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| Stskeeps | morn | 07:42 |
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| situ | Hi all | 08:43 |
| Stskeeps | morn situ | 08:44 |
| situ | What's up ? | 08:45 |
| Stskeeps | mot much, waking up | 08:45 |
| situ | I was reading Linus's latest rant : https://plus.google.com/u/1/+LinusTorvalds/posts/8KBkzumMEc1 | 08:45 |
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| Stskeeps | he's doing an awful lot of ranting nowadays.. | 08:55 |
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| situ | Stskeeps: who added newpath.patch in blts-opengles2-tests ? | 09:05 |
| Stskeeps | situ: possibly me | 09:05 |
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| lbt | morning | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | morn lbt | 09:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | moin | 09:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry for silly question, but what's state (and URL) of current support for N900? | 09:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | somebody over at #maemo came up with this URL: http://web.archive.org/web/20110703120502/http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/Dual_Boot :-o | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | yes, uboot-pr13 | 09:35 |
| Stskeeps | and the warnings are needed | 09:35 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I gather that's not exactly the recommended location nor method nor meego version | 09:35 |
| Stskeeps | close enough | 09:35 |
| Stskeeps | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing#Nokia_N900 | 09:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks | 09:36 |
| situ | Stskeeps: I made SRs for remaining blts packages. | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | thank you | 09:40 |
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| CosmoHill | morning | 10:59 |
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| Stskeeps | hello nyl | 11:22 |
| nyl | hi :) | 11:22 |
| Stskeeps | nyl: welcome to #mer :) so what brings you here? | 11:22 |
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| nyl | being a nokia n900 user | 11:23 |
| nyl | tells everything | 11:23 |
| nyl | :) | 11:23 |
| Stskeeps | ah :) | 11:23 |
| Stskeeps | #nemomobile might interest you too then | 11:23 |
| nyl | added it to favs | 11:23 |
| nyl | do you know if easydebian has a irc channel | 11:24 |
| nyl | ? | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | nop | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | qole doesn't really irc anymore | 11:24 |
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| Stskeeps | dzien dobry jstaniek | 11:25 |
| nyl | i wanna install a flash plugin | 11:25 |
| nyl | i used to use gnash variant on powerpc mac was damns slow | 11:26 |
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| vgrade | morning | 12:24 |
| CosmoHill | afternoon | 12:28 |
| rcg | g'day | 12:30 |
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| rcg | hey Venemo, any more insights from the nemo home-screen survey? | 12:32 |
| Venemo | rcg, I've written an initial post, but haven't had more time for the stuff yet | 12:36 |
| Venemo | rcg, but if you're interested, I can share the survey with you on google docs | 12:36 |
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| rcg | Venemo, yeah, i've seen you initial post. :) | 12:46 |
| rcg | was just curious if you had any more insights right now.. and also been curious what kind of useful information one can draw from such a survey | 12:46 |
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| rcg | personally, i think, it's very challenging to evaluate questionairs about user UI preferences as most things are pretty difficult to put into "hard" figures as this is very much about taste and personal preference | 12:47 |
| rcg | so, my general interest is (besides the actual results) on how you deal with this difficult task :) | 12:48 |
| yunta | lbt_away: 7271, complains about .changes file missing. can you point me to TFM to R ? | 12:54 |
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| Venemo | rcg, ah, I understand | 13:09 |
| Venemo | well, qwazix and myself have been thinking about the UI for some time. | 13:10 |
| Venemo | but it's hard to decide what features should be more prominent and what not | 13:10 |
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| Venemo | so when we discuss new ideas (even if they look good or seem good) the hardest thing is to figure out how much the actual users will like them | 13:11 |
| Venemo | so that was the primary purpose of this survey | 13:12 |
| rcg | aye, i see.. i can imagine.. it's generally very nice that you are trying to get user feedback :) .. even though this may make things even more complicated ;) | 13:15 |
| rcg | do you also consider providing customization options, such that users can configure the look and feel (at least to certain degree) themselves? | 13:16 |
| Venemo | yes, I do | 13:16 |
| rcg | cool :) | 13:16 |
| Venemo | but first and foremost, I want to provide a sensible default experience | 13:16 |
| rcg | do you package the qml files in the binary or make them accessible via the filesystem? | 13:16 |
| rcg | yeah, sure :) | 13:16 |
| Venemo | I package them in the binary, but the plan is to make it themeable by loading qmls from the file system | 13:17 |
| Venemo | one example of the conclusions: although many people use widgets, most of them think that widgets are ineffective and add too much clutter to the UI. | 13:18 |
| Venemo | from this, I conclude that widgets are not very important, what's important is to let the user see what's important | 13:18 |
| rcg | i see | 13:19 |
| rcg | sound sensible | 13:19 |
| rcg | *sounds | 13:19 |
| Venemo | also, even if we add widgets functionality, it's essential that we don't allow the screen to be cluttered | 13:20 |
| Venemo | there were very few people (there were, but really very few) who explicitly want a free-to-drag widgets surface | 13:21 |
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| Venemo | rcg, also, many people noted that the traditional app grid is very boring. they want to categorize or customize it | 13:26 |
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| rcg | aye, i agree with the widget thingie.. with respect to the app grid: would be interesting to see what you guys come up with :) | 13:29 |
| rcg | i am not really creative when it comes to ui design.. the best thing, imho, i did was the qml-treeview as used in my qtodo app | 13:29 |
| Venemo | :) | 13:29 |
| rcg | Venemo, http://ruedigergad.com/2011/08/14/qml-treeview/ | 13:30 |
| Venemo | rcg, yeah, nice :) | 13:31 |
| rcg | this is the initial post i think.. i reworked it a little bit but in general that's how it works | 13:31 |
| rcg | thx :) | 13:31 |
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| nyl | can i dualboot mer and maemo? | 13:33 |
| nyl | on the n900 | 13:33 |
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| Venemo | nyl, yes you can | 13:39 |
| nyl | any documentation | 13:46 |
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| Venemo | nyl, this is the only one I could find: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing#Nokia_N900 however I never tried on an N900 so I can't really help you | 13:47 |
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| nyl | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fcpb0oAY3S8 | 14:08 |
| nyl | they will surely release kernel source | 14:08 |
| nyl | 100bucks | 14:09 |
| nyl | tablet | 14:09 |
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| CosmoHill | QPR vs Reading is a bit confusing since both home colours are blue and white strips | 14:15 |
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| Stskeeps | Sfiet_Konstantin: out of curiousity, what did you want to try to do with wayland? | 14:50 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Stskeeps: currently nothing | 14:51 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | just learning about the future | 14:52 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: but something you'd like to be more involved with? | 14:52 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and see how Qt5 behave | 14:52 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | write my compositor with Qt5 | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | what devices do you have? | 14:53 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | N9 N950 | 14:53 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Lenovo X200 | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | did you try out the zephyr image yet? | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | on virtualbox | 14:54 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | yeah, works well | 14:54 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | except enter on term | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: not entirely sure why that happens | 14:54 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I'm waiting for 1.0 support in Qt5 | 14:55 |
| Stskeeps | might be some stupid scancode stuff | 14:55 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | yeah | 14:55 |
| Stskeeps | should be coming soon | 14:55 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | xkbcomm ? | 14:55 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I'm gonna try the patch today on the lenovo | 14:55 |
| Stskeeps | this is the funny part, it works okay in anything but the terminal :P | 14:55 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ah ... | 14:55 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | strange | 14:55 |
| Stskeeps | i'm hoping to start really ramping up the zephyr work soon, so just poking around about who might want to be along for the ride :) | 14:56 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I'm missing one formfactor … | 14:56 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | the tablet | 14:56 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :( | 14:56 |
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| Stskeeps | well, if things go just right, you can grab a off-the-shelf android tablet.. | 14:57 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I'm waiting for that | 14:57 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | or exopc maybe ? | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | exo isn't bad but i wouldn't pay money for it.. | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | their exodesk however.. | 14:57 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :p | 14:58 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | what makes me sad is that the playbook might be part of Qt future, but cannot run mer | 14:59 |
| timoph | hmmh | 14:59 |
| timoph | since when zypper talks finnish in mer? | 15:00 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: heh :) | 15:00 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :D | 15:00 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: is your locale set to finnish? | 15:00 |
| timoph | might be. didn't explicitly set it. just built the image | 15:00 |
| timoph | for raspi | 15:00 |
| timoph | might have picked up the locale from the host | 15:01 |
| Stskeeps | maybe | 15:01 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Stskeeps: maybe no much Zephyr for me now … A lot of work :( | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 15:04 |
| timoph | yep. LANG=fi_FI.UTF-8 | 15:05 |
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| vgrade | Sfiet_Konstantin: wayland 1.0 patches were pushed to Qt gerrit yesterday | 15:41 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | vgrade: I checked them out | 15:41 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but now, I got some mess with mesa :( | 15:41 |
| Stskeeps | mesa's always a joy | 15:41 |
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| kulve | what parses the desktop files in /etc/xdg/autostart/? | 16:27 |
| Stskeeps | uxlaunch | 16:28 |
| kulve | what that replaced by something? | 16:28 |
| kulve | my latest nemo image doesn't seem to include uxlaunch at all | 16:30 |
| kulve | was it nemo-mobile-session? | 16:32 |
| kulve | yes, it Obsoletes: uxlaunch | 16:34 |
| kulve | Just wondering if the parameters in the Exec lines are really handled in those .desktop files.. | 16:36 |
| phaeron | no longer used, now systemd user session is used | 16:39 |
| kulve | tar.xz .. who uses something like that.. | 16:42 |
| fk_lx | people that want smaller archives than tar.gz ? | 16:43 |
| fk_lx | ;-) | 16:43 |
| kulve | phaeron: do you know what then actually reads/parses those desktop files in /etc/xdg/autostart/? | 16:44 |
| phaeron | nothing anymore | 16:45 |
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| phaeron | uxlaunch is obsolete | 16:45 |
| phaeron | systemd user session reads files in /usr/lib/systemd/user/ | 16:45 |
| kulve | that may explain why I didn't see any difference when editing those files ;) | 16:46 |
| phaeron | :) | 16:47 |
| nyl | whats working on on latest mer o.O? | 16:53 |
| nyl | for n900 | 16:53 |
| kulve | there's a service file for maliit-server but looks like it's launched via something else. Maybe dbus autoactivation? | 17:05 |
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| kulve | maliit-keyboard-viewer shows the keyboard but if I try to run the maliit-server, it seems to crash easily | 17:07 |
| kulve | with gdb the whole screen goes to black but no crash | 17:08 |
| kulve | I need to enable mer on Nexus 7 and hopefully there will be some quick progress on these :) | 17:11 |
| fk_lx | that black screen was also present in x86 VM images of Nemo mobile when the keyboard appeared on screen | 17:12 |
| fk_lx | there was some workaround to make it visible | 17:12 |
| phaeron | kulve: yes dbus auto-activation , otherwise it doesn't work | 17:14 |
| phaeron | kulve: make sure correct env is exported in your ssh session | 17:15 |
| phaeron | dbus address etc .. | 17:15 |
| kulve | fk_lx: do you happen to remember which workaround? | 17:18 |
| fk_lx | kulve: some key combination, ctrl + some function key ? | 17:19 |
| kulve | well, that wouldn't probably help my on my tegra.. | 17:19 |
| kulve | s,my,me, | 17:20 |
| fk_lx | kulve: if you only had USB/bluetooth keyboard ... | 17:21 |
| fk_lx | ;-) | 17:21 |
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| fk_lx | kulve: anyway, https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=347 | 17:24 |
| Merbot | Nemo bug 347 in x86-generic "Screen is black when VKB is open in VirtualBox" [Critical,New] | 17:24 |
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| Stskeeps | kulve: oh, that's a good point: environment variables in the systemd user session | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | for maliit especially | 17:43 |
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| Stskeeps | did the command line flags special suggested help anything? | 17:46 |
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| kulve | Stskeeps: I tried different combo of those but I can't even get the kbd visible (with everything else black) anymore. But based on the segfault from maliit-server I guess it tries to show the vkb when I e.g. try to click on the Notes | 17:54 |
| kulve | Stskeeps: what environment variables? | 17:54 |
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| Venemo_N9 | hey | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | evening Venemo_N9 | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | kulve: well, runtime system and soo n for qt | 18:05 |
| Venemo_N9 | evening Stskeeps :) any success with your experiment? | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | which one of them ;) | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | i kinda run many at a time, hence me asking | 18:06 |
| Venemo_N9 | the static linking thing | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | ah, well the impact is still a bit uncertain | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | of course it's faster for launcher | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | launching | 18:07 |
| dm8tbr | anyone in BCN this week? | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | but if there's impact on memory and any difference to dlopen like stuff.. | 18:07 |
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| kulve | Stskeeps: I set QT_GRAPHICSSYSTEM and QT_DEFAULT_RUNTIME_SYSTEM in under /etc/profile.d/. I guess they should be inherited from there to everywhere? | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but the user session doesn't use /etc/profile.d | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | (i know that's a bit odd but running bash during startup really isn't the nicest..) | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | so there's a /etc/sysconfig | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | thing instead | 18:09 |
| kulve | which one should be used or should I set both? | 18:10 |
| hyde | hi, in order to build A Mer image for Raspberry Pi with these instructions: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Community_Workspace/RaspberryPi#Install_Mer_SDK | 18:10 |
| hyde | do I need an account on the community OBS server? | 18:10 |
| timoph | no | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | kulve: etc/sysconfig | 18:11 |
| timoph | unless you plan to build packages | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | hyde: just mer platform sdk :) | 18:11 |
| timoph | but for image creation, no | 18:11 |
| hyde | ok, I think I'll just start with that | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | you can do packages in sdk, too | 18:12 |
| kulve | nemo-mobile-ui set's QT_DEFAULT_RUNTIME_SYSTEM=meego and qt-graphicssystem-opengl.sh sets QT_DEFAULT_RUNTIME_SYSTEM=opengl | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | should probably switch that | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | ps aux | grep uxlaunch says nothing, right | 18:14 |
| kulve | when I created the image, I saw a note about nemo-mobile-session providing uxlaunc | 18:16 |
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| Stskeeps | ok | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | so assume nemo-mobile-ui is the reference | 18:17 |
| hyde | oh, btw, that curl -k -O https://github.com/snowcap-electronics/kickstarts/raw/master/rpi/mer-rpi.ks | 18:17 |
| hyde | mentioned in the wiki, it's stale link | 18:17 |
| hyde | gives redirect page | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, shows the right thing for me | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | curl might need to follow redirects? | 18:18 |
| kulve | after a redirection | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | https://raw.github.com/snowcap-electronics/kickstarts/master/rpi/mer-rpi.ks | 18:19 |
| kulve | hyde: does it work now? | 18:19 |
| kulve | (I just edited the page) | 18:19 |
| hyde | seems to be the same link I dug out from the redirect page (saved by curl instead of the intended file) | 18:20 |
| kulve | yes, that's what I did. But now that command should give you the right .ks file? | 18:21 |
| kulve | hmm.. it doesn't | 18:22 |
| kulve | now it does | 18:23 |
| hyde | hmph, the Mer SDK does not seem to like to be on different partition... Maybe I should read the entire wiki page about SDK installation instead of just the tl;dr part ;) | 18:24 |
| kulve | Stskeeps: I added the env variables and now the status bar is back | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | kulve: ok, that's a start | 18:25 |
| hyde | mic create fails with "Error <creator>: Command 'extlinux' is not available." | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | sudo zypper in syslinux-extlinux | 18:25 |
| hyde | ah, yeah, that had to be done inside chroot... I reinstalled the SDK, must have lost it then | 18:26 |
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| kulve | Stskeeps: I tried all combinations of -remote-theme, -use-self-composition and -manual-redirection but I don't get the vkb visible. Just black bar at the bottom of the Notes or a totally black screen | 18:33 |
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| Stskeeps | okay, that's a bit weird | 18:34 |
| hyde | ok, got an image... So when I get that to an SD and boot, it's configured to get IP by DHCP, and start sshd? | 18:36 |
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| Stskeeps | else log in from usb keyboard if it doesn't :P | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | should normally start sshd | 18:37 |
| hyde | I thought it starts qmlviewer or something, so thought no console log-in possible. Oh well, I'll see when I get that far | 18:38 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: wrapping up the i486 stuff | 19:10 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: good | 19:22 |
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| lbt | ? | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | missing cross-i486-sysroot, i'll sort it out.. | 19:37 |
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| lbt | I thought I pushed that? | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | nop, that was sb2 i think | 19:40 |
| lbt | I have it here | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | either way, i spotted an error | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | in my own stuff | 19:40 |
| lbt | I have an updated cross-template-sysroot here for mer-crosshelpers/ | 19:41 |
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| lbt | just say if you want me to push it | 19:42 |
| Stskeeps | nah, i'm good thanks :) | 19:42 |
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| hyde | related to 'dd of=/dev/sdX if=mer-rpi-mmcblk0p.raw bs=4M' command at wiki, which distros mount card readers as /dev/sdX? Or does it depend on device type? | 19:47 |
| hyde | because mine is /dev/mmcblk0 | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | depends on adaptor type | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | mmcblk is usually when it sees it as an actual mmc | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | slot | 19:49 |
| hyde | It's alive! Also, it seems to have different password/username than raspbian... | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | it's not debian based | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | see the .ks and use that login/pass | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | probably root/rootme or mer/rootme | 19:54 |
| hyde | well, pi/raspberry of raspbian is not particularily debian-flavoured choice | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, true | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | i remember when it was eben :P | 19:55 |
| hyde | yeah, those were the defaults in .ks | 19:55 |
| hyde | hmm, the wiki page could use link to something like http://elinux.org/RPi_Resize_Flash_Partitions, maybe | 19:58 |
| Stskeeps | probably, though it's not really hard to adjust partition sizes for the image | 19:59 |
| Stskeeps | in .ks | 19:59 |
| hyde | well, if file system does not support sparse files, and SD card is big, the image gets a bit big... :) | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | true | 20:01 |
| hyde | (I have no idea if eg. ext4 supports them, and even if it does, will the .raw file take advantage of it) | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | think ext4 does sparse :P | 20:09 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: https://build.ci.merproject.org/package/live_build_log?arch=i586&package=cross-mipsel-binutils&project=Core%3Amipsel&repository=Core_mipsel | 20:34 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: fix that and we're in goal, i believe | 20:35 |
| lbt | but but but | 20:35 |
| Stskeeps | yes, %ifarch doesn't say anything about the cross target | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | ie, you need some way to check target-doesn-t-have-gold | 20:36 |
| lbt | :/ | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | should be trivial | 20:38 |
| lbt | if "%{name}" == "cross-mipsel-binutils" ? (in addition to if narch | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | i guess, or just do a %define later | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | "is_mips" | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | or something | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | earlier, that is | 20:41 |
| lbt | yeah - I was thinking that | 20:41 |
| kulve | nemo-mobile-ui sets QT_DEFAULT_RUNTIME_SYSTEM=meego in /etc/sysconfig/. How should I override that? I tried to set it in a different file (alphabetically before and after) but it didn't seem to have an effect.. | 20:43 |
| Venemo_N9 | what's up with jolla nowadays? | 20:44 |
| kulve | I guess they'll tell more in 3 weeks? | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_N9: busy as hell :) | 20:45 |
| Venemo_N9 | what's in 3 weeks? | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_N9: slush's in three weeks | 20:45 |
| Venemo_N9 | Stskeeps, why busy? | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | kulve: edit it / sed it in the .ks | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_N9: http://techcrunch.com/2012/10/04/jolla-confirms-it-will-unveil-sailfish-meego-based-os-next-month/ | 20:46 |
| Venemo_N9 | ah, that. | 20:46 |
| Stskeeps | so as you can guess, a tad busy | 20:46 |
| Venemo_N9 | why don't you hire some more guys, if it feels too busy? | 20:47 |
| special | 9 women making a baby in a month, etc :) | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | i think no matter how many we hire, it'll feel a bit busy | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mythical_Man-Month | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:48 |
| Venemo_N9 | yeah | 20:49 |
| Bostik | that book should be every engineer's basic reading | 20:49 |
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| Venemo_N9 | well anyway, it'd be interesting to work for Jolla, given the chance | 20:49 |
| hyde | Venemo_N9: well, get a few dozen quality commits to mer, and you probably have a good chance ;) (not that I am in any way associated with Jolla, just speculating) | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | or in nemo.. | 20:51 |
| Venemo_N9 | I already have that. | 20:51 |
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| Venemo_N9 | in nemo, rather than mer, though | 20:52 |
| Stskeeps | there's really nothing than development boards where you arent' exactly sure if it will blow up in your face when you try to charge a battery inside it.. | 20:52 |
| hyde | well, there are cheap chinese electronic devices, with them you don't know if they will blow up in your face, either ;) | 20:53 |
| Venemo_N9 | I'm kind of a UI guy | 20:53 |
| special | Venemo_N9: maybe you should send a CV | 20:53 |
| hyde | (we had an office building emptied once by spontaneously combusting battery of a chinese 3G-Wifi box) | 20:54 |
| Venemo_N9 | anyway, I asked someone whether I have any chance, and was told that I don't. | 20:54 |
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| Venemo_N9 | I don't want to damage their public image, so I won't say in what manner he told me that. | 20:55 |
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| CosmoHill | did he snarl and throw a cup of coffee at you? | 20:57 |
| Venemo_N9 | lol | 20:57 |
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| Venemo | hi | 22:02 |
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| CosmoHill | hi | 22:06 |
| CosmoHill | updated my cv :) | 22:06 |
| Venemo | :) | 22:08 |
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| Venemo | bye guys :) | 23:54 |
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