Sunday, 2012-10-28

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lbtmorning all08:51
* lbt buys some more servers and starts to migrate phost408:51
situMorning08:51
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ljphi09:33
CosmoHillhi09:33
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CosmoHillortylp: what did you do?!09:34
ortylpCosmoHill: nothing, really...09:35
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* CosmoHill gives Sleepy_Coder coder some redbull09:39
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CosmoHilltoo much red bull i think09:44
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rcgStskeeps, for getting neon to work i would need an entire rebuild right?10:38
Stskeepshmm?10:38
rcgif i understand correctly that's what armv7nhl or something is for?10:38
Stskeepsno no, qt autodetects it for example10:39
rcgoh, really?10:39
Stskeepsyes10:39
Stskeepswhat's your use case?10:39
rcgi am trying to build emumaster for nemo.. but it uses some very low-level optimizations at assembly level10:40
StskeepsBuildArch: armv7nhl but honestly, your code should check in auxv for neon available and enable the code as available10:41
rcghttp://pastebin.com/DxCswY9S10:41
rcgwell, it's not really my code and i am not really an expert when it comes to such low-level stuff10:42
Stskeepsadd CFLAGS="-mfpu=neon"10:42
rcgah, right, will give it a try :)10:42
rcgwould be really cool if that thing builds properly... i mean i already got some kind of build but it's missing quite some bits because my first shot was to remove all this neon specific stuff10:43
rcgthx Stskeeps :)10:44
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rcggreat, looks much better now :)11:01
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lbtntp is a PoS11:11
vgradeCosmoHill: thanks11:13
vgrademorning all11:13
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lbthey vgrade11:58
CosmoHillanyone know how to make a git commit but set the date?12:09
CosmoHilli.e. i forgot to commit on the day12:09
lbtgit commit --date12:11
lbtGIT_COMMITTER_DATE12:11
CosmoHillgrr, I did that and it ignored the date i typed12:13
lbtman git commit12:13
CosmoHillgit commit -m "foobar" --date 2012101712:14
CosmoHillah wrong format12:15
CosmoHillgit commit --amend --date="Wed 17 Oct 2012 21:30:00 BST"12:18
CosmoHillthanks :)12:18
lbtnp12:19
lbtfirst time I hit that problem I found and ported a library that intercepted the system time lookup and used LD_PRELOAD to make git think it was running 10 years ago12:20
lbtI really shoulda RTFM *g*12:20
CosmoHilleep12:20
lbtto be fair I'm not sure it was in the manual (or even possible?) at the time I did it12:21
CosmoHillthat's crazy12:21
CosmoHillcouldn't you just quickly change the system date, do the commit and change it back or run ntp update?12:22
lbtew ... hacky12:22
CosmoHilllol12:22
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CosmoHillspeaking of hacky, got a IE7 issue12:25
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vgradelbt: morning12:34
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CosmoHillI checked to see if a string was empty12:53
CosmoHillbut the string would never be empty because it's hashed before the test12:53
yuntalbt: are there no sb2 toolchains for 486/586 available as patterns ?12:58
lbtnot yet12:58
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lbtStskeeps: ^^ makes it hard to have a nemo i586 rootfs to be used as a build target - will it get into next weeks Core?13:00
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dm8tbrCosmoHill: check against the hash of an empty string? *duck* *run*13:02
Stskeepslbt: there's a blocker i need to figure out when i haven't had a restless night13:03
Stskeepsand yes, i totally agree13:03
Stskeepsit won't be part of next week's core, but pretty soon after13:03
lbtOK - bounce it around tomorrow maybe?13:03
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Stskeepsperhaps yes13:03
lbtOk .. i'm migrating phost4 atm13:03
dm8tbrbtw: anyone here going to the linaro or ubuntu events this week in CPH?13:04
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kulvexvimagesink almost works with qmlgallery. There are some wrong colors on the top of the video but otherwise it plays nicely even in the composited  thumbnail view13:13
Stskeepscool13:15
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kulveI think the decoder rounds the size up to next 16 pixels and that might confuse something, because there's extra 8 pixels compared to original size (with this particular video)13:17
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faenilkulve, I got hw acc video working 1-2 months ago13:20
faenilI don't remember having wrong colours :/13:20
kulveI have it "working" as well13:20
Stskeepsfaenil: different hw :)13:20
faenilStskeeps, oh, sorry haven't read the backlog :)13:21
yuntalbt: do you build sdk vm kernel locally, or on obs only?13:21
lbtboth13:21
kulveone of the sinks implement GstXOverlay and that plays nicely with the qmlgallery but I can't quit it nor unmaximise it13:21
yuntalbt: and locally how? on 486 host?13:21
lbtplatform SDK :)13:21
Stskeepsplatform sdk has i486 gcc13:22
Stskeepsnon-crosscompile edition though13:22
yuntaif I use normal (non-vm) sdk on 64 bit machine, does it do 32-bit chroot?13:24
kulvethat sink does handle XEvents by default. I wonder if it that's a bad choice..13:24
lbtyunta: yes13:24
yuntathx13:24
lbtyunta: FYI there's a newer 3.6 kernel in iamer's home13:25
yuntahm, he has 2 pkgs there  kernel-adaptation-pc and kernel-adaptation-vm-x86. are we planning to use the second one later?13:28
lbtnot sure about that - could be a link with an alternate config13:33
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yuntauh13:33
phaeronyunta: use -adaptation-pc13:39
phaeronthe other one is more minimal and has things like builtin kernel dhcp cline13:39
phaeron*client13:39
phaeronif my kernel-adaptation-pc works ok for you I can promote it. If there are missing configs tell me to add it13:40
phaeronvirtualbox is also copied to my home but doesn't build (lbt has maintainer there too)13:40
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lbtsorry guys I'm busy kicking the crap out of some damned phosts13:41
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yuntaphaeron: ok, I'll check it13:44
phaeronlbt: any pointers on how to fix virtualbox ?13:45
lbtyeah - it has a hardcoded assumption in the spec about kernel source location13:45
lbttrivial fix13:45
lbtguess who didn't want to spend 5 hours on migrating crap to suse 12.213:46
phaeronlbt: adam ?13:46
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lbtme13:46
phaeronah13:46
lbtbtw phaeron could you do a 12.2 target on cobs please13:46
phaeronlbt: I will (what do we gain?)13:47
lbtmer infra packages13:47
lbtand soon OBS13:47
kulveStskeeps: too many sinks to try. nvxvimagesink seems to work perfectly (i.e. tried twice) with qmlgallery13:47
kulveboth in application view and in the composited thumbnail view13:47
lbtcould you make a note of the steps for me too13:47
phaeronlbt: did you try using the 12.1 packages ?13:47
lbtI am for now13:47
lbtit's 'soon', not 'now'13:48
phaeronlbt: it's already documented sec13:48
phaeronlbt: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/OBS_projects_setup13:48
phaeronlbt: very easy btw13:48
lbtk13:49
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lbtthere's a reason we use DNS13:53
phaeronis that for me ? :D13:57
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lbtno, me making a stupid mistake14:06
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Stskeepsmorning JohnMore14:20
JohnMoremorning14:21
Bostik*buurrrppp*14:21
Bostikate a good serving of särä, and now looking for a small cognac..14:22
Bostik(think "slow-roast mutton")14:25
lbtnice14:25
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yuntalbt: another problem with (retarded smb) shared build dir: no mmap14:29
yuntaCould not mmap file: vmlinux14:29
yuntamake: *** [vmlinux] Error 114:29
Stskeepsaren't we doing an application sdk and not a full scale able-to-build kernel one..?14:31
lbtwell, he's using the VM SDK for some reason14:31
lbtbut it's good to know14:31
yuntawell, I have sdk also on host, but I like the idea of sdk vm, so wanted to try it out14:32
lbtsure, that's allowed :)14:32
lbtyunta: we'll add that to known limitations14:36
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CosmoHilldo you guys use any programs to store bits of code you use a lot?15:07
* Stskeeps hugs his opensolaris-running 4tb file server15:09
Stskeeps:P15:09
CosmoHillooo, I want a 4tb server15:11
AardCosmoHill: bad choice, not enough space :/15:15
CosmoHillwhat do you have then?15:15
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Aard3tb in server, 2tb external, and a few tb swapped out on LTO15:16
CosmoHillI have 500GB (2 x 500GB in RAID 1) and 200GB15:17
Aard:)15:18
Aardnotebook alone has 1tb (+1tb in docking station), and I'm desperately waiting for 2.5" drives >1tb15:19
CosmoHillyou have a lot of stuff15:19
Aardit accumulates rather quickly. keep a few kernel build directies around and you're already in the 10th of gigabytes15:21
* lbt looks behind him at the 6Tb raid5, the 1Tb mirror, the 2Tb mirror the 3-way 2Tb backups mirror, at the 2Tb mirror in his desktop15:22
lbtthe 3 spare 1Tb drives15:22
lbtalso the stack of SATA drives <500Gb that he couldn't give away15:23
lbtstorage sucks15:23
CosmoHillI don't want to spend £80 for a 2TB hard drive15:24
Aardlbt: remind me again what you had there15:25
lbtMythTV15:25
Aardno, on drives you want to get rid off15:25
CosmoHillhttp://stats.cosmo1847.co.uk15:25
lbt160 80 3x25015:26
CosmoHillI have a 8GB Seagate from 199815:27
CosmoHillone of the pins has been replaced with a paper clip that you stab yourself on when you try to plug it in15:27
lbtand probably more in old server chassis15:28
* Aard is thinking, but I can't come up for a good use of 3.5" versions of drives that slow15:28
Aards/slow/small/15:29
CosmoHill5900rpm slow?15:29
lbtnop, and too power hungry to be useful15:29
CosmoHilloh i see15:29
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CosmoHillwhat's the spec of the rest of the server, cpu + ram?15:30
Aardlbt: well, I don't care about 'too power hungry', the server is a dual ultrasparc IIIi :)15:31
lbthehe15:31
lbtisn't that PATA ?15:31
Aardsparc? mostly scsi15:31
CosmoHillAard: ah you bitch, I have a UltraSPARC IIe with PATA15:32
CosmoHillnot been used in ages15:32
AardCosmoHill: I have more than 10 64bit sparc boxes sitting here, and a handful of 32bit things15:32
CosmoHillwhat's the most powerful one you don't use?15:32
CosmoHillwait, 32bit? that's early to mid 90s or older15:33
Aardlbt: the lsi mpt sas controllers can be flashed with openboot firmware, which allows me booting that thing from a 500gb sata mirror :)15:33
AardCosmoHill: yep, good old lunchboxes, and a sparcstation voyager15:33
CosmoHillI have a HP Pizzabox15:34
AardI have one ultra 1000 I currently don't use much, need to get the ram upgrade working15:34
lbtmmm my Suse machine is talking german at me15:34
Aardrecently upgraded it to 1.28 ghz (not officially supported, but there are servers using the same cpu modules)15:34
CosmoHilloooo15:34
CosmoHillmine is 550mhz15:34
CosmoHillyou're in england aren't you?15:35
Aardfinland15:35
CosmoHillballs15:35
CosmoHillbtw, my current server is a 2.8Ghz P4 with 3GB DDR ram15:35
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AardI threw away most of my intel hardware when I left germany 2009, only kept the interesting (i.e, mostly really old intel, or alpha, sparc, ppc) bits. threw away around 30 complete computers and lot's of small parts back then15:40
CosmoHillwow15:41
CosmoHilldid you show me a picture of your room one time and it was full of computers, even on the bed15:41
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Aardmight be15:41
CosmoHillyou slept iwth a keyboard and other stuff?15:41
Aardsometimes I removed it before sleeping :p15:42
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* CosmoHill starts plotting15:49
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CosmoHillwould anyone in  here be interested in an online code snippet repository?15:53
CosmoHillno?15:59
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lbtso ... mount.nfs: access denied by server while mounting ...16:17
lbtyou'd think the server could be arsed to log why wouldn't you16:17
dm8tbrpsh, the server laughs at your puny wishes16:18
lbtsuse sucks16:18
dm8tbrIsn't this a NFS inherent limitation?16:18
lbtwhat? no logging?16:19
dm8tbrrefusing mount access without reason16:19
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CosmoHillstarted working on a new project, so far I've just about managed to set up a git repo i can share between computers16:44
CosmoHilltaken me 7 placebo songs16:44
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Aardwhat's the tricky bit about setting up a git repo?16:47
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CosmoHillI've used git before16:48
CosmoHillbut i've not set up a bare repo before that i can push too16:48
CosmoHillalso git is in difference places on each machine >.<16:48
Aardgit init --bare? that was hard :p16:48
CosmoHillso far I've done very little planning, set up git and enabled php on my mac16:52
CosmoHilland now the colours on the new machine is bugging me16:55
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Stskeepshello laak117:35
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Stskeepsthat moment when you realize you've been debugging against the wrong kernel for 2 hours18:47
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ljpdoh19:27
ljpwhats the state of mer on the n9? any better than n900?19:27
Stskeepsdepends on what your gripe on n900 was :)19:27
ljpmainly the battery19:28
Stskeepsas in battery indicator?19:28
ljpas in my n900 seems to have no power management19:29
ljpdoesnt charge when pluggin into usb19:29
ljpplugged19:29
Stskeepsthat should really work19:29
Stskeepsps aux | grep bme19:29
Stskeepsof course if you are using more power than it can give..19:29
ljpI woudl assume that overnight it should not discharge completely when plugged in19:30
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Stskeepsthat it definately shouldn't19:31
Aardyou're sure your usb connector is working? :)19:31
Stskeepsthat's another good point19:31
Stskeepsn900 is .. weak like that19:31
ljpyes19:31
ljpunless the thing turns off charging when ssh'd into it19:31
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ljpsame connector charges other phones :)19:32
ljpunless there is hardware malfunction on this n90019:33
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Stskeepsin other news: qt5 cinematic experience on top of libhybris19:44
Stskeeps30fps, wonder if there's a double buffering somewhere19:44
Stskeepslooks smooth to me19:44
phaeronStskeeps: what is cinematic experience19:46
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Stskeepssearch for qt5 cinematic experience19:56
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book123ok, I am looking for a super low power linux device with screen min 800x600. I think I just found it. A recent "bookeen cybook" E-Reader. It is low power, but seems to have touch screen, wlan, bluetooth, microsd slot. the best thing, it already runs linux. the problem?.....19:57
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book123while it seems, they actually provide GPL code, it's behind a user login. no Idea what quality it is.19:58
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book123someone interested in buying a "cybook-orizon" or registering at bookin for the code? http://www.bookeen.com/en/support_download?idPart=320:01
book123I am low on money and can't go buying a "non-linux" friendly device, and I hate registering somewhere.20:03
phaeronStskeeps: I wonder why settop boxes are crappy ... :D20:03
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book123found a review: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPY5n3xwcko&feature=relmfu20:09
book123oops handson20:10
book123http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwtHvOE5Gpw&feature=related20:12
Stskeepsbook123: there's open distros for ereaders, go see what they recoommend20:13
book123Stskeeps: I looked aready, most project seems dead. I came here because that one I mentioned before is basicaly a multi-touch tablet with wlan, bluetooth, microsd-reader and (maybe) ok GPL source. such a device must be interessting for some people here. it is for me, i think.20:17
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rcganyone already encountered: "..  is intended for a different architecture" when trying to setup a new target in the mer sdk?20:31
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yuntaphaeron: I've installed your kernel, happily ignoring grubby failure, and my vm doesn't boot any more :D21:16
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phaeronyunta: https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17921:29
MerbotNemo bug 179 in x86-generic "Device doesn't boot after kernel update" [Normal,New]21:29
phaeronyunta: symlink /boot/vmlinuz to /boot/extlinux/vmlinuz21:29
phaeronor similar21:29
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phaeronyunta: you can mount the vbox vdi using qemu-nbd21:32
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phaeronhi21:37
CosmoHillhey21:37
phaeronho21:37
phaeron:D21:37
CosmoHillnah I'm good21:37
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CosmoHillnight night / slaapwel22:15
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vgrademaui packaging status , https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?project=home%3Avgrade%3Amaui22:43
vgradeneed to patch qtbase with upstream commit to go further22:45
vgradelbt, git-pkg working well but still having to upload tarballs22:47
lbtyes; I've just not written that part yet22:48
lbtdoes it make sense to you then ?22:48
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yuntafck, ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host23:03
yuntaon second vm sdk server23:04
vgradelbt, so far so good23:04
lbtyunta: you're running 2 VMs?23:05
yuntanot at the same time23:05
yuntadifferent port also23:05
vgradelbt, I would like to do an update to the commit id23:05
yuntaany quick fix before I start painful ssh conn debugging ?23:05
vgradelbt. see how that works23:06
lbtvgrade: OK - need help?23:06
vgradelbt: ie update a package with new content23:07
vgradelbt, I think you cover it in docs23:07
lbtyunta: not casually - pastie full msg23:08
vgradelbt, stuck on one of the packages atm but once I have that sorted I can continue with updating23:08
lbtvgrade: essentially the _src file says "use the git mechanism to make this tarball using this sha1/tag; then if there's another sha1/tag, make a patch set"23:08
vgradelbt, ok23:10
lbtso typically to do a 2nd release in a controlled manner you edit the yaml/spec; possibly change the sha1 (assuming upstream code changes) or possible change the patch sha1 (assuming additional local patches)23:10
vgradelbt: upstream is moving fast so there should be opportunity to test23:11
lbtOK23:11
vgradelbt: am I right in thinking when i've done the git commit -s at the end that the yaml, spec and _src changes are only stored on my local machine?23:13
lbtmmm, yes23:14
lbtuntil you push the pkg-mer branch somewhere23:14
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lbtwhich you can do to github - and still maintain git merge compatibility with upstream23:15
vgradebut on the OBS as well23:15
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lbtOK, so the *goal* is that you'd push the _src file and a _service file to OBS23:16
vgradeso I need some instruction on doing that puch23:16
lbtthe _service file says "go to this github repo"23:16
vgradegot it23:16
lbtgit push github pkg-mer23:16
lbt:)23:16
lbts/github/origin/23:16
lbtwe don't put the _service file in git since it could be gitorious or even an internal company clone23:17
vgradedoes it need to be a githib repo or any git repo?23:18
lbtany23:18
lbtand, to be clear that's the bit I've not written23:20
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vgradelbt, nod23:23
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lbtit really shouldn't hold you back - the service will do *exactly* the same as rm *; git checkout -f pkg-mer; gp_mkpkg; osc ar; osc ci23:24
lbtie clean up; checkout spec/yaml etc from git; prepare a tarball/patches; send to OBS23:25
lbtOK *exactly* is stretching it 'cos  it needs to change the spec/yaml to update patch sets I guess :)23:25
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