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| lbt | nah, I can tell from the timing of usb events that vanilla uboot doesn't show a splash | 00:03 |
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| lbt | I think :) | 00:03 |
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| sledges | g-night | 00:27 |
| yunta | do we *really* have to support ideapad? :( | 00:30 |
| [ol] | yunta: This is a most popular netbook/tablet convertible among those who attended MeeGo conference in Dublin in November 2011. | 00:34 |
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| Stskeeps | morn | 06:00 |
| E-P | morning Stskeeps | 06:00 |
| Stskeeps | morn E-P :) | 06:01 |
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| vgrade | morn | 06:15 |
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| zuh | Sage_: ping | 06:20 |
| wmarone | lbt: http://side-7.us/pub/ | 06:23 |
| wmarone | that appears to have been the last image I built | 06:23 |
| wmarone | just in case it help | 06:23 |
| wmarone | helps* | 06:23 |
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| * Stskeeps passes kulve a beer | 06:28 | |
| kulve | is it a bit too early for that? | 06:29 |
| Bostik | is it ever a wrong time for beer? | 06:32 |
| Bostik | and morning guys | 06:32 |
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| vgrade | Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/5375640 with mali egl/gles | 06:34 |
| Stskeeps | vgrade: grep DRI2SwapBuffers /usr/lib/* | 06:35 |
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| vgrade | Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/5375656 | 06:40 |
| Stskeeps | ugh | 06:42 |
| vgrade | have to run , day job , talk later | 06:43 |
| Stskeeps | cya | 06:43 |
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| Sage_ | zuh: pong | 07:37 |
| zuh | Sage_: Thought I'd poke you with this: http://www.igloocommunity.org/gitweb/?p=bsp/snowball-init.git;a=commit;h=4dbbb1650 | 07:38 |
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| zuh | Sage_: You didn't include the script in the u8500 stuff, was it because missing that or for some other reason? | 07:39 |
| Sage_ | Forgot to package it I guess was the main reason. | 07:41 |
| zuh | It would help getting USB host mode "working" on startup, plus connectivity if bluez is enhanced with the snowball patch (don't know if it was ever submitted upstream) | 07:41 |
| Sage_ | I noted it yes, but forgot to do later. I did the bluez fix to Mer though ;) | 07:42 |
| zuh | Oh, ok. My older image failed to start BT, and I just assumed it was due to that | 07:42 |
| Sage_ | yes, I tested the bluetooth with those init parts and it scanned fine at least | 07:44 |
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| zuh | Sage_: the subtext here was, "could you package it in u8500, pwetty pwease? [insert puppy eyes]" ;) | 07:55 |
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| Sage_ | zuh: I can package it but can't test as I don't have snowball atm. :) | 07:58 |
| * Sage_ starts packaging | 07:59 | |
| zuh | I'll take care of testing, and wrt packaging there should not be too much room for error... | 08:01 |
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| henrik_ | lbt: there is now new webapp available. Font is a bit smaller and less marging as well. Also the navigation links looks better now | 08:05 |
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| Sage_ | zuh: done in same repo as usual | 08:12 |
| Sage_ | just wait for it to compile | 08:12 |
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| zuh | yay, thanks! I'll give it a go soon, I'm anyway about to create a fresh image. | 08:13 |
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| zuh | Sage_: http://pastie.org/5376012 (with -next repos) | 08:53 |
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| vgrade_ | Stskeeps: found the on DRI2SwapBuffers in the mali xorg driver | 09:05 |
| vgrade_ | Stskeeps: https://github.com/linux-sunxi/xf86-video-mali/blob/r3p0-04rel0/src/mali_dri.c#L339 | 09:05 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 09:05 |
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| vgrade_ | Stskeeps: so are they expecting folks to use that function? | 09:07 |
| Stskeeps | vgrade_: google for the fix, there should be one | 09:08 |
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| CosmoHill | yay i have my internet back | 09:57 |
| faenil | o/ | 09:58 |
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| kulve | Stskeeps: ethernet seems to come up automatically in Mer with DHCP. Is usb networking brought up similarly (assuming I have properly configured kernel and a DHCP server at the other end)? | 09:59 |
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| Stskeeps | no, connman guys loathe usb gadgets | 10:00 |
| Stskeeps | (afaik) | 10:01 |
| Stskeeps | it's best if you can run a dhcp server on the device itself | 10:01 |
| kulve | ? | 10:02 |
| Stskeeps | nevermind :) | 10:02 |
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| kulve | hmm.. I think I have somewhere the commands to enable WPA using connman from the command line. Assuming the wifi works in the first place I could add something to startup scripts to connect to wifi | 10:06 |
| Bostik | the "test" scripts in connman worked fine a little over year ago | 10:06 |
| Stskeeps | https://raw.github.com/lbt/mer-minimal/master/exopc/minimal-exopc.ks Configure network part is very very useful | 10:06 |
| kulve | yeah, I'm more worried about the bcm firmware and proper kernel config for it.. | 10:07 |
| kulve | Stskeeps: looks useful, thanks | 10:08 |
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| tanuk | jusa_: Regarding http://review.merproject.org/#change,995 | 10:15 |
| tanuk | jusa_: Why does pulseaudio need to be started after xorg? | 10:15 |
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| tanuk | jusa_: Hmm, at least the start-pulseaudio script won't load module-x11-publish and module-x11-cork-request if DISPLAY isn't set. | 10:22 |
| Stskeeps | DISPLAY should be set, does it actually connect to the x11? | 10:23 |
| yunta | bcm, ow | 10:24 |
| tanuk | Stskeeps: Do you mean DISPLAY should be set even if the xorg dependency would be dropped from the pulseaudio.service file? | 10:24 |
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| tanuk | Stskeeps: Those two modules do connect to x11. | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | tanuk: ok, then it needs to wait for xorg | 10:24 |
| jusa_ | tanuk: yes | 10:25 |
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| jusa_ | tanuk: I put it after xorg for the reason of those x11-modules | 10:26 |
| tanuk | jusa_: I'm just thinking that it would be nice to ship a systemd service file in upstream too, but I think before we can do that, things should be changed so that the service file wouldn't have a dependency on xorg. | 10:27 |
| tanuk | But this is not an urgent issue... | 10:27 |
| jusa_ | tanuk: ok | 10:27 |
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| Stskeeps | this is user session, fwiw | 10:37 |
| tanuk | Stskeeps: Are user session services less likely to have standard cross-distro unit files than system services? I don't follow the systemd community very closely... | 10:39 |
| tanuk | Stskeeps: My impression was that at least for system services it's common to have the unit files in upstream. | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | system services yes, user sessions are a little more customized.. | 10:40 |
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| tanuk | Ok. | 10:41 |
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| Stskeeps | morn jussi | 11:15 |
| * jussi notes it is afternoon :P | 11:15 | |
| Stskeeps | not really | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:15 |
| jussi | Im attempting to eat my lunch, but I made an error... | 11:15 |
| jussi | (ie. too much chili) :P | 11:15 |
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| jussi | faenil: Bostik might be coming down from lappeenranta... | 11:26 |
| Bostik | jussi: something like this? http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/544975/posts | 11:27 |
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| faenil | jussi, oh cool! | 11:27 |
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| mikhas | my twitter feed got excited about slush 2012 already | 11:33 |
| jussi | Bostik: about that, yeah :P | 11:33 |
| Stskeeps | mikhas: you don't want to see my mailbox | 11:33 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:33 |
| jussi | faenil: if you do make it to slush, Ill be there :D | 11:33 |
| Bostik | yup, present 21.-22. by the looks of it | 11:33 |
| faenil | jussi, great ^^ | 11:34 |
| mikhas | Stskeeps, hm, if you say it that way … yes, I probably *want* to see it =p | 11:34 |
| mikhas | "curiosity killed the cat" | 11:34 |
| jussi | Bostik: has it been decided if you are coming to slush yet? | 11:36 |
| w00t | mikhas: "slushslushslushslushslushslushslushslushslushslushslushslushslushslushslushslushslushslushslush" | 11:37 |
| w00t | that's the tl;dr version | 11:37 |
| mikhas | :-D | 11:40 |
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| aportale | w00t: ping | 11:49 |
| w00t | aportale: pong | 11:49 |
| aportale | w00t: since we talked about deployment last time... Can you outline a bit if/how You currently use a [virtual] Nemo device in Qt Creator? Do you set it up as a Remote Linux device? | 11:50 |
| w00t | *ahem* | 11:50 |
| w00t | I have to admit, I don't actually (yet) use creator | 11:51 |
| aportale | w00t: Ok, do you know anyone who currently does? | 11:51 |
| w00t | now that SDK integration is getting better, I maybe might look into it sometime soon | 11:51 |
| w00t | aportale: lbt would know, I think zchydem has also played with it | 11:51 |
| aportale | w00t: Ok, thanks. I was just looking for some approaches that were successful and which we could make easier to use in Qt Creator. | 11:52 |
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| aportale | zchydem: ping | 11:54 |
| zchydem | aportale: pong | 11:54 |
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| zchydem | aportale: you're working on QtC? | 11:55 |
| aportale | zchydem: Hi :) I am hacking on Mer support in Qt Creator and am wondering how Device integration can be made easy. | 11:55 |
| lbt | aportale: Nemo on a VM is a definite target | 11:56 |
| lbt | zchydem: aportale is workng with us, yes | 11:56 |
| zchydem | aportale: I think I found a bug there yesterday from the device integration. Not reported it yet though | 11:56 |
| aportale | lbt: Yes, I want to create a definie target (or device in QtC slang). Just wondering what people did till now to manually tie things toether | 11:57 |
| zchydem | lbt: ok, thought he was the one who's done all the git commits to the mer branch | 11:57 |
| vgrade_ | Stskeeps: seems DRI2SwapBuffers was removed somewhere between 1.10 and 1.13 | 11:57 |
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| aportale | zchydem: Actually, we did not do anything for "Nemo device" integration, yet. | 11:59 |
| aportale | zchydem: I'm interested in your bug, though. It will give me a hint on what You expect | 11:59 |
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| aportale | lbt: How different is a "mer device" and a "Nemo device" in terms of package deployment and application launch? | 12:00 |
| Bostik | jussi: yes, travels got approved <1h ago | 12:01 |
| Bostik | jussi: I have one more checkbox to tick | 12:01 |
| jussi | excellent | 12:01 |
| zchydem | aportale: ok, so I needed to do the first deployment as a "root" user instead of "nemo". Otherwise uploading binary failed | 12:01 |
| zchydem | aportale: but I can't really run the app as a root becaue it should be run as a nemo as you probably know | 12:02 |
| aportale | zchydem: I actually don't know all these details. | 12:02 |
| aportale | zchydem: So, You created a "Generic Linux Device" and first set the "Nemo" user? | 12:03 |
| lbt | aportale: mer/nemo ... think inheritance :) | 12:03 |
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| zchydem | aportale: yes, and tested that connection worked | 12:04 |
| lbt | so mer device deployment works for all mer based devices - but specific instances may override some steps | 12:04 |
| lbt | especially package launch | 12:04 |
| aportale | lbt: Ok, I will keep the inheritance in mind. Is the launch part for Nemo documented somewhere? And is it expected to be different from other perhaps upcoming Mer based platforms? | 12:06 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: ah, joint dev room between embedded and mobile this time at FOSDEM? | 12:06 |
| vgrade_ | Stskeeps: disregard last comment | 12:06 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: it was decided to be saneish | 12:07 |
| aportale | zchydem: Ok. So, first deployment has to be as root. But all subsequent installations and launching the app has to be as Nemo. Did I understand this right? | 12:07 |
| zchydem | aportale: Correct. That's how it worked yesterday:) | 12:08 |
| aportale | zchydem: I wonder if the root requirement is really intended like that. Sounds strange to me. | 12:08 |
| Stskeeps | well it has to run as user | 12:09 |
| Stskeeps | but installations into system is root | 12:09 |
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| zchydem | yes, that's how it should be done | 12:11 |
| aportale | Stskeeps: Ok, but why are subsequent app updates not done by root? | 12:11 |
| lbt | aportale: we should have 2 use cases for install - hack and proper install | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | aportale: that's a bit more mysterious | 12:11 |
| lbt | hack is copy binaries | 12:11 |
| lbt | that should be doable as user | 12:11 |
| lbt | full install is copy rpm and run system install as root | 12:12 |
| lbt | full install is unlikely to support any kind of sane 'launch' : more likely you get a new icon | 12:12 |
| aportale | lbt: dang, and I was so after rpm installation the last days. | 12:13 |
| lbt | most hacks will likely need a specific executable called - which qtc may well know/guess - but which may need to be overridden | 12:13 |
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| aportale | lbt: Which kind of deployment do we want for Slush? | 12:14 |
| zchydem | lbt: I think the hack part should also work so that it runs it from "temp" location and cleans it afterwards | 12:14 |
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| lbt | focus on hack/launch I think | 12:15 |
| lbt | and I wonder about installng to ~/opt/ | 12:15 |
| lbt | and not /opt | 12:15 |
| lbt | should save any root issues | 12:16 |
| aportale | lbt: Good that I asked. I was about to spend a few more days on rpm | 12:16 |
| lbt | aportale: sry | 12:16 |
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| lbt | aportale: so the kit 'run' tab only supports one set of deploy steps | 12:30 |
| lbt | so, different deploy configurations? | 12:31 |
| aportale | lbt: Yes, but we can add different "Deploy configureations" and also "run methods" | 12:31 |
| lbt | that sounds perfect | 12:31 |
| lbt | I like the process steps too - very, very useful | 12:32 |
| lbt | so can you explain how to setup 2 deploy configs? one for rpm (which isn't quite done) and one for hack (as per generic linux device) | 12:33 |
| aportale | lbt: Yes, but those 4 rppm-relate steps that I currently generate are more of a sketch. It will be one user-friendly step. | 12:33 |
| lbt | ok - but I see multiple steps being massively useful for sw house stuff | 12:34 |
| lbt | so don't lose it :) | 12:34 |
| aportale | lbt: To do that I need to climb a bit through the class hierarchy and derive from LinuxDevice. Need to investigate a bit but should be doable. | 12:35 |
| lbt | when you do, it gathers username/pw - also gather root passwd/key | 12:35 |
| lbt | otherwise I think that would be fine | 12:36 |
| aportale | lbt: Is that also needed to the 'hack' method? | 12:36 |
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| lbt | no, but if you add it I may be able to use ut | 12:37 |
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| aportale | zchydem: Thanks for your feedback, so far. I will come back to you for more :) | 12:39 |
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| zchydem | aportale: yes, please just ask | 12:42 |
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| aportale | zchydem: Which I will do right away. Your first-root-then-nemo issue was with .rpm deployment, correct? | 12:46 |
| zchydem | aportale: to be honest, I'm not sure what it did in the background. I had rpm/*.spec file there and my project file installs stuff under /usr/share/myapp, /usr/bin | 12:52 |
| zchydem | QtC doesn't log much | 12:53 |
| aportale | zchydem: Ok. | 12:53 |
| aportale | zchydem: I'll be back in 30 minutes, ok? | 12:53 |
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| zchydem | aportale: ok, but I need leave about an hour | 12:54 |
| aportale | zchydem: Ok. | 12:54 |
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| vesse | kontio: in case you didn't notice, I merged your pull request | 13:31 |
| kontio | vesse, yeah I did, thx a lot... our new instance is almost ready to go live with latest master :-) | 13:32 |
| kontio | now I can add %H:%M to the date, I was missing that feature for ever :-) | 13:33 |
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| Bostik | wheeee, slush attendance 90% confirmed | 14:48 |
| Stskeeps | what's last 10%? wife approval? | 14:48 |
| Bostik | Stskeeps: final confirmation and pass details from slush itself | 14:49 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Bostik: no much stuff, can easily shrink to 1% :) | 14:50 |
| Bostik | getting better | 14:51 |
| Bostik | I like my odds | 14:51 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: did we have any mer tshirts left? | 14:51 |
| lbt | nope | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 14:51 |
| lbt | well, maybe 2/3 | 14:51 |
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| vesse | kontio: great. hopefully the new configuration options make it easier for you to maintain compatibility with the upstream version. | 15:09 |
| kulve | Stskeeps: quite a surprise. I my automatic wlan connection attempt worked on the first try \o/ | 15:09 |
| kulve | this makes this so much easier | 15:09 |
| vesse | and if you have any further needs pull requests are welcome. or just ask me. | 15:09 |
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| kulve | or not. It stucked after a minute.. | 15:10 |
| kulve | what is plymouth? | 15:12 |
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| Stskeeps | kulve: framebuffer thing | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | puts splashscreen up | 15:13 |
| kulve | so, completely optional? | 15:13 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 15:13 |
| kulve | I wonder why nothing tried to even start my X.Org.. | 15:13 |
| Stskeeps | systemctl | grep user-session | 15:14 |
| kulve | wifi worked only for a minute. Maybe some power saving things. Anyway I'll need to continue this later | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, iwconfig wlan0 power off | 15:16 |
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| [ol] | Stskeeps: OK, I've built cross-x86_64-binutils and cross-x86_64-gcc packages. Now I have to build cross-x86_64-glibc package, right? | 16:29 |
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| Stskeeps | [ol]: driving exam tonight, will get back to you | 16:40 |
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| CosmoHill | Stskeeps: good luck | 16:42 |
| CosmoHill | remember, pavements are for people | 16:43 |
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| sledges | how can I decode h264 video? does mer (or 3rd party's) provide repos with suitable plugins? | 16:59 |
| sledges | gstreamer that is | 16:59 |
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| Bostik | sledges: h.264 is a patent and royalty minefield, but you can A) build your own gstreamer-plugins-bad (not -free) or, if the hardware has video accelerators with OpenMAX libraries, you could go through them | 17:09 |
| sledges | gosh thanks | 17:10 |
| * sledges needs to benchmark video decode hardware vs software accelerted | 17:10 | |
| sledges | which is the best format to run big buck bunny then? | 17:11 |
| sledges | 720p (imx6 vpu decoder can do mpeg4 and h264) | 17:11 |
| sledges | as in, most mer friendly format? | 17:12 |
| Stskeeps | armv7hl or armv7l | 17:12 |
| sledges | both | 17:12 |
| Stskeeps | armv7hl look in home:stskeeps:n950-n9 | 17:13 |
| Stskeeps | gst-av may be useful | 17:13 |
| sledges | so it is not N9xx dependent? | 17:14 |
| Stskeeps | aye | 17:15 |
| sledges | :) ok, software decode that means :) | 17:15 |
| sledges | 26kB ? | 17:15 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 17:15 |
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| sledges | ok, will try to query it | 17:15 |
| sledges | thanks | 17:15 |
| sledges | ! | 17:15 |
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| vgrade | evening | 17:18 |
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| CosmoHill | aaaahhhhh | 17:20 |
| sledges | it got blacklisted | 17:21 |
| sledges | heya vgrade | 17:21 |
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| CosmoHill | hi vgrade and sledges | 17:24 |
| sledges | hello CosmoHill | 17:27 |
| sledges | :) | 17:27 |
| vgrade | evening CosmoHill | 17:27 |
| CosmoHill | i fucking hate the royal mail job application site | 17:28 |
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| CosmoHill | how are you two? | 17:36 |
| vgrade | not bad, you | 17:40 |
| sledges | bizy times, so good :) | 17:42 |
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| CosmoHill | meh | 17:47 |
| special | Stskeeps: w00t: how much do I need to bribe one of you to get rid of that damn va_list warning | 17:48 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: on that, why isn't -Wno-psabi in our default cflags for ARM? | 17:49 |
| CosmoHill | everything seems to make me angery :/ | 17:49 |
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| kulve | in which startup script I could put "iwconfig wlan0 power off" in during my initial hacking? | 18:16 |
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| kulve | also evtest reports a bit odd events from the elan-touchscreen. It works on ubuntu so I guess there's a way to make X.Org's evdev driver to understand that | 18:23 |
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| kulve | yay, evdev might not understand that but mtev does | 18:49 |
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| kontio | lbt, ping | 19:18 |
| lbt | pong | 19:18 |
| CosmoHill | pang | 19:19 |
| kontio | lbt can you check the paragraph: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK_on_VirtualBox#Limitations there is a typo guess it should be stored, but also otherwise I don't understand what it wants to tell me... | 19:19 |
| kontio | specially the last sentence... | 19:20 |
| lbt | yes, "stored" | 19:20 |
| lbt | if you want you can create a dedicated virtual-disk | 19:21 |
| vgrade | kulve sounds great | 19:22 |
| vgrade | kulve: you installed a minimal image and zyppered in rest? | 19:23 |
| kontio | "It this is a problem then"... there is a word too much :-) or so it's hard to read... | 19:23 |
| kontio | should it be "If this" or "it is a pro..." | 19:23 |
| kontio | :-) | 19:23 |
| kontio | I would have updated it, but it was not clear to me | 19:24 |
| vgrade | Stskeeps: eglinfo and glestest now working on A10 | 19:24 |
| Stskeeps | cool | 19:24 |
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| vgrade | trying lipstick | 19:25 |
| lbt | there we go kontio | 19:25 |
| kontio | it's now more clear :-) thx | 19:27 |
| kontio | building qt-creator now... guess takes a while on my single core box... | 19:28 |
| lbt | yeah | 19:28 |
| lbt | nb | 19:28 |
| lbt | what OS? | 19:28 |
| lbt | you really need to have the Qt private headers | 19:29 |
| lbt | otherwise you don't get 'Designer' | 19:29 |
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| vgrade | vgrade , what -graphicssystem is expected for lipstick | 19:31 |
| kontio | Fedora, I think I have the qt-devel installed a while ago... | 19:31 |
| kontio | ah private... hmmm | 19:32 |
| vgrade | no -graphicssystem gives me a cryptic /lib/libGLESv2.so.2: undefined symbol: drmGetMagic | 19:32 |
| lbt | yeah - I know how to do it on Debian testing :) | 19:32 |
| w00t | vgrade: whatever QT_DEFAULT_RUNTIME_GRAPHICSSYSTEM says it should be | 19:32 |
| vgrade | w00t: I tried with no -graphicssystem and got the drmGetMagic error above | 19:33 |
| w00t | vgrade: default graphicssystem is runtime, which picks from QT_DEFAULT_RUNTIME_GRAPHICSSYSTEM | 19:34 |
| kontio | does the build fail, or do I just not get Designer? I think I never used it any way... | 19:34 |
| vgrade | w00t: with raster I get good performance but apps don't load. icon pulses | 19:35 |
| kontio | the private headers in Qt are normally something like _p.h or not? | 19:35 |
| w00t | vgrade: by "apps don't load" I suspect you mean the icons don't? | 19:35 |
| kontio | or similar... | 19:35 |
| yunta_ | kontio: if it fails late in compilation: install qtwebkit-devel or something similar | 19:36 |
| vgrade | w00t: icons are visible and zoom in out but the app does not load | 19:36 |
| w00t | vgrade: lipstick cannot affect application launching, check journalctl | 19:36 |
| kontio | qtwebkit-devel is installed... | 19:37 |
| kontio | I might be lucky :-) | 19:38 |
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| kontio | ah fedora has a package qt-devel-private, guess that's it | 19:39 |
| w00t | vgrade: anything interesting? | 19:40 |
| vgrade | w00t, will check apps. so "runtime" gives drmMagic errror, "native" gives 1Hz update rate, "raster" gives good performance | 19:40 |
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| w00t | vgrade: so the default runtime system is probably set to meego, check with Sage_ for what config file sets it, and alter it for your setup I guess | 19:40 |
| w00t | vgrade: i'd expect that the environment var is why apps aren't loading too :) | 19:41 |
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| vgrade | w00t: yes as they would use the default. Check after dinner, Thanks a lot | 19:41 |
| w00t | np | 19:41 |
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| phaeron | check in /etc/sysconfig | 19:43 |
| vgrade | phaeron: cheers nemo-mobile-ui QT_DEFAULT_RUNTIME_SYSTEM=meego | 19:44 |
| phaeron | yeah , sage was preparing an override file | 19:44 |
| phaeron | not sure if that is already integrated | 19:44 |
| w00t | thanks phaeron | 19:45 |
| phaeron | but you can change that file | 19:45 |
| vgrade | ah so meefo uses GL, which I don't have on the A10 | 19:45 |
| w00t | yep | 19:45 |
| phaeron | vgrade: /etc/sysconfig/nemo-mobile-hw | 19:48 |
| phaeron | will override things in nemo-mobile-ui if it exists | 19:48 |
| vgrade | phaeron: ok | 19:48 |
| vgrade | thats done the trick I have a 32 inch calculator :) | 19:49 |
| phaeron | BEEP BEEP | 19:49 |
| vgrade | now how do I close it? | 19:50 |
| phaeron | B... | 19:50 |
| vgrade | ls | 19:51 |
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| Sage_ | vgrade: you can do /etc/sysconfig/nemo-mobile-hw file with override settings | 19:58 |
| Sage_ | vgrade: You can even do "QT_DEFAULT_RUNTIME_SYSTEM=" there if you want | 19:58 |
| Sage_ | vgrade: example https://build.pub.meego.com/package/view_file?file=nemo-mobile-hw&package=nemo-mobile-configs-x86-vm&project=CE%3AAdaptation%3Ax86-generic&rev=d7e4ddc457e105b66dbafe99fb1dd781 | 19:58 |
| vgrade | Sage_: thanks, just ran browser ok | 19:59 |
| vgrade | is there a back button? | 19:59 |
| vgrade | I seem to be stuck in each app I open | 19:59 |
| Sage_ | in nemo? | 20:00 |
| Sage_ | "swipe" from the sides to the other side of screen and it minimizes the app | 20:00 |
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| vgrade | Sage_: I only have mouse | 20:07 |
| kulve | vgrade: well, "minimal" in a sense that I ripped of something and got it to ~650M which is the maximum that can be flashed | 20:07 |
| vgrade | Sage_: I'm on A10 STB | 20:09 |
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| Sage_ | vgrade: ah, nice. | 20:12 |
| vgrade | Sage_: another SoC for nemo :) | 20:13 |
| vgrade | what resolution did you run the snowball? | 20:14 |
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| vgrade | Sage_: so no way to swipe with a mouse? did nemo once have a back key or was that meego tablet | 20:16 |
| kontio | according to the RS FAQ page my RPi should be shipped this week... ordered 16. July... let's see if it comes soon... | 20:18 |
| kontio | no looked up wrong... next week... | 20:19 |
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| Stskeeps | vgrade: that really performs miserably.. interesting | 21:05 |
| Stskeeps | well browser is ok | 21:05 |
| Stskeeps | wth | 21:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:05 |
| vgrade | it starts off badly then it speeds up when I'm moving the icons | 21:09 |
| vgrade | you can see the step change as though something is working / caching in the background | 21:09 |
| vgrade | also running 1280x1024 not 800x480 | 21:10 |
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| vgrade | Stskeeps: any idea how to generate a swipe with mouse/keyboard to get out of app? | 21:12 |
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| Stskeeps | move from bottom and up, straight line | 21:17 |
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| Stskeeps | around middle | 21:17 |
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| vgrade | Stskeeps: not working does is rely on mcompositor | 21:31 |
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| [ol] | Stskeeps: Hi! How was your exam? | 21:39 |
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| CosmoHill | vgrade, this on the rpi? | 21:44 |
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| lbt | [ol]: don't ask ... | 21:44 |
| CosmoHill | lbt: why are you on a car bonnet...? | 21:44 |
| [ol] | lbt: OK, I'm revoking the question. | 21:45 |
| lbt | *g* ... | 21:45 |
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| vgrade | CosmoHill: no Mele A1000 stb | 21:46 |
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| odin_ | vgrade, did you have a local meetup on Friday? | 21:49 |
| vgrade | odin_: HI | 21:51 |
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| vgrade | odin_: I was not able to get there I'm afraid, there were a few turn up | 21:52 |
| vgrade | lbt: frisbie | 21:52 |
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| lbt | vgrade: fucking thing... grrr... and I so *hate* people who get it working, post a video and neglect little details like the bloody ,config or which sha1 of the kernel they used | 21:55 |
| odin_ | vgrade, ok I am looking up what I missed, the date clashed with my nephews fundraiser so I hope to be there next time :) | 21:56 |
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| lbt | I'm going to post "Next release of Mer SDK works wonderfully, here's a video ... it's on the internet, good luck finding an image" | 21:56 |
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| lbt | and I don't bloody care about the kernel - any half-assed real dev board has a serial console so dicking around with hacking devices is for l33t h4cker kiddies | 21:58 |
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| vgrade | lbt: :) | 22:04 |
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| CosmoHill | lbt: you sound as angery as I was with the royal mail website | 22:06 |
| lbt | yeah ... hacker kiddies on forumz piss me off | 22:06 |
| sledges | lbt, the kernel might not be upstream, heavily patched from internal BSP's SDK, quite often the case :{ | 22:06 |
| sledges | during ELCE last week we had stark sentences - UPSTREAM UPSTEAM! from Linux LTSI | 22:07 |
| sledges | everyone agreed | 22:07 |
| lbt | actually a lot is upstream | 22:07 |
| CosmoHill | lbt: like a forum thread that asks a question then later goes "thanks, fixed it" without telling you how you fix it | 22:07 |
| lbt | so they're not all bad :) | 22:07 |
| sledges | when making a contract with customer - quote for extra effort to upstream | 22:07 |
| sledges | if they say "no" - say "no" back to the future with that customer :) | 22:07 |
| lbt | sledges: the main issue is that I have a booting system to cdc_ether ssh | 22:07 |
| lbt | *g* | 22:08 |
| lbt | but I can't replace that u-boot with my u-boot | 22:08 |
| sledges | and eventually the world will become a better place :) | 22:08 |
| lbt | the kernel is open but has no /proc/config.gz | 22:08 |
| sledges | that was the ELCE's message (I like :)) | 22:08 |
| lbt | (which should be mandatory) | 22:08 |
| sledges | ok | 22:08 |
| vgrade | lbt, http://linux-sunxi.org/FirstSteps http://linux-sunxi.org/Mali400 and code at https://github.com/linux-sunxi | 22:09 |
| vgrade | lbt, instructions for me on wiki soon | 22:09 |
| CosmoHill | lbt: this wil make you smile: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mThuiN-03tM&feature=youtu.be | 22:09 |
| lbt | vgrade: oh, I'm way ahead on that :) http://www.denx.de/wiki/view/DULG/RootFileSystemInAReadOnlyFile | 22:09 |
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| lbt | I have a personally hacked u-boot with fast re-make on env_common.c changes | 22:10 |
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| lbt | I have embedded intramfs with a minimal debian busybox inside it | 22:10 |
| lbt | android flavour rndis | 22:10 |
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| lbt | all tried | 22:11 |
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| lbt | I just don't have a serial port | 22:11 |
| lbt | nook says it has uart over usb | 22:11 |
| sledges | so they did not configure console properly? | 22:12 |
| sledges | even on imx one kernel is set to one serial device, and linaro's kernel the devnode for that is already different, @_#*& | 22:13 |
| sledges | and if you mix up kernels, can forget seeing console again :) | 22:13 |
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| lbt | well, it's production .. if I take it apart and solder stuff - but the annoying thing is... I shouldn't need to | 22:14 |
| lbt | the work's been done | 22:14 |
| lbt | but the people who did it can't be arsed to document it to a reproducable level | 22:14 |
| lbt | thus demonstrating that their time is more valuable than yours and whils they're happy to use your code, forget sharing in return | 22:15 |
| lbt | *grr* | 22:15 |
| vgrade | lbt , what are you trying ? | 22:15 |
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| lbt | just to boot the nook with my own kernel/u-boot | 22:17 |
| lbt | vgrade: do you have one? | 22:17 |
| vgrade | lbt: not one in my arsenal I'm afraid. where does the u-boot live ? on the intenal flash? | 22:18 |
| lbt | no, the boot sequence is nice | 22:18 |
| lbt | pop in SD card with FAT partition and MLO/uboot/uImage | 22:19 |
| vgrade | internal first stage checks sdcard for uboot? | 22:19 |
| lbt | and it boots them | 22:19 |
| lbt | no serial - so you're blind | 22:19 |
| lbt | (oh, and uRamdisk) I have a working set from a hack called 'nooter' | 22:20 |
| vgrade | no console on screen either? did you have issues with the CHS | 22:20 |
| lbt | sorted those | 22:21 |
| lbt | no console on screen | 22:21 |
| sledges | nooker would be more appropriate also for all the bad reasons :) | 22:21 |
| lbt | :) | 22:21 |
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| vgrade | i've used adb in the past to enable comms to pc but as you say one is working blind until you get that up | 22:24 |
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| lbt | so the SD card works - I can replace MLO with my MLO. hold down power, watch dmesg and if I use the known-good uboot/kernel/uRamdisk then I get cdc_ether | 22:24 |
| lbt | this tells me I'm compiling MLO and it runs | 22:24 |
| lbt | so that's good | 22:25 |
| lbt | now I look at 'strings' in unknown u-boot | 22:25 |
| lbt | that gets me | 22:25 |
| lbt | http://pastie.org/5379478 | 22:25 |
| lbt | so I hack around in u-boot and reproduced that | 22:25 |
| lbt | wouldn't boot the 'alien' kernel | 22:26 |
| lbt | which is spooky | 22:26 |
| lbt | weird shit: loadaddr=0x81c00000 | 22:26 |
| lbt | but file <alien kernel> shows Load Address: 0x80008000, Entry Point: 0x80008000 | 22:27 |
| lbt | that I don't get | 22:27 |
| lbt | so I'm having a go now with my kernel using bootcmd=mmcinit; fatload mmc 0:1 ${loadaddr} uImage; bootm ${loadaddr} | 22:28 |
| lbt | and using 0x80008000 for loadadr (which is what the kernel says) | 22:29 |
| lbt | but no luck | 22:29 |
| lbt | ouch : http://www.cyanogenmod.org/blog | 22:31 |
| lbt | that's really unfortunate | 22:31 |
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| lbt | Announce : 0.20121115.1 is released : http://www.merproject.org/activity | 22:49 |
| w00t | w00t | 22:50 |
| faenil | daily release :D | 22:50 |
| CosmoHill | lbt: wtf kinda page is that? | 22:53 |
| lbt | rss | 22:53 |
| lbt | well, atom really | 22:53 |
| CosmoHill | on the new mer site, would you like this kinda information displayed as a page / blog post? | 22:54 |
| lbt | it's a feed | 22:54 |
| lbt | so a feed plugin usually | 22:54 |
| CosmoHill | okay | 22:58 |
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| zenvoid | lbt: is your u-boot and kernel compiled from B&N sources or from other sources? | 23:00 |
| lbt | zenvoid: tried both | 23:01 |
| lbt | currently I'm using B&N | 23:01 |
| lbt | with rndis enabled on the android usb gadget | 23:02 |
| lbt | and an initramfs | 23:02 |
| zenvoid | ok | 23:02 |
| lbt | do you know about the loadaddr? | 23:02 |
| lbt | should it match? | 23:02 |
| zenvoid | I don't know other sources but B&N worked for me | 23:02 |
| lbt | I get nothing onscreen at all - normal ? | 23:03 |
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| lbt | no splash, no fbcons | 23:03 |
| zenvoid | ok get console on screen , but probably I had to change .config (don't remember right noe) | 23:03 |
| zenvoid | got | 23:04 |
| lbt | hmm, OK, that'd be good | 23:04 |
| zenvoid | sorry for my english impossible to understand :P | 23:04 |
| lbt | hehe ... geektalk is fine | 23:04 |
| zenvoid | i remember i've changed u-boot logo to display a penguin | 23:05 |
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| lbt | well, I wanted to make incremental changes | 23:05 |
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| lbt | I'm a bit surprised why I can't boot nooter kernel using my uboot | 23:06 |
| lbt | nooter kernel shows the same load/run address as my b&n kernel | 23:06 |
| lbt | 80008000 | 23:06 |
| lbt | which is not what I see in nooter u-boot.bin using strings | 23:06 |
| zenvoid | I think I have 0x81c00000 | 23:06 |
| lbt | yeah, that's what I saw | 23:07 |
| zenvoid | give me a second, I'll search | 23:07 |
| lbt | what does file <your kernel> say ? | 23:07 |
| zenvoid | fatload mmc 0:1 0x81c00000 uImage | 23:09 |
| zenvoid | setenv bootargs ${commonbootargs} root=/dev/mmcblk1p2 | 23:09 |
| zenvoid | bootm 0x81c00000 | 23:09 |
| lbt | mmcblk1p2 ? | 23:10 |
| lbt | hmm that's internal mmc ? | 23:10 |
| zenvoid | well, it is the location of my debian armfh partition xD | 23:10 |
| lbt | not SD card though | 23:10 |
| lbt | on the kernel I can ssh to I see that SD is mmcblk0 - it only has p1/p2 | 23:11 |
| zenvoid | hmm.. strange, it should be sd card | 23:11 |
| lbt | well, I'm going with initramfs for now anyway | 23:11 |
| lbt | so ssh into that to see dmesg | 23:12 |
| lbt | if you could see what you set in .config to get the fbcons that'd be nice | 23:12 |
| zenvoid | yeah, i have a kernel without initramfs... | 23:13 |
| zenvoid | and it seems I've patched it | 23:13 |
| zenvoid | don't remember what are the patches for | 23:13 |
| lbt | just the config would be a start - what version? | 23:14 |
| lbt | 2.6.32.9 here iirc | 23:14 |
| zenvoid | http://zenvoid.org/tmp/config-2.6.32 | 23:15 |
| zenvoid | sorry | 23:15 |
| zenvoid | http://zenvoid.org/tmp/config-2.6.32-nookcolor | 23:15 |
| zenvoid | the last one | 23:15 |
| lbt | ok, I'll diff that | 23:16 |
| zenvoid | if you continue to have problems, i can put tomorrow everything inside a tar.gz, u-boot and patched kernel | 23:17 |
| zenvoid | it boots debian with fb console | 23:17 |
| lbt | source/config would be neat | 23:18 |
| zenvoid | ok | 23:18 |
| lbt | I mainly need a starting point so I can build on it | 23:18 |
| lbt | so frustrating finding so many random binary kernels with no config and no link to built-from source | 23:19 |
| zenvoid | yeah, true | 23:19 |
| lbt | so thanks for this - I'll have a go :) | 23:19 |
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| zenvoid | I'll upload it tomorrow, now going to sleep :) | 23:20 |
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| lbt | g'night - ty | 23:21 |
| zenvoid | oh that's quite interesting, my "file uImage" says 0x80008000, but my u-boot has 0x81c00000 and it works... | 23:24 |
| zenvoid | havn't noticed until now | 23:24 |
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| lbt | yeah - spooky | 23:29 |
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| wmarone | lbt: did you get the image I posted earlier? | 23:34 |
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| lbt | wmarone: maybe not? | 23:37 |
| wmarone | ok | 23:38 |
| wmarone | lbt: http://side-7.us/pub/ | 23:38 |
| lbt | ah - yes, just found it | 23:38 |
| lbt | I'll pull + examine - ty | 23:39 |
| wmarone | np | 23:39 |
| lbt | fbconsole ? | 23:39 |
| wmarone | actually I think that goes all the way into Xorg | 23:39 |
| lbt | OK - cdc_ether may not work then ? | 23:40 |
| wmarone | you should see kernel boot | 23:40 |
| wmarone | don't recall | 23:40 |
| lbt | OK :) | 23:40 |
| vgrade | lbt: are you compiling your kernel in mer sdk? | 23:40 |
| lbt | yes | 23:40 |
| lbt | sb2 make -j4 | 23:41 |
| vgrade | did you modify the makefile | 23:41 |
| vgrade | for old kernels and new gcc | 23:41 |
| lbt | ah... no | 23:41 |
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| lbt | tell me more | 23:41 |
| vgrade | wiki kernel aaptation | 23:41 |
| vgrade | sec | 23:42 |
| lbt | +KBUILD_CFLAGS += -mno-unaligned-access | 23:42 |
| vgrade | yes | 23:42 |
| vgrade | night | 23:43 |
| lbt | hmm - but that doesn't explain why u-boot fails to boot a good kernel | 23:43 |
| lbt | 'night vgrade | 23:43 |
| lbt | vgrade: ping first | 23:43 |
| lbt | oh well - msg me if you're around :) | 23:44 |
| vgrade | how do I get to 11 in irsii | 23:44 |
| vgrade | :) | 23:45 |
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| lbt | is there a "next" ? | 23:45 |
| lbt | /win 11 | 23:45 |
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