Wednesday, 2012-10-31

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CosmoHillcyas00:19
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sonachmorning all00:37
lbt_awaymorning sonach :)00:45
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lbtanother late night :)00:46
sonachlbt: hey,00:46
sonachyes, it seems that you always work to late night :P00:46
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lbtpeople go away and I can get on with things00:47
lbtalthough to be truthful I've been out most of tonight and am just checking up before bed00:47
sonachreal hacker!00:55
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CosmoHillMorning all07:54
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niqtmorning, today all are preparing masks for halloween08:04
CosmoHillis it halloween today?08:05
Stskeepskontio: we are starting to have a fair bit of patches for stuff like blts-*.. any good suggestions where we could put them?08:05
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Stskeepslike, we should probably set up a git tree for the test sets08:06
kontioStskeeps, sorry I didn't think about that yet, where to put... I guess meego blts-* upstream is dead?! so we (as mer) have to be upstream for it now...08:11
Stskeepsyeah it's dead08:11
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kontiowhere does mer put stuff, for which mer is main upstream contributor? :-) I would put it there... but I guess there is no such thing otherwise yet...08:16
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sledgesgood morning09:14
sledgesvgrade, demo went well, but I could use Mer as well as simple buildroot, due to the almose sufficient simplicity of the project. I am pushing the envelope however09:14
sledgess/almose/almost/09:14
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lbtmorning all09:18
Stskeepsmorn lbt09:18
lbtrelease plans?09:18
* lbt looks for auri__ too o/09:19
Stskeepsno objections from me to start it09:19
Stskeepscheck with phaeron too09:19
auri__morn09:20
phaeronmorning09:20
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auri__\me waves hi to lbt09:20
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Stskeepstoo much qdoc?09:21
Stskeeps:P09:21
auri__:)09:22
w00t\sa coffee09:23
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lbtfirefox is using 4GB RAM ... it thinks it's ld !09:24
lbtauri__: https://qt.gitorious.org/~lbt/qt-creator/lbts-qt-creator/commit/33c7a711d2386df2559ef9ec6859f7f0ab0c101e09:25
auri__yes I saw that09:25
lbtnot this one09:25
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lbtI rebases on the work I see you'd done09:25
lbtI didn't realise you were hacking yesterday :)09:26
auri__well that was in the morn before I left for the event09:26
auri__I patched up the file09:26
lbtI plan on doing some work on the packaging side09:27
lbta simple template09:27
lbtbut I want to discuss first09:27
auri__ok.. I will try to get the integration done today .. if there are no blockers i.e.09:27
auri__aportale is looking into the packaging09:28
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auri__so maybe when he is online .. you can discuss with him09:28
lbtok - the main thing there is whether to prepare a simple spec template or whether to use a yaml one09:28
lbtif you have an easy way to manage yaml then I think it's probably better09:29
lbtif you don't then OK09:29
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auri__I think a simple spec is better .. I guess we have to implement a parser for yaml..09:30
auri__prob something for later versions09:30
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CosmoHilllbt: does mer need any help with web or database stuff?09:35
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lbtCosmoHill: web, yes09:35
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lbtthere's a community effort to do some styling09:35
CosmoHilldesign isn't my strong point but implementation is09:36
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lbtcss implementation ?09:37
CosmoHillgood09:37
lbtthat would be useful09:37
CosmoHillwanna pm in a bit?09:38
lbtsure - or discuss here. it's on-topic09:38
CosmoHillcool, I'll have some brekkie and stuff09:40
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yuntalbt: sdk scripts (sb2_manage, sb-info), are they currently packaged anywhere?09:50
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lbtyes, but not the latest version09:51
lbtjust updating ffox locally09:52
lbtsdk-setup package09:52
lbtsearch github09:52
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yuntaok09:52
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CosmoHillhey lbt09:58
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Stskeepsphaeron: so we're OK from nemo side for mer full release?10:03
Stskeepsi tested n950 and VM, worked fine10:03
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phaeronStskeeps: asking around. n9 side seems working and I have three SRs pending for the new release pulseaudio10:04
Stskeepsk10:05
lbtday early for full release !10:05
Stskeepserr..10:05
Stskeepswait, this month has 31 days?10:05
CosmoHillyes10:06
Stskeepsbut yeah, let's make it a day early10:06
CosmoHill"happy halloween"10:06
lbtback10:07
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CosmoHilllbt: you were saying about css?10:12
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lbtCosmoHill: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2240466/Mer/Mockups/Mer%20Mockup3.png10:14
Stskeepshmm10:15
Stskeepsthere was abetter one10:15
lbthttp://mer.outolumo.net/10:15
Stskeepshttp://realnorth.net/demos/mer/10:15
lbtnope - not seen that. Was it on ml?10:15
sledgesyes AFAIR10:16
Stskeepstwitter mostly, it's parancbia or something here10:16
Stskeepsmaybe it was on ML too10:16
CosmoHillwhat back end will be used?10:16
lbtI fancy https://github.com/mojombo/jekyll/wiki/install10:17
lbtwhich is what github uses10:17
lbtbbiab10:18
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lbtStskeeps: no changes since 0.0.2 ?10:18
Stskeepscorrect10:19
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yuntalbt: mv sb2_manage sdk-manage10:20
yunta?10:20
lbtyes10:20
CosmoHillis the current mer site static html?10:21
lbtit's also in Mer:Tools:Testing10:21
lbtCosmoHill: yes10:21
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CosmoHillgrabaperch.com10:22
CosmoHilla simple CMS that can be added to static sites10:22
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lbtyou've not really got the philosophy round here yet have you? :)10:23
CosmoHillhehe10:23
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* CosmoHill looks into Jekell10:41
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CosmoHillah crap10:43
CosmoHillwas trying to install Jewelry box, a Ruby Version Manager GUI10:43
CosmoHilldoesn't work on 10.5 mac or 10.6 32bit it seems10:43
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lbtout for a bit11:02
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CosmoHillccyas11:03
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CosmoHill"TinyMCE is a lovely little thing, but if I had to do *everything* with it, I would shoot myself immediately" lol11:13
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CosmoHillwhat distro do you guys use on your servers?12:52
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sledgesah joys of not having sudo enabled and fiddling with mer SDK13:26
sledgessdk mount -u root and sdk umount -u root caused havoc by unmounting also system mounts13:26
sledgesrebooting :)13:26
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henrik_lbt: sudo question. Yunta made an image http://img.merproject.org/images/web/yunta/5-20121031-103037/ and i don't get sudo to work at all for mersdk. His .ks didn't have 'echo "mersdk ALL:NOPASSWD..." >/etc/sudoers.d/merskd stuff. So i did it later. But after that when i do 'sudo ls' i get no output at all. Any idea what's wrong here?13:37
lbtsudo pwd13:37
henrik_nothing13:38
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lbtmeeting13:38
henrik_ok. later13:39
lbtetc/sudoers.d/merskd is spelt wrong13:40
lbtcheck perms on it too13:40
lbtbut if it doesn't complain I suspect another issue13:41
henrik_i typed it wrong actually :)13:41
lbtMer 0.20120920.1 ... hmm13:41
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lbtmmm13:43
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lbtfstab is broken13:43
lbthttp://img.merproject.org/images//web/lbt/2-20121020-154012/mer-sdk-nemo-i486-vm.ks13:43
lbtis mine13:44
lbtecho "home     /home/mersdk     vboxsf rw,exec,uid=1001,gid=1001,dev  0 0" >> /etc/fstab13:44
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lbtvs13:44
lbtecho "home     /home/mersdk     vboxsf defaults  0 0" >> /etc/fstab13:45
henrik_lbt: yes there was that too13:45
lbtso you probably don't own $HOME which may break sudo13:45
henrik_lbt:  i did change the /etc/fstab13:45
henrik_but it seems that ynta took wrong .ks as a base.13:46
lbtI think yunta should redo based on my ks = I thought he did13:46
lbtyeah13:46
lbtI could have gaven him a bad url :/13:47
henrik_would this be correct base: http://img.merproject.org/images/web/lbt/2-20121020-154012/mer-sdk-nemo-i486-vm.ks13:47
lbtyes13:47
henrik_another image then13:47
lbtyes13:47
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lbtphaeron: Could we do a project link from CE:Adaptation:x86-generic to CE:Adaptation:x86-generic:kernel-3.613:48
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lbtand just change the kernel?13:48
phaeronlbt: I think we need to change kbuild too13:49
phaeronerr no13:49
phaeronvirtualbox13:49
phaeronlbt: but yeah sure to catch breakage13:49
lbtmore to support multiple versions13:50
lbtmaybe even set it to rebuild all13:50
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lbthey yunta - henrik_ was just saying your ks is a bit different from http://img.merproject.org/images//web/lbt/2-20121020-154012/mer-sdk-nemo-i486-vm.ks and sudo is bust13:52
phaeronlbt: hmm13:52
phaeronno13:52
lbtso maybe rebase the changes on that for now13:52
phaeronas temporary staging area ok13:52
lbtphaeron: do you agree it'd be nice to have multiple kernel version support?13:52
phaeronbut I don't think we have enough effort to support multiple version support ( and until the bootloader mess is fixed we can't do it anyway )13:53
lbtI need 3.6 asap and don't want to break exopc for nemo13:54
lbtanyhow .. food then mtg in 6min13:54
lbtbbiab :)13:54
phaeronlbt: ok later :)13:55
phaeronlbt: 3.6 improves exopc13:55
phaeronat least doesn't break it13:56
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aportaleauri__: Can you give me (again) the wiki link to how to setup the Mer VM? I'm ready for another attempt now :)13:59
lbthttps://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK_on_VirtualBox14:00
aportalelbt: Thanks14:00
* aportale saves bookmark14:00
lbtaportale: I have a meeting now - in ~1hr can we discuss pkg template.14:01
aportalelbt: Ok. See you then14:01
yuntalbt: apparently I took wrong ks as a base. henrik_  just fixed it and is rebuilding stuff14:01
lbtaportale: I would like to use a yaml template because I think you can easily do key/value subst in that for most values and we have a yaml->spec tool which should be easy to use behind the scenes14:02
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aportalelbt: Fine for me.14:02
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lbt:)14:03
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sledgeshow can I have zephyr's armv7hl target in order to be able to compile Qt5(gmake?) apps with sb2 within Mer's Platform SDK ?14:25
Stskeepswhat?14:27
Stskeeps:P14:27
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sledgeshttps://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK_and_SB2#Target_Preparation14:30
yuntalbt: we're generating huge raw images now, can we at least compress them on imger side? (or better convert to vdi and compress)14:30
lbtyunta: I need to login to do that14:30
lbtIMG needs fixing (or updating possibly(14:31
lbt)14:31
lbt)14:31
yuntaI meant automatically14:31
yuntaso it could do it? (noticed vdi option)14:31
phaeronno vdi is not possible yet14:31
phaeroncompressed yes14:31
yuntacool, it takes ages to download now :)14:33
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sledgesStskeeps, ^14:33
Stskeepssledges: you grab the target file system and initialize it as a sb2 target along with the correct toolchain and qemu14:34
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sledgesok, is there zephyr's armv7hl port ?14:35
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sledgesthe goal is to use Qt5.0, so Qt5.0's armv7hl port would suffice14:35
sledges(/me doesn't know yet about Qt5's integration with xorg or selectively with wayland)14:36
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Stskeepssledges: can you hang on ~15 minutes while i shower?14:37
henrik_lbt: using your latest vm .ks as a base everything just worked.14:37
sledgesStskeeps, yes, don't use any electronic devices in there14:38
Stskeepsdamnit, that was my escape plan14:38
sledgesmwhahahaha14:39
lbthenrik_: of course :)14:40
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henrik_lbt: i wonder what .ks file you gave to yunta before :)14:40
lbtI think he tried to add lasers....14:40
yuntathat may be my fault actually.....14:41
yuntaI probably download right ks but used wrong one :)14:41
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Stskeepssledges: okay, walk me through what you want to accomplish, and on what SoC14:51
sledgescurrently on N914:52
sledgesI want to run my own Qt5 app on N914:52
sledgesplan would be: zephyr on N9 (via MOSLO)14:52
Stskeepsno need to involve zephyr, you can just install qt5 packages14:52
sledgesfirst stopper: no armv7hl build for it (I could put up with armv7l, but later everything will go on Pandaboard)14:53
sledgesok14:53
sledgessounds good14:53
sledgesis there a Qt5 armv7hl port ?14:53
Stskeepsyes, mer has qt5 and it's even ported to mipsel and armv6l14:53
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sledgessounds like a plan14:53
sledgesif any of my planned SoC will not be powerful enough, would be nice to replace X with wayland for hopeful performance increase (after having worked on GLES adaptation, of course)14:54
Stskeeps:nod:14:54
Stskeepsjust be aware that wayland adaptations are rare, until we've really sorted out libhybris14:54
Stskeepsso just follow the sb2 instructions for nemo/n9 and zypper search qt514:54
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sledgeslibhybris has nothing to do with N9/Pb (?)14:55
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StskeepsN9... well, not strictly at the moment no14:57
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sledgesI will use Qt Creator instead of Mer SDK, so no need sb2 nemo/n9, it appears..14:58
sledgesas I don't know how to gmake under mersdk14:58
sledgesand GUI in this case is more acceptable (by other developers around here)14:58
Stskeepsqmake14:59
Stskeepsand follow lbt's work on SDK14:59
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lbthttps://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK_on_VirtualBox fyi14:59
lbtso you get a black-box running Mer and sb214:59
sledgesah I thought that one's text only15:00
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lbtwe're working on making QtCreator 'just work'15:02
lbt-> coffee15:02
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sledgeswould be really nice if SB2 (Platform SDK) could export to a (localhost) repository, where other devices then could just sync from it15:07
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sledgesor is it already done (i presume), I just don't know how. yet ;)15:13
auri__lbt: do you have some time15:14
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sledgeslooks like he's in a coffee trance :) why wouldn't you just state you question instead?15:22
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sledgesno black-box launched in VM..15:34
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sledgesnor Qt creator, I presume it's all in nice developing stages (/me will try to install Xorg and take it from there :))15:37
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sledgesnothing provides qtcreator.. hmmm15:41
aportalesledges: In case You mean Qt Creator with "mer support", that one is still in the making :)15:42
sledgesi meant as in Mer-Qt5-development pattern15:44
sledgesany chance to get my hands on dirty experience?15:44
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lbtauri__: I do now15:49
lbtsledges: yes, it will provide a 'localhost' repo15:51
lbtsledges: "no black-box launched in VM.."  ? did you download the  VM vdi image and follow the steps?15:52
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aportalesledges: Sorry, no experience about Mer-Qt5 here.15:59
sledgeslbt, yes16:00
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sledgeslbt, it just sits on a console16:00
lbtSaying "Welcome to the Mer SDK"?16:00
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Stskeeps[17:00] <lbt> Saying "Welcome to the Mer SDK"?16:01
sledgesyes16:01
sledgesor is this exactly what you mean by "black-box"16:01
sledges:D16:01
* lbt turns of rob-stskeeps echo mode16:01
lbtrobo16:01
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lbtyes, what colour is the console?16:01
sledgesas there is a graphical Blackbox wm as well16:01
sledges:DDD16:01
sledgesblack16:01
lbtstfu then16:01
sledgeslol trlol :D16:01
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lbtso, seriously - that has a nemo target inside16:02
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lbtwe're building a creator that will just target it16:02
lbtif you feel like it you can git clone it and build it16:02
sledgeswell16:02
sledgeswhat I need is a qt5-capable qtcreator16:03
sledgescurrently compiling qt5-qtbase-git from Archlinux AUR16:03
lbtOK, so there's no reason it's not16:03
lbthowever I'm not yet providing Qt5 targets16:03
sledgeswell I'll be in hybrid mode now I guess16:03
lbtand I don't know how creator 4.6 works with Qt5 - no problems there I'd guess16:04
lbtaportale: seen auri__? he pinged me16:04
sledgesnot much with mersdk, but will want to build qt5 apps for arm. currently have qtcreator 2.5.84 (based on Qt 4.8.3 64 bit)16:04
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lbtsledges: nb .. it's good to see you got it up + working though16:04
sledges-vm- ?16:04
lbtyeah - so it should work16:04
lbt(yes)16:05
sledgesyes, so far seems all legit :)16:05
Stskeepssledges: start out by figuring out how it works with sdk-sb2 alone16:05
Stskeepsafter that, creator is a breeze16:05
aportalelbt: He's still here. Just ultra-focussed on his code. :)16:05
sledgeswell, I already went through hello world sb2ing16:05
lbtaportale: don't disturb him then16:05
Stskeepsgrab a nemo target, install qt5 development headers in there16:05
sledgesand that works also on N9, (what a great feeling)16:05
lbtStskeeps: I think we'll really want a mic/osc approach to target mgmt too (rather than zypper)16:06
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Stskeepslbt: correct, but i'm teaching sledges a lesson here16:06
Stskeeps:P16:06
lbtoh yes16:07
Stskeepsas he'll need that later16:07
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sledgesso i already have platform sdk nemo target vm, where it's a breeze to do zypper in qt5-qmake (et al.)16:09
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Stskeepsgood16:12
sledgesso then in QtCreator (on my host machine) I go Tools->options->Build & Rim->Qt Versions->Add->(mounted vm disk)->qmake location16:13
sledges?16:13
Stskeepsbuild .. and rim?16:13
sledgesand see everything magically working (I'll also need an arm tool chain)16:13
sledgeswell, Run16:14
sledgesxD16:14
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sledgeswhich toolchain do you use?16:24
sledgesfor arm16:24
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Stskeepsarmv7hl-meego-linux-gnueabi16:27
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sledgesnice, thank you fellows!16:37
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sledgesit looks as I will have to build a nemo-armv7hl target and install qt5 headers+libs on it17:24
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vgradeevening all17:52
sledgesgotta love Mer!!! for armv7hl: sb2 -t mer-core -m sdk-install -R zypper install qt5-qtcore-devel !!17:52
sledgesbut17:52
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sledgesInstallation of gdbm-1.8.3-1.18 failed:17:53
sledges(with --nodeps --force) Error: Subprocess failed. Error: RPM failed: error: /var/cache/zypp/packages/mer-core/armv7hl/gdbm-1.8.3-1.18.armv7hl.rpm: Header SHA1 digest: BAD17:53
sledgeshya vgrade17:53
sledgesI'm defo sticking with Mer, as qt5 cross-compiling looks dead easy17:54
sledges:)17:54
sledges(when we'll solve above problems ;))17:54
sledgeslbt, Stskeeps ^17:54
sledges:)17:54
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vgradetime to make a proper Pi image with our latest toys, any Qt5 apps on OBS I can pull in guys?17:56
sledgesfalse alarm fellows: had to sdk umount, sdk mount, sdk enter17:57
sledgesit was most probably because I have launched mersdk-vm in that midst17:57
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Stskeepslbt: status of release?18:59
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lbtall done - waiting until tonight (now-ish) to push to cobs19:00
lbtnemo guys had some work to do today19:00
Aardphaeron: ^^19:00
Aardping lbt when snapshot is done19:00
phaeronyes19:01
phaeronrequest just got in this very moment19:01
Aardand let's hope those bloody home project don't make cobs take longer than tomorrow morning to rebuild...19:01
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lbtphaeron: so... hang on for a few mins ?19:03
phaeronlbt: yes I'll tell you when ready19:04
lbtOK19:04
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phaeronlbt: good to go now :)19:39
lbtty19:39
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yunta/usr/lib/rpm/meego/find-docs.sh: No such file or directory20:02
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lbtbug 62420:10
MerbotMer bug 624 in meego-rpm-config "find-docs.sh fails in case the %buildrood directory doesn't exist" [Normal,New] https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62420:10
lbtor bug 62120:10
MerbotMer bug 621 in rpm "rpm-build should require meego-rpm-config" [Normal,New] https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62120:10
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yuntalol, cool20:12
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lbtso I'm exploring some sb2 stuff and hitting :  QMAKESPEC has not been set, so configuration cannot be deduced.21:17
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lbtqmake -query gives sane answers21:17
lbtQMAKE_MKSPECS:/usr/share/qt4/mkspecs21:17
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lbtnm .. looks like an sb2 issue21:22
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lbtStskeeps: have you played with        sb2-init -L "--sysroot=/" -C "--sysroot=/" -m sdk-build -n -N -t / nemo_i486 /usr/bin/gcc21:34
Stskeepsyes, won't work21:35
lbtit accepts it but mappings are not working21:35
lbt:)21:36
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Stskeepsld doesn't do sysroots21:36
lbtthis makes it hard to install/target a nemo sysroot for the nemo-vbox-vm image21:36
lbtI know you were looking at cross21:37
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lbtso I was hoping this would be a workaround21:37
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yuntalbt: if you're interested: http://img.merproject.org/images//web/yunta/5-20121031-213459/22:15
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yuntalbt: boots to fb + splash (some glitch during boot, but finishes ok), web ui up, kernel 3.6.1, up to date sdk-setup22:16
lbtneat22:16
yuntalbt: to do: remove ply from boot process, fix sdk-manage not to ask for user input (so web ui can work), tune web-ui looks22:17
yuntaafter that I'm useless I guess22:17
lbtI was waiting until tomorrow and then doing one with new core too22:17
lbt*g*22:17
yuntaow22:17
CosmoHillhappy mer release everyone22:17
yuntacan you build on top of that one?22:18
lbtoh yes22:18
yuntagood22:18
lbtbut I won't bother making the vdi if that's OK22:18
yuntahenrik_: ^22:18
yuntasure22:18
lbtI'm a bit concerned about the non-arm toolchain at the moment22:19
yuntamappings problem?22:19
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lbtwell - we ideally want to use sb2 to keep the target out of the SDK22:20
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yuntayes22:21
lbtI'm building a really minimal ks/root22:21
lbt5 packages, no groups22:22
yuntawow22:23
lbtlibqt-devel glibc-devel mesa-llvmpipe-libEGL-devel mesa-llvmpipe-libGLESv2-devel  and ... to avoid a mic error: shadow-utils22:23
yuntaso what's the problem?22:23
yuntawhy are you concerned?22:23
lbtwe can't make a 486 one22:24
lbtwe can make the .ks/rootfd22:24
lbts22:24
lbtbut the toolchain doesn't work22:24
lbtwe'll discuss with Carsten in the morning22:24
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yuntaehm, /me is useless there - knows nothing about sb2 and all it's weird cross compilation tricks.22:29
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CosmoHillnight night23:10
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