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| vi___ | is there anyone here who has ever sucessfully created a flashable emmc image for the n900 with fiasco-gen? | 00:02 |
| vi___ | ever? | 00:02 |
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| CosmoHill | night night | 01:19 |
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| Macer | so is there a clear cut way to install mer/active onto a tf101 yet? | 02:00 |
| Macer | seems not | 02:03 |
| Macer | no infomation anywhere about it at least on bing | 02:03 |
| faenil | don't think so Macer :/ | 02:06 |
| faenil | though you should ask Stskeeps when he's active ;) i.e. in 4-5 hours | 02:06 |
| RaYmAn | how clear cut does it have to be? basic bringup with fbdev should be trivial. Getting accelerated drivers up is another matter | 02:07 |
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| Macer | RaYmAn: clear cut is running "install.sh" and it installs on your tf101 | 02:11 |
| Macer | :-P | 02:12 |
| RaYmAn | boring :P | 02:12 |
| Macer | realistic | 02:12 |
| Macer | that type of ease of install would bring end users to the project... something which it does not have | 02:12 |
| * Macer is wondering if other than a pc and a few very niche tablets if mer even runs on anything | 02:16 | |
| special | n9/n900/n950 | 02:17 |
| Macer | lol.... | 02:18 |
| * Macer points at the word niche | 02:18 | |
| Macer | there are probably like 500 n900s left.. nobody has an n950 | 02:18 |
| Macer | N9 ... maybe.. but that is still rather niche | 02:18 |
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| Macer | and active (which is probably the only valid ui for a tablet) has a 10 line section on "installing on arm systems" | 02:19 |
| Macer | http://community.kde.org/Plasma/Active/Installation#Install_Plasma_Active_on_ARM_Systems | 02:19 |
| special | you might be interested in libhybris | 02:20 |
| Macer | personally i'm interested in anything that works on a tablet tht isn't android, windows, or ios | 02:21 |
| Macer | something that still doesn't seem viable yet | 02:21 |
| Macer | unless it is some knockoff chinese tablet that is awful | 02:21 |
| RaYmAn | tegra2 actually does have vaguely viable native x11 driver | 02:21 |
| Macer | RaYmAn: yeah but i've yet to see any tablet easily run mer as an alternative with any ui :) | 02:22 |
| Macer | so the question has to be asked... what is going on with the mer project? who would want to run mer on a PC? | 02:22 |
| Macer | the focus i'm sure is "mobile devices" but there are few if any that can actually run it | 02:23 |
| RaYmAn | It kind of seems like you've misunderstood what mer is | 02:23 |
| Macer | not really | 02:28 |
| Macer | it is a mobile/embedded base | 02:28 |
| Macer | meant to be a beginning point for starting a mobile platform | 02:28 |
| RaYmAn | exactly. | 02:30 |
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| Macer | lol | 03:03 |
| Macer | point is... nobody or nothing uses it because there isnt any hardware for it :-) | 03:04 |
| wmarone | Macer: ah, being extra-negative and/or trolling again I see | 03:21 |
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| vgrade | guys hi, old faces here | 03:40 |
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| vgrade | adaptation news all the time on here | 03:42 |
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| Macer | wmarone: no. not really. being honest. there is a difference. | 04:04 |
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| wmarone | Macer: considering you aren't in here much I would be skeptical of your knowledge | 04:04 |
| Macer | be as skeptical as you want. but. you can ask yourself a simple question. what hardware... runs mer. | 04:05 |
| wmarone | Also, suggesting that there has to be hardware "for" something like Mer or it is unsuccessful is to completely miss the point | 04:05 |
| * Macer facepalm | 04:05 | |
| Macer | then what purpose would it serve? educational purposes only? | 04:06 |
| wmarone | to be adapted to platform vendors that have hardware but need an OS | 04:06 |
| wmarone | but unlike Android, Mer is not public-facing branding | 04:06 |
| * Macer points up to the question... what platform is running mer? | 04:06 | |
| wmarone | Macer: why are you in here? | 04:06 |
| Macer | to see if there has been progress in implementing mer onto any type of mainstream or existing hardware.. i check back every few months or so | 04:07 |
| wmarone | so you aren't in here for any constructive purpose | 04:07 |
| Macer | pointing out the fact there is a lack of progress is very constructive | 04:08 |
| wmarone | of course, any "mainstream" adaptation likely would not be discussed in here | 04:08 |
| wmarone | since that's vendor-specific | 04:08 |
| Macer | if you say so. if the mer project can get it running with collaboration with say.. plasma active... and show that it is a viable platform then it might gain traction | 04:08 |
| wmarone | unfortunately, other than Jolla using Mer we have no evidence either way | 04:09 |
| Macer | the problem is vendors already have drawn their lines | 04:10 |
| Macer | the only hope for mer is to find something where they can either get closed blobs or manage to implement it on hardware which is open | 04:10 |
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| Macer | neither of which seems even remotely possible | 04:10 |
| wmarone | Macer: that's not Mer's responsibility | 04:10 |
| * Macer facepalms again | 04:11 | |
| Macer | so you're expectin.. some random vendor to pop up.. and use mer for their base without promoting it whatsoever in order to show that it can work? :) | 04:11 |
| Macer | expecting | 04:11 |
| wmarone | Macer: well if you go beyond the world of handsets and tablets, sure, why not. | 04:11 |
| Macer | uhm. brain implants? | 04:12 |
| wmarone | Macer: get the fuck out | 04:12 |
| Macer | i was joking. | 04:12 |
| wmarone | no you're trolling, have been since you came in | 04:13 |
| wmarone | and I'm foolish enough to feed the troll | 04:13 |
| Macer | why is it when someone tries to point out a shortcoming it is automatically trolling | 04:13 |
| Macer | my points is there is nothing really mainstream that people can see using mer | 04:13 |
| wmarone | Macer: because you are arguing while it's plainly obvious you don't understand what Mer was designed for | 04:14 |
| Macer | with mer/active probably being hte best possible solution for a nice alternative to what is readily available | 04:14 |
| Macer | but no real push to actually.. make it work on something :) | 04:14 |
| wmarone | Mer works on many things, albeit unofficially. | 04:15 |
| * Macer stares at the mer website | 04:16 | |
| Macer | maybe you should put down what it runs on and how to run it.. maybe that might be a good starts so you can have people actually ... you know.. using it | 04:17 |
| wmarone | most people don't need to worry about Mer | 04:17 |
| wmarone | it's not an end-user product | 04:17 |
| Macer | they do if they want to make a platform for others | 04:17 |
| Macer | you will not find a vendor in existance that will stray from android, ios, or win8 without seeing something viable | 04:17 |
| Macer | something that has yet to be done with something using mer as a base | 04:18 |
| wmarone | your myopia is saddening | 04:18 |
| wmarone | you can't think beyond tablets or handsets | 04:18 |
| Macer | what else is there? medical equipment? PCs (which already have very viable and stronger OSes already) ? | 04:18 |
| Macer | car dashboards? | 04:18 |
| wmarone | set top boxes, kiosks, in car, numerous embedded uses | 04:19 |
| Macer | all of which either use proprietary stuff or something that is already mainstream and shown to work | 04:19 |
| wmarone | Macer: you'd think it was proprietary, a lot of it uses Linux as it is | 04:19 |
| Macer | sure. and of all the embedded platforms i can't think of any that use mer. is there a mer based pi distro? | 04:20 |
| wmarone | so why build an entire Linux core in house when you can adopt one that exists, complete with everything you need for your UI | 04:20 |
| wmarone | There are Pi builds yes | 04:20 |
| Macer | where? | 04:20 |
| wmarone | http://qt-project.org/wiki/Qt-RaspberryPi | 04:21 |
| wmarone | Macer: now then, I'm growing tired of your unproductive, sad excuse of a "constructive argument" | 04:22 |
| Macer | most fat people stay fat because nobody tells them they are obease | 04:23 |
| Macer | ridicule is a good motivator | 04:24 |
| Macer | sorry if you are angry but the mer project has been around for quite a while and i am waiting to see something productive for an end user that uses it as a base and i have yet to see anything nor has there been a major push to get it running on existing mainstream hardware (yes.. those phones and tablets you seem to not think are important) | 04:26 |
| Macer | albeit... unofficially | 04:26 |
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| Macer | i remember seeing mer running active running on a tf101 on a youtube video months ago.. you would think this would have been a huge deal and a very important step.. but both projects simply disregarded it | 04:28 |
| Macer | having people able to install it on the tf101 would have shown that people can actually use mer as a base and active as a ui on a good piece of hardware ... at the very least it would show promise. anyways. i'll check back in 6 months or so again :) good luck. | 04:29 |
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| lpotter | heh | 04:43 |
| * lpotter fires up mer on his n900 just because | 04:44 | |
| wmarone | guess he gave up | 05:02 |
| wmarone | ignore lists are so, so helpful | 05:02 |
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| Stskeeps | morn | 06:25 |
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| situ | Morning everyone | 08:43 |
| Stskeeps | morn situ :) | 08:43 |
| situ | What's up ? | 08:45 |
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| Stskeeps | not much.. waking up | 08:46 |
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| lbt | morning all | 09:56 |
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| rc_ | morning lbt | 09:58 |
| CosmoHill | .o/ | 09:58 |
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| Guest4308 | qui est la ? | 10:35 |
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| Guest4308 | il y a quelqu'un | 10:36 |
| dm8tbr | maybe if you'd try in english? | 10:36 |
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| iekku | dm8tbr, :D | 10:46 |
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| dm8tbr | maybe he was just looking for the sea... | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | a beach and a drink in my hand does sound tempting atm | 10:52 |
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| kulve | I wrote a hackis sensorfw plugin but I can't get it even loaded.. | 13:07 |
| kulve | +h | 13:08 |
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| kulve | last commit in there is two years old | 13:21 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, we're looking to potentially replace it | 13:23 |
| kulve | with what? | 13:24 |
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| Stskeeps | there's this idea of a 'statefs' thing, a bit loosely defined at the moment, but the impact is filesystem based access to some typical state things, potentially sensors too | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | where it's easy to write plugins for.. it's also a replacement for contextkit | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | and mce | 13:26 |
| kulve | ok | 13:30 |
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| kulve | so many frameworks created and forgotten by N | 13:44 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 13:44 |
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| rc_ | yay, looks like dual boot functionality for n9 is already in present moslo | 13:51 |
| rc_ | one just needs to have the right files at the right place | 13:51 |
| rc_ | :) | 13:51 |
| rc_ | Aard, ^ | 13:51 |
| rc_ | now, that's great :D | 13:52 |
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| rc_ | bbl | 13:53 |
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| dm8tbr | wasn't that even explained on the wiki? | 14:00 |
| Aard | in the wiki it's only explained for n950 | 14:04 |
| Aard | which works different | 14:04 |
| dm8tbr | ORLY? interesting... | 14:05 |
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| vgrade | morning | 15:36 |
| r-A | moorniing! | 15:39 |
| lbt | hey vgrade | 15:41 |
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| jwalck | Didn't notice that I had fallen out of here, woops!:) | 15:57 |
| CosmoHill | :o | 15:58 |
| CosmoHill | vgrade: that's one hell of a lie in | 15:58 |
| CosmoHill | it's getting dark now :p | 15:58 |
| Stskeeps | jwalck: welcome back, then! | 16:03 |
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| lbt | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?project=Mer%3ATools :( | 16:09 |
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| jwalck | Stskeeps: thanks! I crashed one of my n9s against the curb yesterday, so picked up my n900 to see in what shape I could get it:) | 16:52 |
| jwalck | and no, one should not drop big pieces of glas against asphalt! | 16:53 |
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| Stskeeps | yep | 16:59 |
| jwalck | first thing I noticed when putting a clean 20121101.1 image on this n900, doesn't seem to handle incoming nor outgoing texts/calls at all. Is this still the state of things? the 3G data connection works out of the box!:) | 17:02 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 17:02 |
| Stskeeps | i think it may be a temporarily broken state | 17:02 |
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| jwalck | Stskeeps: alright, but there is some hope? I was planning on playing with SIP on it otherwise.:) I guess any discussions around that belong in the sister channel? | 17:06 |
| jwalck | with that* being getting cellular calls/texts working | 17:07 |
| Stskeeps | #nemomobile and poke alterego with a stick :) | 17:08 |
| Stskeeps | it should really work | 17:08 |
| Stskeeps | he might be on a plane though or afk | 17:08 |
| jwalck | Stskeeps: cool, thanks! | 17:11 |
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| vgrade | CosmoHill: very late night | 17:43 |
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| iekku | umh, i'm not sure if i can host bug triages next 2 weeks | 18:22 |
| iekku | host / chair | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | let's see how things work and how many show up, i guess | 18:22 |
| iekku | do i send the invitations anyway or? | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | i think it's good to send them, but say that many are a bit busy this week so whoever shows up can help triage | 18:26 |
| Stskeeps | according to instructions on page | 18:26 |
| iekku | ok, i will send invitation | 18:29 |
| iekku | i might be able to join, but can't promise | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 18:30 |
| vgrade | anyone having osc ci issues? Server returned an error: HTTP Error 504: Gateway Time-out | 18:31 |
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| Stskeeps | evening sivang | 20:04 |
| sivang | moo Stskeeps :) | 20:05 |
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| rc_ | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing#Persistent_Single_Boot_by_Flashing_the_Dual_Boot | 20:21 |
| rc_ | just updated the wiki with instructions how to dual boot on n9 | 20:21 |
| rc_ | :) | 20:21 |
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| w00t | rc_: cool | 20:24 |
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| rc_ | w00t, yeah, was very happy to discover that the required functionality is already in the current moslo.. you just need to put two files in the right directory and voila :) | 20:26 |
| rc_ | otoh.. there seem to be problems with telephony and sms :/ | 20:29 |
| w00t | problems how? special might have some clues | 20:33 |
| rc_ | pin entry works but then telephony and sms fails | 20:34 |
| rc_ | the operator logo appears correctly and the signal strength indicator also seems to work, though | 20:35 |
| w00t | sounds like telepathy-ring is playing up | 20:35 |
| w00t | open accounts ui application | 20:35 |
| w00t | do you have a "ring/tel/account0" account listed | 20:36 |
| w00t | (... I'm assuming you're running nemo) | 20:36 |
| rc_ | nope, no ring/tel/account0 | 20:36 |
| rc_ | yep, running nemo | 20:36 |
| w00t | sounds related then | 20:36 |
| * w00t isn't entirely sure how to create it | 20:36 | |
| w00t | and special just went out - bad timing | 20:36 |
| w00t | open a bug and cc him | 20:37 |
| rc_ | roger, will do | 20:37 |
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| rc_ | https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=578 | 20:48 |
| Merbot | Nemo bug 578 in Dialer "Telephony and SMS are not working." [Normal,New] | 20:48 |
| rc_ | jfyi | 20:48 |
| special | is nemo on user sessions yet? | 20:48 |
| special | rc_: if you don't mind, try running /usr/bin/ensure-tpring-account.sh (ideally not over ssh, to make sure the dbus session is correct) and reboot | 20:49 |
| special | will be back in ~30min | 20:49 |
| rc_ | special, sure, will give it a try | 20:49 |
| w00t | special: yes, it is | 20:53 |
| rc_ | ah, sweet, that did the trick :) | 20:53 |
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| special | rc_: excellent | 21:13 |
| special | I'll update the bug with details on what we need to do | 21:13 |
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