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timoph | 'lo | 08:55 |
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CosmoHill | .o/ | 08:55 |
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situ | timoph: Hey | 08:56 |
timoph | how's things in mer? | 08:57 |
situ | I am trying to fix https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=486 | 08:57 |
Merbot | Mer bug 486 in tzdata "outdated tzdata package." [Task,New] | 08:57 |
* timoph 's been away for a while | 08:57 | |
CosmoHill | indeed | 08:58 |
situ | Last comment says latest version is 2012f but tzdata has been updated to 2012h on official website https://www.iana.org/time-zones | 08:58 |
situ | timoph: Which one should I update to ? | 08:58 |
timoph | hmmh. dunno :) | 08:59 |
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vgrade | morn | 09:04 |
CosmoHill | hey vgrade | 09:04 |
vgrade | CosmoHill: morning | 09:06 |
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vgrade | CosmoHill: looking forward to a 9 goal thriller? | 09:11 |
vgrade | another | 09:11 |
CosmoHill | if I'd of watched that game I'd of offended the squirrels outside with my swearing | 09:12 |
vgrade | oh it was 12 goals, 9 at half time | 09:12 |
CosmoHill | wait, what game is this? | 09:12 |
vgrade | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2225444/Reading-5-Arsenal-7--match-report-Theo-Walcott-scores-hat-trick-incredible-comeback.html | 09:13 |
CosmoHill | oh in total | 09:13 |
CosmoHill | that confused me | 09:13 |
CosmoHill | not sure how we went from 4 - 1 to half time to 5 - 7 with like half hour extra time | 09:15 |
Stskeeps | situ: latest one | 09:15 |
situ | Stskeeps: I will leave a comment on the issue. | 09:16 |
Stskeeps | yeah | 09:16 |
Stskeeps | so 2012h makes sense | 09:16 |
Stskeeps | lbt: http://review.merproject.org/#change,953 - seems like you forgot to run precheckin.sh | 09:18 |
situ | Stskeeps: There's a package called tzdata-extras, I couldn't find it on official website. | 09:25 |
Stskeeps | don't worry about that one | 09:25 |
Stskeeps | just leave it in | 09:25 |
vgrade | kulve: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?project=CE%3AAdaptation%3ARaspberryPi | 09:26 |
kulve | vgrade: ? | 09:27 |
* Stskeeps ponders idly why he gets test plan validation failed in testplanner | 09:28 | |
vgrade | kulve: the packages were unresolvable glesv2-p1 and mesa | 09:28 |
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vgrade | kulve: I added prefer to the project conf | 09:29 |
kulve | oh, that's what Stskeeps meant earlier. Nice, thanks. | 09:29 |
kulve | I need to do the same thing for my tegra repo | 09:29 |
vgrade | kulve: hows that going, do you have the board again this weekend? | 09:31 |
kulve | yeah | 09:31 |
vgrade | Stskeeps: hi | 09:31 |
Stskeeps | morn vgrade :) | 09:32 |
Stskeeps | does any of you have working h264 playback on mer r-pi yet? | 09:32 |
kulve | I had some problems getting the wifi working, so I'm actually now testing if the nexus7 kernel would work on my reference board as well. That would make certain things easier | 09:32 |
Stskeeps | kulve: connman-test may be useful, connman is a bit rfkill-y | 09:32 |
kulve | Stskeeps: problems are related to the driver and/or firmware, not user space, I guess | 09:33 |
kulve | h264 playback works on RPi. But not with gst | 09:33 |
Stskeeps | ok | 09:33 |
kulve | although I have been focusing more on tegra lately. I guess you can still decode on RPi with gst but not render | 09:34 |
Stskeeps | i has new apartment, so it's time to think about how to put the r-pi's into usage, so :P | 09:34 |
Stskeeps | oh come on, wiki.meego.com can't be down. | 09:37 |
vgrade | I wonder if we could use the same approach that Rob Clark used om omap with eglRender | 09:37 |
vgrade | https://github.com/robclark/qtmobility-1.1.0/commits/master | 09:37 |
vgrade | he certianly thought it wouls be possible on Tegra | 09:38 |
kulve | tegra seems to provide some gl sinks as well | 09:38 |
kulve | for gst | 09:38 |
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Stskeeps | morn mikhas, how was cph? | 10:04 |
* dm8tbr liked CPH | 10:06 | |
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mikhas | and dm8tbr's only comment to me was: "hm, I know your nick …" | 10:11 |
mikhas | didn't get to see much of CPH, mostly stayed @ the venue, running around like a headless chicken | 10:11 |
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dm8tbr | bwaaaak! | 10:14 |
CosmoHill | you sound like a sick dog | 10:16 |
CosmoHill | or a dog being sick :/ | 10:16 |
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lbt | morning all | 10:17 |
CosmoHill | hey lbt | 10:17 |
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lbt | Stskeeps: gah | 10:17 |
CosmoHill | hey morphis | 10:17 |
Stskeeps | lbt: sorry :/ but i'll let it past with a single build test | 10:18 |
lbt | np | 10:18 |
morphis | CosmoHill: heyho | 10:20 |
* lbt looks at pre-commit hook for those packaged | 10:21 | |
lbt | s | 10:21 |
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lbt | hmm - I think I know what I did - I had 2 working copies with a symlink to .git :/ | 10:29 |
Stskeeps | ok | 10:29 |
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lbt | FYI I have local git repos for packages I've worked on - then I can do periodic updates and ln -s .git rather than git clone --bare | 10:33 |
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situ | Stskeeps: country code 423 is missing from latest wikipedia page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Country_Code | 10:42 |
Stskeeps | what country was that? | 10:43 |
situ | It's there in the tzdata-extras package, Palistian. | 10:43 |
situ | | 423 || PS || [[Palestinian territories|Palestine]] | 10:44 |
situ | Palestinian * | 10:44 |
Bostik | oh great, politicall [in]correct TZ data | 10:44 |
Stskeeps | oh that's an interesting one | 10:44 |
Stskeeps | http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-middleware/tzdata/commit/d7a1cbe31d7225d1345b2bd861dd42a7e0a6d427?format=patch | 10:45 |
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vgrade | Stskeeps: Saturday morning hack, https://plus.google.com/photos/104813001536488478839/albums/5806535227514749697/5806535230112051890 | 10:45 |
faenil | morning peeps | 10:45 |
vgrade | morn | 10:45 |
Stskeeps | vgrade: .. what's that? | 10:46 |
situ | Stskeeps: wikipedia page in tzdata-extra package is from 2010, update it ? | 10:46 |
Stskeeps | situ: yeah, please do | 10:46 |
vgrade | xterm on xwayland on qtwayland compositor | 10:47 |
situ | big patch | 10:47 |
Stskeeps | vgrade: oh. | 10:47 |
Stskeeps | vgrade: well that's cool :) | 10:47 |
Stskeeps | vgrade: input works? | 10:47 |
Stskeeps | situ: http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-middleware/tzdata/trees/master may be of help | 10:47 |
ali1234 | are we still seriously at a point where there's no window borders? | 10:48 |
Stskeeps | ali1234: CSD is always a joy of fun to discuss | 10:48 |
Stskeeps | ali1234: qt apps have CSD at least (i think) but in most cases you don't want those on mobile anyway | 10:49 |
vgrade | Stskeeps: keyboard yes | 10:49 |
ali1234 | every window should have the exact same decoration regardless of whether it is Gtk, Qt, Motif, or raw xlib. if wayland can't deliver that it will not be accepted. | 10:50 |
ali1234 | maybe it will be accepted on mobile, but not on desktop | 10:51 |
Stskeeps | ali1234: it can have decoration fine - in qml compositor you simply wrap it around the buffer | 10:51 |
Stskeeps | but about the client side decorations i don't understand some people's opinion to have them in toolkits.. | 10:52 |
Stskeeps | :P | 10:52 |
Venemo | +1 | 10:52 |
Stskeeps | http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/qmlcompositor.png is CSD, i think | 10:53 |
ali1234 | what do you mean "in toolkits" | 10:53 |
Stskeeps | in gtk/qt/motif, etc | 10:53 |
ali1234 | well i agree | 10:53 |
Venemo | CSD=? | 10:53 |
ali1234 | they should only be implemented once | 10:53 |
Stskeeps | i don't understand why it has to be there | 10:53 |
Stskeeps | Venemo: client side decorations | 10:53 |
Stskeeps | ie, app draws it's borders | 10:53 |
Venemo | well, they have their reasons | 10:54 |
Stskeeps | http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/qmlcomponentgallery.png - it's not hard to imagine drawing a border around those windows as they're just qml elements | 10:54 |
Stskeeps | vgrade: good work, btw :) | 10:56 |
Venemo | for example, the status bar on harmattan and nemo is a CSD, a hack that allows every app to run fullscreen (getting the perf advantages of being fullscreen), but actually looking non-fullscreen | 10:56 |
Stskeeps | :nod: | 10:56 |
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kulve | csd? | 10:56 |
Stskeeps | [11:53] <Stskeeps> Venemo: client side decorations | 10:56 |
kulve | ah, nm :) | 10:56 |
kulve | just wondering, because the statusbar is completely broken on my hardware | 10:57 |
Venemo | for some reason, there is a huge perf impact when the compositor starts drawing things... see fremantle's titlebars or the notifications in harmattan | 10:57 |
faenil | Venemo, +1000 to that | 10:57 |
Stskeeps | kulve: oh, is sysuid actually running? | 10:57 |
faenil | I hate that thing | 10:57 |
faenil | whenever a notification appears, FPS drops to 2-3 | 10:58 |
faenil | it's the same in Nemo from what I've seen so far | 10:58 |
Venemo | although it might be different in wayland | 10:58 |
Stskeeps | composition is slow and should be avoided | 10:58 |
Stskeeps | :P | 10:58 |
kulve | Stskeeps: I don't know what sysuid is. I see the status bar after a boot but soon I can see just background on that area | 10:58 |
Stskeeps | kulve: yeah, ps aux | grep sysuiid | 10:59 |
Stskeeps | sysuid | 10:59 |
Stskeeps | it's the thing handling the status bar | 10:59 |
Venemo | Stskeeps, but is it the same in wayland as well? | 10:59 |
kulve | will do, if I get this to boot again. I left my debug board at work thinking that I don't need it. But I'm actually trying to get a new kernel up'n'running so that would be quite useful.. | 10:59 |
Stskeeps | Venemo: it really depends on how you want to do it | 11:00 |
Stskeeps | Venemo: nothing stops you technically from getting a buffer that you drop in yourself and show | 11:00 |
Venemo | Stskeeps, so how is it worth doing it? | 11:01 |
Stskeeps | doing..? | 11:01 |
Stskeeps | it, i mean :) | 11:01 |
* Stskeeps ponders idly if he should give Venemo a crash course in qml compositor.. | 11:02 | |
Venemo | why not? | 11:02 |
faenil | me too me too :D | 11:02 |
Stskeeps | well, https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Zephyr is a good start | 11:03 |
Stskeeps | get that kit up and running and it's easier to start develop with | 11:04 |
Venemo | I don't have any hw with me right now | 11:05 |
Venemo | but I'll definitely try | 11:05 |
Venemo | what surprises me a little is that you are working on this. I thought wayland is not yet in the scope | 11:07 |
Stskeeps | well, the reference device is virtualbox | 11:07 |
Stskeeps | Venemo: as with anything, it's better to be ahaed | 11:07 |
Stskeeps | this is what will enable us to put stuff on android hardware adaptations with ease | 11:07 |
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Bostik | from what I've gathered, there exists a rebuilt rpi shim with native wayland display type... | 11:09 |
Stskeeps | Bostik: well, we have r-pi wayland + qml compositor too | 11:10 |
Stskeeps | but yeah, native support even better | 11:10 |
Venemo | Stskeeps, how is this related to android? I thought you could just use X there too | 11:10 |
Bostik | I like lean stacks :) | 11:10 |
Stskeeps | Venemo: you'd never be able to get opengl es | 11:11 |
Stskeeps | Venemo: zephyr's related to android through libhybris, where we can use existing android hardware adaptations | 11:11 |
Stskeeps | Venemo: and put wayland on top | 11:11 |
Venemo | isn't that what libhybris does? (getting opengl es) | 11:11 |
Stskeeps | sure, but it wouldn't work for x11 | 11:11 |
Stskeeps | or at least, sanely | 11:11 |
Stskeeps | dri2 would be a pain in the ass to add | 11:12 |
Venemo | mhm | 11:12 |
Stskeeps | either way, if you want a lean and mean stack, you don't want x11 | 11:12 |
Venemo | by dri, you mean direct rendering infrastructure? | 11:12 |
Stskeeps | yeah | 11:12 |
Venemo | I see. | 11:13 |
Venemo | and yeah, I agree about X not being a sane stack at all | 11:13 |
Stskeeps | so that's why we have zephyr.. and zephyr would be useful for even lower end too | 11:13 |
Stskeeps | with shm only stuff | 11:13 |
Stskeeps | shm being sw rendering/raster engine etc | 11:13 |
kulve | Stskeeps: I did see a status bar there couple of times but at least currently, the status bar area is just garbage and no sysuiid process is running | 11:14 |
Stskeeps | kulve: yeah, so it crashed | 11:14 |
Stskeeps | no surprise there | 11:14 |
Stskeeps | figure out why it cores :) | 11:14 |
Venemo | kulve, what hw is that btw? | 11:15 |
kulve | tegra | 11:16 |
Venemo | hm. | 11:16 |
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Stskeeps | morn phaeron o/ | 11:17 |
vgrade | Bostik: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Community_Workspace/RaspberryPi | 11:18 |
Bostik | hmmm..... | 11:20 |
Stskeeps | Bostik: https://plus.google.com/photos/104813001536488478839/albums/5806535227514749697/5806535230112051890 is qtwayland + qml compositor + xwayland | 11:22 |
Stskeeps | on r-pi | 11:22 |
phaeron | Stskeeps: morning :) | 11:23 |
Bostik | Stskeeps: it looks good, but I'd be really tempted to see the 'x' prefix stricken from wayland ;) | 11:24 |
vgrade | Stskeeps: do you have the minimer link, can't put my finger on it atm | 11:24 |
kulve | why there's no debuginfo packages for qt? | 11:24 |
kulve | Starting program: /usr/bin/sysuid | 11:25 |
kulve | 0x40a5c4ac in QPainter::begin(QPaintDevice*) () from /usr/lib/libQtGui.so.4 | 11:25 |
Stskeeps | kulve: /etc/zypp/repos.d/mer-core.repo , enable=1 | 11:25 |
kulve | did that | 11:25 |
Stskeeps | Bostik: sure, without xwayland works too | 11:25 |
Stskeeps | kulve: zypper ref | 11:26 |
kulve | did that | 11:26 |
Stskeeps | show me the .repo file | 11:26 |
kulve | http://releases.merproject.org/releases/latest/builds/armv7hl/debug | 11:26 |
kulve | thould the packages be in there? | 11:26 |
kulve | should | 11:26 |
Stskeeps | yes | 11:26 |
kulve | are they? | 11:26 |
Stskeeps | http://releases.merproject.org/releases/latest/builds/armv7hl/debug/qt-debuginfo-4.8.2-1.33.armv7hl.rpm | 11:27 |
kulve | right, I was then just expecting a different name.. syr | 11:27 |
kulve | sry | 11:27 |
kulve | "additional 508.6 MiB will be used", nice | 11:27 |
Stskeeps | Bostik: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96ht8w6OK2E&feature=player_embedded | 11:28 |
Bostik | one youtube-dl later... | 11:29 |
Bostik | sexy! | 11:29 |
Stskeeps | so makes for a nice development platform | 11:29 |
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faenil | do you think installing S40 Java SDK on Linux via Crossover is a sane solution? | 11:41 |
Stskeeps | there's a lot of dead-ish platforms in that sentence | 11:41 |
faenil | Stskeeps, yeah...it's something I've been asked to do :/ | 11:42 |
faenil | but since the app targets very old phones | 11:43 |
faenil | there's no other chance, you may agree | 11:43 |
Stskeeps | fair enough | 11:43 |
kulve | Stskeeps: sysuid crashes here: http://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qt/blobs/HEAD/src/opengl/gl2paintengineex/qpaintengineex_opengl2.cpp#line2116 | 11:44 |
kulve | I have no idea why | 11:44 |
Stskeeps | kulve: get a full backtrace ? | 11:44 |
kulve | http://pastie.org/private/w0caru1mj0okhsv9bhdkzg | 11:44 |
Stskeeps | any error messages in journalctl before it dies? | 11:45 |
kulve | d->ctx->d_ptr is somthing non-null but: | 11:46 |
kulve | (gdb) p d->ctx->d_ptr->active_engine | 11:46 |
kulve | Could not find operator->. | 11:46 |
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kulve | no errors in journal | 11:46 |
Stskeeps | mmmm, not sure | 11:47 |
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sroedal | vgrade: how did you get xwayland working with the qtwayland compositor? | 12:04 |
sroedal | 11:58 < Stskeeps> composition is slow and should be avoided | 12:05 |
sroedal | true | 12:05 |
Stskeeps | though in some cases it's useful :P | 12:05 |
sroedal | yep, you'll want to bypass the compositor when you're fullscreen though | 12:06 |
Stskeeps | :nod: | 12:06 |
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Venemo | I bet Stskeeps has some keyboard shortcut for :nod: by now | 12:11 |
Stskeeps | nop | 12:12 |
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vgrade | sroedal: built xwayland and xf86-video-wlshm. /qwindow-compositor -platform eglfsrpi & Xorg -wayland -rootless :1 & DISPLAY=:1 xterm | 12:16 |
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Venemo | Stskeeps, btw, does wayland have a mechanism for running X clients? | 12:18 |
Stskeeps | Venemo: that's vgrade's latest tweet | 12:18 |
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vgrade | Venemo: http://wayland.freedesktop.org/xserver.html | 12:19 |
Venemo | I see, thanks :) | 12:19 |
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sroedal | vgrade: ah, makes sense | 12:21 |
vgrade | sroedal: not very usefull but something I wanted to try | 12:22 |
sroedal | could be useful for Maui on desktop | 12:22 |
sroedal | plfiorini: ^^ | 12:23 |
plfiorini | sroedal, thanks | 12:23 |
plfiorini | sroedal, i've seen some progress on qtwayland very nice | 12:23 |
vgrade | plfiorini: sroedal I can try that on Pi | 12:25 |
vgrade | once I fix my packaging | 12:25 |
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timoph | Pi images don't bring up usb networking? | 12:56 |
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vgrade | timoph: i'm working on wired ethernet. What is needed for usb ? | 13:06 |
Stskeeps | http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/mer-core-raspberrypi.ks , see bottom | 13:09 |
Stskeeps | err.. | 13:10 |
Stskeeps | no | 13:10 |
Stskeeps | nevermind me | 13:10 |
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timoph | :) | 13:13 |
timoph | Stskeeps: that only boots to terminal? | 13:13 |
Stskeeps | yes probably | 13:13 |
Stskeeps | ignore me | 13:13 |
Stskeeps | it's old | 13:13 |
timoph | yeah. I'll need to build one that doesn't launch qml-viewer | 13:15 |
kulve | https://github.com/snowcap-electronics/kickstarts/blob/master/rpi/mer-rpi.ks | 13:15 |
kulve | that's what I used with my RPi experiments | 13:15 |
timoph | that's the one I have. boots to qmlviewer | 13:16 |
kulve | change the X-MER-QMLVIEWER.desktop in there, if you want it to do something else? | 13:17 |
vgrade | good to see the QtWayland stuff getting the update to wayland 1.0 | 13:18 |
timoph | kulve: yeah. I was thinking changing the default run level to 3 | 13:18 |
timoph | just can't find where it's set :) | 13:19 |
timoph | no inittab :( | 13:20 |
Stskeeps | we use systemd, not a PDP-11 | 13:20 |
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kulve | :) | 13:21 |
timoph | yeah. I know. my systemd-fo is not that strong :) | 13:21 |
kulve | what's run level 3? Can't remember anymore.. | 13:23 |
timoph | multiuser without x | 13:23 |
Stskeeps | if you don't want to boot to ui, don't install uxlaunch | 13:23 |
Stskeeps | -uxlaunch | 13:23 |
Stskeeps | in %packages | 13:23 |
timoph | ah. thanks | 13:23 |
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* Stskeeps ponders idly if qt5 + qtdeclarative and other modules can be statically linked together | 14:26 | |
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Stskeeps | o/ javispedro | 14:29 |
javispedro | hello | 14:29 |
Stskeeps | how's it going? | 14:29 |
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javispedro | as usual! :) | 14:37 |
Stskeeps | same here.. very busy month though | 14:37 |
javispedro | yeah... actually procrastinating here :) (need to write a tech report I depise) | 14:38 |
Stskeeps | diving deep into android graphics driver specifics | 14:39 |
Stskeeps | it's not so nice | 14:40 |
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javispedro | Tbh I don't like that it has come to having to scrape android graphics drivers to get ARM boards to work.. | 14:45 |
javispedro | but, well, not much can be done by now. | 14:45 |
javispedro | other than what you are doing :) | 14:45 |
Stskeeps | yeah | 14:46 |
Stskeeps | saw that thp got NDK apps working too? | 14:46 |
javispedro | I did not know that NDK apps did not have dalvik stubs | 14:47 |
Stskeeps | i didn't know NDK apps were actually .so's | 14:47 |
javispedro | oh | 14:47 |
javispedro | I thought all of them were JNI .so's. | 14:47 |
Stskeeps | that was a bit of a shocker to me | 14:47 |
Stskeeps | yeah, JNI .so's | 14:47 |
Stskeeps | i thought binary exectuables | 14:47 |
javispedro | so, what does he do with the dalvik stubs? | 14:47 |
javispedro | aaah, they're probably generic enough for some apps to work | 14:48 |
javispedro | makes sense | 14:48 |
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Venemo | Stskeeps, the should be able to be, yes | 14:56 |
Venemo | Stskeeps, they should be able to be, yes | 14:56 |
Stskeeps | mm? | 14:56 |
Stskeeps | sorry, missing context | 14:57 |
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Venemo | no, I'm sorry. I answered to a half an hour old question | 14:57 |
Venemo | [15:26] * Stskeeps ponders idly if qt5 + qtdeclarative and other modules can be statically linked together | 14:57 |
Stskeeps | ah | 14:57 |
Stskeeps | good | 14:57 |
Stskeeps | and next question, how big that binary would be.. | 14:57 |
Venemo | BIG | 14:57 |
Stskeeps | yeah, but >250mb? | 14:58 |
Stskeeps | stripped, too | 14:58 |
Venemo | I don't think it'd be that big no | 14:58 |
Venemo | well, the only place where I've seen similar is when someone statically links Qt to his app. I didn't see parts of Qt itself statically linked together yet | 14:59 |
Stskeeps | well, that's maybe a different direction | 14:59 |
Stskeeps | the question is always "how low can mer go" | 15:00 |
Venemo | would it bring any advantages to statically link Qt itself together? | 15:00 |
Stskeeps | well there was a significant discussion on load times, as an example | 15:00 |
Stskeeps | no need to do relocations really | 15:01 |
Stskeeps | combine that into a runtime with fork()ability like meegotouch-applauncherd.. | 15:01 |
Venemo | I see. | 15:02 |
Venemo | would it improve the load time even if all the libs have been loaded? | 15:02 |
Stskeeps | i mean, they'd have been loaded already when you fork() | 15:02 |
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Stskeeps | just thinking out loud :) | 15:03 |
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Venemo | yes, but if they'd've been loaded already, what advantage does it give to have it as a single, big lib? | 15:04 |
Venemo | why not just make a single binary which would load all the libs and which would then fork() ? | 15:04 |
Venemo | btw Stskeeps, how exactly does the applauncherd work? | 15:07 |
Stskeeps | it loads and pre-creates some things and then fork and dlopen's your app | 15:08 |
Stskeeps | pre-creates as in objects, like, for example, stuff needed for qdeclarativeview | 15:09 |
Stskeeps | and your app takes over those objects in your own address space | 15:09 |
Bostik | oh, maemolauncher all over again | 15:09 |
Bostik | and zygote... | 15:09 |
Venemo | Stskeeps, afaik it just creates QApplication and QDeclarativeView instances | 15:10 |
lbt | hmm how to debug systemd on poweroff | 15:11 |
lbt | "Stopped Connection Service" ... then hangs | 15:12 |
Stskeeps | Bostik: yea, but considering the benefits.. | 15:13 |
Stskeeps | Venemo: sure, that's one of the purposes | 15:13 |
Stskeeps | lbt: systemd.log_level=debug systemd.log_target=console | 15:14 |
Bostik | lbt: can you attach strace to systemd before shutting down? that gives at least some hints as to where to look at (last accessed paths) | 15:14 |
Stskeeps | Venemo: that alone takes time :) | 15:14 |
Venemo | Stskeeps, yeah. | 15:14 |
Venemo | Stskeeps, the real win though would be if the results of the JIT compile could be cached | 15:14 |
lbt | Stskeeps: vbox vm - so the console goes away | 15:14 |
Stskeeps | Venemo: or pre-loading qml components.. | 15:15 |
lbt | Bostik: could do that | 15:15 |
Venemo | Stskeeps, that too. | 15:15 |
Stskeeps | lbt: if you're into machocism, vbox supports serial ports | 15:15 |
Bostik | Stskeeps: aye, the benefits are pretty clear - and I remember even seeing some design docs for maemo-launcher, where the stated reason started up from "app launch time" :) | 15:15 |
lbt | eek | 15:15 |
Venemo | Stskeeps, or maybe, just maybe, making qml components less bloated | 15:15 |
* lbt thinks video of console may be better :) | 15:15 | |
Stskeeps | lbt: if you end up going down that road, socat is your friend and unix sockets | 15:16 |
lbt | ok - I'll just log it for now - it's only an issue on shutdown | 15:19 |
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lbt | hehe | 15:21 |
lbt | btw I cancelled the old phost4 | 15:21 |
Stskeeps | k | 15:21 |
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Stskeeps | lbt: wiki.meego.com's acting up btw | 15:32 |
lbt | OK | 15:33 |
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CosmoHill | is mer just you two? | 15:48 |
lbt | no | 15:49 |
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lbt | there's a lot of Mer contributors | 15:50 |
CosmoHill | :) | 15:52 |
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Venemo | CosmoHill, what kind of question was that anyway | 17:57 |
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CosmoHill | Venemo: a dumb one | 19:11 |
Venemo | :P | 19:12 |
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Stskeeps | lbt: i don't know what you did, but "%{name}" is back | 19:35 |
lbt | :/ | 19:35 |
lbt | sorry, let me take a proper look | 19:36 |
Stskeeps | yeah, no upset or anything, just wondering how it came back :) | 19:36 |
Stskeeps | would like to merge it soon so | 19:36 |
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CosmoHill | hey dm8tbr | 19:47 |
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lbt | so Stskeeps... what's going on here? I see "cross-armv5tel-binutils-accel.spec" | 19:58 |
lbt | http://qtl.merproject.org/ef175188-25d9-11e2-8fbc-00163e6e0038.txt | 19:58 |
Stskeeps | yes | 19:58 |
Stskeeps | don't care about the DBC errors | 19:58 |
Stskeeps | i'm going on the SBC for toolchain | 19:59 |
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lbt | ok - so that passed SBC? | 20:01 |
Stskeeps | yes | 20:01 |
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lbt | and I don't see a log and am not sure what the %{name} problem is | 20:01 |
lbt | this may have been when tom was looking at it? | 20:02 |
Stskeeps | http://review.merproject.org/#patch,sidebyside,953,4,binutils.spec | 20:02 |
Stskeeps | line 29 | 20:02 |
lbt | ah | 20:02 |
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lbt | I didn't see the original comment so it never went away :) | 20:03 |
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lbt | right, pushed again | 20:12 |
Stskeeps | thanks | 20:12 |
lbt | np - I completely missed that comment - not seen it before in gerrit | 20:13 |
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Stskeeps | Venemo: as an interesting statistic: http://pastie.org/5178191 , qmlviewer statically linked, stripped, 21mb binary | 20:37 |
Stskeeps | (4.8) | 20:37 |
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Stskeeps | ie, only the qt parts inside is statically linked | 20:37 |
Stskeeps | QtDeclarative has ~16000 relocations alone.. the statically linked qmlviwer binary, roughly 812 | 20:42 |
Stskeeps | 20:43 | |
Stskeeps | w00t: ^ | 20:43 |
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Venemo | Stskeeps, sounds awesome! | 20:47 |
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* Stskeeps ponders idly what he can yield from this result | 20:55 | |
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Venemo | Stskeeps, but once QtDeclarative is loaded into memory, does this really matter anymore? | 20:56 |
Stskeeps | well, not sure | 20:58 |
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lbt | 'apps' | 21:06 |
ljp | qtopia had a single executable mode - static linked. was very fast, but of course, could not add/run 3rd party apps | 21:08 |
Stskeeps | ljp: i'm pondering how it might fit into picture of a qml runtime, but yes, the 3rd party .so loading might be an issue.. | 21:11 |
ljp | we were trying to look into ways we could manually load | 21:12 |
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ljp | not sure how far they got | 21:12 |
ljp | in single executable mode there was not even qt libs | 21:13 |
Stskeeps | yeah, one giant linked image, only thing that got executed? | 21:14 |
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ljp | yes | 21:21 |
* Stskeeps contemplates what would make most sense, qml 'runtime' with fork()'ing and then loading qml stuff or static binary | 21:24 | |
Stskeeps | static binary for the 'runtime', that is | 21:24 |
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