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| rcg | Stskeeps, for getting neon to work i would need an entire rebuild right? | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | hmm? | 10:38 |
| rcg | if i understand correctly that's what armv7nhl or something is for? | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | no no, qt autodetects it for example | 10:39 |
| rcg | oh, really? | 10:39 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 10:39 |
| Stskeeps | what's your use case? | 10:39 |
| rcg | i am trying to build emumaster for nemo.. but it uses some very low-level optimizations at assembly level | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | BuildArch: armv7nhl but honestly, your code should check in auxv for neon available and enable the code as available | 10:41 |
| rcg | http://pastebin.com/DxCswY9S | 10:41 |
| rcg | well, it's not really my code and i am not really an expert when it comes to such low-level stuff | 10:42 |
| Stskeeps | add CFLAGS="-mfpu=neon" | 10:42 |
| rcg | ah, right, will give it a try :) | 10:42 |
| rcg | would be really cool if that thing builds properly... i mean i already got some kind of build but it's missing quite some bits because my first shot was to remove all this neon specific stuff | 10:43 |
| rcg | thx Stskeeps :) | 10:44 |
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| rcg | great, looks much better now :) | 11:01 |
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| * CosmoHill shoves a cup of tea into vgrade's hands | 11:10 | |
| lbt | ntp is a PoS | 11:11 |
| vgrade | CosmoHill: thanks | 11:13 |
| vgrade | morning all | 11:13 |
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| lbt | hey vgrade | 11:58 |
| CosmoHill | anyone know how to make a git commit but set the date? | 12:09 |
| CosmoHill | i.e. i forgot to commit on the day | 12:09 |
| lbt | git commit --date | 12:11 |
| lbt | GIT_COMMITTER_DATE | 12:11 |
| CosmoHill | grr, I did that and it ignored the date i typed | 12:13 |
| lbt | man git commit | 12:13 |
| CosmoHill | git commit -m "foobar" --date 20121017 | 12:14 |
| CosmoHill | ah wrong format | 12:15 |
| CosmoHill | git commit --amend --date="Wed 17 Oct 2012 21:30:00 BST" | 12:18 |
| CosmoHill | thanks :) | 12:18 |
| lbt | np | 12:19 |
| lbt | first time I hit that problem I found and ported a library that intercepted the system time lookup and used LD_PRELOAD to make git think it was running 10 years ago | 12:20 |
| lbt | I really shoulda RTFM *g* | 12:20 |
| CosmoHill | eep | 12:20 |
| lbt | to be fair I'm not sure it was in the manual (or even possible?) at the time I did it | 12:21 |
| CosmoHill | that's crazy | 12:21 |
| CosmoHill | couldn't you just quickly change the system date, do the commit and change it back or run ntp update? | 12:22 |
| lbt | ew ... hacky | 12:22 |
| CosmoHill | lol | 12:22 |
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| CosmoHill | speaking of hacky, got a IE7 issue | 12:25 |
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| vgrade | lbt: morning | 12:34 |
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| CosmoHill | I checked to see if a string was empty | 12:53 |
| CosmoHill | but the string would never be empty because it's hashed before the test | 12:53 |
| yunta | lbt: are there no sb2 toolchains for 486/586 available as patterns ? | 12:58 |
| lbt | not yet | 12:58 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: ^^ makes it hard to have a nemo i586 rootfs to be used as a build target - will it get into next weeks Core? | 13:00 |
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| dm8tbr | CosmoHill: check against the hash of an empty string? *duck* *run* | 13:02 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: there's a blocker i need to figure out when i haven't had a restless night | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | and yes, i totally agree | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | it won't be part of next week's core, but pretty soon after | 13:03 |
| lbt | OK - bounce it around tomorrow maybe? | 13:03 |
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| Stskeeps | perhaps yes | 13:03 |
| lbt | Ok .. i'm migrating phost4 atm | 13:03 |
| dm8tbr | btw: anyone here going to the linaro or ubuntu events this week in CPH? | 13:04 |
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| kulve | xvimagesink almost works with qmlgallery. There are some wrong colors on the top of the video but otherwise it plays nicely even in the composited thumbnail view | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | cool | 13:15 |
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| kulve | I think the decoder rounds the size up to next 16 pixels and that might confuse something, because there's extra 8 pixels compared to original size (with this particular video) | 13:17 |
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| faenil | kulve, I got hw acc video working 1-2 months ago | 13:20 |
| faenil | I don't remember having wrong colours :/ | 13:20 |
| kulve | I have it "working" as well | 13:20 |
| Stskeeps | faenil: different hw :) | 13:20 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, oh, sorry haven't read the backlog :) | 13:21 |
| yunta | lbt: do you build sdk vm kernel locally, or on obs only? | 13:21 |
| lbt | both | 13:21 |
| kulve | one of the sinks implement GstXOverlay and that plays nicely with the qmlgallery but I can't quit it nor unmaximise it | 13:21 |
| yunta | lbt: and locally how? on 486 host? | 13:21 |
| lbt | platform SDK :) | 13:21 |
| Stskeeps | platform sdk has i486 gcc | 13:22 |
| Stskeeps | non-crosscompile edition though | 13:22 |
| yunta | if I use normal (non-vm) sdk on 64 bit machine, does it do 32-bit chroot? | 13:24 |
| kulve | that sink does handle XEvents by default. I wonder if it that's a bad choice.. | 13:24 |
| lbt | yunta: yes | 13:24 |
| yunta | thx | 13:24 |
| lbt | yunta: FYI there's a newer 3.6 kernel in iamer's home | 13:25 |
| yunta | hm, he has 2 pkgs there kernel-adaptation-pc and kernel-adaptation-vm-x86. are we planning to use the second one later? | 13:28 |
| lbt | not sure about that - could be a link with an alternate config | 13:33 |
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| yunta | uh | 13:33 |
| phaeron | yunta: use -adaptation-pc | 13:39 |
| phaeron | the other one is more minimal and has things like builtin kernel dhcp cline | 13:39 |
| phaeron | *client | 13:39 |
| phaeron | if my kernel-adaptation-pc works ok for you I can promote it. If there are missing configs tell me to add it | 13:40 |
| phaeron | virtualbox is also copied to my home but doesn't build (lbt has maintainer there too) | 13:40 |
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| lbt | sorry guys I'm busy kicking the crap out of some damned phosts | 13:41 |
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| yunta | phaeron: ok, I'll check it | 13:44 |
| phaeron | lbt: any pointers on how to fix virtualbox ? | 13:45 |
| lbt | yeah - it has a hardcoded assumption in the spec about kernel source location | 13:45 |
| lbt | trivial fix | 13:45 |
| lbt | guess who didn't want to spend 5 hours on migrating crap to suse 12.2 | 13:46 |
| phaeron | lbt: adam ? | 13:46 |
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| lbt | me | 13:46 |
| phaeron | ah | 13:46 |
| lbt | btw phaeron could you do a 12.2 target on cobs please | 13:46 |
| phaeron | lbt: I will (what do we gain?) | 13:47 |
| lbt | mer infra packages | 13:47 |
| lbt | and soon OBS | 13:47 |
| kulve | Stskeeps: too many sinks to try. nvxvimagesink seems to work perfectly (i.e. tried twice) with qmlgallery | 13:47 |
| kulve | both in application view and in the composited thumbnail view | 13:47 |
| lbt | could you make a note of the steps for me too | 13:47 |
| phaeron | lbt: did you try using the 12.1 packages ? | 13:47 |
| lbt | I am for now | 13:47 |
| lbt | it's 'soon', not 'now' | 13:48 |
| phaeron | lbt: it's already documented sec | 13:48 |
| phaeron | lbt: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/OBS_projects_setup | 13:48 |
| phaeron | lbt: very easy btw | 13:48 |
| lbt | k | 13:49 |
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| lbt | there's a reason we use DNS | 13:53 |
| phaeron | is that for me ? :D | 13:57 |
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| lbt | no, me making a stupid mistake | 14:06 |
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| Stskeeps | morning JohnMore | 14:20 |
| JohnMore | morning | 14:21 |
| Bostik | *buurrrppp* | 14:21 |
| Bostik | ate a good serving of särä, and now looking for a small cognac.. | 14:22 |
| Bostik | (think "slow-roast mutton") | 14:25 |
| lbt | nice | 14:25 |
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| yunta | lbt: another problem with (retarded smb) shared build dir: no mmap | 14:29 |
| yunta | Could not mmap file: vmlinux | 14:29 |
| yunta | make: *** [vmlinux] Error 1 | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | aren't we doing an application sdk and not a full scale able-to-build kernel one..? | 14:31 |
| lbt | well, he's using the VM SDK for some reason | 14:31 |
| lbt | but it's good to know | 14:31 |
| yunta | well, I have sdk also on host, but I like the idea of sdk vm, so wanted to try it out | 14:32 |
| lbt | sure, that's allowed :) | 14:32 |
| lbt | yunta: we'll add that to known limitations | 14:36 |
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| CosmoHill | do you guys use any programs to store bits of code you use a lot? | 15:07 |
| * Stskeeps hugs his opensolaris-running 4tb file server | 15:09 | |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:09 |
| CosmoHill | ooo, I want a 4tb server | 15:11 |
| Aard | CosmoHill: bad choice, not enough space :/ | 15:15 |
| CosmoHill | what do you have then? | 15:15 |
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| Aard | 3tb in server, 2tb external, and a few tb swapped out on LTO | 15:16 |
| CosmoHill | I have 500GB (2 x 500GB in RAID 1) and 200GB | 15:17 |
| Aard | :) | 15:18 |
| Aard | notebook alone has 1tb (+1tb in docking station), and I'm desperately waiting for 2.5" drives >1tb | 15:19 |
| CosmoHill | you have a lot of stuff | 15:19 |
| Aard | it accumulates rather quickly. keep a few kernel build directies around and you're already in the 10th of gigabytes | 15:21 |
| * lbt looks behind him at the 6Tb raid5, the 1Tb mirror, the 2Tb mirror the 3-way 2Tb backups mirror, at the 2Tb mirror in his desktop | 15:22 | |
| lbt | the 3 spare 1Tb drives | 15:22 |
| lbt | also the stack of SATA drives <500Gb that he couldn't give away | 15:23 |
| lbt | storage sucks | 15:23 |
| CosmoHill | I don't want to spend £80 for a 2TB hard drive | 15:24 |
| Aard | lbt: remind me again what you had there | 15:25 |
| lbt | MythTV | 15:25 |
| Aard | no, on drives you want to get rid off | 15:25 |
| CosmoHill | http://stats.cosmo1847.co.uk | 15:25 |
| lbt | 160 80 3x250 | 15:26 |
| CosmoHill | I have a 8GB Seagate from 1998 | 15:27 |
| CosmoHill | one of the pins has been replaced with a paper clip that you stab yourself on when you try to plug it in | 15:27 |
| lbt | and probably more in old server chassis | 15:28 |
| * Aard is thinking, but I can't come up for a good use of 3.5" versions of drives that slow | 15:28 | |
| Aard | s/slow/small/ | 15:29 |
| CosmoHill | 5900rpm slow? | 15:29 |
| lbt | nop, and too power hungry to be useful | 15:29 |
| CosmoHill | oh i see | 15:29 |
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| CosmoHill | what's the spec of the rest of the server, cpu + ram? | 15:30 |
| Aard | lbt: well, I don't care about 'too power hungry', the server is a dual ultrasparc IIIi :) | 15:31 |
| lbt | hehe | 15:31 |
| lbt | isn't that PATA ? | 15:31 |
| Aard | sparc? mostly scsi | 15:31 |
| CosmoHill | Aard: ah you bitch, I have a UltraSPARC IIe with PATA | 15:32 |
| CosmoHill | not been used in ages | 15:32 |
| Aard | CosmoHill: I have more than 10 64bit sparc boxes sitting here, and a handful of 32bit things | 15:32 |
| CosmoHill | what's the most powerful one you don't use? | 15:32 |
| CosmoHill | wait, 32bit? that's early to mid 90s or older | 15:33 |
| Aard | lbt: the lsi mpt sas controllers can be flashed with openboot firmware, which allows me booting that thing from a 500gb sata mirror :) | 15:33 |
| Aard | CosmoHill: yep, good old lunchboxes, and a sparcstation voyager | 15:33 |
| CosmoHill | I have a HP Pizzabox | 15:34 |
| Aard | I have one ultra 1000 I currently don't use much, need to get the ram upgrade working | 15:34 |
| lbt | mmm my Suse machine is talking german at me | 15:34 |
| Aard | recently upgraded it to 1.28 ghz (not officially supported, but there are servers using the same cpu modules) | 15:34 |
| CosmoHill | oooo | 15:34 |
| CosmoHill | mine is 550mhz | 15:34 |
| CosmoHill | you're in england aren't you? | 15:35 |
| Aard | finland | 15:35 |
| CosmoHill | balls | 15:35 |
| CosmoHill | btw, my current server is a 2.8Ghz P4 with 3GB DDR ram | 15:35 |
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| Aard | I threw away most of my intel hardware when I left germany 2009, only kept the interesting (i.e, mostly really old intel, or alpha, sparc, ppc) bits. threw away around 30 complete computers and lot's of small parts back then | 15:40 |
| CosmoHill | wow | 15:41 |
| CosmoHill | did you show me a picture of your room one time and it was full of computers, even on the bed | 15:41 |
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| Aard | might be | 15:41 |
| CosmoHill | you slept iwth a keyboard and other stuff? | 15:41 |
| Aard | sometimes I removed it before sleeping :p | 15:42 |
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| CosmoHill | would anyone in here be interested in an online code snippet repository? | 15:53 |
| CosmoHill | no? | 15:59 |
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| lbt | so ... mount.nfs: access denied by server while mounting ... | 16:17 |
| lbt | you'd think the server could be arsed to log why wouldn't you | 16:17 |
| dm8tbr | psh, the server laughs at your puny wishes | 16:18 |
| lbt | suse sucks | 16:18 |
| dm8tbr | Isn't this a NFS inherent limitation? | 16:18 |
| lbt | what? no logging? | 16:19 |
| dm8tbr | refusing mount access without reason | 16:19 |
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| CosmoHill | started working on a new project, so far I've just about managed to set up a git repo i can share between computers | 16:44 |
| CosmoHill | taken me 7 placebo songs | 16:44 |
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| Aard | what's the tricky bit about setting up a git repo? | 16:47 |
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| CosmoHill | I've used git before | 16:48 |
| CosmoHill | but i've not set up a bare repo before that i can push too | 16:48 |
| CosmoHill | also git is in difference places on each machine >.< | 16:48 |
| Aard | git init --bare? that was hard :p | 16:48 |
| CosmoHill | so far I've done very little planning, set up git and enabled php on my mac | 16:52 |
| CosmoHill | and now the colours on the new machine is bugging me | 16:55 |
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| Stskeeps | hello laak1 | 17:35 |
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| Stskeeps | that moment when you realize you've been debugging against the wrong kernel for 2 hours | 18:47 |
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| ljp | doh | 19:27 |
| ljp | whats the state of mer on the n9? any better than n900? | 19:27 |
| Stskeeps | depends on what your gripe on n900 was :) | 19:27 |
| ljp | mainly the battery | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | as in battery indicator? | 19:28 |
| ljp | as in my n900 seems to have no power management | 19:29 |
| ljp | doesnt charge when pluggin into usb | 19:29 |
| ljp | plugged | 19:29 |
| Stskeeps | that should really work | 19:29 |
| Stskeeps | ps aux | grep bme | 19:29 |
| Stskeeps | of course if you are using more power than it can give.. | 19:29 |
| ljp | I woudl assume that overnight it should not discharge completely when plugged in | 19:30 |
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| Stskeeps | that it definately shouldn't | 19:31 |
| Aard | you're sure your usb connector is working? :) | 19:31 |
| Stskeeps | that's another good point | 19:31 |
| Stskeeps | n900 is .. weak like that | 19:31 |
| ljp | yes | 19:31 |
| ljp | unless the thing turns off charging when ssh'd into it | 19:31 |
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| ljp | same connector charges other phones :) | 19:32 |
| ljp | unless there is hardware malfunction on this n900 | 19:33 |
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| Stskeeps | in other news: qt5 cinematic experience on top of libhybris | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | 30fps, wonder if there's a double buffering somewhere | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | looks smooth to me | 19:44 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: what is cinematic experience | 19:46 |
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| Stskeeps | search for qt5 cinematic experience | 19:56 |
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| book123 | ok, I am looking for a super low power linux device with screen min 800x600. I think I just found it. A recent "bookeen cybook" E-Reader. It is low power, but seems to have touch screen, wlan, bluetooth, microsd slot. the best thing, it already runs linux. the problem?..... | 19:57 |
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| book123 | while it seems, they actually provide GPL code, it's behind a user login. no Idea what quality it is. | 19:58 |
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| book123 | someone interested in buying a "cybook-orizon" or registering at bookin for the code? http://www.bookeen.com/en/support_download?idPart=3 | 20:01 |
| book123 | I am low on money and can't go buying a "non-linux" friendly device, and I hate registering somewhere. | 20:03 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: I wonder why settop boxes are crappy ... :D | 20:03 |
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| book123 | found a review: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPY5n3xwcko&feature=relmfu | 20:09 |
| book123 | oops handson | 20:10 |
| book123 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwtHvOE5Gpw&feature=related | 20:12 |
| Stskeeps | book123: there's open distros for ereaders, go see what they recoommend | 20:13 |
| book123 | Stskeeps: I looked aready, most project seems dead. I came here because that one I mentioned before is basicaly a multi-touch tablet with wlan, bluetooth, microsd-reader and (maybe) ok GPL source. such a device must be interessting for some people here. it is for me, i think. | 20:17 |
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| rcg | anyone already encountered: ".. is intended for a different architecture" when trying to setup a new target in the mer sdk? | 20:31 |
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| yunta | phaeron: I've installed your kernel, happily ignoring grubby failure, and my vm doesn't boot any more :D | 21:16 |
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| phaeron | yunta: https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=179 | 21:29 |
| Merbot | Nemo bug 179 in x86-generic "Device doesn't boot after kernel update" [Normal,New] | 21:29 |
| phaeron | yunta: symlink /boot/vmlinuz to /boot/extlinux/vmlinuz | 21:29 |
| phaeron | or similar | 21:29 |
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| phaeron | yunta: you can mount the vbox vdi using qemu-nbd | 21:32 |
| yunta | thx | 21:32 |
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| Venemo | hi | 21:34 |
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| phaeron | hi | 21:37 |
| CosmoHill | hey | 21:37 |
| phaeron | ho | 21:37 |
| phaeron | :D | 21:37 |
| CosmoHill | nah I'm good | 21:37 |
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| CosmoHill | night night / slaapwel | 22:15 |
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| vgrade | maui packaging status , https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?project=home%3Avgrade%3Amaui | 22:43 |
| vgrade | need to patch qtbase with upstream commit to go further | 22:45 |
| vgrade | lbt, git-pkg working well but still having to upload tarballs | 22:47 |
| lbt | yes; I've just not written that part yet | 22:48 |
| lbt | does it make sense to you then ? | 22:48 |
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| yunta | fck, ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host | 23:03 |
| yunta | on second vm sdk server | 23:04 |
| vgrade | lbt, so far so good | 23:04 |
| lbt | yunta: you're running 2 VMs? | 23:05 |
| yunta | not at the same time | 23:05 |
| yunta | different port also | 23:05 |
| vgrade | lbt, I would like to do an update to the commit id | 23:05 |
| yunta | any quick fix before I start painful ssh conn debugging ? | 23:05 |
| vgrade | lbt. see how that works | 23:06 |
| lbt | vgrade: OK - need help? | 23:06 |
| vgrade | lbt: ie update a package with new content | 23:07 |
| vgrade | lbt, I think you cover it in docs | 23:07 |
| lbt | yunta: not casually - pastie full msg | 23:08 |
| vgrade | lbt, stuck on one of the packages atm but once I have that sorted I can continue with updating | 23:08 |
| lbt | vgrade: essentially the _src file says "use the git mechanism to make this tarball using this sha1/tag; then if there's another sha1/tag, make a patch set" | 23:08 |
| vgrade | lbt, ok | 23:10 |
| lbt | so typically to do a 2nd release in a controlled manner you edit the yaml/spec; possibly change the sha1 (assuming upstream code changes) or possible change the patch sha1 (assuming additional local patches) | 23:10 |
| vgrade | lbt: upstream is moving fast so there should be opportunity to test | 23:11 |
| lbt | OK | 23:11 |
| vgrade | lbt: am I right in thinking when i've done the git commit -s at the end that the yaml, spec and _src changes are only stored on my local machine? | 23:13 |
| lbt | mmm, yes | 23:14 |
| lbt | until you push the pkg-mer branch somewhere | 23:14 |
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| lbt | which you can do to github - and still maintain git merge compatibility with upstream | 23:15 |
| vgrade | but on the OBS as well | 23:15 |
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| lbt | OK, so the *goal* is that you'd push the _src file and a _service file to OBS | 23:16 |
| vgrade | so I need some instruction on doing that puch | 23:16 |
| lbt | the _service file says "go to this github repo" | 23:16 |
| vgrade | got it | 23:16 |
| lbt | git push github pkg-mer | 23:16 |
| lbt | :) | 23:16 |
| lbt | s/github/origin/ | 23:16 |
| lbt | we don't put the _service file in git since it could be gitorious or even an internal company clone | 23:17 |
| vgrade | does it need to be a githib repo or any git repo? | 23:18 |
| lbt | any | 23:18 |
| lbt | and, to be clear that's the bit I've not written | 23:20 |
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| vgrade | lbt, nod | 23:23 |
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| lbt | it really shouldn't hold you back - the service will do *exactly* the same as rm *; git checkout -f pkg-mer; gp_mkpkg; osc ar; osc ci | 23:24 |
| lbt | ie clean up; checkout spec/yaml etc from git; prepare a tarball/patches; send to OBS | 23:25 |
| lbt | OK *exactly* is stretching it 'cos it needs to change the spec/yaml to update patch sets I guess :) | 23:25 |
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