Thursday, 2012-11-29

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situMorning all05:12
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iekkumorning05:32
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ljpI think summer is finally here. 33c05:38
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iekkuljp, :o05:51
iekku-4 here, i think05:52
cybettedown to -10 this weekend05:55
cybetteand snow!05:55
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iekkucybette, when i went to hki yesterday there were snow in several cities already05:57
iekkucybette, was bit disappointed when returned home and no snow05:57
iekkucybette, hki is going to get crazy soon, they might get 40cm snow soon and metro isn't working during weekend...05:58
cybetteiekku: yeah there was very light snow yesterday in Tampere too05:59
cybettebut should have more this weekend05:59
cybettei need to get new boots. i wear out at least one pair a year here in Finland06:00
ljpmy kids dearest dream is to see snow06:02
ljpwerid that I used to be a ski bum....06:02
ljpweird06:02
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iekkucybette, https://villakenka.fi/felt-boots-c-34.html ;)06:04
iekkuljp, so you know the future for your kids?06:05
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ljpnot off hand. :)06:08
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cybetteiekku: nice! I've never had felt boots before :)06:15
iekkucybette, one of my friends loves those :)06:15
cybetteljp: I dreamt of seeing snow all through my childhood (grew up in Singapore)06:18
cybetteI got my wish, and then some06:18
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ljpya, they'll probably grow up to be ski lift operator :)06:23
timophcybette: careful what you wish for :p06:23
Stskeepsmorn06:24
Bostik*yaaawnnn*06:24
BostikI woke up, and thus the day was ruined06:24
ravirdvmorning!06:24
Stskeepsurgh, i actually thought it was wednesday today :(06:26
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iekkuis it thu?06:27
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cybettetimoph: yeah, I have to word the wishes more carefully now. "I want snow, but not too much, just 2 months a year is enough. Fluffy kind, not wet." etc. Give clear req specss.06:36
cybetteiekku: I can't believe it's already thursday either06:37
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Bostikcybette: optimum length for winter is roughly 2 months, not the 200 days we have here :/06:58
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cybetteBostik: indeed :P07:00
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Bostikcybette: a few years ago wife was in Brazil, attending a wood-and-pulp conference; the locals had heard a lot about Finnish paper and pulp, and asked how well our eucalyptus trees grow07:07
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Bostikeucalyptus tolerates 1-2 nights of sub-zero temperatures a year, so telling them that we have ~200 of them per year was a real shock :p07:08
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chriadamnot many drop bears in your part of the world either, I expect?  they tend to like warmer temperatures.07:11
Bostiknot many, yes; bear drop(ping)s are more common07:11
chriadameven mike tyson fears the drop bear: http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2012/11/15/1226517/621072-mike-tyson-and-koala.jpg07:12
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niqtmorning08:12
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sledgesgood moo-rning09:17
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VoodoouserHello09:19
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Stskeepshello Voodoouser09:19
VoodoouserI need to have some information09:19
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VoodoouserI want to install Jolla Sailfish UI on my N950 device.09:20
Voodoouseris it possible?09:20
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Stskeepsnot possible atm09:23
Stskeeps#jollamobile is more for you09:23
faenilVoodoouser, eheheh, there's the line ;)09:24
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Voodoouserok here is for MER09:25
Voodoouserwith NEMO ?09:25
Voodoouserthe only system created by MER09:25
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StskeepsNemo isn't created by mer, it's a seperate project :)09:25
VoodoouserOk09:25
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Voodoouserwhat is your phone ? OS installed plz?09:26
Voodoouserhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c_BqnR_vAM09:27
Voodoouserif you look this video you can see the N950 with Jolla system.09:27
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Stskeepsyes, but it is just used as a developer device09:28
Stskeepsit's not a final product09:28
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Voodoouserok where can i have this system?09:29
faenilVoodoouser, you can't.09:29
faenilwe're all waiting for Jolla to release something, so we just have to wait ;)09:29
VoodoouserOk09:30
faenilYou can flash Nemo on N950, which is not by Jolla (it's by community) but it's still based on Mer09:30
Voodoouserwhat is better meego or NEMO ?09:30
faenilNemo isn't ready for daily usage09:30
faenilbut I don't know what meego image you're talking about09:30
VoodoouserI have the PR 1.3 on my N950 installed with Nitroid in dual boot09:30
faenilok09:31
faenilthere's nothing more stable than that out in the world at the moment09:31
faenilNemo is a community project and it's WIP if you want to contribute that would be great09:31
VoodoouserOk09:31
faenilotherwise, just stay tuned and hope Jolla releases N950 image or a way to build it ourselves09:31
Voodoousernemo-handset-armv7hl-n950-0.20121101.1.NEMO.2012-11-08.1.tar.bz209:32
Voodoouserthe last version of NEMO ,09:32
Voodoouser?09:32
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faenilcould be, I don't remember atm...09:32
faenilbut even if that's the latest there will be outdated packages09:32
faenilso once you've booted nemo09:32
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faenilalso update the system09:32
faenilusing the Updating guide on the wiki09:32
Voodoouserok09:33
VoodoouserOn NEMO is there any emulator? like snes etc09:33
faenilI don't remember if anyone ported an emulator09:33
faenilcheck if emumaster is compatible, if anyone ported it, or whatelse09:34
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VoodoouserOk09:34
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faenildon't know if this works https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=emumaster&project=home%3Awonko%3ACE%3AApps09:35
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Voodoouseremumaster is ported on nemo too09:36
faenilgood09:36
Voodoouserbut emulator work better on NITROID09:36
faenil:/09:37
VoodoouserWhy09:37
Voodoouserstrange09:37
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Voodoouserwhat is your device faenil?09:38
faenilVoodoouser, main device? developing device?09:38
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Voodoouserboth09:39
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VoodoouserWho have the N9-00 dali ? prototype of N950.09:40
faenildon't know09:40
faenilI use Lumia800 (free as gift from Nokia) as main device, and N950/BB10 DevAlpha as development devices09:40
dm8tbrfor me the gift L800 is unusable. Store is hardcoded to finnish in finland. no chance to have it in english.09:41
faenildm8tbr, oops...that's strange, languages settings for the store should be editable09:42
qrwteyrutiyoupVoodoouser, is it that one (n950 prototype)? http://goo.gl/GLE5i09:42
Voodoouserdoesnt work your picture09:43
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qrwteyrutiyoupouch @ store hardcoded to finnish.09:46
dm8tbrfaenil: hahaha. http://justpaste.it/Why_I_wont_use_WindowsPhone09:47
qrwteyrutiyoupLOL09:49
sroedalhaha09:49
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faenilahahah09:49
faenilthat's ridicolous XD09:49
qrwteyrutiyoupto say the least lol09:50
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iekkudm8tbr, oh my :DDD can i share that?09:51
dm8tbriekku: please do09:55
iekkuthanks :)09:55
dm8tbriekku: on a related note. ms is thus actively discriminating the swedish speaking minority in finland.09:55
iekkui noticed that too09:56
dm8tbrthey fixed belgium meanwhile though09:56
dm8tbrhttp://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/markets09:57
dm8tbrstill, if you want to 'change' your location (and language) you have to throw away your previous account. And you can't change to a 'different country' because 'things will stop working' or something.09:58
dm8tbroh and reformat your device ofc09:58
faenil-.-09:58
dm8tbriekku: there is also a g+ post I did09:58
iekkudm8tbr, honey badger told that09:59
Stskeepslbt: prerelease when you have a moment09:59
lbtok09:59
lbton call09:59
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CosmoHillmorning10:27
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sledgesmoorning10:49
CosmoHill.o/10:50
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VDVsxStskeeps, what is ETA for next mer release ?11:26
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Stskeepsdoing a prerelease today11:27
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Stskeepsi'll merge your qmf stuff as part of second prerelease11:28
VDVsxStskeeps, please remember my qmf patch, don't want kontio to be angry at me :D11:28
VDVsxStskeeps, thx, have already another patch in the pipeline11:29
RaYmAnI'm curious, how is mer/nemo/similar ui-wise with laptop-like devices? e.g. no touchscreen, but keyboard/trackpad11:29
* kontio barks for a warn @ VDVsx and Stskeeps :-)11:29
StskeepsRaYmAn: maui-project.org may be interesting11:30
RaYmAnI was thinking of giving it a go on my new fancy arm chromebook =P11:30
RaYmAnI couldn't pass up the opportunity for Cortex A15 at a relatively cheap price =P11:31
Stskeepshehe11:31
VDVsx"One of the problems with the existing Linux-based solutions is that they are fast moving targets. For us a stable API and ABI is indispensable..."11:32
jukkaeklundRaYmAn which one?11:32
VDVsxare the based on debian stable then ? :P11:32
VDVsxthey11:32
RaYmAnjukkaeklund: Samsung XE303, Exynos5 dual-core with Mali T604 & 2gb ram11:33
jukkaeklundnice, do you like it?11:33
RaYmAnyeah, it's pretty cool11:33
RaYmAnand extremely hackable11:33
mikhasVDVsx, still working on QMF?11:33
mikhasnow you have to write code yourself again, hah!11:33
RaYmAnthey even publish the EC sourcecode :d11:33
StskeepsEC?11:34
RaYmAnEmbedded Controller11:34
jukkaeklundthanks11:34
RaYmAnhandles uhm, charging, keyboard input, special key combos and various other stuff11:34
VDVsxmikhas, nah, I've a army of minions that do that for me, as always :)11:34
mikhaslies!11:35
RaYmAnsmall  Cortex M3 32-bit ARM Cpu in this case11:35
mikhasyour minions are called fingers, and you have ten of them11:35
RaYmAnit comes with the ability to boot off SDcard or USB11:35
RaYmAnwhich is really nice for dev work11:35
VDVsxmikhas, ;) btw great weather in .fi atm you should came and visit us ;)11:36
RaYmAndisplay quality isn't that great, but it's ok for the price11:36
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VDVsxRaYmAn, what's the problem with display ? small ? normally samsung has good quality screens11:37
mikhasyeah I should … kinda miss lbt's pizza place11:37
RaYmAnVDVsx: viewing angles, colors and such.11:37
RaYmAnCompared to my ASUS Transformer Prime, it pales a bit11:37
RaYmAnit's certainly good enough for daily usage though11:37
jukkaeklundRaYmAn tempted, abt 250e in UK and amazon ships to Finland too :)11:38
RaYmAnyup, I ordered from amazon.co.uk and I'm in Denmark11:38
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jukkaeklundthere will be a Nexus one too soon I guess11:39
RaYmAnNexus one what?11:39
jukkaeklundNexus branded chromebook11:39
RaYmAnah11:39
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RaYmAnI wouldn't expect that tbh - they seem to keep chrome a bit seperate from android =P11:39
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jukkaeklundtrue11:40
RaYmAnThe biggest issue for me is that I really don't have any real usage for a 11.6" netbook :P11:40
RaYmAnBut hey, at 250$ it's a fun toy :P11:40
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RaYmAnmaui does look interesting11:48
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kontioStskeeps: is it possible to clone bugs from Nemo BZ to Mer BZ? since with http://review.merproject.org/#change,1015 I guess Mer "inherited" Nemo#515...13:22
kontiohttps://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51513:22
Merbot`Nemo bug 515 in .Other "8 libaccounts-qt unit tests fail" [Major,New]13:22
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Sagekontio: I don't think we have that available atm.13:39
kontioso wontfix in NEMO and make a new one in Mer?13:40
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Sagesure13:42
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kontiook will do so...13:45
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lbtStskeeps: so ... datestamp for prerelease?14:03
Stskeepswednesday next week?14:03
lbtOK14:04
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lbta snapshot?14:04
Stskeepsprerelease i think14:05
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alteregoStskeeps: is http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/marquiz:/n950/CE_Adaptation_N950_Mer_Core-next-armv7hl/armv7hl/kernel-moslo-n9-2.6.32.20112201-26.2.Nemo.Adaptation.N950.N9.armv7hl.rpm the right package for moslo for N9?14:09
Stskeepsdidnt aard make a better one?14:10
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alteregoI'll check, and update wiki if that's the case.14:11
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AardStskeeps: I didn't update the n9-moslo since I don't really like having two kernels building on cobs14:12
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lbtStskeeps: pre-release looks good19:48
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lbtSage: phaeron: any issues pushing to cobs?19:48
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lbtoff it goes19:50
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