Thursday, 2012-11-22

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rafase282Night time here. =]00:24
sonach: )00:24
CosmoHillThu Nov 22 00:24:28 GMT 201200:24
rafase282Happy Thanksgiving to you then from the past.00:25
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rafase282So for Jolla Salifish talk is here?00:26
sonachrafase282: it should be in #jollamobile00:27
rafase282ah okay thanks00:27
rafase282It says for core level to join here. I actually want to know if I could compile it for the LG P999 phone.00:28
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wmaronerafase282: what CPU does that device have?00:31
rafase282nvidia tegra 200:32
rafase282armv7 rev0 (v7I)00:32
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CosmoHillnight night00:51
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rafase282Sleep well00:57
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hanmaokunHi, anyone have experience running Mer on BeagleBoard?01:23
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[ol]hanmaokun: Everybody's sleeping. Please wait for daytime in Europe.01:30
wmaronesorta :)01:31
wmaronemeego references can be used with Mer for a great many things01:31
[ol]OK, not everybody's sleeping then. :-)01:31
pluxNope, but I kind of should. :-) It's 2.30 in the morning here. :P01:32
SouL_I can install Mer on a computer?01:33
[ol]And 1:32 here.01:33
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wmaroneSouL_: there are builds for Atom + Intel IGP based systems01:33
wmaronedoesn't do much though ;)01:33
[ol]I'm trying to port Mer to x86_64.01:33
SouL_I can try it with a Virtual Machine?01:33
[ol]I want it to run on my netbook.01:34
wmaroneSouL_: believe there are virtual box images01:34
wmarone[ol]: trying to do a full x86_64 build?01:34
[ol]wmarone: Yes.01:34
wmarone[ol]: cool01:34
wmaroneI didn't look into it too much when I experimented with the Iconia W50001:34
[ol]So far I succeeded cross-building gcc and glibc.01:35
plux[ol]: Nice :)01:35
[ol]Any ideas how to cross-build RPMs using newly built cross-compiler?01:37
SouL_Where I can download Mer for try it in a VirtualBox machine?01:37
wmaronelooking ;)01:37
wmarone if you want to put it on hardware01:38
hanmaokunThanks, wmarone.01:39
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[ol]There is also Plasma Active live image for x86 PC you can boot from USB stick and then install to your harddrive. However, it didn't support my netbook's brcmsmac WiFi card.01:39
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SouL_Thank you wmarone!!!!!!01:39
wmaronethat too01:39
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[ol]If you're lucky to have supported hardware, you get Mer with Plasma Active UI, which is very nice.01:41
SouL_Ok, thanks!01:42
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situMorning all05:32
chriadamgmorning situ05:34
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dm8tbrgood moaning06:22
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boomjust waiting for SDK release07:37
lbt_no 'release' ... just talk07:38
lbt_the source is already there07:38
lbt_Mer doesn't do big reveals :)07:38
boomohh!! good but Sailfish wiki showing status 'coming soon' for SDK.. how come?  i think m confused!07:39
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koala_hello Stskeeps07:46
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Stskeepshi koala_, i'm at our product launch so not much around07:51
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* timoph hopes the feeling of being an outsider goes away after these announcements07:55
Stskeepstimoph, your work makes a good part of what was shown, too07:56
Stskeepstimoph: but yeah, some things should be easier07:57
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timophyep. I'm hoping so07:58
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timophtoo bad I couldn't attend slush. This thing called work keeps interfering with hobbies :)07:59
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timophlbt_away: where's your mer shirt?08:07
Stskeepswe are in corporate mode today.. i'm wearing mer tshirt08:08
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Stskeepsi am ze welcome bot08:11
kulveStskeeps, the bot08:11
timoph"welcome bot Stskeeps" x)08:11
koala_Stskeeps: oh, so you almost have no time to response to a simple question about new update of libhybris(offscreen)?08:11
stephgalso hello everyone, I've not been here for ages (my bad)08:11
timophI knew it. there's no way you're human, Stskeeps :p08:11
Stskeepskoala_: offscreen isn't yet stable for me08:12
Stskeepsstephg: welcome back :)08:12
timophand there goes the live stream for me :(08:13
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* timoph is on 3g08:14
E-Pthere was some problems with the stream08:15
stephgStskeeps thanks,  I may have been away but I've been watching (and I still have a n900 and an n9 in my pocket!)08:15
E-Pshould work now again08:15
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Jucato(hopefully not both in the same pocket. awkward bulge.)08:20
stephgno Jucato, I'm just pleased to see you ;)08:21
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koala_Stskeeps: ok.. could you please briefly let me know the purpose of the new feature? the new feature is for using onscreen and offscreen at the same time? libhybris can get multiple instances?08:24
Stskeepskoala_: yes, multiple processes08:25
Jucatoum .. anyone has a link to that stream btw? my sister isn't home so I think my internet connection can handle streaming :D08:26
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Nicd-the jolla sdk stream?
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timophNicd-: yep. that's it08:28
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koala_Stskeeps: it's impressive. in other words, multiple egl client can use libhybris at the sametime? right?08:31
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Stskeepsyes and share gpu buffers, wayland like08:32
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koala_Stskeeps; it's amazing.. do you think it's too unstable to try to use and test it for me?08:34
Stskeepsneed stabilization, not entirely sane yet08:35
Stskeepsi will spend more time on it08:35
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pavii just built the mer qt creator , will the new SDK be on top of it ?08:36
pavior should I build it again?08:36
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timophtoo bad one can't see the actual application from the stream :/08:39
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Stskeepsthere should be better recordings later08:40
timophwell. I can always try it myself after I get home :)08:41
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timophhmmh. I'm a bit confused. Is the sdk a ready made virtualbox image or something that you install to an existing virtual machine?08:44
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koala_Stskeeps: you mean that it works sometimes and doesn't work at other times? or do you recommend to wait a while? how about trying to use it with current version and deal with it until stable version is released?08:48
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Stskeepskoala_: for this feature it's under development08:48
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koala_stskeeps: ok. I see. I know you are so so busy, but could you let me share the schedule about offscreen feature if you have it on your mind now roughly?08:51
Stskeepshopefully next two weeks should make it more stable08:52
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koala_stskeeps: I see.. thank you so much..09:10
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E-Plbt_away and folks: pretty nice demo and show you had!09:16
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eijkHi! Is this the right channel to post suggestions on the wiki?09:31
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Sage_eijk: You should go to #jollamobile instead for stuff. Mer project wiki is at
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eijkSage_: Ok, it's about not being linked to from anywhere. In particular not from the wiki which mentions the page without link.09:37
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timophlet me check that I understood qt-creator with mer sdk correctly. So basically one has creator in the host machince which talks to the tool chain inside a vm through ssh09:47
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pen9u1nor via some adb like tool?09:48
timophif I understood that correctly it should work with osx and windows in addition to linux09:48
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phaerontimoph:  that sounds close afaiu09:49
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timophI'll try to get it running on osx. At least I can't see any reason why it wouldn't work09:51
timoph(after I manage to escape from work today)09:51
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Bostiktimoph: correct, qtc invokes ssh with ceetain arguments, and those arguments are then executed inside vm; mostly it just runs a script, which then wraps the actual rpmbuild invocation, and when script finishes, we either have a build error in stderr or a .rpm package waiting and ready11:49
Bostikit really is quite simple from a technological point of view11:50
Bostikbut then again, most interesting or powerful things are11:50
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DynamitAny one here that know how it's with future of Skype, e-mail in Nemo?11:54
SKonstantin_LaptSkype in Nemo, not possible i think11:58
DynamitWhy would it be possible?11:59
phakowell you can launch the desktop client in a x86 qemu on device ;)11:59
DynamitIt sucks that Nokia have discontinue Maemo12:00
phakomeh, now I want to try that.12:00
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Dynamitand what in the hole dam world change to Win Phone as OS? I don't see any logical in that12:01
SKonstantin_LaptClosed binaries12:02
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DynamitIt cost Nokia money to have the right to have license to install Windows Phone as OS in the phone, they need to get many okey from Microsoft Corp. and more in my eyes it just take more time and cost more money then keep Maemo.12:03
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phakooh, another one trying to understand corporate decisions by applying logic.12:04
phakothat won't work.12:04
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jwalckphako: try putting on a suit for a few days, and hang around other suits in say an airport lounge. might be the fastest way to get said understanding:)12:05
phakojwalck: agree.12:06
phakomaybe hotel bars as well12:06
jwalckyeah depending on where you live that could do just as well, and more accessible12:06
Dynamitwhat have that two thing any thing to-do with each other?12:06
phakoa lot.12:07
DynamitWhat is the content if I will be allowed to ask,12:07
jwalckI don't fully understand the question, which two things?12:07
jwalckmaemo being dropped and suits doing things only suits understand is closely related12:08
DynamitNow I maybe get and understand the content12:09
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Dynamitthank you for try explaining the content of the comparisons.12:12
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CosmoHillhello master12:33
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Stskeepshello boss1442012:43
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* Stskeeps wants to sleep on the office desk12:44
faenil_n950_noticed that :p12:45
CosmoHillor, you could head over to the coffee machine and grap a cup12:45
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mikhasjwalck, phako: didn't you forget to mention golf?12:52
phakomikhas: oh, right12:52
jwalckmikhas: doh! thanks for the reminder12:54
jwalckI really need to train if I'm to become a suit one day. So much to learn!12:54
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mikhasjwalck, hardest part is to choose the suit12:54
mikhasit needs to look & feel *exactly* the same way as theirs, otherwise they won't let you join their ranks12:55
jwalckoh yes there is no more homogenous environment than this.12:55
CosmoHillwhy does that remind me of American Sico12:55
jwalckI mean geeky t-shirts are allowed to differ, as long as they stay on topic12:56
mikhasCosmoHill, American Psycho is required read in any self-respecting MBA school.12:57
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mikhasit's my keyboard … I need a new one or change batteries, again12:58
CosmoHillwired ftw12:58
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Siraj_Hi All!13:02
Siraj_What's happening here ;-D ?13:03
StskeepsSiraj_: not much, many of us are relaxing13:04
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Siraj_Aha Jolla SDK coming out today ?13:06
Stskeepsyou'd have to check their sites for that13:06
Stskeepswe develop mer here :)13:06
Siraj_I have tried Mer early release.13:07
Siraj_didn't try the new build yet.13:07
Siraj_Any major UI overhaul ?13:07
Stskeepsmer doesn't have ui ;) it's a core13:07
Siraj_Oops I mean Nemo ;)13:07
Stskeepsnemo has gotten new ui recently13:08
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tralamazzaanyone running mer on a n9? good driver support?13:15
Bostikthat is now becoming a FAQ item, really...13:16
Bostikthe entire n9* series is a bit problematic, as the hw adaptation is ... tricky and wrought with redistribution/licensings landmines13:17
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auri__lbt_away: how do things look?13:19
Stskeepssdk session went excellent13:19
mikhasis there a video?13:19
auri__great :)13:19
auri__Did you use the latest one ?13:19
Bostikdemo effect hit, but again it was due to venue staff and their HW acting up :)13:20
auri__or an older build?13:20
Stskeepssomething that looked beautiful and worked13:20
auri__:) dont they all ..13:20
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auri__so I was looking into debugging..13:21
auri__need to discuss that..13:21
auri__my first option would be to have a cross compiled gdb13:21
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Stskeepswell, where would you like to have it?13:24
Stskeepson the host, or on sdk vm?13:24
Bostikauri__: I sat next to a VC guy during the sdk demo, and he was pretty impressed with the "write code, push button: build, deploy, run on device" workflow13:25
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Bostikfor someone non-technical that was a big leap13:26
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auri__Bostik: nice.. :) .. altho I would like to make the whole thing a bit more robust..13:27
auri__next iteration..13:27
auri__Stskeeps: on the host .. the server runs in the VM or device13:28
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Bostikauri__: you're welcome to congtribute :D13:28
mikhasBostik, Qt Creator and its nice (but fairly undocument/unstable) plugin architecture does not get enough credit.13:28
Stskeepsauri__: ok13:28
wfireI love QtCreator13:29
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wfirejust saying13:29
auri__Bostik: In my defence, I already did.. else the VC guy wouldnt have been impressed ;)13:30
Bostikmikhas: I copnfess I haven't looked at QtC plugins code in almost three years, but I trust it has improved since that time13:30
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Bostikit was quite hairy in the beginning ;)13:30
mikhasHence why I said architecture.13:31
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MFaro-Tusinoif we can get the VM image from Sailfish SDK (which will most likely be x86 or x64) could we use the sailfish ui components from that, and build it on top of the mer+nemo adaptation for N9/50 that already exists?13:32
mikhasauri__, you could have shocked the VC by saying "and this is not web stuff, this is good old C++"13:32
mikhasthe VC might have died right there13:32
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auri__lol :)13:32
auri__I thought the whole world is going the JAVA way or HTML5.. poor good old C++13:33
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mikhasat least in Berlin, if you want to initiate a stampede just go to a startup meeting and tell them you use C++13:34
auri__ya, I agree.. I feel "old school" here in Berlin13:35
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mikhaslet's have a beer some time, then we can share the old-ness feeling and feel half as old!13:35
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* Bostik hugs -std=c99 compiler option13:36
auri__sure.. check up Qt meetups
lbt_hey auri__13:36
Bostikthere is only so much pian a head can take befoe caving in, and C++ is pushing it for me quite often...13:37
auri__hey.. just heard from Bostik that everyhting went well13:37
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mikhasauri__, nothing new planned yet13:39
mikhaslast time it didn't really work because location got chosen too late13:39
lbt_auri__: define "well" :)13:39
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lbt_sleep at 3am night before... up at 7:30 to check video setup... all fine13:39
auri__apparantly you got some VC excited .. well that surely sounds as in the "well" category13:39
lbt_get to presentation .... no VGA output13:40
auri__ah, darn!13:40
LoCusFyou forgot to sacrifice the goat :)13:40
lbt_yeah - but we covered it *G*13:40
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mikhaslbt_it's only a VC conference, now imagine this had happened at a Meego meetup =p13:40
lbt_and VCs get excited so easily - sadly they take a bit more to sign :D13:40
lbt_mikhas: oh yeah13:40
mikhaslbt_, when they get excited hold a contract & pen under their nose and promise they will feel much better right after they sign13:41
auri__mikhas: well sounds like we should plan the next one soon then ..13:41
mikhas"we take care of your money, promised!"13:41
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lbt_mikhas: sounds like an approach13:42
auri__lbt_: you have found your marketing guy13:42
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mikhasI shouldn't make fun of this. I can imagine this is all hard work for you, especially with that audience.13:42
auri__do you have video of the presentation?13:43
lbt_auri__: I don't have the url... sec13:43
mikhasauri__, I blame mad men13:43
auri__:) haha13:43
lbt_auri__: poll on
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Siraj_Hope it has a developer Mode toggle as N9 ^_^13:49
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lbt_Siraj_: device stuff is more in #jollamobile13:59
Siraj_lbt it was a typo. It was actually meant for #jollamobile room .14:00
lbt_really np :)14:02
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jfr_SK_LaptopSiraj_ have a whole set of these cute pictures :)14:09
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Siraj_Bye everyone14:12
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phaerontanuk: hey :)14:20
tanukphaeron: Hi!14:21
phaerontanuk: how are you doing :)14:21
tanukphaeron: Quite fine, thanks :)14:23
sandst1tanuk: \o long time, no see :)14:24
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tanuksandst1: Hi there :) How are you doing?14:25
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sandst1tanuk: fine thanks :) congrats for the job switch! :)14:28
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jfr_SK_Laptopfaenil_n950_: ping ?14:29
tanuksandst1: Thanks, that job switch didn't end up being as great as hoped, though. I'm currently not employed. This is maybe not the right place to discuss that, though :)14:30
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sandst1tanuk: ah, i'm sorry to hear that :(14:31
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Khertan_n130Congrats to the mer team, u ll get now a wider audience :)14:45
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Khertan_n130i remember the days where mer was maemo reconstruted running on my n80014:48
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dr_gogeta86hi to all15:58
dr_gogeta86which requirment I need to setup a mer build environment15:59
Stskeepslinux machine, can be virtual, 2.6.32 or higher15:59
dr_gogeta86I got it16:00
dr_gogeta86I usually have xp with openembedded16:00
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crevetorStskeeps: there ?18:03
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faenilspoiler: he's sleeping :D18:05
crevetorYeah, that can't be. He doesn't sleep18:05
Bostikthat has been probably ~correct for the past few weeks, but now he's catching up18:06
crevetorSo he'll be sleeping for the next few days I gues18:07
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crevetorWatching the UI hands on session18:08
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faenilI have created the channel #wewantsailfish for people who want to port sailfish on N950/N9...feel free to join! :)18:16
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* situ is watching the UI session finally18:28
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CosmoHillis it live?18:52
Sfiet_Konstantinlive ????18:54
Sfiet_Konstantinthe live is finished > 1 day ago18:54
situNo, it was recorded yesterday.18:54
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crevetorfaenil: "port" as I don't think it needs porting, it's already running on the N950 if you look at the initial presentation18:59
faenilcrevetor, yeah except we don't have those files19:00
CosmoHilljolla is pretty19:00
crevetorfaenil: I know, it's just that it wouldn't be a port...19:01
faenilcrevetor, well you know, I just want to run it, I don't care about if it's a technical port, or a packaging port :P19:01
crevetorfaenil: :) same here19:02
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crevetorGive me a package already !19:02
rZras requested :)19:03
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faenilrZr, do you have the MerSDK icon on the left?19:05
VDVsxwant you guys want to port anyway, just out of curiosity ? mer runs on n9 and everything is open isn't ?19:09
crevetorVDVsx: We don't want to port anything we juste want the Sailfish UX19:10
crevetorat least that's what I want :)19:10
VDVsxcrevetor, ok, so not porting needed I guess :)19:11
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crevetorVDVsx: nope, just the packages19:12
crevetoror the source19:12
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PraveenHello all19:18
Stskeepshello Praveen19:18
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CosmoHillStskeeps: you scared him off19:20
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[ol]Stskeeps: Hi again! Finally, I've succeeded cross-building gcc and eglibc for x86_64. Do you have any suggestions how to cross-build RPMs for target platform?19:24
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Stskeeps[ol]: congrats :) yes, now you'd want to rpm2cpio *.rpm | cpio -idv into a sysroot dir and sb2-init like you do in
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Stskeepsin that dir19:25
Stskeepsand try to rpmbuild for example acl there19:26
* lbt_ runs away19:26
[ol]Stskeeps: What packages content should I put there?19:26
Stskeeps[ol]: probably the libgcc and eglibc content for now, kernel-headers19:27
Stskeepsthat's something they can build against19:28
[ol]You mean, copy contents of /opt/cross/x86_64-meego-linux-gnu/sys-root into /parentroot/srv/mer/targets ?19:28
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Stskeepswell, or just re-use sys-root/19:28
Stskeepseither one works19:28
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Stskeepsand sb2-init in that, you have the cross compiler, so19:29
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[ol]Stskeeps: But I have just cross-compiter, not native compiler on target architecture.19:30
Stskeepsthat's fine19:31
Stskeepssb2 will redirect to your cross compiler19:31
[ol]Should I change something in /usr/share/kickstarter-configs ?19:32
Stskeepsno, "Target Setup" is the one you want to do19:32
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Stskeepsthe sb2-init line there.. no need for -C /usr/bin/qemu-arm-dynamic , and adjust /opt/cross/bin path19:32
Stskeepssb2-init -d -L "--sysroot=/" -C "--sysroot=/" -c /usr/bin/qemu-arm-dynamic -m sdk-build -n -N -t / mer-core /opt/cross/bin/armv7hl-meego-linux-gnueabi-gcc19:33
Stskeepssb2-init -d -L "--sysroot=/" -C "--sysroot=/" -m sdk-build -n -N -t / mer-core /opt/cross/bin/x86_64-meego-linux-gnu-gccc19:33
Stskeepslike that19:33
Stskeepswithout the last c ;)19:33
[ol]OK, I'll try.19:33
[ol]Is there a useful doc about SB2?19:34
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Stskeepsdocumentation wasn't their strongest side.. but explains it pretty well19:35
[ol]OK, thank you!19:36
Stskeepson what goes on19:36
Stskeepsquite old doc, so rely on man pages instead19:36
Stskeepsit's really powerful but also a bit underdocumented..19:36
[ol]Documenting is vital to attract new developers. Otherwise it remains tribal knowledge nobody else can use.19:38
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GeneralAntilles12 character limit on bugs.merproject.org20:28
[ol]Stskeeps: Uh oh.20:28
[ol]Unsupported target architecture: 'x86_64'20:28
[ol]You must add support for it into preload/sb_exec.c20:28
[ol]and utils/sb2-init20:28
GeneralAntilles(username limit)20:29
[ol]OK, I've fixed utils/sb2-init, but there's no preload/sb_exec.c file. Du you know where this file's functionality was moved?20:29
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CosmoHill12 chars?20:36
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[ol]Last time I was registering it was fixed to have 2 char username limit.20:38
CosmoHillthat explains your nick20:38
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[ol]Does anybody know where latest scratchbox2 and scratchbox2 RPM files git repos are located?20:43
[ol]The RPM files repo in mer-core/scratchbox2 seems to be little bit outdated...20:43
mikhasGeneralAntilles, I wish we'd have Bugzilla as a Service (to use my new marketing skills)20:45
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mikhasone password to rule them all20:45
mikhasit's the biggest advantage of github projects: their "issue tracker" is crap, but at least you don't need yet another account (for each new project)20:45
mikhasanyway, pub time20:46
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lbt_GeneralAntilles: ping me tomorrow re username21:15
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GeneralAntilleslbt_, OK. And congratulations, by the way.21:20
lbt_:) ty21:21
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ali1234i quite like github issue tracker. prefer it to bugzilla anyway :/21:26
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Bostikmeh, my left hand looks like something out of "Queer eye for the straight guy", in acid21:47
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lbt_'night all22:07
shmerlHi, and night :)22:08
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faeniloh, look who's there22:15
faenilhi MFaro-Tusino22:15
MFaro-Tusinohi faenil22:15
MFaro-Tusinojust woke up, thought i would see how things are progressnig22:16
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faenilMFaro-Tusino, yes there is progress, Stskeeps confirmed you there's no UI available atm22:16
faenilVDVsx, ping22:17
MFaro-Tusinoyep, which means that we need to build our own ui (using lipstick)22:17
faenilwell that's already there in Nemo..22:18
faenilwhat do you need another one for22:18
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VDVsxfaenil, pong22:20
faenilVDVsx, I just read your answer about the port thing, sorry22:21
shmerlThere is also Zephyr project for the future open UI.22:21
faenilporting is actually I word I used to be more understandable by's not a technical port for sure :)22:21
faenila word*22:21
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faenilVDVsx, anyway it's a pity I didn't have a chat with you today :)22:24
faenilI met almost all Jollaians22:24
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faenilVDVsx, alright, I think you're gone, good night :)22:31
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halVIII__I try 'git clone'22:47
halVIII__but certificate ssl is failled22:47
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SpeedEvilignore certificate22:52
SpeedEviland no, I don't know how to do that22:52
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SpeedEvilgit to the manual.22:52
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