Friday, 2012-11-30

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sonachmorning01:05
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MeegoBitHi everyone, I would love to have sailfish on my huawei u8800, so a couple of questions: 1. is it supported by mer already?  2. If not then how do I go about porting it? is it just a matter of taking the kernel from Android or what?02:55
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phaeronyou probably would have better chance of answers in the morning-ish (around europe time )03:27
MeegoBitthanks03:34
MeegoBit:D03:34
MeegoBitI'll be back03:34
MeegoBitlol03:34
wmarone_hmm03:34
wmarone_you'd need to make sure the kernel was up to par (2.6.32 or later)03:34
wmarone_but then on top of that you'd need to figure out what binary blobs you have03:35
MeegoBitso is it just a matter of finding the right pieces and importing them?03:35
wmarone_at a high level yes03:36
wmarone_any android-specific binary blobs won't work off the bat, though it's possible to try running them using libhybris03:36
wmarone_and then you need to make sure your handset's modem is compatible with ofono, if you want to make calls03:37
MeegoBithumm, so they are not kernel module-blobs?03:37
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wmarone_some are user space, which means they're linked against android's Bionic libc03:37
MeegoBit:P03:37
wmarone_but that's for you to find out, as Mer itself doesn't support -any- hardwware03:37
wmarone_-w03:37
MeegoBithypothetically, if I had success with finding all the right pieces and all that, how would I go about making a mer/jolla image for cwm to flash?03:39
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wmarone_that I don't know03:39
wmarone_cwm is designed around Android, I don't know if it'd work with anything else03:40
MeegoBitis ther practical tutorials for all of this? I found one tut on the mer wiki, I think, but it was a link to the Meego wiki, and was NOT easy to understand03:40
wmarone_not really, it's very much a handset vendor task03:40
wmarone_s/handset/device/03:40
MeegoBitis ther no community?03:40
SpeedEvilnot major tet03:41
SpeedEvilyet03:41
MeegoBitok, I will investigate further, any last piece of advise for me before I go?03:41
wmarone_leave your irc client open? :)03:42
MeegoBitheh do you suppose I will get further answers later on?03:42
wmarone_possibly03:42
wmarone_and as europe wakes up you're likely to catch people who have been involved with some of the existing device ports03:43
wmarone_both here and #nemomobile03:43
MeegoBitok, thanks for all the help03:43
MeegoBitI'll leave it open ;)03:43
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chriadammardy: ping04:31
Guest6056where am i?04:31
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Stskeepsmorn05:58
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dm8tbrgood moaning06:13
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lpotterhiya06:22
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lpotteram I supposed to be able to compile sources like connman from within the SDK?06:26
lpotterbecause connman git from mer need glib 2.28 and the sdk has 2.1506:27
Stskeepswell, in that case you'd probably need to set up a sb2 target06:28
Stskeepsto your question: mostly, but some packages need a full obs build, ie a local build06:28
Stskeepsthe sdk isn't guaranteed to be == the latest mer core, but the targets in sb2 should be06:29
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lpotterok. no worries06:34
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mardychriadam: pong07:24
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chriadammardy: have you got a spare moment to answer a question or two about how libaccounts and libsignon interact?07:25
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mardychriadam: sure07:25
chriadamgreat!  just wondering how the AuthData of an AccountService gets "hooked up" to an Identity from libsignon -- is the person who creates the account (via Manager->createAccount()) responsible for calling newAccount->setCredentials() to ensure that the identity gets set?07:26
mardychriadam: yes!07:27
chriadamOk, so presumably they get that credentials id, when they store a new credential?  or, how does the creator of the account know what the correct credentials id should be, generally?07:28
mardychriadam: the first one you said: once the credentials are stored, the called gets the ID, and it should store that into the account07:30
mardychriadam: if you are using the Qt API, IIRC that's the credentialsStored() signal07:30
chriadamyes, using the Qt api07:32
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situMorning everyone07:32
chriadamgmorning situ07:32
Stskeepsmorn situ07:32
situ:)07:32
* situ had a long meeting where he didn't speak more than 2 words07:33
chriadammardy: hrm, thanks, I'll have to ponder this a bit more :-)  I think i'm on the right track, though, so that's good.  thanks again :-)07:33
iekkusitu, was the 2 "no way" ?07:33
situ"yes" and "hmm"07:34
iekku:)07:34
mardychriadam: you're welcome :-)07:35
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sebasvgrade: ping08:36
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sebaslbt: ping as well :)08:41
Stskeepsmorn sebas08:42
sebasStskeeps: hey :)08:42
Stskeepshow are things?08:42
sebascool, I'm at FOSS.in right now08:42
sebashave you heard about the Aakash project?08:43
Stskeepsthat's the low end tablet stuff wasn't it08:43
sebasyep08:43
Stskeepsi forget the specs though08:43
sebasI'm sitting here with the aakash developers and project managers08:43
sebasallwinner a13 is the current hardware08:43
Stskeepsok08:43
Stskeepsfor PA you want them to have proper mali x11 drivers :P08:43
sebas1Ghz, 512MB RAM, Mali400 basically08:43
Stskeeps:nod:08:44
Stskeepswhat was price target again?08:44
Stskeepsalso, kernel sources08:44
Stskeeps:P08:44
sebas50$, but they won't be on sale08:44
sebasproduced on commission08:44
sebasyep, we have kernel sources =)08:44
sebasso I'm introducing the devs to Mer right now08:44
sebaswe're looking into creating a hw adaption for the device08:44
sebasone specific question:08:45
RaYmAniirc vgrade already made a generic port to an a10 tablet08:45
virtualdso you'd have todo  a kickstarter/indiegogo project to get them?08:45
sebashttps://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation_Guide/Step_by_step#Make_a_kernel_package << here, what's SCHEDULER?08:45
sebasARCH is armv7hf08:45
sebasRaYmAn: yep, hope we can build on that08:45
Stskeepssebas: if it's hardfp Mer, it's ARCH armv7hl, scheduler armv8el08:45
sebaswe're still reading docs, creating accounts and all that08:46
RaYmAnmali drivers are...not entirely done afaik :P08:46
sebasthe kernel guy says it's armv7hf, is that wrong?08:46
Stskeepssebas: yes, in mer it's called armv7hl and in debian it's called armhf ;)08:46
Stskeepsdoesn't really matter08:47
RaYmAnkernel doesn't care about float much :P08:47
sebasok :)08:47
* sebas creates the subproject then08:47
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sebasI'm getting Sachin, the Aakash dev in, second :)08:47
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sebashe's just applied for a cobs account, btw, that takes lbt to approve?08:48
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Stskeepsyes or X-Fade08:51
sebasokay08:52
sebasStskeeps: some more numbers, the pilot that's running right now is 100K devices, target is 60 million, pretty much one for every student08:53
sebaspart of the project is also creating Free content and infrastructure and applications08:53
Stskeeps:nod:08:53
sebasand it's all very sane, like GPL throughout, or CC/NC licenses for software and apps created08:54
sebasnice people on top of that :)08:54
chriadammardy: ping: if I use allKeys() from the root group in an Account, and it has a key in it from a nested group (say "a/b/c") and I then do: account->setValue("a/b/c", 5); will the value be set into the top-level group, or into the nested group?  I guess I'm asking: does the key encode the group information, also?08:54
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Stskeepssebas: sounds like a sane mer target at least..08:57
Stskeepsdoes it have an android port too?08:57
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mardychriadam: I'm not sure I understand the question; account->setValue("a/b/c", 5) will set to 5 the value of the key called "c" in the "a/b" group08:58
sebasStskeeps: yes, android is running fine08:59
sebashw accel'ed graphics08:59
sebasbut without android, it's faster08:59
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Stskeepsresolution? 800x480?09:00
mardychriadam: this concept that a "/" in the key name denotes a group is just a convenience to shorten some key names. In practice, in the DB, all keys are saved with the full path ("a/b/b")09:00
sebasthey created for example a Free matlab clone, and it feels noticably faster on an ubuntu boot on that device09:00
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sebassuppose dalvik is getting in the way09:00
chriadammardy: so, it's identical to doing: account->beginGroup("a"); account->beginGroup("b"); account->setValue("c"); ?09:00
sebasStskeeps: yes, 800x48009:00
mardychriadam: exactly09:00
lbtmorning all09:00
lbthey sebas09:00
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sebashey cat_x30109:01
sebaslbt: hey :)09:01
sebaslbt: meet cat_x301, Sachin, he's working on the Aakash project09:01
chriadammardy: fantastic.  thanks.  I just wasn't sure whether a key like "a/b/c" actually denoted groups plus a final group's key, or not.  cheers.09:01
sebaswe're trying to get Mer/PA up on their device09:01
lbthi cat_x30109:01
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sebasSachin has just created an OBS account, would you approve it?09:02
sebasmore details in the backlog, I'll spare you repeating it :D09:02
chriadammardy: I assume that that means that you cannot have a group whose name is the same as a key?  eg, you can' thave "a/b/c=5" and "a/b/c/d=12" for example?09:02
lbtreading ... sure09:02
sebask09:02
lbtneed the account name09:02
sebaswait a sec, it's not cat_x301 actually :D09:04
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sebasthe guy's sitting next to me09:04
mardychriadam: actually you could :-) I'm not sure if that would cause some inconsistencies at the API level, but it should work.09:04
cat_x301morning everyone! sebas: but yeah, it is not me :D09:04
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chriadammardy: urgh.  ok, no worries, I'll think about how to incorporate that into my API.  thanks again.09:05
sebascat_x301: aye, sorry for the noise09:05
sebaslamikr: meet the Mer team, Mer team, meet lamikr (Sachin Patil from Mumbai)09:05
sebaslbt sach1n is the account name09:06
sach1nHi guys09:06
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lbthey09:06
lbtsach1n: done, have fun09:06
lbtand welcome to Mer09:06
* lbt wonders where the welcome bot is?09:07
Stskeepsbusy with libhybris fun09:07
lbtyeah - need to finish my Nook after the SDK )09:07
lbtI hope that's easy!09:07
Stskeepsyeah, hmm09:08
Bostikhum, added a "silent" notifier to qt5-b2 builds - "BuildRequires: ruby" just waiting for future09:09
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VoodoouserHi everybody,09:09
Voodoouserwhat all system can be installed on the N9/50?09:10
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iekkuVoodoouser, nemo?09:19
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iekkuVoodoouser, ui using mer09:19
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Voodoouser-> iekku: nemo is good? you prefer meego or Nemo09:25
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vgrademorn sebas09:29
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vgradesebas: are you looking to put PA on there as 512MB is not enough09:31
vgradeRAM09:31
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iekkuVoodoouser, i wouldn't recommend nemo for daily usage09:39
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VoodoouserOk but it's for what?09:41
kontiodaily hacking09:42
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CosmoHillmorning09:46
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Voodoouserdaily hacking ? mean...10:10
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BostikVoodoouser: working test system, useful for development10:12
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lbthey auri__10:15
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VoodoouserI want to install Meego , Nitroid and Nemo in triple boot. how can i do ?10:18
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lbtVoodoouser: this isn't the right channel for that kind of question - sry.10:19
VoodoouserWhat kind of help I acn have here?10:20
Voodoouserwhat subjects10:20
lbtlets say you're linking a huge bit of code and your linker fails due to hitting the 4Gb mem limit from running on a 32bit userspace - that's on-topic :)10:22
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Bostikand painful10:28
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lbt*g*10:30
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situWho knows it better than Bostik who keeps hitting those limits :P10:31
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sledgesgood mooning10:34
lbthey sledges10:34
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Stskeepsgraphics debugging: so, i have a purple wayland buffer and i don't exactly know why it's purple.10:35
Stskeepsbut it sure beats black buffer.10:36
sledgesy'alright lbt?10:36
auri__lbt: pong10:36
Bostiksitu: being only half-serious, I dread the day when someone decides they want to run chromium on mer-based system and then figure out *I* am probably the most skilled at helping out10:36
lbtauri__: hey - just working on a VM image we can deploy to10:37
BostikStskeeps: overlay key?10:37
StskeepsBostik: /me mails sales@nom....com10:37
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auri__lbt: cool ..10:37
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auri__lbt: me ..making sure everything works on Mac10:39
lbtok10:40
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Bostikoh great, qtwebkit build is really off its kilt11:03
Bostikapparently tested only on a !case-sensitive filesystem, if I'm any judge11:04
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aecDoes 'mer' use X for window management?11:05
Stskeepsone of the configurations does, but we are also working on wayland11:06
aecRebeccaBlack window manager it is, then11:07
Stskeepshehe, or just qml compositor11:07
aecI see, I see11:07
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Bostikin our series of "you have got to be kidding, right?" we present today _this_ gem: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/view_file?file=0010-Fix-case-insensitive-library-names.patch&package=qtwebkit&project=home%3Abostik%3AQt5a1&rev=af156702bd7fb7aeb37256d326d6282912:32
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merlin1991hm what is libWTF?12:40
Bostikinternal stuff to webkit, I can't even remember where the name comes from12:44
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sledgesi think the creator of libWTF also forgot the name so put the appropriate one instead :)12:50
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plfiorinihi14:44
sroedalplfiorini: hey14:44
plfiorinihi sroedal14:44
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kate__Hi, I have compiled sailfish QtCreator following instructions on sailfishos.org pages. I have also installed mer platform SDK but then I am missing part of documentation how to make them work together. I know basics ( i wrote dovument how to use maemo sb1 with creator ). Is there somewhere instructions to setup mer or saifish target for this QtCreator14:45
lbthey kate__14:45
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Stskeepssroedal: how much of a hassle is it if we get our texture for a buffer on GL_TEXTURE_EXTERNAL_OES only?14:46
lbtkate__: did you fnd https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK_on_VirtualBox14:46
Stskeepsseems like android is heaps of fun in that area - GL_TEXTURE_2D only won't do it for android native buffers14:46
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sroedalStskeeps: hmm, that's quite a bit of hassle since QtQuick doesn't handle those I guess14:47
sroedalStskeeps: maybe a custom material or similar could do the trick in WaylandSurfaceItem14:48
Stskeeps:nod:14:48
Stskeepsi'm getting really close though, android buffer with right size and all, buffer transferred over wayland, able to be read in memory, dumped, converted to png and showing the right thing14:50
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pqStskeeps, whee! :-)14:56
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Stskeepsgetting grey hairs before my time though14:56
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faenilStskeeps, at least your hair isn't falling at light speed15:00
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kate__Thanks about link but it did not solve problem. I build Qt creator as instructed but I can't see mer button on left toolbar.  Does this page mean  "SDK Controll center". There is no SDK Maintenance tool there ? Does it mean "options/Build&run"15:16
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kate__If it is options->build&run then there should be least right paths for toolchain and Qt version teb se set there15:16
Stskeepssure you were on the right branch in the git?15:17
kate__git clone git://gitorious.org/+mer-qt-creator/qt-creator/mer-qt-creator.git15:19
phaeronkate__: git branch , see what branch you are on15:20
Stskeepsright, and inside that there's a branch15:21
phaeronkate__: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK_on_VirtualBox#Getting_QtCreator says you want the mer branch15:21
kate__And what is the right branch ?15:22
Bostik"mer"15:22
lbtkate__: build the mer branch15:23
lbtkate__: also please note issues you face - I am working to have this 'easy' by Qt Dev Days next wed15:24
lbtty :)15:24
lbtbbl8r15:24
kate__Ok, I try, btw, using right branch would be nice addition to wiki page ;)15:24
phaeronkate__: it says use the mer branch on the wiki page :)15:25
kate__Do you mean https://sailfishos.org/wiki/Build_your_own_copy_of_QtCreator15:29
Stskeepsah, that page looks incorrect15:30
Stskeepshttps://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK_on_VirtualBox#Getting_QtCreator is probably more correct15:30
phaeronkate__: yeah I had pointed to that link above15:31
kate__OK, jolla guys forgot git checkout mer out from their page15:32
Stskeepsyep15:32
phaeronkate__: yeah sorry , we15:33
kate__It is now building, lets see when it is ready15:33
phaeronwe'll fix it15:33
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kallecarllbt: ping15:46
lbthey15:46
kallecarlokay to PM15:47
lbtsure15:47
kallecarlabout QtDevDays15:47
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sledges (Bay 4)17:02
sledges Take National Express Airport Coach 76717:02
sledges towards Nottingham, Broad Marsh Bus Station17:02
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kate__Installing Platform SDK following https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK instructions . /srv/mer/sdks/sdk$ sdk mount18:11
kate__Mounting system directories...18:11
kate__Directory /var/run/dbus is missing in SDK root - please report this bug18:11
kate__Mounting / as /parentroot18:11
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lpotteris there a wiki or someone to explain all the Mer: projects in COBS?18:30
dm8tbrhave you checked the one from the topic?18:31
dm8tbrif then there18:31
lpotteryes. there's no wiki page describing them18:32
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Cosmo[PB]anyone used the Nokia 100?19:07
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Stskeepslpotter: Mer:Tools is for SDK, Mer:QA is for tests and such, gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb has the real stuff20:27
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Stskeepslpotter: usual good setup is ssh key on mer gerrit (https://review.merproject.org ) , cobs account (think you have one) and virtualbox20:39
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Bostik /tmp/gold/ld: fatal error: libQtWebKitWidgets.so.5.0.0: mmap: failed to allocate 562834940 bytes for output file: Cannot allocate memory20:58
Bostikrrrrrriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiighttt20:59
Stskeepsyaay20:59
Bostikwe're now officially in the Twilight Zone20:59
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Stskeepsat least you're not trying to understand why doing A,B,C isn't same as A,B,C in a seperate process21:00
Stskeeps:P21:00
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w00tBostik: haha, it's your best friend21:00
BostikStskeeps: I'm actually quite good at state machines, it's the concurrency which kills me :)21:00
Bostikw00t: did you see my last patch against qtwebkit beta2? I'm pretty sure the *nix builds are tested on case-insensitive filesystems only21:01
w00tBostik: no21:02
Bostikhttps://build.pub.meego.com/package/view_file?file=0010-Fix-case-insensitive-library-names.patch&package=qtwebkit&project=home%3Abostik%3AQt5a1&rev=4cbb2456febd80fa2cd5da7b033adf24  replay from afternoon21:02
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lpotteryes, building webkit take gb of ram21:03
Bostiklpotter: I managed to get beta1 linked with 32-bit userspace, but beta2 found a way to backstab me instantly21:04
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faenilwhat's wrong with github?21:05
Bostikone of the vilest tricks I've ever pulled, install binutils-gold, copy to /tmp/gold as 'ld', mangle path and let collect2 find the first 'ld' - the standard stanza "-fuse-linker=gold" is gcc 4.7+ only21:06
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faeniloh, here's why21:10
faenilgithub has a "partial service outage"21:10
mikhasBostik, that hack was shown @ UDS21:10
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Bostikmikhas: oh?21:11
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mikhastalk was about build speedups21:16
mikhasin the end, the speedups weren't very dramatic though … I still get a better speedup by just buying better hardware ;-)21:17
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w00tmikhas: some massive gains can usually be gotten by looking at the buildsystem21:28
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w00tso many people do sequential builds instead of setting proper dependencies and stuff like that..21:28
w00tthus totally killing parallel builds on that sw :/21:28
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mikhasw00t, I think the biggest gain would come from improving libtool21:29
Bostikof course some monstrocities have a critical path that you can't ignore, and having two or three mammoth deps on that path is a big bottleneck21:29
w00tmikhas: or removing it :-)21:29
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Stskeepslpotter: did you have a raspberry pi too?22:06
lpotteryes, I have one. unused so  far22:07
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Stskeepsalright, https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Community_Workspace/RaspberryPi probably also useful :)22:07
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Stskeepsmakes for a nice qt5+wayland device too, so22:08
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mikhasStskeeps, RPI?23:06
mikhasdo you know of some HW that is more recent perhaps?23:07
mikhasalso, if I get to run Ubuntu pretty easily on a Nexus7, then that's nice demo hw for Wayand et al, too, no?23:07
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