Tuesday, 2012-11-06

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iekkumorning05:03
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situMorning everyone05:59
Stskeepsmorn situ, e8johan05:59
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e8johanstskeeps: morning, you're up nice and early too06:15
Stskeepsyeah.. up north for once06:15
kulveStskeeps: about the PM. Assuming cpufreq can drop the voltage when in low load and that the soc can sleep when nothing is running (and skipping pheripherals like wifi/bt/display/sensors for simplicity), what else do you think that HW adaptation should provide to upper layers in terms of PM?06:17
Stskeepskulve: not sure what to answer :) but in terms of PM it's usually be periphials that matter to the userland. perhaps gpu frequency as well06:20
Stskeepskulve: (just woke up not that long ago, brain not functioning well)06:21
Stskeepsbecause how you describe it is more like where the kernel decides on good PM06:23
Stskeeps(bbl, got to go to office)06:23
kulveI guess the gpu freq should probably work like cpu freq: ondemand. Shutting down pheripherals is important but I'm not sure how that should work in general. How would the kernel driver know when to shut them down? I guess there's no one general answer for all pheripherals but they need to be decided separately for each on every different device..06:24
kulves,device,product,06:28
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CosmoHillhey vgrade with a tail09:56
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vgrade_Morning CosmoHill10:08
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MSameermikhas: yup, doing it for 0.2 branch10:18
MSameermikhas: current status ? gt clone and check for yourself ;-)10:19
mikhasMSameer, got the clone url?10:20
MSameerin a sec10:21
MSameermikhas: git@github.com:nemomobile/qtgrilo.git10:21
MSameermikhas: in general it works but it's still rough around the edges10:22
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MSameermikhas: also no support for asynchronous resolving of properties10:22
MSameermikhas: and not all GrlMedia properties are exposed. I expose what I need but not everything yet10:23
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mikhasany plans to upstream the API to Qt?10:23
MSameermikhas: some functionality if broken like multisearch for example10:24
MSameermikhas: why ? it's QML not Qt10:24
MSameerthere is a C++ API branch but i was just experimenting10:24
MSameernothing solid yet10:24
mikhasyou think that Qt upstream is not interested in new QML APIs?10:25
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MSameeri don't know10:25
mikhasI can discuss with Lars.10:25
MSameeryou can try pushing it forward :)10:26
mikhaswell, it would probably need some work still10:26
MSameerit'd be a good thing of course10:26
BostikI would guess that _right now_ the Qt guys are more interested about getting 5.0 out10:26
mikhasas in: not ready for upstream yet10:26
MSameerbut it also means API cannot change10:26
mikhasBostik, there's life after 5.010:26
Bostikand they very likely have stuff for 5.1 queued already10:26
mikhasMSameer, that's what makes API reviews so hard10:26
mikhasand yet, stable API promise is not a good excuse to avoid it10:27
Bostikmikhas: definitely is, but 5.0 release is kind of a big blocker right now10:27
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MSameermikhas: true but at this stage of development API is still in flux so we can mark it as alpha or something10:27
mikhasI dont see it as "blocking", it's just a bit late that's all ;-)10:27
MSameer5.0 will be out. it just takes a while due to all the Nokia/Digia complications10:28
mikhasyep10:28
MSameermikhas: are you going to discuss on development@qt-project ?10:29
MSameermikhas: I'd really appreciate keeping my in CC10:29
MSameerbut i follow development@ so it's fine too10:29
mikhasI will probably discuss f2f first, to get a better understanding10:30
mikhasI have the grilo maintainer and the Qt maintainer at the same confernece after all ;-)10:30
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MSameermikhas: good luck :)10:49
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* CosmoHill just knocks his laptop off of a chair and onto a jack stand and concrete floor11:45
sroedalcasually?11:49
CosmoHilli was cleaning something and knocked it over11:50
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Stskeepshttp://www.stockmarketwire.com/article/4478535/Imagination-pays-60m-for-MIPS-Technologies.html11:50
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Bostiknow that's an interesting one, I remember a coworker talking about MIPS and power efficiency at times11:54
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Stskeepslbt: release is brewed11:55
Stskeepslbt: snapshot with proper cross binutils there11:55
lbtty - I'll see what I can do11:55
lbt20121121 or 28 ?11:56
Stskeeps.. i was thinking perhaps 2012111511:57
Stskeepsa quick release11:57
lbtOK11:57
Stskeepsperhaps earlier but we'll see11:58
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sledgELCEgood morning12:14
Stskeepsmorn12:15
Stskeepshow's barcelona?12:15
sledgELCEwill try evangelising Mer in ELCE, would be nice to have had the stand :)12:15
sledgELCEbut Tizen&Co's in a way :)12:15
sledgELCESamsung&Google etc everyone's here :)12:16
sledgELCEeven Microsoft :D12:16
lbt0.20121115.0.0.112:16
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sledgELCEguys I need your help: I need a mouth watering Qt5 demo12:16
sledgELCEideally compiled for armv7hl already to save me another 30min12:16
Stskeepsqt5 cinematic experience12:16
Stskeepsand it uses qmlscene only anyway12:16
sledgELCEzypperable ?12:16
Stskeepstar xf12:16
Stskeeps:P12:16
Stskeepsand qmlscene it12:16
sledgELCEnp :) src?12:16
sledgELCEah ok12:17
sledgELCEgot you12:17
Stskeepsgoogle for it12:17
Stskeepsbut no promises on it performing on n912:17
Stskeepsit's really tough12:17
lbtyou  can adjust the settings down12:18
sledgELCEwill be running on nemo (obviously, do't hink harmattan has qt5 repo)12:18
Stskeepsyes, but still12:19
Stskeeps:P12:19
Stskeepsyou need to fullscreen for sure12:19
sledgELCEthough harmattan is smoother :p12:19
sledgELCEhopefully is just UX,12:19
sledgELCEnemo & harmattan graphics optimisation have equalised12:20
sledgELCEby now12:20
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sledgELCEok, going offline now, catch you up later (meeting dm8tbr is in place as well :))12:24
CosmoHillcyas sledgE12:24
dm8tbrsledgELCE: tizen talk right now12:24
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sledgELCEyup, still in a hotel prepping demo, tizen? no my thing :D (but know you enemy from close is a good bit)12:25
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dm8tbrsledgELCE: need to troll the (in)security talk12:26
sledgELCE:D12:26
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dm8tbryou can also meet me at the tieto stand. I'm wearing a wine red coloured shirt.12:27
sledgELCEhackling from the back seat :)12:27
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sledgELCEyup, I saw the cunning tag card of your name nickname surname whilst running by :) see you soon12:27
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sledgELCEah fail :{ qmlscene/Qt5_CinematicExperience.qml  ASSERT: "i >= && < elementCount()" in file painting/qpainterpath.cpp, line 49912:39
sledgELCEs/qmlscene\//qmlscene /12:40
sledgELCEoh googled sumthin12:41
sledgELCEsharps unfixabl http://kgronholm.blogspot.com.es/2012/08/qt5-cinematic-experience.html?showComment=1345145661388#c673879417175163389512:42
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sledgELCElast minute devving not a good idea :)12:42
sledgELCEStskeeps, what are you runnig there on zephyr libhybris on hp tablet ?12:43
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sledgELCEany lower-end QMLs out there to show off Qt5 highlights?12:48
mikhassledgELCE, how about the raw performance improvements when rendering stuff with new scene graph?12:50
sledgELCEwell, anything goes really, links needed :)12:51
sledgELCEqmlscene doesn't seem to be friendly with nemo (lipstick) - just white box pops up, which youcan only close (clicking on it does not bring it forward)12:53
StskeepssledgELCE: remove the patharea or something in there12:53
* sledgELCE so far got only hello world on the message box :)12:53
sledgELCE--fullscreen worked, but still only white box with any .qml hmm12:56
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sledgELCEok, will show hello world at least :)12:58
sledgELCEsee ya l8r!12:58
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skippy311o hai mer16:37
CosmoHillhey skippy31116:37
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kulvecan "sudo mic create fs" in Mer SDK mess my computers clock?17:46
kulveevery time I run it, my clock moves EET timezone amount of hours backwards17:47
kulve(at least when the mic fails)17:47
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Stskeepskulve: wtf18:25
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kulveStskeeps: guess how long I have been wondering what messes my clock..18:35
kulveStskeeps: the clock moves when these debugs are printed: http://pastie.org/private/jrwpvxaccnvhpgadmbfmlg18:36
kulvebut I'm not sure how what the clock dockapp reacts18:37
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hyde...dangers of running "random software" as root ;)18:42
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