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| vladmaster99 | all is quiet | 04:07 |
| vladmaster99 | n900 screen to small . looking for small mer(maemo) / Android dual boot tablet or phonelet. 4.5' to 7' | 04:11 |
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| vladmaster99 | hi coffe | 04:19 |
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| Jake9xx | morning | 05:18 |
| chriadam | gmorning | 05:19 |
| kulve | Stskeeps: looks like my mtev driver didn't work because I branched it off from CE:Adaptation:N950-N9 and it doesn't seem the contain the fixes in the upstream | 05:20 |
| kulve | although the version number is a bit odd.. | 05:24 |
| situ | Morning everyone | 05:30 |
| chriadam | gmorning | 05:37 |
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| Stskeeps | morn | 06:15 |
| Stskeeps | kulve: hmm, worth keeping in mind | 06:15 |
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| zuh | Stskeeps: Morning | 06:17 |
| Stskeeps | morn zuh | 06:17 |
| zuh | Stskeeps: before-coffee quiz: how would one checkout libx11 sources? It seems to not be present "regularly" on the COBS? | 06:18 |
| Stskeeps | zuh: right, so, because we had much fun with meego.com obs network connectivity being crap, we utilize a system called MDS (mer distribution system) which acts like a remote OBS inside the OBS, containing cached binaries and sources matching releases, so it doesn't show up in searches as it isn't on that OBS. https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Contribution_in_detail#Branch_the_package_to_work_on_it | 06:20 |
| Stskeeps | is what'll help you | 06:20 |
| zuh | o_O | 06:23 |
| zuh | never a dull day with mer... ;) | 06:23 |
| zuh | Thanks! | 06:23 |
| Stskeeps | there's reasons behind it, linked OBS'es could loose entire work days for big teams when it was acting up | 06:23 |
| Stskeeps | -> many many thousand eur waste | 06:24 |
| Stskeeps | d | 06:24 |
| zuh | That would indeed be a major suck :) | 06:25 |
| zuh | http://pastie.org/5386191 <- tried with i486 but the same error... | 06:26 |
| zuh | ls seems to work though | 06:26 |
| zuh | eh, and I did try branch first, not "co" as that paste says | 06:26 |
| zuh | the same error came with branch | 06:27 |
| Stskeeps | libX11 | 06:27 |
| Stskeeps | gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb | 06:27 |
| zuh | ah, yes now it works. | 06:27 |
| * Stskeeps passes the coffee pot to zuh | 06:28 | |
| * zuh grabs the pot and downs it in one go | 06:29 | |
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| Stskeeps | in other news, http://www.pcworld.com/article/2014089/google-targets-android-fragmentation-with-updated-terms-for-sdk.html is just evil | 06:32 |
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| Skry | agreed, though there has been a lot of evil happening in the linux ecosystem lately | 06:38 |
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| Skry | .. and just when I typed that, comes the latest from moronix: "for at least one of Lenovo's computer models, their UEFI implementation is explicitly checking for Windows or Red Hat Enterprise Linux and refusing to boot the UEFI-installed system if neither operating system is reported." | 06:43 |
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| Stskeeps | heh | 06:44 |
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| * deztructor hopes uefi leads to new antitrust case against m$ | 06:54 | |
| ka6sox | takes *years* to litigate that..unless they get a preliminary injunction. | 06:54 |
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| Jake9xx | Stskeeps: yup, they managed to build their 'world' by letting all vendors having their way on the device and forcing only to "use google services" | 08:17 |
| Stskeeps | hint: vt.global_cursor_default=0 is a godsend to remove a cursor | 08:29 |
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| ka6sox | is there any reason to get an older KS file than 0.20120920.1? | 08:33 |
| Stskeeps | just update it to say the latest version and slap lbt for not having made kickstarts | 08:33 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:33 |
| Stskeeps | it's same .ks | 08:33 |
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| Bostik | that SDK change... when did "do no evil" turn to "don't give an inch"? | 08:35 |
| ka6sox | interesting that the SDK is 126MB and the ks is 126MB | 08:37 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 08:37 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 08:37 |
| Stskeeps | .ks file should just be a text file :) | 08:37 |
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| ka6sox | not clear... | 08:40 |
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| ka6sox | Check: https://img.merproject.org/images/sdk/ for the name of the latest KickStart file and use it in the first command below: | 08:41 |
| ka6sox | for version 0.20120920.1: | 08:41 |
| ka6sox | curl -k -o mer-sdk-i486-vm.ks https://img.merproject.org/images/sdk/6.1.0/0.20120920.1/mer-sdk-i486-vm.ks | 08:41 |
| Stskeeps | yep | 08:42 |
| ka6sox | okay that example is I guess really the latest anyways | 08:42 |
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| ka6sox | Stskeeps, other than a little confusion there and hitting the modprobe bug I'm cooking.. | 08:47 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: http://releases.merproject.org/releases/latest/kickstarts/ | 08:49 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: wow, you remembered :) | 08:50 |
| lbt | I followed my own instructions :) | 08:50 |
| lbt | sdk-version helps | 08:50 |
| lbt | => coffee | 08:50 |
| ka6sox | I've often wondered how I would create a rpm based chroot on my deb based system...this is very nice. | 08:51 |
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| ka6sox | are images systemd based? | 09:05 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 09:05 |
| ka6sox | should boot fast then. | 09:06 |
| yunta | :) | 09:06 |
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| ka6sox | Info: Installing: virtualbox-guest-mod +++++++++++++++++++++++ [148/210]ERROR: could not open directory /lib/modules/3.2.0-23-generic: No such file or directory | 09:10 |
| ka6sox | FATAL: could not search modules: No such file or directory | 09:10 |
| ka6sox | thats not good | 09:10 |
| Stskeeps | nah, .. fairly normal | 09:11 |
| ka6sox | sudo qemu-img convert -O vmdk mer-sdk-i486-vm-sda.raw mer-sdk-i486-vm-sda.vmdk | 09:12 |
| ka6sox | that instruction does not work inside the chroot | 09:12 |
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| kulve | should Mer/Nemo support display rotation based on device orientation? If yes, what's the high level architecture for that? Who does what? | 10:17 |
| Stskeeps | kulve: apps rotate themselves | 10:17 |
| Stskeeps | by information from sensorfw | 10:17 |
| Stskeeps | xrandr was deemed too slow for smooth animation | 10:17 |
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| kulve | Stskeeps: is it done 100% in the apps or does Qt somehow do it for them? | 10:18 |
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| Stskeeps | in apps, most use an orientationsensor or something like that | 10:18 |
| w00t | kulve: it's handled by QML components | 10:18 |
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| ka6sox | xrandr...shudder | 10:19 |
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| kulve | ah, e.g. sensord-rm_680.conf tells quite a lot what sensorfw needfs | 10:22 |
| kulve | -f | 10:22 |
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| sivang | re all | 10:23 |
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| sivang | so, I have a chance to be at SLUSH, but still need to sort accommodation , anybody has a good idea for a cheap stay for over a week or perhaps more? | 10:24 |
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| sivang | lbt: so I might be there , after all :) | 10:24 |
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| Stskeeps | remembered conference pass cost too? | 10:26 |
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| kulve | how does the sensorfw choose which conf to read? | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | kulve: boardname | 10:29 |
| Stskeeps | (i believe | 10:29 |
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| kulve | you mean /etc/boardname? I don't have that. Should the HW adaptation provide it..? | 10:31 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: yep. | 10:31 |
| Stskeeps | kulve: hmm, what does 'boardname' say? | 10:31 |
| Stskeeps | the program | 10:31 |
| kulve | I can't access a device now, so I'm just checking what my ready-to-be-flashed rootfs has | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | it is probably empty as it sets it on first boot | 10:32 |
| kulve | ok, but it should be autogenerated? I'll check it later and try to add a conf file for sensorfw | 10:32 |
| kulve | one more thing to be added to the Mer hw adaptation wiki page. It used to say "compile a kernel" but that doesn't yet cover much ;) | 10:33 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 10:34 |
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| sivang | Stskeeps: libhybris kept me from going to sleep, I wanted to let it go, but I couldn't. Enchanting in a way. | 10:41 |
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| sivang | Stskeeps: I'd try to understand how it works, including relationship between code objects to write up an README | 11:21 |
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| VDVsx | sivang, cheap and Helsinki, err, not easy :) | 11:22 |
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| sivang | VDVsx: yeah, that's why I'm hoping for stay with friends :) sent a request on CS site, let's see what happens | 11:26 |
| VDVsx | sivang, good luck then, but keep in mind that is quite expensive here in the north :) | 11:28 |
| sivang | VDVsx: yes, it'd be my 3rd visit to Helsinki already so I'm all aware of that. | 11:28 |
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| VDVsx | ah yeah | 11:30 |
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| sivang | does anybody know if there's gonna be some mer/nemomobile hacking/other event in SLUSH? | 11:35 |
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| vgrade | Stskeeps: do you think the google change would catch the recent Qt sdk out? | 11:43 |
| vgrade | Stskeeps: I stayed up late last night looking at yat | 11:44 |
| vgrade | did some debug in yat_pty.cpp | 11:44 |
| Stskeeps | ok, what does it get? | 11:45 |
| vgrade | seems that the ? (ascii 63) comes from the fd setup by forkpty | 11:45 |
| vgrade | so we are missing something lower in the stack which is not converting TAB,BACKSPACE,ENTER etc corectly | 11:46 |
| vgrade | although exactly what is not clear to me | 11:47 |
| Stskeeps | interesting | 11:47 |
| vgrade | thing is thats quiet lowlevel so I would expect that the happen say for instance to a normal console | 11:49 |
| vgrade | so I'm as the 'can't happen' stage of debug :) | 11:49 |
| vgrade | at | 11:49 |
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| Stskeeps | how about evtest? | 11:53 |
| vgrade | looks for evtest | 11:54 |
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| vgrade | found | 11:55 |
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| vgrade | Stskeeps: evtest output is good | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | says the right thing? | 12:00 |
| vgrade | yes enter and backspace recognsed | 12:01 |
| Stskeeps | hmmmm | 12:01 |
| Stskeeps | wth.. | 12:01 |
| vgrade | http://pastie.org/5387106 | 12:02 |
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| lbt | aportale: mer device wizard not working? | 12:47 |
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| sivang | lbt: device wizard? | 12:50 |
| lbt | you click a button and a factory in china makes a device :) | 12:51 |
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| sivang | lbt: where's the web address :-p quick! | 12:51 |
| sivang | lbt: I did something like that, but it was python-urwid and a text console with a barcode reader ;-) | 12:52 |
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| CosmoHill | hi | 15:30 |
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| vgrade | Hi CosmoHill | 15:49 |
| CosmoHill | .o/ | 15:49 |
| vgrade | hows things | 15:49 |
| CosmoHill | up and down, today has been okay | 15:49 |
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| vgrade | I've been looking at one of those cannot happen debug moments, hoping to get to the how did that ever work moments | 15:50 |
| CosmoHill | want a second pair of eyes? | 15:51 |
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| vgrade | CosmoHill: we are looking to run https://github.com/jorgen/yat on Qt 5 , a qml based terminal | 15:58 |
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| CosmoHill | "turns" isn't spelt with an e | 15:59 |
| CosmoHill | I don't think it is anyway | 15:59 |
| CosmoHill | also "it's", not "its" | 15:59 |
| vgrade | it runs up ok and works except that the return, tab, backspace keys show as ? (ascii 63) | 16:00 |
| vgrade | looking at https://github.com/jorgen/yat/blob/master/backend/yat_pty.cpp it calls forkpty and spawns bash | 16:01 |
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| CosmoHill | so the shell is hard coded to bash? | 16:02 |
| vgrade | debugging the output from the forkpty fd shows the ascii 63 (?) for the return , tab, backspace | 16:02 |
| vgrade | CosmoHill: yea, https://github.com/jorgen/yat/blob/master/backend/yat_pty.cpp#L61 | 16:02 |
| vgrade | can't figure out what is doing the conversion to ? | 16:03 |
| CosmoHill | is it an issue with one being UTF-8 and one being ASCII or even ISO? | 16:03 |
| vgrade | not sure, evtest shows the keycode being set correctly to say 28 for enter | 16:05 |
| CosmoHill | hmm | 16:05 |
| CosmoHill | if enter is 28 then it wouldn't be affected as the firs 128 are identical in all three encodings | 16:05 |
| vgrade | and a normal console just works, so I conclude it can't happen | 16:06 |
| CosmoHill | so you're ruling out a problem with bash on your system | 16:06 |
| CosmoHill | I only have qt4.6 on mine | 16:06 |
| vgrade | if I don't spwan bash and just monitor the fd I get the same result so I don't think its in bash | 16:07 |
| vgrade | its between the output of evdev and the pty fd | 16:08 |
| sledges | hmm, where can I find glestest now ? | 16:08 |
| vgrade | mer-gfx-tests | 16:08 |
| sledges | ah! | 16:08 |
| sledges | true thanks :) | 16:08 |
| CosmoHill | vgrade: echo $LANG | 16:09 |
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| vgrade | CosmoHill: nothing | 16:09 |
| CosmoHill | brb | 16:10 |
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| Stskeeps | vgrade: good point.. what happens if you export LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 ? | 16:10 |
| Stskeeps | and run yat | 16:11 |
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| Stskeeps | joys of moving. mental monologue along the lines of "i will kill somebody if i ever have to read this book again" (when reviewing old study books) | 16:12 |
| * CosmoHill blinks | 16:12 | |
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| Stskeeps | (XML and web technologies) | 16:13 |
| CosmoHill | i managed to get through uni without having to buy any books :) | 16:14 |
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| CosmoHill | vgrade: try setting "FOO=BAR" then running it and do echo $FOO. that way you'll see if the variable has been carried over | 16:15 |
| sledges | imx6 mer-minimal with fsl accel binaries on top: glestest crashes the whole Xorg: http://pastie.org/5388235 | 16:15 |
| vgrade | do I need to export that in the spawned bash | 16:15 |
| CosmoHill | before yat | 16:16 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: yaay | 16:16 |
| CosmoHill | FOO=BAR yat maybe | 16:16 |
| sledges | fun times :) | 16:17 |
| vgrade | Stskeeps: CosmoHill same result | 16:17 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: that looks more like you screwed up and mesa is used instead | 16:17 |
| Stskeeps | vgrade: as in, export LANG=en_US.UTF-8 | 16:17 |
| Stskeeps | and then yat? | 16:17 |
| vgrade | yes | 16:18 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 16:18 |
| CosmoHill | i think it's sporning a new clean shell | 16:18 |
| vgrade | I can set env vars up though | 16:19 |
| sledges | Stskeeps, I'm still struggling to recompile vivante driver for Mer's Xorg ABI... :{ so now it's fbdev | 16:20 |
| vgrade | https://github.com/jorgen/yat/blob/master/backend/yat_pty.cpp#L39 | 16:20 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: yes, but your libGLESv2/EGL is screwed | 16:20 |
| Stskeeps | libGLESv2.so.2 -> your driver, libEGL.so.1 -> your driver | 16:21 |
| Stskeeps | must be | 16:21 |
| sledges | those files are from fsl | 16:21 |
| Stskeeps | make sure they are, because right now, they're not pointing the right place | 16:21 |
| sledges | as a result of HA, called `cp -ar fsl/* mer/` :) | 16:21 |
| sledges | ok | 16:22 |
| Stskeeps | they're pointing to mesa/llvmpipe instead | 16:22 |
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| sledges | Stskeeps, I disagree: http://pastie.org/5388284 | 16:26 |
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| * Stskeeps takes a deep breath and requests sledges reads what he just pasted | 16:27 | |
| CosmoHill | vgrade: what is between evdev and pty fd? | 16:28 |
| Stskeeps | libEGL.so.1 obviously points to a different file than it should | 16:28 |
| Stskeeps | libGLESv2.so and libGLESv2.so.2.0.0 are also different | 16:28 |
| sledges | ouch | 16:29 |
| Stskeeps | chances are you'll do libEGL.so.1 -> libEGL-something.so and libGLESv2.so.2 -> libGLESv2.so | 16:29 |
| sledges | symlinks... | 16:29 |
| sledges | done, segfaults :) | 16:34 |
| sledges | (glestest) | 16:34 |
| vgrade | CosmoHill: thats the question, I don't understand the mechanism | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: but not same error | 16:39 |
| sledges | yes, thank you Stskeeps ;) | 16:39 |
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| sledges | ok Stskeeps, now from xterm (and non root user) things look prettier: http://pastie.org/5388370 | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | something's still screwed | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | ibEGL warning: DRI2: failed to find _glapi_get_proc_address | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | libEGL warning: GLX: failed to load GLX | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | libEGL warning: unable to load st_GL.so | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | comes from mesa | 16:45 |
| sledges | yups.. | 16:45 |
| sledges | mer's running llvmpipe btw if that matters | 16:45 |
| sledges | mesa-llvmpipe-* | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | yes, so your egl/gles implementation from fsl isn't taking action | 16:46 |
| sledges | which is a new concept for me (as compared to non-llvmpipe past with imx53) | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | rm /usr/lib/libEGL* /usr/lib/libGLESv2* | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | untar your graphics adaptation | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | ln -s /usr/lib/libEGL-x11.so /usr/lib/libEGL.so.1 | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | ln -s /usr/lib/libGLESv2.so /usr/lib/libGLESv2.so.2 | 16:47 |
| vgrade | oh, first mention of replacing char with ? I've found , NetBSD iconv() inserts a question mark if it cannot convert. | 16:51 |
| Stskeeps | vgrade: perhaps we can somehow debug the evdev driver in qt? | 16:52 |
| Stskeeps | evdevinput | 16:52 |
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| vgrade | Stskeeps: I can look but I think its outside qt, let me see if I can knock up a simple test program | 16:55 |
| Stskeeps | vgrade: it's in qtbase | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | evdevinput plugin | 16:56 |
| sledges | still segfaults, pulling out strace/gdb.. | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: if you still see libEGL warning you're still doing it wrong | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:57 |
| sledges | no warnings :) segfaults only | 16:58 |
| sledges | running softfp btw | 16:58 |
| sledges | (mer) | 16:58 |
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| kulve | nemo on n7 is really confused about it's orientation.. Half of the videos/applications/demos are landscape (partly badly) while the device is in portrait mode. Maybe that gets better if the sensorfw works in the future | 17:12 |
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| kulve | Stskeeps: and just FYI: the xorg's mtev driver's upstream is broken true with swapped x/y. It had a broken fix for the issue.. | 17:12 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 17:12 |
| kulve | if I even know what is the actual upstream | 17:12 |
| vgrade | kulve: orientation has always been a thorny subject here | 17:13 |
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| vgrade | kulve: so many places for it to be swapped | 17:13 |
| kulve | and when the display blanks I can't get it back. If I press the power button I just see the text console.. | 17:13 |
| vgrade | Stskeeps: simple forkpty program shows backspace ande enter correctly, onto evdev plugin | 17:16 |
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| CosmoHill | bleh, I picked the wrong road to take into town and spent about 40 / 50 mins in traffic | 17:34 |
| CosmoHill | sat at green lights not being able to move with the low fuel warning light on | 17:35 |
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| CosmoHill | hi gabrbedd | 17:52 |
| gabrbedd | CosmoHill: hello! | 17:54 |
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| CosmoHill | gabrbedd: how are you? | 18:52 |
| gabrbedd | CosmoHill: Not bad. Yourself? | 18:53 |
| CosmoHill | up and down, today is about level | 18:53 |
| CosmoHill | got much planned for the weekend? | 18:57 |
| gabrbedd | Not really. | 18:57 |
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| * gabrbedd is going through saying "thank you" to the >100 birthday well-wishers on fb after having put it off for a couple days. | 18:58 | |
| CosmoHill | happy birthday | 18:58 |
| vgrade | ah so we have issues with BACKSPACE (14), TAB(15) and return (28), http://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qtbase/blobs/3a4ed33140bb5dc1b2bf9e783dd26d5fde7c857b/src/plugins/generic/evdevkeyboard/qevdevkeyboard_defaultmap.h | 18:58 |
| CosmoHill | it's my grandad's today | 18:58 |
| gabrbedd | like | 18:58 |
| gabrbedd | Thank you! | 18:58 |
| gabrbedd | CosmoHill: :-) | 18:58 |
| vgrade | all those have 0xffff in common | 18:58 |
| CosmoHill | is it wrapping around or something? | 18:59 |
| gabrbedd | CosmoHill: I'll probably update my resume and prepare to get layed off. What about you? | 18:59 |
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| vgrade | qtwayland also uses a different method (xkb) fot input | 19:00 |
| CosmoHill | i see my family every saturday :) | 19:00 |
| CosmoHill | my cousin will be supervising me replace my car brakes | 19:00 |
| CosmoHill | and then call 999 when i crash | 19:00 |
| gabrbedd | CosmoHill: hee hee... car brakes are pretty simple. You'll do fine. | 19:00 |
| CosmoHill | been meaning to do it for almost 6 weeks now | 19:01 |
| CosmoHill | I do all the work and my cousin tells me what i need to do | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | vgrade: yeah, but this happens in eglfs too | 19:02 |
| CosmoHill | gabrbedd: if you're bored: http://black-flag.co.uk/files/car/car-painting/ | 19:02 |
| CosmoHill | you can see at what point I got carried away | 19:04 |
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| gabrbedd | CosmoHill: are you repairing something you broke? Or fixing up a new-to-you car? | 19:09 |
| CosmoHill | fixing something nissan broke | 19:09 |
| CosmoHill | they did a poor repair | 19:09 |
| dm8tbr | http://www.flickr.com/photos/13825348@N03/8188770546/in/set-72157632014371035/ - me advertising Mer at the ELCE VIP event ;) | 19:09 |
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| CosmoHill | greetings user dm8tbr | 19:10 |
| CosmoHill | beep boop | 19:10 |
| dm8tbr | bla | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: +1 on choice of sthirt | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | tshit | 19:10 |
| dm8tbr | :> | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | .. | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | no, i'm not drunk, just not typing very well | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:11 |
| dm8tbr | the bad choice of scarf is because I caught a cold at the con :/ | 19:12 |
| CosmoHill | your traffic cone hat says otherwise | 19:12 |
| dm8tbr | VLC hat? | 19:12 |
| CosmoHill | okay that does explain it | 19:13 |
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| CosmoHill | vgrade: http://qdb.us/31330 | 21:49 |
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