Sunday, 2012-11-11

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situMorning everyone06:04
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rc_morning Stskeeps08:20
rc_btw i booked for fosdem :)08:21
Stskeepsgood :)08:22
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Stskeepsnsuffys: good video, thanks09:30
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nsuffysStskeeps, , it is a pleasure. thank you :)09:32
nsuffysI think investing in a better camera09:33
Jopeany hot tips for n900 + nemo overclocking? :-)09:34
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Stskeepsnever tested it09:34
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CosmoHillhi dm8tbr09:36
dm8tbrlo CosmoHill09:37
Stskeepsdm8tbr: any interesting tidbits from ELCE?09:37
dm8tbrStskeeps: plenty of stuff, need to distill this all...09:37
* dm8tbr got an FRI2 M2M board from intel09:38
Sage_Stskeeps: abandon,74909:38
dm8tbrcurrently trying it out, but the static address from the docs doesn't work and hdmi doesn't seem to use EDID...09:38
StskeepsSage_: you should be able to abandon it yourself09:38
Stskeepsdm8tbr: oh that looks cute09:39
dm8tbrStskeeps: especially in the version decorated by koen and me in SFO09:39
Stskeepsdm8tbr: plenty of OE stickers?09:40
dm8tbrpushed to your g+09:40
dm8tbrI'm not sure, I think we used yocto stickers09:40
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dm8tbroh and it gets really hot...09:41
dm8tbrafter all it's intel09:41
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Sage_Stskeeps: can you kick,851 and,84409:42
Stskeepsdm8tbr: ah, like aava mobile09:42
StskeepsSage_: tomorrow, i want to get qt in today and don't want to burden builder tomorrow09:43
Stskeepsmerging connman and pixman atm09:43
dm8tbrnever got to play with an aava :)09:43
Stskeepsdm8tbr: it was perfect for finnish winters..09:43
Sage_Stskeeps: and,575 and,85309:44
Sage_Stskeeps: ok09:44
dm8tbrand had a battery life of 23min?09:44
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lbtmorning al09:44
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CosmoHillhi lbt09:47
CosmoHillI have a bad feeling my ISP have limited my connection speed09:47
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Stskeepslbt: hoping to have a prerelease available tonight09:47
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lbtStskeeps: OK - anything we should try to get done today to be included?09:50
Stskeepswell, i'm waiting for qt4.8.3 and that's last content09:50
lbtany blockers09:53
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* lbt can't figure out a search for that09:55
Merbot`Mer bug 518 in .Project-core "Define mer_version for each of the releases to make it possible to use same packaging against multiple mer versions" [Critical,New]09:56
lbt"Modified: 2012-08-13 11:14 UTC" hmm09:57
Stskeepswell, i'll start getting on it, starting to clean up things atm too so09:58
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Stskeepsproblem is the need to tag and prjconf modify at same time09:58
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CosmoHillyou know you're internet is screwed when you can't load the speedtest page10:15
Stskeepslbt: importing -next to too btw when you do?10:20
lbtOK - I've been waiting for nemo migration to be ready before I add that to the process10:21
Stskeepswell, i'm starting zephyr activities there so10:22
Stskeepshence me asking :)10:22
lbtOK - can do10:22
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Stskeepslbt: what kind of infra is needed to do 'releases' a-la how mer-tools does it?10:38
CosmoHillbastards have capped me10:39
StskeepsCosmoHill: ISPs have introduced a new rule that if you're consistently off-topic, they cap your internet access ;)10:39
CosmoHilli bet it was you wasn't it10:40
* CosmoHill shakes fist10:40
lbtStskeeps: what do you mean by infra? disk space?10:40
Stskeepsi wish, i don't yield that kind of power10:40
Stskeepslbt: as in, what makes the releases10:40
Stskeeps / how are they triggered10:40
lbt;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/lbt (not quite up to date)10:40
lbtrm -rf ../releases/tools/rolling/builds; tools/ --conf --make-repos --publish --next rolling10:41
Stskeepsand i presume no BOSS-integration yet?10:43
lbtno, there's no automatic trigger to tie it too atm10:43
lbtand that script needs a little polish each time I do something like add an arch10:44
lbtAard has some ssu stuff he's going to release so I was waiting on that too10:45
lbt"The requested URL /files/mer/uRamdisk was not found on this server" ;/10:45
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Stskeepshello A8511:54
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* Stskeeps mumbles something about people on twitter being totally full of bullshit12:13
CosmoHillpst, don't read the youtube comments12:13
Stskeepsyeah, that's much worse :P12:17
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CosmoHillit amazes me the kinda arguments you see on there with no idea how they got there from the video12:19
iekkuCosmoHill, people are really amazing, aren't they12:20
* iekku often wonders stupidy of mankind.. :P12:21
* CosmoHill plays openttd with his bro12:22
iekkumostly when seeing herself from the mirror :P12:23
* CosmoHill prepares to duck12:23
iekkuCosmoHill, didn't you know?12:24
iekkui usually forget but there's always someone reminding that i'm female :P12:25
CosmoHillas long as you're human I don't really care :)12:25
iekkuoh s**t12:26
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CosmoHillokay now I'm worried12:26
CosmoHillI'm a cis male btw :)12:28
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Stskeepsqt4.8.3 merged, let's see how it helps things13:48
Stskeepsand qtwayland, libxkbcommon and qtwayland in two configurations, wayland egl and nogl13:50
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lbtwhen playing with uboot and x-loader in the platform SDK then this works nicely:  CROSS_COMPILE="sb2 -t mer_armv7l_min " make17:11
Stskeepsbut i guess it'd work17:11
lbtnot quite sure how to do it in obs17:12
lbtneed host-gcc - and probably makefile hacks17:12
Stskeepsyeah, true17:13
lbtI have an SD card flashed - but the device just stays blank atm - and nothing on usb on pc17:13
Stskeepscant you reuse what sage has for panda?17:13
Stskeepsomap and all17:13
lbtmaybe - where is it?17:14
StskeepsCE:Adaptation somewhere17:14
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Stskeepslbt: go for prerelease17:34
Stskeepsand import to too ideally17:39
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aportalew00t: ping (low prio)17:48
Stskeepsanything i could help with?17:57
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aportaleStskeeps: Perhaps. I used the latest Mer VM image by lbt did "sudo zypper in sdk-utils rpm-build meego-rpm-config" and executed "mb foo.spec". No error message, but also no .rpm package, anywhere. Now I wonder if any other package is missing18:10
Stskeepsaportale: hmmm18:11
Stskeepsaportale: how about normal messages? pastebin?18:12
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aportaleStskeeps: Ok. I first tried it with a "ssh wrapper script" for mb, and there was no output. Now, I ssh'ed into Mer and did the same and got This looks like a passwd issue which should be easy to fix.18:16
aportaleStskeeps: I'll investigate why my wrapper script did such a bad job.18:17
Stskeepsyeah, that looks like the passwd issue18:17
aportaleStskeeps: Is there a standard fix for it?18:17
aportaleStskeeps: I guess copying one line from one file to the otehr18:17
lbtaportale: I have a fix and will put something in the webapp18:18
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lbtcd to the target's root and18:19
lbtecho "mersdk:x:1001:1001::/home/mersdk:/bin/bash" >> etc/passwd18:19
lbtecho "mersdk:x:1001:" >> etc/group18:19
Stskeeps1001 is what uid?18:19
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lbtsharedfolders are like vfat and it's hardcoded into the mount18:22
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aportalelbt, Stskeeps: Cool. I got further. rpmbuild even compiled the app (do we want that in our build/deploy/fix cycle?). But then it stopped again:
lbtdid    zypper in sdk-utils rpm-build meego-rpm-config      work properly?18:27
aportalefile /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.IE2h5k does not exist18:27
lbtno, it's a temp file holding the scriptlet18:27
aportalelbt: My "sudo zypper in sdk-utils rpm-build meego-rpm-config" went fine.18:28
Stskeepsaportale: installed rpm-build into target too?18:28
aportaleStskeeps: Perhaps not.18:28
lbtStskeeps: mb doesn't run rpm in the target18:29
Stskeepslbt: hm?18:29
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Stskeepslbt: it runs rpmbuild in the target18:29
lbtok, ignore me18:29
Stskeepsthat said, it does look like a point we need to fix in sb218:30
aportaleStskeeps: Do I need to use zypper for my target?18:30
lbtwe don't run mb in the target, it calls sb2 itself - which is meh18:30
Stskeepsaportale: check if usr/lib/rpm/brp-compress exists in the target18:30
lbtnote that this is fixed in my minimal targets18:31
aportaleStskeeps: Does not exist.18:31
Stskeepsok, that's why then18:32
lbtthat's a mer-min, not nemo ... same principle though18:32
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Stskeepslbt: do you know much about how the linux cache and swapiness works?18:35
lbtI've played with it a bit18:36
lbtwhat kind of usage?18:36
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phaeronwhy is meego wiki still down18:37
Stskeepsphaeron: they're trying to hide the truth from us ;(18:37
lbtAdam mailed me - he hit his time allocation for admin for last week18:38
lbtglusterfs is messed up after the phost consolidtion he did18:38
Stskeepslbt: think along these lines: 256 mb NAND (r/w), 64mb RAM, we have ~32mb of ramzswap in the NAND and we'd like to see how much can fit in there, by actively dropping cache (we can load it quickly enough)18:39
Stskeepslbt: what vm settings would be for that18:39
lbtcall ... bbiam18:40
timophbtw, how long has it been from the last meego release?18:40
Stskeepstimoph: enough for me to back up my stuff from c.obs on a regular basis18:41
timophI got that part covered as well18:41
timophI was thinking about the wiki content18:41
timophthere still might be some stuff there worth rescuing18:42
Stskeepslbt should have a backup18:42
aportalelbt: Will a target with the rpmbuld fixes be available somewhere early this week? :D18:42
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aportalelbt: And do you know if w00t happens to be at the DevDays in Berlin?18:43
Stskeepsfairly sure he's in norway at the moment18:43
lbtStskeeps: high vfs_cache_pressure and low swappiness18:44
aportaleStskeeps: Ok.18:44
lbtaportale: do you want it now?18:45
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lbttimoph: I have backups - but this is a sysamin glitch combined with low prio response and no resources18:45
timophlbt: ack18:46
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Bostikaportale: I noticed that you tripped over the gcc 4.6/4.7 and gold linker mismatch with qtwebkit18:48
lbtStskeeps: vfs_cache_pressure can be very large (100k)18:48
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lbtand swappiness is 0..100 ...usually midway according to google - can go <1018:49
Stskeepslbt: ok18:50
Stskeepslbt: pondering how much i can get out of really crappy hw, so18:50
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aportalelbt: Thanks!18:57
Stskeepslbt: how's release going?18:57
lbtdoing i586 atm18:58
Bostikaportale: did you see the kludge I used to waltz around it?18:58
StskeepsBostik: btw, i saw qt4.8.3 talk about 'using gold linker' too18:58
Stskeepsfor webkit .pro side18:58
Bostikhm, there might be new stuff under qtwebkit/Tools/qmake then18:59
* Bostik goes have a look18:59
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Bostiknothing yet19:01
Stskeeps-fuse-ld=gold.. that really doesn't exist in linaro gcc?19:04
aportaleBostik: I got around it with
aportaleBostik: Which was your cludge? :)19:04
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StskeepsBostik: how much would you give in bribe for fuse-ld=gold option in mer gcc?19:11
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BostikStskeeps: depends on who is bankrolling me, my personal budget is not enough to cover it19:14
Stskeepsi found the ubuntu patch so i'll add it19:14
Bostikaportale: see the XXX part in .spec;
Bostikaportale: so I basically abuse the fact that I *know* gold's presence in advance and then use the fact that collect2 uses $PATH to find the 'ld' binary19:16
Bostikfor cross-tools I'd need to come up with something saner, such as extra -B option...19:19
aportaleBostik: Looks definitely cooler than mine :) I keep my fingers crossed that this works for all kinds of targets.19:19
aportaleBostik: I had that issue in dummy-plain Ubuntu 12.10, trying to build Desktop Qt.19:21
BostikI disagree about "cool" part, what I do there is nasty stuff that one should not need to rely on19:22
aportaleBostik: Indeed. I agree with your disagreement.19:22
aportaleBostik: There must be hundreds of people having exactly that issue with QtWebkit on latest distros. A proper qmake-based workaround in Qt 4.x is needed.19:24
lbtBostik: why don't you write an article about it for LWN - they may even pay you - it may also attract attention and a fix19:25
Bostiklbt: now that's an angle I hadn't even known _possible_19:26
Bostikcouldn't care about if they paid me or not, but this is certainly worth global karma :)19:27
lbtyep - and it's really quite interesting to their audience19:28
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Bostiksorry if I seem distracted, daughter wants attention and is just about to take first steps...19:39
Stskeepsspend time with her then :)19:41
Stskeepsfirst steps are important19:41
Venemo_N9Bostik, why're you sitting in front of a screen then. go and be with your daughter19:42
Stskeepsthe mystery continues.. from what i can see, fuse-ld=gold doesn't actually get enabled for gcc-4.619:42
vgrademele a1000 booting mer to console :)19:59
Stskeepsvgrade: congrats :)20:00
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vgradeStskeeps:about time I did some HA after the wl stuff20:09
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vgradeA10 seems to be popular atm20:10
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lbtgrrr .... microSD card suddenly became a 1Gb card from being 8Gb20:18
fk_lxtoo  bad it doesn't work in the other way ;-)20:19
vgradelbt: I had two 16Gb cards go bad on me during HA20:19
lbtI think it cracked20:20
Stskeepslbt: partition table?20:20
lbtusb dmesg20:20
lbt[3025007.555079] sd 16:0:0:0: [sdi] 15554560 512-byte logical blocks: (7.96 GB/7.41 GiB)20:20
lbt[3057437.100829] sd 19:0:0:0: [sdk] 2097152 512-byte logical blocks: (1.07 GB/1.00 GiB)20:21
lbt[3057877.237882] Buffer I/O error on device sdi, logical block 6020:21
lbtbye bye20:21
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Jake9xxinteresting day today, internet-wise. Home-wise it was one of the best (fathers' day)20:26
Stskeepsplaying with 'mini' mer,
Jake9xxso, company X pulled the plug or was it the cleaning lady accidentially pulled a plug while cleaning old abandoned office?20:27
vgradeStskeeps: now that is mini20:27
Jake9xx12M ? That's small20:28
Jake9xx\o/ Stskeeps20:28
Stskeepscompressed, that is20:29
Stskeepsgives a good approximation of how it'd fit in a NAND20:29
Stskeeps(ubifs etc)20:29
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Jake9xxI'm looking at different websites to mod my asus zenbook20:33
Jake9xx-500GB drive, +OSZ Vertex III20:33
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Herve5hi all20:51
lbthey Herve520:52
Herve5was just joining to see how active Mer was ;-)20:53
Herve5(seen a mention on /. just now)20:54
lbtoh, pretty active20:54
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lbt :)20:55
Stskeepscurrently putting out a prerelease, with new content such as qml compositor and qt 4.8.320:55
lbtStskeeps: it's done btw20:55
Herve5the /. mention:
Stskeepsimporting to cobs too?20:56
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StskeepsHerve5: yeah, but he hasn't seen demos like ;)20:57
Stskeepsshort but significant20:57
Herve5impressive --what I lack is info on the supporting hardware20:58
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Stskeepsso mer's a little different in that regard - mer's just a core, doesn't have hardware adaptations or UI in it. so we quite flexible on where you can put us. is a good list of where we run atm20:59
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Stskeepsbut libhybris will enable one to take an existing android adaptation and use it for non-android systems21:00
Stskeepsso that's suddenly a lot of devices21:00
Stskeepswith graphics acceleration and all21:00
Herve5thanks for the link!21:01
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Stskeepsno problem - if you have any questions on Mer, feel free to ask at any time, else feel free to hang out and learn more21:02
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Sage_Stskeeps, lbt: latest omap4 is in my home branch actually.21:12
Sage_the one in CE:Adaptaiton is broken. I haven't had time to rebase it21:12
lbtSage_: OK - ty. I'm just trying to get something booted manually atm21:12
lbtno serial port or feedback :/21:13
lbtdoesn't even have a backlight or LED !21:13
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Stskeepslbt: if at all possible, avoid compiling own uboot and x-loader at first21:13
Stskeepshey ilink_sycbase21:13
lbtStskeeps: the u-boot config is quite custom21:14
Stskeepsilink_sycbase: welcome to #mer :) so what brings you here?21:14
ilink_sycbasemaemo meego mer moblin projects21:15
Stskeepsilink_sycbase: alright :) if you have any questions, feel free to ask at any time, else feel free to hang out21:15
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vgrademali xorg driver not compiling against Mer 1.13.0 xorg, :(22:17
Stskeepslook for patches we have for snowball22:18
vgradethanks to Sage_22:21
vgradeCloseScreen is the one22:21
vgradeup late Stskeeps22:22
* CosmoHill offers coffee22:23
CosmoHillwould now be a bad time to point out a spam post on the meego forum?22:27
CosmoHillgot spam in the sig22:28
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vgradeCosmoHill: surprised the forum is still running22:42
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M4rtinKmight not be a bad idea to back it up too22:44
M4rtinKthere are a few threads that might still hold some useful Harmattan info22:44
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CosmoHillnight night23:16
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CosmoHillLablonczy: how are you?23:47
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