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| situ | Morning everyone | 06:04 |
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| Stskeeps | morn | 08:16 |
| rc_ | morning Stskeeps | 08:20 |
| rc_ | btw i booked for fosdem :) | 08:21 |
| Stskeeps | good :) | 08:22 |
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| CosmoHill | woof | 09:17 |
| dm8tbr | moooo | 09:18 |
| CosmoHill | hey | 09:21 |
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| Stskeeps | nsuffys: good video, thanks | 09:30 |
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| nsuffys | Stskeeps, , it is a pleasure. thank you :) | 09:32 |
| nsuffys | I think investing in a better camera | 09:33 |
| Jope | any hot tips for n900 + nemo overclocking? :-) | 09:34 |
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| Stskeeps | never tested it | 09:34 |
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| CosmoHill | hi dm8tbr | 09:36 |
| dm8tbr | lo CosmoHill | 09:37 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: any interesting tidbits from ELCE? | 09:37 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: plenty of stuff, need to distill this all... | 09:37 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 09:37 |
| * dm8tbr got an FRI2 M2M board from intel | 09:38 | |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: abandon http://review.merproject.org/#change,749 | 09:38 |
| dm8tbr | currently trying it out, but the static address from the docs doesn't work and hdmi doesn't seem to use EDID... | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: you should be able to abandon it yourself | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: oh that looks cute | 09:39 |
| Sage_ | ah | 09:39 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: especially in the version decorated by koen and me in SFO | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: plenty of OE stickers? | 09:40 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:40 |
| dm8tbr | pushed to your g+ | 09:40 |
| dm8tbr | I'm not sure, I think we used yocto stickers | 09:40 |
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| Stskeeps | :nod: | 09:40 |
| dm8tbr | oh and it gets really hot... | 09:41 |
| dm8tbr | after all it's intel | 09:41 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: can you kick http://review.merproject.org/#change,851 and http://review.merproject.org/#change,844 | 09:42 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: ah, like aava mobile | 09:42 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: tomorrow, i want to get qt in today and don't want to burden builder tomorrow | 09:43 |
| Stskeeps | merging connman and pixman atm | 09:43 |
| dm8tbr | never got to play with an aava :) | 09:43 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: it was perfect for finnish winters.. | 09:43 |
| dm8tbr | :D | 09:44 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: and http://review.merproject.org/#change,575 and http://review.merproject.org/#change,853 | 09:44 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: ok | 09:44 |
| dm8tbr | and had a battery life of 23min? | 09:44 |
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| lbt | morning al | 09:44 |
| lbt | l | 09:44 |
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| CosmoHill | hi lbt | 09:47 |
| CosmoHill | I have a bad feeling my ISP have limited my connection speed | 09:47 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: hoping to have a prerelease available tonight | 09:47 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: OK - anything we should try to get done today to be included? | 09:50 |
| Stskeeps | well, i'm waiting for qt4.8.3 and that's last content | 09:50 |
| lbt | any blockers | 09:53 |
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| * lbt can't figure out a search for that | 09:55 | |
| lbt | https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=518 | 09:56 |
| Merbot` | Mer bug 518 in .Project-core "Define mer_version for each of the releases to make it possible to use same packaging against multiple mer versions" [Critical,New] | 09:56 |
| lbt | "Modified: 2012-08-13 11:14 UTC" hmm | 09:57 |
| Stskeeps | well, i'll start getting on it, starting to clean up things atm too so | 09:58 |
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| Stskeeps | problem is the need to tag and prjconf modify at same time | 09:58 |
| lbt | yes | 09:59 |
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| CosmoHill | you know you're internet is screwed when you can't load the speedtest page | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: importing -next to build.merproject.org too btw when you do? | 10:20 |
| lbt | OK - I've been waiting for nemo migration to be ready before I add that to the process | 10:21 |
| Stskeeps | well, i'm starting zephyr activities there so | 10:22 |
| Stskeeps | hence me asking :) | 10:22 |
| lbt | OK - can do | 10:22 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: what kind of infra is needed to do 'releases' a-la how mer-tools does it? | 10:38 |
| CosmoHill | bastards have capped me | 10:39 |
| Stskeeps | CosmoHill: ISPs have introduced a new rule that if you're consistently off-topic, they cap your internet access ;) | 10:39 |
| CosmoHill | i bet it was you wasn't it | 10:40 |
| * CosmoHill shakes fist | 10:40 | |
| lbt | Stskeeps: what do you mean by infra? disk space? | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | i wish, i don't yield that kind of power | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: as in, what makes the releases | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | / how are they triggered | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | etc | 10:40 |
| lbt | http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer/release-tools.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/lbt (not quite up to date) | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 10:41 |
| lbt | rm -rf ../releases/tools/rolling/builds; tools/createrelease.sh --conf release.tools --make-repos --publish --next rolling | 10:41 |
| lbt | http://pastie.org/5359918 | 10:42 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 10:43 |
| Stskeeps | and i presume no BOSS-integration yet? | 10:43 |
| lbt | no, there's no automatic trigger to tie it too atm | 10:43 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 10:43 |
| lbt | and that script needs a little polish each time I do something like add an arch | 10:44 |
| lbt | Aard has some ssu stuff he's going to release so I was waiting on that too | 10:45 |
| lbt | "The requested URL /files/mer/uRamdisk was not found on this server" ;/ | 10:45 |
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| Stskeeps | hello A85 | 11:54 |
| CosmoHill | konichiwa | 11:55 |
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| * Stskeeps mumbles something about people on twitter being totally full of bullshit | 12:13 | |
| CosmoHill | pst, don't read the youtube comments | 12:13 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, that's much worse :P | 12:17 |
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| CosmoHill | it amazes me the kinda arguments you see on there with no idea how they got there from the video | 12:19 |
| iekku | CosmoHill, people are really amazing, aren't they | 12:20 |
| * iekku often wonders stupidy of mankind.. :P | 12:21 | |
| * CosmoHill plays openttd with his bro | 12:22 | |
| iekku | mostly when seeing herself from the mirror :P | 12:23 |
| CosmoHill | "her"? | 12:23 |
| * CosmoHill prepares to duck | 12:23 | |
| iekku | CosmoHill, didn't you know? | 12:24 |
| CosmoHill | nope | 12:24 |
| iekku | i usually forget but there's always someone reminding that i'm female :P | 12:25 |
| CosmoHill | as long as you're human I don't really care :) | 12:25 |
| iekku | oh s**t | 12:26 |
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| CosmoHill | okay now I'm worried | 12:26 |
| iekku | :) | 12:27 |
| CosmoHill | I'm a cis male btw :) | 12:28 |
| iekku | :) | 12:32 |
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| Stskeeps | qt4.8.3 merged, let's see how it helps things | 13:48 |
| Stskeeps | and qtwayland, libxkbcommon and qtwayland in two configurations, wayland egl and nogl | 13:50 |
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| lbt | when playing with uboot and x-loader in the platform SDK then this works nicely: CROSS_COMPILE="sb2 -t mer_armv7l_min " make | 17:11 |
| Stskeeps | evil | 17:11 |
| Stskeeps | but i guess it'd work | 17:11 |
| lbt | not quite sure how to do it in obs | 17:12 |
| lbt | need host-gcc - and probably makefile hacks | 17:12 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, true | 17:13 |
| lbt | I have an SD card flashed - but the device just stays blank atm - and nothing on usb on pc | 17:13 |
| Stskeeps | cant you reuse what sage has for panda? | 17:13 |
| Stskeeps | omap and all | 17:13 |
| lbt | maybe - where is it? | 17:14 |
| Stskeeps | CE:Adaptation somewhere | 17:14 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: go for prerelease | 17:34 |
| lbt | ok | 17:34 |
| Stskeeps | and import to build.merproject.org too ideally | 17:39 |
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| aportale | w00t: ping (low prio) | 17:48 |
| Stskeeps | anything i could help with? | 17:57 |
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| aportale | Stskeeps: Perhaps. I used the latest Mer VM image by lbt did "sudo zypper in sdk-utils rpm-build meego-rpm-config" and executed "mb foo.spec". No error message, but also no .rpm package, anywhere. Now I wonder if any other package is missing | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | aportale: hmmm | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | aportale: how about normal messages? pastebin? | 18:12 |
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| aportale | Stskeeps: Ok. I first tried it with a "ssh wrapper script" for mb, and there was no output. Now, I ssh'ed into Mer and did the same and got http://pastebin.com/9NY5x61T This looks like a passwd issue which should be easy to fix. | 18:16 |
| aportale | Stskeeps: I'll investigate why my wrapper script did such a bad job. | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, that looks like the passwd issue | 18:17 |
| aportale | Stskeeps: Is there a standard fix for it? | 18:17 |
| aportale | Stskeeps: I guess copying one line from one file to the otehr | 18:17 |
| lbt | aportale: I have a fix and will put something in the webapp | 18:18 |
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| lbt | cd to the target's root and | 18:19 |
| lbt | echo "mersdk:x:1001:1001::/home/mersdk:/bin/bash" >> etc/passwd | 18:19 |
| lbt | and | 18:19 |
| lbt | echo "mersdk:x:1001:" >> etc/group | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | 1001 is what uid? | 18:19 |
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| lbt | mersdk | 18:21 |
| lbt | sharedfolders are like vfat and it's hardcoded into the mount | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 18:22 |
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| aportale | lbt, Stskeeps: Cool. I got further. rpmbuild even compiled the app (do we want that in our build/deploy/fix cycle?). But then it stopped again: http://pastebin.com/CURq5cTh | 18:26 |
| lbt | did zypper in sdk-utils rpm-build meego-rpm-config work properly? | 18:27 |
| aportale | file /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.IE2h5k does not exist | 18:27 |
| lbt | no, it's a temp file holding the scriptlet | 18:27 |
| aportale | lbt: My "sudo zypper in sdk-utils rpm-build meego-rpm-config" went fine. | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | aportale: installed rpm-build into target too? | 18:28 |
| aportale | Stskeeps: Perhaps not. | 18:28 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: mb doesn't run rpm in the target | 18:29 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: hm? | 18:29 |
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| lbt | https://github.com/lbt/sdk-setup/blob/master/src/mb | 18:29 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: it runs rpmbuild in the target | 18:29 |
| lbt | ok, ignore me | 18:29 |
| Stskeeps | that said, it does look like a point we need to fix in sb2 | 18:30 |
| aportale | Stskeeps: Do I need to use zypper for my target? | 18:30 |
| lbt | we don't run mb in the target, it calls sb2 itself - which is meh | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | aportale: check if usr/lib/rpm/brp-compress exists in the target | 18:30 |
| lbt | note that this is fixed in my minimal targets | 18:31 |
| aportale | Stskeeps: Does not exist. | 18:31 |
| Stskeeps | ok, that's why then | 18:32 |
| lbt | http://pastie.org/5361659 | 18:32 |
| lbt | that's a mer-min, not nemo ... same principle though | 18:32 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: do you know much about how the linux cache and swapiness works? | 18:35 |
| lbt | I've played with it a bit | 18:36 |
| lbt | what kind of usage? | 18:36 |
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| phaeron | why is meego wiki still down | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: they're trying to hide the truth from us ;( | 18:37 |
| lbt | Adam mailed me - he hit his time allocation for admin for last week | 18:38 |
| phaeron | ok | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 18:38 |
| lbt | glusterfs is messed up after the phost consolidtion he did | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: think along these lines: 256 mb NAND (r/w), 64mb RAM, we have ~32mb of ramzswap in the NAND and we'd like to see how much can fit in there, by actively dropping cache (we can load it quickly enough) | 18:39 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: what vm settings would be for that | 18:39 |
| lbt | call ... bbiam | 18:40 |
| timoph | btw, how long has it been from the last meego release? | 18:40 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: enough for me to back up my stuff from c.obs on a regular basis | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:41 |
| timoph | :) | 18:41 |
| timoph | I got that part covered as well | 18:41 |
| timoph | I was thinking about the wiki content | 18:41 |
| timoph | there still might be some stuff there worth rescuing | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | lbt should have a backup | 18:42 |
| timoph | nice | 18:42 |
| aportale | lbt: Will a target with the rpmbuld fixes be available somewhere early this week? :D | 18:42 |
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| aportale | lbt: And do you know if w00t happens to be at the DevDays in Berlin? | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | fairly sure he's in norway at the moment | 18:43 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: high vfs_cache_pressure and low swappiness | 18:44 |
| aportale | Stskeeps: Ok. | 18:44 |
| lbt | aportale: do you want it now? | 18:45 |
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| lbt | timoph: I have backups - but this is a sysamin glitch combined with low prio response and no resources | 18:45 |
| timoph | lbt: ack | 18:46 |
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| Bostik | aportale: I noticed that you tripped over the gcc 4.6/4.7 and gold linker mismatch with qtwebkit | 18:48 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: vfs_cache_pressure can be very large (100k) | 18:48 |
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| lbt | and swappiness is 0..100 ...usually midway according to google - can go <10 | 18:49 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: ok | 18:50 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: pondering how much i can get out of really crappy hw, so | 18:50 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sysctl/vm.txt | 18:55 |
| lbt | aportale: http://img.merproject.org/images//web/lbt/2-20121111-184729/ | 18:56 |
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| aportale | lbt: Thanks! | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: how's release going? | 18:57 |
| lbt | doing i586 atm | 18:58 |
| Bostik | aportale: did you see the kludge I used to waltz around it? | 18:58 |
| Stskeeps | Bostik: btw, i saw qt4.8.3 talk about 'using gold linker' too | 18:58 |
| Stskeeps | for webkit .pro side | 18:58 |
| Bostik | hm, there might be new stuff under qtwebkit/Tools/qmake then | 18:59 |
| * Bostik goes have a look | 18:59 | |
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| Bostik | nothing yet | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | -fuse-ld=gold.. that really doesn't exist in linaro gcc? | 19:04 |
| aportale | Bostik: I got around it with http://pastie.org/5361780 | 19:04 |
| aportale | Bostik: Which was your cludge? :) | 19:04 |
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| Stskeeps | Bostik: how much would you give in bribe for fuse-ld=gold option in mer gcc? | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:11 |
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| Bostik | Stskeeps: depends on who is bankrolling me, my personal budget is not enough to cover it | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | i found the ubuntu patch so i'll add it | 19:14 |
| Bostik | aportale: see the XXX part in .spec; https://gitorious.org/modular-qt-specwork/modular-qt-specs/commit/f5056e46627ef650ea2e088a9d34fe02e62c6ae3 | 19:15 |
| Bostik | aportale: so I basically abuse the fact that I *know* gold's presence in advance and then use the fact that collect2 uses $PATH to find the 'ld' binary | 19:16 |
| Bostik | for cross-tools I'd need to come up with something saner, such as extra -B option... | 19:19 |
| aportale | Bostik: Looks definitely cooler than mine :) I keep my fingers crossed that this works for all kinds of targets. | 19:19 |
| aportale | Bostik: I had that issue in dummy-plain Ubuntu 12.10, trying to build Desktop Qt. | 19:21 |
| Bostik | I disagree about "cool" part, what I do there is nasty stuff that one should not need to rely on | 19:22 |
| aportale | Bostik: Indeed. I agree with your disagreement. | 19:22 |
| aportale | Bostik: There must be hundreds of people having exactly that issue with QtWebkit on latest distros. A proper qmake-based workaround in Qt 4.x is needed. | 19:24 |
| lbt | Bostik: why don't you write an article about it for LWN - they may even pay you - it may also attract attention and a fix | 19:25 |
| Bostik | lbt: now that's an angle I hadn't even known _possible_ | 19:26 |
| Bostik | couldn't care about if they paid me or not, but this is certainly worth global karma :) | 19:27 |
| lbt | yep - and it's really quite interesting to their audience | 19:28 |
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| Bostik | sorry if I seem distracted, daughter wants attention and is just about to take first steps... | 19:39 |
| Stskeeps | spend time with her then :) | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | first steps are important | 19:41 |
| Venemo_N9 | Bostik, why're you sitting in front of a screen then. go and be with your daughter | 19:42 |
| Stskeeps | the mystery continues.. from what i can see, fuse-ld=gold doesn't actually get enabled for gcc-4.6 | 19:42 |
| vgrade | mele a1000 booting mer to console :) | 19:59 |
| Stskeeps | vgrade: congrats :) | 20:00 |
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| vgrade | Stskeeps:about time I did some HA after the wl stuff | 20:09 |
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| vgrade | A10 seems to be popular atm | 20:10 |
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| lbt | grrr .... microSD card suddenly became a 1Gb card from being 8Gb | 20:18 |
| fk_lx | too bad it doesn't work in the other way ;-) | 20:19 |
| vgrade | lbt: I had two 16Gb cards go bad on me during HA | 20:19 |
| lbt | I think it cracked | 20:20 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: partition table? | 20:20 |
| lbt | usb dmesg | 20:20 |
| lbt | [3025007.555079] sd 16:0:0:0: [sdi] 15554560 512-byte logical blocks: (7.96 GB/7.41 GiB) | 20:20 |
| lbt | [3057437.100829] sd 19:0:0:0: [sdk] 2097152 512-byte logical blocks: (1.07 GB/1.00 GiB) | 20:21 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 20:21 |
| lbt | [3057877.237882] Buffer I/O error on device sdi, logical block 60 | 20:21 |
| lbt | bye bye | 20:21 |
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| Jake9xx | interesting day today, internet-wise. Home-wise it was one of the best (fathers' day) | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | :) | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | playing with 'mini' mer, http://pastie.org/5362084 | 20:27 |
| Jake9xx | so, company X pulled the plug or was it the cleaning lady accidentially pulled a plug while cleaning old abandoned office? | 20:27 |
| vgrade | Stskeeps: now that is mini | 20:27 |
| Jake9xx | 12M ? That's small | 20:28 |
| Jake9xx | \o/ Stskeeps | 20:28 |
| Stskeeps | compressed, that is | 20:29 |
| Stskeeps | gives a good approximation of how it'd fit in a NAND | 20:29 |
| Stskeeps | (ubifs etc) | 20:29 |
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| Jake9xx | I'm looking at different websites to mod my asus zenbook | 20:33 |
| Jake9xx | -500GB drive, +OSZ Vertex III | 20:33 |
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| Herve5 | hi all | 20:51 |
| lbt | hey Herve5 | 20:52 |
| Herve5 | was just joining to see how active Mer was ;-) | 20:53 |
| Herve5 | (seen a mention on /. just now) | 20:54 |
| lbt | oh, pretty active | 20:54 |
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| lbt | http://www.merproject.org/logs/%23mer/ :) | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | currently putting out a prerelease, with new content such as qml compositor and qt 4.8.3 | 20:55 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: it's done btw | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | good | 20:56 |
| Herve5 | the /. mention: http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3244621&cid=41950789 | 20:56 |
| Stskeeps | importing to cobs too? | 20:56 |
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| Stskeeps | Herve5: yeah, but he hasn't seen demos like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hvRP3rcF9o ;) | 20:57 |
| Stskeeps | short but significant | 20:57 |
| Herve5 | impressive --what I lack is info on the supporting hardware | 20:58 |
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| Stskeeps | so mer's a little different in that regard - mer's just a core, doesn't have hardware adaptations or UI in it. so we quite flexible on where you can put us. https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Community_Workspace is a good list of where we run atm | 20:59 |
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| Stskeeps | but libhybris will enable one to take an existing android adaptation and use it for non-android systems | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | so that's suddenly a lot of devices | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | with graphics acceleration and all | 21:00 |
| Herve5 | thanks for the link! | 21:01 |
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| Stskeeps | no problem - if you have any questions on Mer, feel free to ask at any time, else feel free to hang out and learn more | 21:02 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps, lbt: latest omap4 is in my home branch actually. | 21:12 |
| Sage_ | the one in CE:Adaptaiton is broken. I haven't had time to rebase it | 21:12 |
| lbt | Sage_: OK - ty. I'm just trying to get something booted manually atm | 21:12 |
| lbt | no serial port or feedback :/ | 21:13 |
| lbt | doesn't even have a backlight or LED ! | 21:13 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: if at all possible, avoid compiling own uboot and x-loader at first | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | hey ilink_sycbase | 21:13 |
| ilink_sycbase | hi | 21:14 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: the u-boot config is quite custom | 21:14 |
| Stskeeps | ilink_sycbase: welcome to #mer :) so what brings you here? | 21:14 |
| ilink_sycbase | maemo meego mer moblin projects | 21:15 |
| Stskeeps | ilink_sycbase: alright :) if you have any questions, feel free to ask at any time, else feel free to hang out | 21:15 |
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| vgrade | mali xorg driver not compiling against Mer 1.13.0 xorg, :( | 22:17 |
| Stskeeps | look for patches we have for snowball | 22:18 |
| vgrade | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/view_file?file=0001-Match-API-changes-in-X-server.patch&package=xorg-x11-drv-fbdev-sgx&project=home%3Acxl000%3ACE%3AAdaptation%3APandora&rev=eadb9f40e2079c7967981dee7d846046 | 22:21 |
| vgrade | thanks to Sage_ | 22:21 |
| vgrade | CloseScreen is the one | 22:21 |
| vgrade | up late Stskeeps | 22:22 |
| * CosmoHill offers coffee | 22:23 | |
| CosmoHill | would now be a bad time to point out a spam post on the meego forum? | 22:27 |
| CosmoHill | http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?s=7fa9c1639ecdaa958fecf2a58a60f4eb&p=15711&postcount=3 | 22:28 |
| CosmoHill | got spam in the sig | 22:28 |
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| vgrade | CosmoHill: surprised the forum is still running | 22:42 |
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| M4rtinK | might not be a bad idea to back it up too | 22:44 |
| M4rtinK | there are a few threads that might still hold some useful Harmattan info | 22:44 |
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| CosmoHill | night night | 23:16 |
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| Lablonczy | hello? | 23:42 |
| Lablonczy | help | 23:43 |
| CosmoHill | hi | 23:43 |
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| CosmoHill | Lablonczy: how are you? | 23:47 |
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