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| MeegoBit | Hi everyone, I would love to have sailfish on my huawei u8800, so a couple of questions: 1. is it supported by mer already? 2. If not then how do I go about porting it? is it just a matter of taking the kernel from Android or what? | 02:55 |
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| phaeron | you probably would have better chance of answers in the morning-ish (around europe time ) | 03:27 |
| MeegoBit | thanks | 03:34 |
| MeegoBit | :D | 03:34 |
| MeegoBit | I'll be back | 03:34 |
| MeegoBit | lol | 03:34 |
| wmarone_ | hmm | 03:34 |
| wmarone_ | you'd need to make sure the kernel was up to par (2.6.32 or later) | 03:34 |
| wmarone_ | but then on top of that you'd need to figure out what binary blobs you have | 03:35 |
| MeegoBit | so is it just a matter of finding the right pieces and importing them? | 03:35 |
| wmarone_ | at a high level yes | 03:36 |
| wmarone_ | any android-specific binary blobs won't work off the bat, though it's possible to try running them using libhybris | 03:36 |
| wmarone_ | and then you need to make sure your handset's modem is compatible with ofono, if you want to make calls | 03:37 |
| MeegoBit | humm, so they are not kernel module-blobs? | 03:37 |
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| wmarone_ | some are user space, which means they're linked against android's Bionic libc | 03:37 |
| MeegoBit | :P | 03:37 |
| wmarone_ | but that's for you to find out, as Mer itself doesn't support -any- hardwware | 03:37 |
| wmarone_ | -w | 03:37 |
| MeegoBit | hypothetically, if I had success with finding all the right pieces and all that, how would I go about making a mer/jolla image for cwm to flash? | 03:39 |
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| wmarone_ | that I don't know | 03:39 |
| wmarone_ | cwm is designed around Android, I don't know if it'd work with anything else | 03:40 |
| MeegoBit | is ther practical tutorials for all of this? I found one tut on the mer wiki, I think, but it was a link to the Meego wiki, and was NOT easy to understand | 03:40 |
| wmarone_ | not really, it's very much a handset vendor task | 03:40 |
| wmarone_ | s/handset/device/ | 03:40 |
| MeegoBit | is ther no community? | 03:40 |
| SpeedEvil | not major tet | 03:41 |
| SpeedEvil | yet | 03:41 |
| MeegoBit | ok, I will investigate further, any last piece of advise for me before I go? | 03:41 |
| wmarone_ | leave your irc client open? :) | 03:42 |
| MeegoBit | heh do you suppose I will get further answers later on? | 03:42 |
| wmarone_ | possibly | 03:42 |
| wmarone_ | and as europe wakes up you're likely to catch people who have been involved with some of the existing device ports | 03:43 |
| wmarone_ | both here and #nemomobile | 03:43 |
| MeegoBit | ok, thanks for all the help | 03:43 |
| MeegoBit | I'll leave it open ;) | 03:43 |
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| chriadam | mardy: ping | 04:31 |
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| iekku | morning | 05:46 |
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| Stskeeps | morn | 05:58 |
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| dm8tbr | good moaning | 06:13 |
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| lpotter | hiya | 06:22 |
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| lpotter | am I supposed to be able to compile sources like connman from within the SDK? | 06:26 |
| lpotter | because connman git from mer need glib 2.28 and the sdk has 2.15 | 06:27 |
| Stskeeps | well, in that case you'd probably need to set up a sb2 target | 06:28 |
| Stskeeps | to your question: mostly, but some packages need a full obs build, ie a local build | 06:28 |
| Stskeeps | the sdk isn't guaranteed to be == the latest mer core, but the targets in sb2 should be | 06:29 |
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| lpotter | ok. no worries | 06:34 |
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| mardy | chriadam: pong | 07:24 |
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| chriadam | mardy: have you got a spare moment to answer a question or two about how libaccounts and libsignon interact? | 07:25 |
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| mardy | chriadam: sure | 07:25 |
| chriadam | great! just wondering how the AuthData of an AccountService gets "hooked up" to an Identity from libsignon -- is the person who creates the account (via Manager->createAccount()) responsible for calling newAccount->setCredentials() to ensure that the identity gets set? | 07:26 |
| mardy | chriadam: yes! | 07:27 |
| chriadam | Ok, so presumably they get that credentials id, when they store a new credential? or, how does the creator of the account know what the correct credentials id should be, generally? | 07:28 |
| mardy | chriadam: the first one you said: once the credentials are stored, the called gets the ID, and it should store that into the account | 07:30 |
| mardy | chriadam: if you are using the Qt API, IIRC that's the credentialsStored() signal | 07:30 |
| chriadam | yes, using the Qt api | 07:32 |
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| situ | Morning everyone | 07:32 |
| chriadam | gmorning situ | 07:32 |
| Stskeeps | morn situ | 07:32 |
| situ | :) | 07:32 |
| * situ had a long meeting where he didn't speak more than 2 words | 07:33 | |
| chriadam | mardy: hrm, thanks, I'll have to ponder this a bit more :-) I think i'm on the right track, though, so that's good. thanks again :-) | 07:33 |
| iekku | situ, was the 2 "no way" ? | 07:33 |
| situ | "yes" and "hmm" | 07:34 |
| iekku | :) | 07:34 |
| mardy | chriadam: you're welcome :-) | 07:35 |
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| sebas | vgrade: ping | 08:36 |
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| sebas | lbt: ping as well :) | 08:41 |
| Stskeeps | morn sebas | 08:42 |
| sebas | Stskeeps: hey :) | 08:42 |
| Stskeeps | how are things? | 08:42 |
| sebas | cool, I'm at FOSS.in right now | 08:42 |
| sebas | have you heard about the Aakash project? | 08:43 |
| Stskeeps | that's the low end tablet stuff wasn't it | 08:43 |
| sebas | yep | 08:43 |
| Stskeeps | i forget the specs though | 08:43 |
| sebas | I'm sitting here with the aakash developers and project managers | 08:43 |
| sebas | allwinner a13 is the current hardware | 08:43 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 08:43 |
| Stskeeps | for PA you want them to have proper mali x11 drivers :P | 08:43 |
| sebas | 1Ghz, 512MB RAM, Mali400 basically | 08:43 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 08:44 |
| Stskeeps | what was price target again? | 08:44 |
| Stskeeps | also, kernel sources | 08:44 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:44 |
| sebas | 50$, but they won't be on sale | 08:44 |
| sebas | produced on commission | 08:44 |
| sebas | yep, we have kernel sources =) | 08:44 |
| sebas | so I'm introducing the devs to Mer right now | 08:44 |
| sebas | we're looking into creating a hw adaption for the device | 08:44 |
| sebas | one specific question: | 08:45 |
| RaYmAn | iirc vgrade already made a generic port to an a10 tablet | 08:45 |
| virtuald | so you'd have todo a kickstarter/indiegogo project to get them? | 08:45 |
| sebas | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation_Guide/Step_by_step#Make_a_kernel_package << here, what's SCHEDULER? | 08:45 |
| sebas | ARCH is armv7hf | 08:45 |
| sebas | RaYmAn: yep, hope we can build on that | 08:45 |
| Stskeeps | sebas: if it's hardfp Mer, it's ARCH armv7hl, scheduler armv8el | 08:45 |
| sebas | we're still reading docs, creating accounts and all that | 08:46 |
| RaYmAn | mali drivers are...not entirely done afaik :P | 08:46 |
| sebas | the kernel guy says it's armv7hf, is that wrong? | 08:46 |
| Stskeeps | sebas: yes, in mer it's called armv7hl and in debian it's called armhf ;) | 08:46 |
| Stskeeps | doesn't really matter | 08:47 |
| RaYmAn | kernel doesn't care about float much :P | 08:47 |
| sebas | ok :) | 08:47 |
| * sebas creates the subproject then | 08:47 | |
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| sebas | I'm getting Sachin, the Aakash dev in, second :) | 08:47 |
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| sebas | he's just applied for a cobs account, btw, that takes lbt to approve? | 08:48 |
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| Stskeeps | yes or X-Fade | 08:51 |
| sebas | okay | 08:52 |
| sebas | Stskeeps: some more numbers, the pilot that's running right now is 100K devices, target is 60 million, pretty much one for every student | 08:53 |
| sebas | part of the project is also creating Free content and infrastructure and applications | 08:53 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 08:53 |
| sebas | and it's all very sane, like GPL throughout, or CC/NC licenses for software and apps created | 08:54 |
| sebas | nice people on top of that :) | 08:54 |
| chriadam | mardy: ping: if I use allKeys() from the root group in an Account, and it has a key in it from a nested group (say "a/b/c") and I then do: account->setValue("a/b/c", 5); will the value be set into the top-level group, or into the nested group? I guess I'm asking: does the key encode the group information, also? | 08:54 |
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| Stskeeps | sebas: sounds like a sane mer target at least.. | 08:57 |
| Stskeeps | does it have an android port too? | 08:57 |
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| mardy | chriadam: I'm not sure I understand the question; account->setValue("a/b/c", 5) will set to 5 the value of the key called "c" in the "a/b" group | 08:58 |
| sebas | Stskeeps: yes, android is running fine | 08:59 |
| sebas | hw accel'ed graphics | 08:59 |
| sebas | but without android, it's faster | 08:59 |
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| Stskeeps | resolution? 800x480? | 09:00 |
| mardy | chriadam: this concept that a "/" in the key name denotes a group is just a convenience to shorten some key names. In practice, in the DB, all keys are saved with the full path ("a/b/b") | 09:00 |
| sebas | they created for example a Free matlab clone, and it feels noticably faster on an ubuntu boot on that device | 09:00 |
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| sebas | suppose dalvik is getting in the way | 09:00 |
| chriadam | mardy: so, it's identical to doing: account->beginGroup("a"); account->beginGroup("b"); account->setValue("c"); ? | 09:00 |
| sebas | Stskeeps: yes, 800x480 | 09:00 |
| mardy | chriadam: exactly | 09:00 |
| lbt | morning all | 09:00 |
| lbt | hey sebas | 09:00 |
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| sebas | hey cat_x301 | 09:01 |
| sebas | lbt: hey :) | 09:01 |
| sebas | lbt: meet cat_x301, Sachin, he's working on the Aakash project | 09:01 |
| chriadam | mardy: fantastic. thanks. I just wasn't sure whether a key like "a/b/c" actually denoted groups plus a final group's key, or not. cheers. | 09:01 |
| sebas | we're trying to get Mer/PA up on their device | 09:01 |
| lbt | hi cat_x301 | 09:01 |
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| sebas | Sachin has just created an OBS account, would you approve it? | 09:02 |
| sebas | more details in the backlog, I'll spare you repeating it :D | 09:02 |
| chriadam | mardy: I assume that that means that you cannot have a group whose name is the same as a key? eg, you can' thave "a/b/c=5" and "a/b/c/d=12" for example? | 09:02 |
| lbt | reading ... sure | 09:02 |
| sebas | k | 09:02 |
| lbt | need the account name | 09:02 |
| sebas | wait a sec, it's not cat_x301 actually :D | 09:04 |
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| sebas | the guy's sitting next to me | 09:04 |
| mardy | chriadam: actually you could :-) I'm not sure if that would cause some inconsistencies at the API level, but it should work. | 09:04 |
| cat_x301 | morning everyone! sebas: but yeah, it is not me :D | 09:04 |
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| chriadam | mardy: urgh. ok, no worries, I'll think about how to incorporate that into my API. thanks again. | 09:05 |
| sebas | cat_x301: aye, sorry for the noise | 09:05 |
| sebas | lamikr: meet the Mer team, Mer team, meet lamikr (Sachin Patil from Mumbai) | 09:05 |
| sebas | lbt sach1n is the account name | 09:06 |
| sach1n | Hi guys | 09:06 |
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| lbt | hey | 09:06 |
| lbt | sach1n: done, have fun | 09:06 |
| lbt | and welcome to Mer | 09:06 |
| * lbt wonders where the welcome bot is? | 09:07 | |
| Stskeeps | busy with libhybris fun | 09:07 |
| lbt | yeah - need to finish my Nook after the SDK ) | 09:07 |
| lbt | I hope that's easy! | 09:07 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, hmm | 09:08 |
| Bostik | hum, added a "silent" notifier to qt5-b2 builds - "BuildRequires: ruby" just waiting for future | 09:09 |
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| Voodoouser | Hi everybody, | 09:09 |
| Voodoouser | what all system can be installed on the N9/50? | 09:10 |
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| iekku | Voodoouser, nemo? | 09:19 |
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| iekku | Voodoouser, ui using mer | 09:19 |
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| Voodoouser | -> iekku: nemo is good? you prefer meego or Nemo | 09:25 |
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| vgrade | morn sebas | 09:29 |
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| vgrade | sebas: are you looking to put PA on there as 512MB is not enough | 09:31 |
| vgrade | RAM | 09:31 |
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| iekku | Voodoouser, i wouldn't recommend nemo for daily usage | 09:39 |
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| Voodoouser | Ok but it's for what? | 09:41 |
| kontio | daily hacking | 09:42 |
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| CosmoHill | morning | 09:46 |
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| Voodoouser | daily hacking ? mean... | 10:10 |
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| Bostik | Voodoouser: working test system, useful for development | 10:12 |
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| lbt | hey auri__ | 10:15 |
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| Voodoouser | I want to install Meego , Nitroid and Nemo in triple boot. how can i do ? | 10:18 |
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| lbt | Voodoouser: this isn't the right channel for that kind of question - sry. | 10:19 |
| Voodoouser | What kind of help I acn have here? | 10:20 |
| Voodoouser | what subjects | 10:20 |
| lbt | lets say you're linking a huge bit of code and your linker fails due to hitting the 4Gb mem limit from running on a 32bit userspace - that's on-topic :) | 10:22 |
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| Bostik | and painful | 10:28 |
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| lbt | *g* | 10:30 |
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| situ | Who knows it better than Bostik who keeps hitting those limits :P | 10:31 |
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| sledges | good mooning | 10:34 |
| lbt | hey sledges | 10:34 |
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| Stskeeps | graphics debugging: so, i have a purple wayland buffer and i don't exactly know why it's purple. | 10:35 |
| Stskeeps | but it sure beats black buffer. | 10:36 |
| sledges | y'alright lbt? | 10:36 |
| auri__ | lbt: pong | 10:36 |
| Bostik | situ: being only half-serious, I dread the day when someone decides they want to run chromium on mer-based system and then figure out *I* am probably the most skilled at helping out | 10:36 |
| lbt | auri__: hey - just working on a VM image we can deploy to | 10:37 |
| Bostik | Stskeeps: overlay key? | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | Bostik: /me mails sales@nom....com | 10:37 |
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| auri__ | lbt: cool .. | 10:37 |
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| auri__ | lbt: me ..making sure everything works on Mac | 10:39 |
| lbt | ok | 10:40 |
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| Bostik | oh great, qtwebkit build is really off its kilt | 11:03 |
| Bostik | apparently tested only on a !case-sensitive filesystem, if I'm any judge | 11:04 |
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| aec | Does 'mer' use X for window management? | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | one of the configurations does, but we are also working on wayland | 11:06 |
| aec | RebeccaBlack window manager it is, then | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, or just qml compositor | 11:07 |
| aec | I see, I see | 11:07 |
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| Bostik | in our series of "you have got to be kidding, right?" we present today _this_ gem: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/view_file?file=0010-Fix-case-insensitive-library-names.patch&package=qtwebkit&project=home%3Abostik%3AQt5a1&rev=af156702bd7fb7aeb37256d326d62829 | 12:32 |
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| merlin1991 | hm what is libWTF? | 12:40 |
| Bostik | internal stuff to webkit, I can't even remember where the name comes from | 12:44 |
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| sledges | i think the creator of libWTF also forgot the name so put the appropriate one instead :) | 12:50 |
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| plfiorini | hi | 14:44 |
| sroedal | plfiorini: hey | 14:44 |
| plfiorini | hi sroedal | 14:44 |
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| kate__ | Hi, I have compiled sailfish QtCreator following instructions on sailfishos.org pages. I have also installed mer platform SDK but then I am missing part of documentation how to make them work together. I know basics ( i wrote dovument how to use maemo sb1 with creator ). Is there somewhere instructions to setup mer or saifish target for this QtCreator | 14:45 |
| lbt | hey kate__ | 14:45 |
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| Stskeeps | sroedal: how much of a hassle is it if we get our texture for a buffer on GL_TEXTURE_EXTERNAL_OES only? | 14:46 |
| lbt | kate__: did you fnd https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK_on_VirtualBox | 14:46 |
| Stskeeps | seems like android is heaps of fun in that area - GL_TEXTURE_2D only won't do it for android native buffers | 14:46 |
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| * lbt wanders off - highlight if needed | 14:47 | |
| sroedal | Stskeeps: hmm, that's quite a bit of hassle since QtQuick doesn't handle those I guess | 14:47 |
| sroedal | Stskeeps: maybe a custom material or similar could do the trick in WaylandSurfaceItem | 14:48 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 14:48 |
| Stskeeps | i'm getting really close though, android buffer with right size and all, buffer transferred over wayland, able to be read in memory, dumped, converted to png and showing the right thing | 14:50 |
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| pq | Stskeeps, whee! :-) | 14:56 |
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| Stskeeps | getting grey hairs before my time though | 14:56 |
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| faenil | Stskeeps, at least your hair isn't falling at light speed | 15:00 |
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| kate__ | Thanks about link but it did not solve problem. I build Qt creator as instructed but I can't see mer button on left toolbar. Does this page mean "SDK Controll center". There is no SDK Maintenance tool there ? Does it mean "options/Build&run" | 15:16 |
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| kate__ | If it is options->build&run then there should be least right paths for toolchain and Qt version teb se set there | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | sure you were on the right branch in the git? | 15:17 |
| kate__ | git clone git://gitorious.org/+mer-qt-creator/qt-creator/mer-qt-creator.git | 15:19 |
| phaeron | kate__: git branch , see what branch you are on | 15:20 |
| Stskeeps | right, and inside that there's a branch | 15:21 |
| phaeron | kate__: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK_on_VirtualBox#Getting_QtCreator says you want the mer branch | 15:21 |
| kate__ | And what is the right branch ? | 15:22 |
| Bostik | "mer" | 15:22 |
| lbt | kate__: build the mer branch | 15:23 |
| lbt | kate__: also please note issues you face - I am working to have this 'easy' by Qt Dev Days next wed | 15:24 |
| lbt | ty :) | 15:24 |
| lbt | bbl8r | 15:24 |
| kate__ | Ok, I try, btw, using right branch would be nice addition to wiki page ;) | 15:24 |
| phaeron | kate__: it says use the mer branch on the wiki page :) | 15:25 |
| kate__ | Do you mean https://sailfishos.org/wiki/Build_your_own_copy_of_QtCreator | 15:29 |
| Stskeeps | ah, that page looks incorrect | 15:30 |
| Stskeeps | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK_on_VirtualBox#Getting_QtCreator is probably more correct | 15:30 |
| phaeron | kate__: yeah I had pointed to that link above | 15:31 |
| kate__ | OK, jolla guys forgot git checkout mer out from their page | 15:32 |
| Stskeeps | yep | 15:32 |
| phaeron | kate__: yeah sorry , we | 15:33 |
| kate__ | It is now building, lets see when it is ready | 15:33 |
| phaeron | we'll fix it | 15:33 |
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| kallecarl | lbt: ping | 15:46 |
| lbt | hey | 15:46 |
| kallecarl | okay to PM | 15:47 |
| lbt | sure | 15:47 |
| kallecarl | about QtDevDays | 15:47 |
| lbt | or cider | 15:47 |
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| sledges | (Bay 4) | 17:02 |
| sledges | Take National Express Airport Coach 767 | 17:02 |
| sledges | towards Nottingham, Broad Marsh Bus Station | 17:02 |
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| kate__ | Installing Platform SDK following https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK instructions . /srv/mer/sdks/sdk$ sdk mount | 18:11 |
| kate__ | Mounting system directories... | 18:11 |
| kate__ | Directory /var/run/dbus is missing in SDK root - please report this bug | 18:11 |
| kate__ | Mounting / as /parentroot | 18:11 |
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| lpotter | is there a wiki or someone to explain all the Mer: projects in COBS? | 18:30 |
| dm8tbr | have you checked the one from the topic? | 18:31 |
| dm8tbr | if then there | 18:31 |
| lpotter | yes. there's no wiki page describing them | 18:32 |
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| Stskeeps | lpotter: Mer:Tools is for SDK, Mer:QA is for tests and such, gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb has the real stuff | 20:27 |
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| Stskeeps | lpotter: usual good setup is ssh key on mer gerrit (https://review.merproject.org ) , cobs account (think you have one) and virtualbox | 20:39 |
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| Bostik | /tmp/gold/ld: fatal error: libQtWebKitWidgets.so.5.0.0: mmap: failed to allocate 562834940 bytes for output file: Cannot allocate memory | 20:58 |
| Bostik | rrrrrriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiighttt | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | yaay | 20:59 |
| Bostik | we're now officially in the Twilight Zone | 20:59 |
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| Stskeeps | at least you're not trying to understand why doing A,B,C isn't same as A,B,C in a seperate process | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:00 |
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| w00t | Bostik: haha, it's your best friend | 21:00 |
| Bostik | Stskeeps: I'm actually quite good at state machines, it's the concurrency which kills me :) | 21:00 |
| Bostik | w00t: did you see my last patch against qtwebkit beta2? I'm pretty sure the *nix builds are tested on case-insensitive filesystems only | 21:01 |
| w00t | Bostik: no | 21:02 |
| Bostik | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/view_file?file=0010-Fix-case-insensitive-library-names.patch&package=qtwebkit&project=home%3Abostik%3AQt5a1&rev=4cbb2456febd80fa2cd5da7b033adf24 replay from afternoon | 21:02 |
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| lpotter | yes, building webkit take gb of ram | 21:03 |
| Bostik | lpotter: I managed to get beta1 linked with 32-bit userspace, but beta2 found a way to backstab me instantly | 21:04 |
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| faenil | what's wrong with github? | 21:05 |
| Bostik | one of the vilest tricks I've ever pulled, install binutils-gold, copy to /tmp/gold as 'ld', mangle path and let collect2 find the first 'ld' - the standard stanza "-fuse-linker=gold" is gcc 4.7+ only | 21:06 |
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| faenil | oh, here's why | 21:10 |
| faenil | github has a "partial service outage" | 21:10 |
| mikhas | Bostik, that hack was shown @ UDS | 21:10 |
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| Bostik | mikhas: oh? | 21:11 |
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| mikhas | talk was about build speedups | 21:16 |
| mikhas | in the end, the speedups weren't very dramatic though … I still get a better speedup by just buying better hardware ;-) | 21:17 |
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| w00t | mikhas: some massive gains can usually be gotten by looking at the buildsystem | 21:28 |
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| w00t | so many people do sequential builds instead of setting proper dependencies and stuff like that.. | 21:28 |
| w00t | thus totally killing parallel builds on that sw :/ | 21:28 |
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| mikhas | w00t, I think the biggest gain would come from improving libtool | 21:29 |
| Bostik | of course some monstrocities have a critical path that you can't ignore, and having two or three mammoth deps on that path is a big bottleneck | 21:29 |
| w00t | mikhas: or removing it :-) | 21:29 |
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| Stskeeps | lpotter: did you have a raspberry pi too? | 22:06 |
| lpotter | yes, I have one. unused so far | 22:07 |
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| Stskeeps | alright, https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Community_Workspace/RaspberryPi probably also useful :) | 22:07 |
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| Stskeeps | makes for a nice qt5+wayland device too, so | 22:08 |
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| mikhas | Stskeeps, RPI? | 23:06 |
| mikhas | do you know of some HW that is more recent perhaps? | 23:07 |
| mikhas | also, if I get to run Ubuntu pretty easily on a Nexus7, then that's nice demo hw for Wayand et al, too, no? | 23:07 |
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