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| CosmoHill | night night | 00:28 |
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| iekku | morning | 07:05 |
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| vgrade | morning | 08:01 |
| Stskeeps | vgrade: how far did you get in investigations? | 08:01 |
| vgrade | Stskeeps: morning | 08:03 |
| vgrade | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/view_file?file=0002-add-unicode-for-special-characters.patch&package=qtbase&project=home%3Avgrade%3Abranches%3AMer%3AMDS%3ACore&rev=c5f4d8074354658f4bee74fc05abf5bd | 08:03 |
| Stskeeps | oh so it was simply that there was no unicode representation for them? | 08:04 |
| vgrade | seems the unicode values in http://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qtbase/blobs/master/src/platformsupport/input/evdevkeyboard/qevdevkeyboard_defaultmap_p.h | 08:04 |
| vgrade | were set to 0xffff | 08:04 |
| vgrade | well not that simple | 08:05 |
| vgrade | I rebuilt qtbase with that patch and I got no change | 08:05 |
| vgrade | until i added -plugin evdevkeyboard | 08:05 |
| vgrade | then I got return key to work | 08:05 |
| vgrade | thing is that I get double characters now, so it seems that there is another code path doing the same thing | 08:06 |
| vgrade | I think it gets picked up in the eglfsintegration within the rpi plugin | 08:07 |
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| Stskeeps | hmmm | 08:07 |
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| vgrade | I'll look further later, Matt is at bowling competition this morning | 08:09 |
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| Stskeeps | vgrade: very mysterious bug | 08:17 |
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| kulve | I wonder how to use /dev/iio\:device0.. | 08:54 |
| Stskeeps | industrial i/o? | 08:54 |
| kulve | I think that's mpu6050 in the n7 | 08:55 |
| kulve | there's a bunch of files related to that under /sys and it seems to be enabled. But I haven't yet figured out how to actually get some data | 08:56 |
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| kulve | device0 is for acc/gyro (i.e. mpu6050) and the device1 is for magn, which might be handled through the mpu6050 as well | 08:59 |
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| kulve | Stskeeps: and yes, it seems to be industrial i/o interface.. | 09:14 |
| Stskeeps | how does android read it? | 09:16 |
| kulve | I was hoping now to go that way :) | 09:17 |
| kulve | that seems to be a standard way of reading any orientation sensors etc, so the user-space may not actually even need to know what the actual chip is | 09:17 |
| kulve | which is nice, ofc | 09:17 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: i recall the debate | 09:18 |
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| Stskeeps | of where those sensors belong | 09:18 |
| kulve | drivers/staging/iio/Documentation/sysfs-bus-iio | 09:18 |
| kulve | (at least in this kernel) | 09:18 |
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| kulve | in which rpm does strace come in? In from which repo? | 09:22 |
| kulve | Mer:Tools (I know how to use search nowadays) | 09:23 |
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| kulve | "Temperature is in degrees Celsius scaled by 2^16": 1889639 / 2^16 == 28.8°C. Sounds OK | 10:00 |
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| Stskeeps | warm | 10:14 |
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| CosmoHill | as a mac user, that sounds cold | 10:28 |
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| kulve | sensors seem to be up'n'running, self-test tells that acc and gyro are OK and so on, but I don't get any data.. | 10:47 |
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| kulve | need to spend more time with android/hardware/invensense/libsensors_iio/software/simple_apps/mpu_iio/mpu_iio.c I guess | 10:48 |
| Stskeeps | perhaps they need to be activated? | 10:48 |
| kulve | accl_enable == 1, gyro_enable == 1, buffer/length == 16, buffer/enable == 1. The last two I enabled with echo, everything else seems to be on by default. The buffer/enable was referred as "master enable" somewhere | 10:49 |
| Stskeeps | hnm | 10:50 |
| kulve | but I'm sure the can be quite a lot to tweak still | 10:50 |
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| kulve | and I'm assuming that the raw sensors should work even without the DMP firmware (the part that does all the math inside the MPU chips) | 10:51 |
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| kulve | I do know that they work without the DMP firmware in the hw level but I don't know what the kernel driver assumes | 10:51 |
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| lbt | morning all | 11:28 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | hi lbt | 11:29 |
| * lbt stretches .... | 11:29 | |
| lbt | late night Tango ... good for the soul ... bad for the bags under your eyes :D | 11:29 |
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| kulve | I modified that mpu test app a bit and it can read now sensor data from /dev | 12:24 |
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| kulve | anybody familiar with sensorfw? Assuming I would like to add some glue code for it to understand Industrial I/O sensors, how to start? | 12:58 |
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| Stskeeps | https://gitorious.org/sensorfw/sensorfw/blobs/master/doc/PLUGIN-INSTRUCTIONS | 13:10 |
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| kulve | Doesn't look too complicated. The adaptor for l3g4200dh seems to be 265 lines of which file headers are a big part | 13:26 |
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| Venemo | who was the guy who started working on Mer for Nexus 7? | 14:10 |
| Venemo | I haven't heard about him for some time now | 14:10 |
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| vgrade | Venemo: kulve | 14:10 |
| Venemo | ah | 14:11 |
| Venemo | so what's up with the stuff kulve? :) | 14:11 |
| kulve | trying to figure out how to add a standard(?) Industrial I/O sensor adaptor for sensorfw | 14:16 |
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| Venemo | ah | 14:17 |
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| vgrade | Stskeeps: yat working now on eglfsrpi but needs a review | 15:13 |
| Stskeeps | ok, what was the fix? | 15:13 |
| vgrade | Stskeeps: the eglfs plugin which I used as a basis for eglfsrpi has these lines http://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qtbase/blobs/master/src/plugins/platforms/eglfs/qeglfsintegration.cpp#line77 | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | and they break stuff? | 15:15 |
| vgrade | If I remove these lines from the eglfsrpi code I can then run yat with -platform eglfsrpi -plugin evdevkeyboard | 15:15 |
| vgrade | so gone are the double characters and return backspace work | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | + the unicode fix you had? | 15:16 |
| vgrade | yes | 15:16 |
| vgrade | what I can't fathom is why with those 3 lines included it does just not pick up the unicode fix | 15:17 |
| Stskeeps | think it's something to discuss with sroedal | 15:18 |
| Stskeeps | so the diagnosis is that somehow, the unicode conversion of backspace doesn't work, but it doesn't work when initialized in eglfs with the lines there? | 15:18 |
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| vgrade | but works with those lines removed from eglfsrpi and -plugin evdevkeyboard | 15:22 |
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| Stskeeps | bizarre | 15:24 |
| vgrade | I'll spend some more time on it | 15:25 |
| Stskeeps | same lines are in beta1 fwiw | 15:27 |
| vgrade | beta2 | 15:28 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, too | 15:28 |
| vgrade | so need to see what the evdevkeyboard plugin does differntly to those 3 lines in eglfs | 15:30 |
| vgrade | well one line really the new QEvdevKeyboardManager... | 15:31 |
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| * lbt wonders how people create 17Mb ppt files | 15:34 | |
| lbt | meego sf2011 slides found - no videos - think they're on LF machines | 15:36 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, they're on video.linux.com aren't the | 15:50 |
| Stskeeps | y | 15:50 |
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| SouL_ | Hi. | 15:57 |
| Stskeeps | heya | 15:58 |
| SouL_ | Mer is fully open source? | 16:00 |
| Stskeeps | yup | 16:01 |
| SouL_ | Ok, thank you. | 16:01 |
| Stskeeps | how do you hope to use it? | 16:01 |
| SouL_ | I'm not a manufacturer of hardware, I'm just a user of an Android Tablet that is doing a research of something open source for replace Android. I'm a Debian Desktop user and a sympathizer of Open Source Software | 16:04 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 16:04 |
| SouL_ | :nod:? I don't see emoticons xD | 16:07 |
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| Stskeeps | just means that i agree :) | 16:07 |
| kulve | but you can visualize them :) | 16:07 |
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| SouL_ | I'm using Psi, that is a XMPP software but it's able to enter in irc chatrooms | 16:08 |
| SouL_ | By the way, I think that what I want is not possible. My tablet is a Hyundai A7 | 16:09 |
| Stskeeps | hyundai .. what chipset is that? | 16:10 |
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| SouL_ | Chip Quanzhi A10 | 16:11 |
| SouL_ | This? | 16:11 |
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| SouL_ | Check this please: http://pastebin.com/z4BM6yU7 | 16:12 |
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| vgrade | Stskeeps: got it it think, libQtPlatformSupport.a | 16:15 |
| vgrade | got to rebuild my eglfsrpi plugin with qtbase with the unicode fix | 16:16 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 16:16 |
| Stskeeps | right | 16:16 |
| Stskeeps | so it's "just" the unicode fix? | 16:17 |
| vgrade | thats why people don't like .a I suppose | 16:17 |
| Stskeeps | SouL_: allwinner - generally, you need the kernel source | 16:17 |
| Stskeeps | right | 16:17 |
| vgrade | think so, | 16:17 |
| Stskeeps | vgrade: feel free to send the patch to gerrit | 16:17 |
| Stskeeps | and i think we need to discuss to send it upstream | 16:17 |
| vgrade | scary | 16:18 |
| SouL_ | Stskeeps: It's available this kernel source? I mean, it's possible to install Mer on my Tablet? O_O | 16:18 |
| Stskeeps | SouL_: to install mer you definately need to be able to build your own kernel and flash it, and your own root file system of choice | 16:20 |
| SouL_ | And it's possible to do that with my Tablet, Stskeeps? Sorry for my newbie questions. | 16:21 |
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| Stskeeps | SouL_: that i don't know, you'd have to research yourself :) | 16:23 |
| vgrade | SouL_: usually A10 have ability to boot from sdcard, see http://linux-sunxi.org/Main_Page and https://github.com/linux-sunxi | 16:23 |
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| vgrade | SouL_: I booted mer and nemomobile on an A10 based STB recently | 16:24 |
| SouL_ | Stskeeps: So if I don't know how to write a Kernel I cannot do it? | 16:24 |
| SouL_ | vgrade: Thank you, please, give me time to see what is that xDD | 16:24 |
| Stskeeps | SouL_: it's not very easy yes | 16:24 |
| SouL_ | :( | 16:25 |
| SouL_ | vgrade: Booting from sdcard.. I need the same things? | 16:25 |
| SouL_ | Or it's like a double booting? | 16:26 |
| SouL_ | dual* sorry | 16:26 |
| vgrade | SouL_: not dual booting, you have kernel and rootfs on sdcard. A10 chip checks sdcard first and if its correctly formatted boots from there | 16:27 |
| vgrade | if not justs boots andriod | 16:27 |
| SouL_ | Ahh ok | 16:27 |
| SouL_ | In any case, I'm not a programmer, I can't write a Kernel so.. | 16:28 |
| SouL_ | I don't think that other writted something for me because is not very popular | 16:28 |
| vgrade | SouL_: #arm-netbooks irc channel is the best place to ask for further details for your tablet | 16:29 |
| SouL_ | Ok, thank you very much. | 16:29 |
| SouL_ | What server? | 16:30 |
| SouL_ | freenode? | 16:30 |
| vgrade | yes | 16:30 |
| vgrade | sorry #arm-netbook | 16:31 |
| SouL_ | Ahh ok, I'm alone in arm-netbooks xD | 16:31 |
| SouL_ | Thank you :) | 16:31 |
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| vi___ | Stskeeps: ping | 16:51 |
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| vgrade | Stskeeps: the .a was the issue so its just the unicode patch, I'll submit to gerrit probably tomorrow, I'm on the beers later | 17:02 |
| Stskeeps | vi___: pong | 17:02 |
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| vi___ | Stskeeps: good evening stskeeps. | 17:03 |
| Stskeeps | vi___: good evening :) what's up? | 17:04 |
| vi___ | I am wondering if you could perhaps help me with understanding how the layout file works in fiasco-gen? | 17:04 |
| Stskeeps | what device? | 17:05 |
| vi___ | Looking at the layout file, it does not actually specify where the included filesystem is to be flashed to. | 17:05 |
| vi___ | n900 | 17:05 |
| vi___ | The best example is the nokia pr1.3 emmc image. | 17:05 |
| vi___ | It comes with this layout file: | 17:05 |
| vi___ | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1031932&postcount=2 | 17:05 |
| vi___ | The emmc image contains this layout followed by a filesystem called 'mmc' | 17:06 |
| vi___ | As far as I can tell mmc is simply a fat32 image. | 17:06 |
| vi___ | This image is written as mydocs. | 17:06 |
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| vi___ | What I do not understand is where it is specified that the mmc image should be written to mydocs. | 17:07 |
| vi___ | which leads to: | 17:07 |
| CosmoHill | hi | 17:07 |
| vi___ | How do I specify which image gets written to each partition in the layout file? | 17:07 |
| Stskeeps | vi___: i don't know, sadly | 17:08 |
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| vi___ | mmm | 17:08 |
| Stskeeps | and all my sources for finding it out is no longer accessible, as i'm no longer affiliated to nokia in any way | 17:08 |
| vi___ | do you know if there is any documentation freely available? | 17:08 |
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| Stskeeps | not to my knowledge | 17:09 |
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| vi___ | bah! | 17:09 |
| vi___ | Thank you for your time anyway! | 17:09 |
| Stskeeps | i never got much into n900's emmc image | 17:10 |
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| Stskeeps | and i would just make a kernel+initrd flasher myself | 17:10 |
| vi___ | Stskeeps: well it turns out the entire emmc is just junk. | 17:11 |
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| Stskeeps | hello Kenkakuman :) | 17:16 |
| Kenkakuman | Hiii | 17:17 |
| Stskeeps | Kenkakuman: welcome to #mer :) so what brings you here? | 17:17 |
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| Stskeeps | hello cheng | 17:26 |
| cheng | hi | 17:26 |
| SouL_ | Hi cheng | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | cheng: welcome to #mer :) so what interests you in Mer? | 17:27 |
| CosmoHill | hi SouL_ | 17:27 |
| cheng | saw SouL_ post on arm=netbook channel, so come over to explore about mer | 17:28 |
| Stskeeps | ah :) | 17:28 |
| cheng | first time hear about mer | 17:29 |
| Stskeeps | if you have any questions, feel free to ask at any time | 17:29 |
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| Stskeeps | else feel free to hang out | 17:29 |
| Stskeeps | did you see vgrade's video of mer with nemo ui on top on a10? | 17:29 |
| SouL_ | Yes, I'm asking something on arm-netbook because vgrade said that to me | 17:30 |
| CosmoHill | Stskeeps: i don't trust addi, they've been kicked from freenode from flooding | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | CosmoHill: people's clients act badly at times | 17:30 |
| SouL_ | But I don't understand nothing hehe | 17:30 |
| CosmoHill | SouL_: double negative :p | 17:31 |
| cheng | can share the video of mer? | 17:31 |
| SouL_ | Sorry, I study english by myself | 17:31 |
| CosmoHill | ah sorry | 17:32 |
| Stskeeps | cheng: so, mer is 'just' a core, but many different ui are built on top - are you able to view youtube videos? | 17:32 |
| SouL_ | CosmoHill: So, what is the correct way for saying that? | 17:32 |
| CosmoHill | "i don't understand anything" | 17:33 |
| SouL_ | Ohh | 17:33 |
| SouL_ | Ok, thank you, CosmoHill | 17:33 |
| cheng | yes, i can view youtube | 17:34 |
| CosmoHill | my english isn't that good btw | 17:34 |
| Stskeeps | cheng: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWFvkZniHZc | 17:39 |
| Stskeeps | that's the nemo ui | 17:39 |
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| cheng | thanks, will dig into that later on. for now..sleep time. | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | sleep well | 17:42 |
| CosmoHill | night night | 17:42 |
| cheng | thanks guys, good day to you all. | 17:43 |
| SouL_ | vgrade: Are you still here? | 17:43 |
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| lbt | phaeron: ping | 17:44 |
| vgrade | SouL_: always, | 17:44 |
| SouL_ | vgrade: Why the people in arm-netbook are so rumpy? | 17:45 |
| SouL_ | grumpy* | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | SouL_: there's different communities and different moods.. here we try to have a welcoming atmosphere but also that people understand we won't do all the work for them | 17:46 |
| SouL_ | I don't want to they work for me.. | 17:48 |
| vgrade | SouL_: I think what you were asking for does not exist as a guide as no one is familiar with your tablet. Hang around, read as much as possible | 17:48 |
| SouL_ | But | 17:48 |
| SouL_ | Nothing.. | 17:49 |
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| vgrade | SouL_: the IRC logs of that channel are here, http://irclog.whitequark.org/arm-netbook/2012-11-17 | 17:51 |
| vgrade | dig around | 17:52 |
| vgrade | the guys need to know certain specific things about your hardware to help which will require you have access to the serial port on your device. So thats a good area of reaseach | 17:53 |
| SouL_ | Dig for what? I'm asking for what I have to do to install Mer on a Hyundai A7 tablet, if it's possible. What I have to search for? :S | 17:53 |
| SouL_ | Maybe the problem is that a few people bought this tablet. | 17:53 |
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| vgrade | http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/TTL-to-USB-debug-board/511685_542914515.html is the sort of thing you need once you have discovered if your device gives access to the serial signals | 17:56 |
| SouL_ | Ahm... And how I use this? | 17:58 |
| SouL_ | How I know if my device gives access to the serial signals? | 17:58 |
| vgrade | SouL_: you connect it to the serail port on your device at one end and to your PC/LAPTOP UBS port. Then use a terminal program see the boot sequence. | 18:03 |
| Stskeeps | hardware adaptation is a difficult job :) | 18:03 |
| vgrade | 1) google 2) take your device apart | 18:03 |
| SouL_ | Hm.. | 18:04 |
| SouL_ | I can do something without knowledge? | 18:05 |
| phaeron | lbt: pong | 18:05 |
| vgrade | SouL_: probably not | 18:05 |
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| lbt | phaeron: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=sdk-webapp&project=home%3Albt%3Abranches%3AMer%3ATools%3ATesting | 18:06 |
| SouL_ | Thank you for your support vgrade and Stskeeps | 18:06 |
| RzR | SouL_, using RPI's uart should do the trick too | 18:06 |
| phaeron | lbt: no comment | 18:11 |
| lbt | ok | 18:12 |
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| vgrade | SouL_: http://s1096.beta.photobucket.com/user/nekoprime/library/Hyundai%20A7HD | 18:17 |
| sledges | I thought that will be a picture of a car |) | 18:19 |
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| vgrade | http://s1096.beta.photobucket.com/user/nekoprime/media/Hyundai%20A7HD/A7HD-AllWinner-A10-processor_1024.jpg.html?sort=3&o=22 the 4 pads at the bottom left corner look promising | 18:23 |
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| vgrade | SouL_: http://ossfans.org/a7hd_serial.jpg | 18:31 |
| vgrade | SouL_: http://linux-sunxi.org/Hyundai_A7HD , that your tablet? | 18:32 |
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| vgrade | oh he's gone | 19:19 |
| vgrade | night all , time for beer | 19:21 |
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| Stskeeps | nite vgrade | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | have a good one :) | 19:22 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: you should see https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=sdk-webapp&project=home%3Albt%3Abranches%3AMer%3ATools%3ATesting too | 19:27 |
| Stskeeps | does it involve ruby? | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | if so, not on weekends | 19:28 |
| lbt | no ruby | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | ok, gitpkg in obs? | 19:29 |
| lbt | yep | 19:29 |
| lbt | makes the process *much* easier | 19:29 |
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| * CosmoHill just seen some people install ipad into their car | 19:33 | |
| CosmoHill | like, proper install, not tapped to the dash | 19:33 |
| lbt | yeah .. that's mainly dim | 19:34 |
| CosmoHill | they replaced the head unit with it and hooked it up to an amp, looks like a factory install | 19:35 |
| CosmoHill | as far as 10" screens go | 19:35 |
| lbt | extremely closed platform means very hard to adapt to 'modding' - so ultimately a dead-end | 19:35 |
| lbt | plus they're expensive - and you even waste most of the styling by putting them in a dash | 19:36 |
| lbt | so meh ... | 19:36 |
| CosmoHill | i think it was a gen1 with a dead battery | 19:36 |
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| CosmoHill | hi leinir | 22:27 |
| leinir | Hullos :) | 22:29 |
| CosmoHill | how are you? | 22:30 |
| leinir | Not at all bad, thanks! :) | 22:30 |
| leinir | Submitted my first app to uhm... i'm afraid a competing platform's future flagship ;) | 22:31 |
| leinir | and our house purchase is progressing slowly but surely towards, well, completion :) | 22:31 |
| CosmoHill | cool | 22:31 |
| leinir | And yourself? :) | 22:31 |
| CosmoHill | up and down more more good days than bad this week :) | 22:32 |
| leinir | Well, more good than bad is, on average, pretty good - glad to hear it! :) | 22:32 |
| CosmoHill | changed the brakes on my car today, feels great to drive and I'm pleased that I did it myself (supervised of course) | 22:33 |
| leinir | Nicely! :) | 22:36 |
| CosmoHill | been screwed up for years :/ | 22:37 |
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| lbt | hey leinir | 23:10 |
| leinir | 'sup? :) | 23:10 |
| lbt | busy on the SDK | 23:10 |
| leinir | Nicely :) | 23:10 |
| lbt | yeah - going quite well | 23:10 |
| lbt | so - competing platform eh? | 23:10 |
| lbt | which one? | 23:11 |
| leinir | Well, bb10 :) | 23:11 |
| lbt | oh, nice | 23:11 |
| lbt | so a Qt app ? | 23:11 |
| leinir | *nods* Doing that bb10 game port-a-thon thing they got going on :) | 23:11 |
| leinir | Yeah, it's a port of my p l a n e t s game from ggj earlier this year :) | 23:11 |
| lbt | so... any chance of getting that on Nemo ? | 23:11 |
| lbt | would like to get some support on where the SDK needs work (and I know it needs a fair bit to be app-dev ready) | 23:12 |
| leinir | http://archive.globalgamejam.org/2012/p-l-n-e-t-s | 23:12 |
| CosmoHill | lbt: know anything about port and poshing in a car? | 23:12 |
| leinir | it was originally built for harmattan, pure qt quick, so... well, i guess there's a chance :) | 23:13 |
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| lbt | CosmoHill: err, no? | 23:20 |
| CosmoHill | okay | 23:20 |
| lbt | poshing | 23:20 |
| lbt | ? | 23:20 |
| lbt | or do you mean polishing inlet/exhaust ports ? | 23:21 |
| CosmoHill | yes | 23:22 |
| CosmoHill | the latter | 23:22 |
| lbt | it's fun to do if you rip the engine open that much | 23:22 |
| lbt | it's also easy to bugger up the valve seating and end up much worse off :) | 23:23 |
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| CosmoHill | how about smoothing the exhaust manifold? | 23:23 |
| CosmoHill | i got lots of spare time and little performace | 23:24 |
| lbt | nah - too long ago... I just buy supercharged V8s.... much easier :D | 23:26 |
| CosmoHill | people don't like me driving the 1.4 that i have | 23:27 |
| CosmoHill | but for some reason it's only an extra £200 for a 3.0 boxer engine :/ | 23:27 |
| CosmoHill | lbt: i got a question for you (a non-car one) | 23:30 |
| CosmoHill | [19:55] <compnerd> Berzerkula: whats the difference between coreutils's, procps's, and util-linux's kill? | 23:30 |
| lbt | essentially nothing | 23:33 |
| lbt | oh, and you forgot bash builtin 'kill' | 23:34 |
| lbt | which can handle %n | 23:34 |
| CosmoHill | this kill would be used by other programs | 23:36 |
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