole bunch of ports in comparison (HDMI, 2 USBs and etc.) | 20:21 |
| RaYmAn | you need an otg plug/cable | 20:21 |
| shmerl | I.e. it uses Micro-B port instead of Micro-A? | 20:23 |
| RaYmAn | I suppose | 20:24 |
| shmerl | There was something like this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Micro-USB-OTG-cable-adaptor-with-Host-Mode-Indicator-/251183683180?pt=US_USB_Cables_Hubs_Adapters&hash=item3a7bb6d66c | 20:24 |
| shmerl | It's a non standard connector to Micro-B to use it in host mode (of course the kernel should support such thing in the first place) | 20:25 |
| RaYmAn | I'm 99% sure the ubuntu devs doing ubuntu for nexus 7 uses that kind of thing. | 20:26 |
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| shmerl | I see | 20:27 |
| shmerl | One port makes it tight. With 2 you could plug in power in case you need to, while using the second port. | 20:28 |
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| mord | ~< | 20:31 |
| shmerl | Besides ports it looks like a good tablet though. I guess that's why Vivaldi didn't go with it - they wanted HDMI and 2 USBs. | 20:32 |
| * lbt waves to mord | 20:40 | |
| CosmoHill | .o/ | 20:41 |
| mord | oh, i seem to have ... made a strange face, probably in attempt to suspend ssh | 20:44 |
| * mord waves back | 20:44 | |
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| rcg | btw, thx for the hints kulve :) | 21:10 |
| rcg | am so freaking busy these days :/ | 21:10 |
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| rcg | kulve, btw, i read that you are preparing armv7hl. i already built an plasmaactive armv7hl image for my archos gen9 from .ks using the sdk | 22:54 |
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| rcg | fwiw | 22:57 |
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