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| Bostik | lbt: you're right, and I think I know why - gold linker use has to be separately enabled for gcc; I'll try one more hack and then see what happens with a privately built gcc | 04:13 |
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| Stskeeps | Bostik: ugh, really no way to individually say "use this ld" ? | 05:09 |
| Bostik | Stskeeps: not in gcc 4.6, it seems but I'm looking at how to hack it | 05:10 |
| Bostik | especially as "nice" linker selection seems to depend on which build options have been available in the first place | 05:11 |
| Stskeeps | nice linker selection can be done in gcc, as long as you can switch on ld/gold on runtime.. i hope | 05:11 |
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| Bostik | hmm... I think I might be able to trick the build... | 05:18 |
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| rcg | hi ccssnet | 06:35 |
| niqt | moring all | 06:42 |
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| rcg | morning niqt :) | 06:48 |
| Bostik | jumpin' jesus on a pogostick, qtwebkit is too large even for gold linker(!) | 06:51 |
| Bostik | copied /usr/bin/ld.gold to /tmp/gold/ld, prepended PATH, and get... "/tmp/gold/ld: out of memory" | 06:52 |
| Stskeeps | wtf :P | 06:52 |
| Bostik | quite | 06:52 |
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| Stskeeps | --no-keep-memory in use? | 06:53 |
| Bostik | aye | 06:54 |
| Bostik | although for gold that's a no-op and only accepted to keep compatibility with regular ld | 06:55 |
| Stskeeps | what happens if you do --hash-style=sysv ? | 06:55 |
| Stskeeps | we use gnu for sanity purposes but i'm on occasion not sure if anybody.. actually.. tests the innovations they make | 06:55 |
| Stskeeps | lately i've run into DWARF-4 causing really bizarre linking issues | 06:55 |
| Bostik | Stskeeps: I'm not sure anyone really tests with targets where int32 becomes a problem :) | 06:56 |
| Bostik | but I'll try with that option too | 06:57 |
| Stskeeps | i bet it's a conspiracy | 06:57 |
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| Bostik | what other projects really hit that? webkit, chromium, gecko, ... oracle perhaps in-house? | 06:58 |
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| henrik__ | lbt: you did some magic with packaging. Cool | 07:03 |
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| lbt | aportale: seen auri? | 09:30 |
| aportale | lbt: He's on spontaneous vacation, today :) | 09:31 |
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| lbt | aportale: OK - do you know if he's pushed anything anywhere? | 09:31 |
| lbt | I was planning on syncing git and running through where we're up to | 09:31 |
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| lbt | henrik__: ping | 09:32 |
| aportale | lbt: That's the repo/branch http://qt.gitorious.org/+mer-qt-creator/qt-creator/mer-qt-creator/commits/mer . He committed an initial settings Ui for mer target handling and ssh key selection. | 09:33 |
| lbt | that was it - ty | 09:34 |
| aportale | lbt: Can we use the mer logo in Qt Creator? The option page still needs an icon. | 09:35 |
| lbt | yes | 09:35 |
| lbt | I have svg's too | 09:35 |
| lbt | erm https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Artwork is looking empty | 09:36 |
| aportale | lbt: And tis one looks a bit.. white: http://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Mer_logo_svg.svg :) | 09:38 |
| lbt | it's so pure | 09:38 |
| lbt | but it really is the logo | 09:38 |
| aportale | lbt: Ah. against a non-white background it becomes visible. Looks nice indeed. | 09:40 |
| aportale | lbt: That's just what we need for an icon. We can still change it later, of course. | 09:41 |
| henrik__ | lbt: pong | 09:41 |
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| lbt | henrik__: so lets see about pushing the web admin side forward today and maybe doing an image with it? | 09:44 |
| yunta | lbt: do we need hostname changing in sb2_manage? | 09:45 |
| henrik__ | lbt: i'll send pull req for sdk-app | 09:45 |
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| lbt | henrik__: do you want to maintain it? | 09:45 |
| henrik__ | lbt: why not | 09:46 |
| lbt | yunta: I wondered that - not yet | 09:46 |
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| lbt | henrik__: I'll explain how to do gitpkg when you need to | 09:46 |
| henrik__ | lbt: thanks. how about update targets? | 09:47 |
| henrik__ | there was some discussion with yunta about that | 09:47 |
| lbt | yep, comment out that function for now | 09:47 |
| lbt | we'll do remove/re-download | 09:47 |
| henrik__ | ok | 09:48 |
| lbt | aportale: there's a big background on that page too now - it has an odd artefact - I'll upload a clean one sometime | 09:50 |
| lbt | aportale: so far Mer has always used that blue colour background so it may be useful | 09:51 |
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| lbt | aportale: so looking at the target selection code... | 10:21 |
| lbt | it's checking for bin/qmake which is wrong I think | 10:21 |
| aportale | lbt: Are you in the mer plugin? | 10:23 |
| lbt | yes | 10:23 |
| * aportale looks at patch | 10:24 | |
| lbt | src/plugins/mer/targetoptionspage.cpp | 10:24 |
| lbt | QFileInfo qmake = QFileInfo(targetDir, QLatin1String("bin/qmake")); | 10:24 |
| aportale | lbt: I assume that is the "fake qmake". | 10:25 |
| lbt | no | 10:25 |
| lbt | wrong window :) | 10:25 |
| lbt | but, no, it's not supposed to be there - that could be just a sysroot with just headers/qml | 10:26 |
| aportale | lbt: I thought we moved away from that idea and are now presenting Qt Creator the complete target. | 10:27 |
| lbt | mmm | 10:28 |
| aportale | lbt: The idea is that a "fake qmake" (shell script) needs to be copied into the mer target, so that Qt Creator uses that one in order to detect the Qt Version | 10:28 |
| lbt | that wasn't my understanding | 10:28 |
| lbt | OK | 10:28 |
| lbt | so that fake qmake is managed by sb2 | 10:28 |
| lbt | the shell is shipped with qt creator | 10:28 |
| lbt | wrapper, sorry | 10:29 |
| * Bostik officially hates gcc/ld option interactions | 10:29 | |
| lbt | so it's not in the target | 10:29 |
| yunta | lbt: I've sent pull request your way. | 10:29 |
| lbt | ty yunta | 10:30 |
| aportale | lbt: The magic: Qt creator let's the user select a Mer target and copies the fake qmake into it. In the same step, the Qt version is created. | 10:30 |
| lbt | why copy the 1liner? | 10:30 |
| lbt | seems odd | 10:30 |
| lbt | and you do not want to think there are binaries in the sysroot | 10:30 |
| lbt | there aren't | 10:30 |
| lbt | they are hidden in the vm | 10:31 |
| lbt | under sb2 | 10:31 |
| aportale | lbt: It is more than that 1-liner. It echos out a few lines wit hpaths. | 10:31 |
| lbt | mmm | 10:31 |
| lbt | it issues an ssh command to VM to do sb2 qmake --query ? | 10:31 |
| aportale | lbt: are the libs (e.g. qtcore.so) not in the target? | 10:31 |
| lbt | aportale: yes | 10:33 |
| aportale | lbt: Ideally, it would not need to use ssh. We don't want to requrire the user to have the VM running before starting Qt Creator | 10:33 |
| aportale | lbt: So Yes means they are not threre. | 10:33 |
| aportale | hmm | 10:33 |
| lbt | the libs happen to be in the sysroot - but I thought we didn't need them. Just proper access to all headers and QML | 10:34 |
| aportale | lbt: we need qtcore.so in order to detect the architecture | 10:35 |
| aportale | lbt: We actually just need the first few bytes of it | 10:35 |
| lbt | aportale: OK, that's new :) | 10:35 |
| aportale | lbt: Now, I ned to understand the following: Do you intend to habe the targets | 10:36 |
| aportale | oops | 10:36 |
| aportale | lbt: ...have the targets on the host? | 10:36 |
| lbt | I'm not sure it's a problem tbh | 10:36 |
| lbt | seeing the .so | 10:36 |
| lbt | I was looking further ahead to windows/mac | 10:36 |
| lbt | where we may extract the minimal data from sysroot | 10:37 |
| aportale | lbt: Aurindam understood that therefore, You would not want to have the stripped down sysroot, | 10:37 |
| lbt | I wanted that to be headers/qml only | 10:37 |
| lbt | right - so for current shared folder/linux work - we share a dir | 10:37 |
| aportale | lbt: Ok. You want both. Aurindam thought you just want the full target | 10:37 |
| lbt | but we discussed places this may fail and we'd fall back to extract | 10:38 |
| lbt | so phase 1 is full target | 10:38 |
| aportale | lbt: Do you see reasons for it to fail on Windows? | 10:38 |
| lbt | it's windows | 10:38 |
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| lbt | we've discussed using non-vbox solutions too | 10:39 |
| aportale | lbt: What makes it fail on windows? The file system? | 10:39 |
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| lbt | let me put it this way - I'm covering our options for the time being | 10:39 |
| lbt | so not making assumptions now that we regret later | 10:40 |
| lbt | I expect something to go wrong there and want to make an alternative as easy as possible | 10:40 |
| aportale | lbt: Most likely we will have to keep the targets in the VM for Windows. | 10:41 |
| lbt | some things I have a high confidence in - ie an ssh command to the VM is very unlikely to ever fail | 10:41 |
| lbt | aportale: that's a possibility (though I don't think it's a certainty) | 10:41 |
| lbt | so - you did say that the VM may not be running at QtC startup | 10:42 |
| lbt | I think we should assume it is for phase 1 | 10:42 |
| lbt | but I think it's an interesting point that I'd not considered | 10:42 |
| lbt | given you can't build or setup projects without the VM I think we just need to review what happens there during phase 2 development | 10:44 |
| aportale | lbt: Let's discuss this with Aurindam on Monday and choose a feasable path. Aurindam took the "full target instead of sysroot subset" path as a given and started dealing wit hthat. | 10:44 |
| lbt | yep - but I think we may have misunderstood 'full target' | 10:45 |
| lbt | the cross-compile stuff means it's probably not | 10:45 |
| lbt | it has libs but no executables | 10:45 |
| lbt | and if it did they could be arm | 10:45 |
| lbt | so running bin/* doesn't really make sense | 10:46 |
| lbt | it should certainly be considered read-only | 10:46 |
| aportale | lbt: The fake qmake does not need to be in bin/ It could be in the target root | 10:46 |
| aportale | lbt: Just needs to be in a defined location where it does not clash with the target | 10:47 |
| lbt | mmm could it not be in a creator private scripts/ dir ? | 10:47 |
| lbt | I'd prefer that | 10:47 |
| aportale | lbt: we need one per tearget | 10:47 |
| lbt | why? | 10:47 |
| lbt | it's generic | 10:47 |
| lbt | though you mentioned magic before | 10:48 |
| lbt | "Qt creator let's the user select a Mer target and copies the fake qmake into it. In the same step" | 10:48 |
| aportale | lbt: Exaclty. That is solving some chicken-egg problems | 10:48 |
| aportale | lbt: Having the script in the target also implicitly gives us the information about the kit's "sysroot" path | 10:49 |
| lbt | I don't see the qmake in the git tree | 10:49 |
| aportale | lbt: Frankly, this is a hack on top of hacks :) But arent't we all proud hackers? | 10:49 |
| lbt | *g* | 10:50 |
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| lbt | sometimes | 10:50 |
| aportale | lbt: the fake qmake is not there, yet. Aurindams commit is just an initial one | 10:50 |
| lbt | OK - but I think I'd like to see something slightly different | 10:51 |
| lbt | I need to read the code a bit more | 10:51 |
| lbt | this was the first thing to block me :) | 10:51 |
| lbt | aportale: thanks a lot for the discussion btw - we need to do this to ensure we understand what's going on | 10:53 |
| lbt | bad timing for auri - shame he didn't have monday off when the VM wasn't working but that's life eh? | 10:53 |
| aportale | lbt: Aurindam should have taken vacation the whole week before wednesday :) | 10:53 |
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| lbt | yeah - wasn't great | 10:55 |
| aportale | lbt: We need a very clear description about your planned changes to Mer setups. The targets-on-host information did apparently not arrive here 100% correctly. | 10:57 |
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| aportale | lbt: We thought that you uchose that in order to avoid the "partial sysroot extraction" hack. | 10:57 |
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| lbt | aportale: not really, that hasn't changed at all. The shared folders approach just avoids the extract/copy phase. There's no change to what data was planned to be exposed. | 11:00 |
| lbt | I think the problem is that you can now see private data and are using it | 11:01 |
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| aportale | lbt: Private headers and stuff, right? Do they need to be in the target? I would have assumed that they were pimpl'ed out. | 11:03 |
| lbt | no, sorry, not that at all | 11:04 |
| lbt | I meant just because you see the full target root filesystem (including /bin /var/log etc) doens't change the design of using just the info from a minimal sysroot (ie /usr/include/* ) | 11:05 |
| aportale | lbt: Ah. OK. I think we should definitely be able to switch to the minimal sysroot when we have some time ond oxygen. | 11:06 |
| lbt | because later on we may need to go back to minimal sysroot - I don't recall saying we wouldn't | 11:06 |
| lbt | yes - so things like this qmake set off warning bells - that's all | 11:06 |
| lbt | then "oh, we need to see libqt.so" :) | 11:07 |
| lbt | so I'm just spending time now so we don't spend more time later | 11:07 |
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| Jake9xx | seems my history log got purged, what was the command line for mic nowadays to make a vm iamge sudo mic livecd.. ? | 11:08 |
| lbt | nb - I'd also be happy just to document these areas | 11:08 |
| lbt | Jake9xx: I use sudo mic create fs /mer/mer/devel/mer-sdk/nemo-handset-armv7hl-n950-0.20120920.1.NEMO.2012-10-07.1-sysroot.ks --pkgmgr=yum --arch armv7hl -o /srv/mer/targets/nemo_n9 | 11:08 |
| lbt | so mic create help also works | 11:08 |
| Jake9xx | livecd, please - this is a vm image | 11:08 |
| Jake9xx | mic create livecd.. I remember Stskeeps had some params there as well.. | 11:09 |
| lbt | I don't do livecd - just real images | 11:09 |
| lbt | I use raw for SDK VM | 11:09 |
| Jake9xx | lbt: I'm working on the mesa | 11:09 |
| Jake9xx | mesa llvm to be exact | 11:09 |
| lbt | sudo mic create raw /mer/mer/devel/mer-sdk/sdk-kickstarter-configs/kickstarts/mer-sdk-nemo-i486-vm.ks --pkgmgr=yum --arch i486 should work | 11:09 |
| lbt | that boots to vbox | 11:09 |
| Jake9xx | arch i586 ? | 11:09 |
| lbt | no messing about with liveboot/install | 11:10 |
| Bostik | collect2: ld terminated with signal 6 [Aborted] | 11:10 |
| Bostik | terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::bad_alloc' | 11:10 |
| Bostik | *hurts* | 11:10 |
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| * lbt puts an arm round Bostik : there there, it's not that bad really | 11:10 | |
| lbt | Jake9xx: 586 yes if you use atom | 11:11 |
| Jake9xx | lbt: coolio, if you don't specify arch it probes it and is doing i686 now | 11:11 |
| lbt | Jake9xx: yeah, that wont work iirc | 11:11 |
| Jake9xx | lbt: I beg to differ, we'll see | 11:12 |
| lbt | aportale: so listing all the hacks is also OK | 11:12 |
| Jake9xx | trying to get rid of our swrast... | 11:12 |
| aportale | lbt: Yes. I will document them asap. | 11:13 |
| lbt | aportale: can you pastie the qmake script that you're copying into the target? or is it the simple one we've been using? | 11:13 |
| aportale | lbt: It is a more elaborated one, and it is on Aurindam's machine :/ | 11:14 |
| lbt | OK - we've been working on it too and it now works with old creator to build using sb2 | 11:14 |
| lbt | we just added SB2_TARGET env variable to creator | 11:15 |
| aportale | lbt: Nice. | 11:15 |
| lbt | and ensured that passed into a wrapper in Mer SDK and that works fine | 11:15 |
| aportale | lbt: Is that variable set manually in the project settings? | 11:18 |
| lbt | yes | 11:18 |
| henrik__ | lbt: any pointers for the packaging stuff. I did osc copypack (i assume that was right thing to do). i have updated git, how i work with _src. I think i read some instructions somewhere but cannot find it now | 11:19 |
| lbt | henrik__: OK - so you need a tag (or use a branch if it's a WIP) called 0.2 on master | 11:20 |
| lbt | make sure it's clean | 11:21 |
| lbt | then checkout pkg-mer branch and update _src so the last field is 0.2 | 11:21 |
| henrik__ | and the git tree is in place in my working dir (home:...:) | 11:21 |
| lbt | yes | 11:22 |
| lbt | then run gp_mkpkg | 11:22 |
| lbt | you should also edit the yaml to change the version | 11:22 |
| lbt | and add an entry to .changes | 11:22 |
| lbt | run specify to update the spe | 11:23 |
| lbt | c | 11:23 |
| lbt | *then* run gp_mkpkg :) | 11:23 |
| henrik__ | lbt: thanks. | 11:23 |
| lbt | let me know what I got wrong :/ | 11:24 |
| henrik__ | i will :) | 11:24 |
| lbt | https://github.com/lbt/git-pkg for more info | 11:24 |
| henrik__ | that was it :) | 11:24 |
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| Jake9xx | lbt, was there a way to look into the @ package collectiond in ks file? | 11:26 |
| Jake9xx | lbt I need to see where rpm x comes from | 11:27 |
| aportale | lbt: When would the scripts for minimal sysroot extraction be ready? Are you working on them? | 11:27 |
| lbt | aportale: no, phase2 | 11:28 |
| lbt | why do we need them? | 11:28 |
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| lbt | Jake9xx: I look in the repo gzipped xml files or the source | 11:28 |
| lbt | Jake9xx: I'm not aware of any tool to expand them - it would be nice though | 11:31 |
| lbt | I think mic could usefully do that in the log | 11:32 |
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| Jake9xx | lbt: it would. parsing gzipped xml's is nasty :) | 11:57 |
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| vgrade | lbt, https://github.com/lbt/git-pkg looks like it may be of use this weekend | 12:21 |
| Jake9xx | lbt: actually if you make ks with kickstarter, in the beginning of ks you'll find the params | 12:22 |
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| lbt | vgrade: :) I'm glad - let me know which bits need more explaining or need simplifying | 12:31 |
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| vgrade | lbt: I want to package this , https://github.com/hawaii-desktop/hawaii which uses git modules | 12:32 |
| lbt | aagh | 12:32 |
| vgrade | sub-modules that is | 12:32 |
| lbt | it depends how git archive works with them | 12:32 |
| Jake9xx | vgrade: welcome to yaml hell :) | 12:33 |
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| vgrade | Jake9xx: Ive done yaml before but git sub modules are new to me. Seems they allow you to refer to a particular version of an existing external git repo | 12:37 |
| lbt | vgrade: just looking we'd need to do some work in gitpkg to make it 'just work' but it would be do-able | 12:42 |
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| vgrade | lbt, might be some good git training for me (I'm only on git clone page) | 12:45 |
| lbt | well, git-pkg does some interesting things | 12:45 |
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| lbt | aportale: ok so the fake qmakes | 13:11 |
| lbt | your stub one is providing some -query info? | 13:11 |
| aportale | lbt: Yes. It provides the absolute paths on the host, so tha Qt Creator can find headers, libs, etc. | 13:12 |
| aportale | lbt: And if it is not called with "-query", it will call the real qmake (or the wrapper in that case) | 13:12 |
| lbt | so I think I wanted see some kind of generic path manipulation | 13:13 |
| lbt | eg how do you handle errors? | 13:14 |
| lbt | if $HOME/src/myfile/code.cpp has a syntax error in build | 13:14 |
| lbt | doesn't creator need to highlight the 'right' source on the host | 13:14 |
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| lbt | so I'd think that mechanism should handle the query results too | 13:15 |
| aportale | lbt: There are already file path mapping heuristics implemented somewhere in Qt Creator. Could be that they need to be tweaked for the Mer VM case, but this kind of issue is no news. | 13:15 |
| lbt | OK - so should that handle --query ? | 13:16 |
| aportale | lbt: The call of 'qmake -query' happens at the first when Qt Creator enumerates the registered Qt Versions. | 13:17 |
| aportale | lbt: ...or in the moment where the Qt version gets manually added. | 13:18 |
| lbt | and is that prior to the mapping ? | 13:18 |
| aportale | lbt: The mapping happens on the fly when the user clicks on an error message/warning. | 13:18 |
| lbt | OK | 13:19 |
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| aportale | lbt: And the mapping uses the information that had initially be "-queri"ed that first time | 13:19 |
| lbt | OK - so I'd think the value entered for "target sysroot location" is all you need | 13:20 |
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| lbt | and it's easy to do the parse inside the generic wrapper | 13:20 |
| lbt | OK | 13:20 |
| lbt | not parse, substitution | 13:21 |
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| lbt | nb - I was also expecting that to happen in C++ because it needs to run on windows too | 13:22 |
| lbt | so in a bash script seems wrong | 13:23 |
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| lbt | but anyhow... yep, understand that. How does the script get the 2 strings? it needs the sysroot location and it needs the internal path to subst | 13:23 |
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| aportale | lbt: Sorry, I did not your messages till now. WIll answer | 13:31 |
| lbt | :) | 13:32 |
| aportale | lbt: Right, the "fake qmake" might eventually need to be c++ in order to work on Windows. | 13:33 |
| lbt | well handling the reply from the ssh call | 13:35 |
| aportale | lbt: How the script gets the sysroot location? It looks at it's own location assuming that it is in a defined location in the sysroot. If that's what you meant | 13:35 |
| henrik__ | lbt: http://repo.pub.meego.com//home:/henriksa:/mer/ | 13:35 |
| lbt | aportale: so we need to pass that in as well as SB2_TARGET | 13:36 |
| lbt | henrik__: nice | 13:36 |
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| aportale | lbt: Because the fake qmake script/executable will not be in the target, correct? | 13:36 |
| henrik__ | lbt: good instructions. except i managed to make many mistakes while doing it. Next round will be less painfull | 13:37 |
| lbt | ideally (and especially if that's the only reason to put it there :) ) | 13:37 |
| lbt | henrik__: seen https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Building_against_Mer_in_Community_OBS ? | 13:37 |
| henrik__ | lbt: yes. that part was ok for me. the pkg-mer part was where i did all the mistakes | 13:39 |
| aportale | lbt: Hmm. I can understand that you find the script in the target an ungly idea. However, with the SB2_TARGET variable approach, I am not sure if we can set it just before the "-query" call. We will have to modify the Qt Version handling UI and add a environment variable editor for the qmake call. | 13:40 |
| lbt | aportale: maybe it would be good to write down what order things are called in? | 13:41 |
| aportale | lbt: Unfortunately the sysroot is a fiels of a "kit". And the Qt Version (and the -query) is there, before the kit exists. | 13:41 |
| lbt | sequence diagram or similar | 13:41 |
| lbt | I see | 13:42 |
| aportale | lbt: Can do. But in a nutshell: this is the chicken-egg problem. | 13:42 |
| lbt | yep | 13:42 |
| lbt | nb.. if you don't know sysroot, how do you call $sysroot/bin/qmake -query ? | 13:42 |
| lbt | :P | 13:42 |
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| aportale | lbt: With an absolute path to the sysrott specific fake qmake | 13:43 |
| lbt | I guess you have 'sysroot' hardcoded into the qmake path in the Qt version | 13:43 |
| lbt | OK | 13:43 |
| lbt | I have a suggestion | 13:43 |
| aportale | lbt: The qmake which Aurindam planned to plant into Mer Targets | 13:43 |
| lbt | so Mer Target preceds Qt Version ? | 13:44 |
| lbt | because that's a good place to set SB2_TARGET too | 13:44 |
| lbt | it has 'name' 'Location' .. add 'sb2 target name' which defaults to 'name' | 13:45 |
| aportale | lbt: Are you able to keep that in memory till Monday? :) I'd like Aurindam thinking about this, aswell. | 13:47 |
| lbt | sure | 13:47 |
| lbt | I think a sequence diagram is a high prio | 13:48 |
| lbt | if you're around before me (probable) then menton it to auri too | 13:48 |
| lbt | not infinite detail | 13:48 |
| lbt | just the main config and QtC init stuff | 13:48 |
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| aportale | lbt: Sure. And there is already some documentation of how and in which order kits are set up. Done by the fine people at KDAB: www.kdab.com/~nicolas/QtCreator.pdf | 13:53 |
| aportale | lbt: Page 2 | 13:53 |
| lbt | neat - and this is just to stop me making dumb suggestions :) | 13:53 |
| lbt | so where does Mer Target fit in ? | 13:54 |
| lbt | Ideally prior to Compiler | 13:54 |
| lbt | yep - that'd make sense | 13:55 |
| lbt | We could even use that to provide auto-detected compiler and Qt version | 13:56 |
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| aportale | lbt: Yes, the Mer target would resolve the order problems and as-well auto-create all the other settings. | 14:09 |
| lbt | good | 14:09 |
| lbt | Ok, I'll look at the src around there (for fun) | 14:10 |
| aportale | lbt: Aaaand. Actually, I have wage ideas about how to achieve that without injecting scripts into the Mer Targets. But Aurindam has to sanity-check it :) | 14:10 |
| lbt | neat - I think if we follow the data flows we should understand better | 14:10 |
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| jkt | hi there; I'm using some code from the Qt's messaging framework in my application and have found a bug in it | 14:45 |
| jkt | it looks like the upstream at qt.gitorious.org is more or less dead (no commits since this summer) | 14:45 |
| Stskeeps | w00t: ^ , vdvsx | 14:46 |
| jkt | where shall I post the patch? It affects the RFC2047 decoding and is pretty minimal. | 14:46 |
| jkt | The guidelines for contributing refers to OSC setup, which is not really something I'd like to do here :) | 14:47 |
| Stskeeps | would be best to go upstream naturally | 14:47 |
| jkt | yeah, well, "where is the upstream" is the question | 14:47 |
| jkt | I got no definitive answer on #qt-labs | 14:47 |
| Stskeeps | if you come by daytime, try to catch vdvsx | 14:48 |
| jkt | Stskeeps: which TZ is he in? | 14:48 |
| Stskeeps | finnish | 14:48 |
| jkt | I realize that it's Friday, but it's only 16:48 here (and there) :) | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. :P | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | 17:48 to be exact, so maybe he's on tonight | 14:50 |
| jkt | anyway, http://gitorious.org/trojita/trojita/commit/497ccc6a667273c1eafda0aae224c49b640f2f13 is the patch (should apply to qmf's src/libraries/qmfclient/qmailmessage.cpp) and http://gitorious.org/trojita/trojita/commit/81c2aaa3662095ef9c0b33a799c21e953456dd5f has some unit tests | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | jkt, i think there was also work to move qmf to gerrit, but unsure how that's going | 14:51 |
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| Stskeeps | alright | 14:51 |
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| jkt | Stskeeps: okay, I'll try to stay around for a while | 14:51 |
| jkt | Stskeeps: would that be qt-proj's gerrit, or something mer-specific? | 14:52 |
| Stskeeps | qt proj | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | we try to work upstream as we can but sometimes backports are needed | 14:53 |
| jkt | ack | 14:54 |
| jkt | thanks for the information | 14:54 |
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| Stskeeps | np | 14:55 |
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| Stskeeps | VDVsx: jkt has a qmf patch, could you help him find proper upstream/review etc? | 14:58 |
| lbt | jkt: it's worth posting to the mer-general mailing list too | 14:58 |
| lbt | that way it's around if we need to pull it to a carried patch | 14:58 |
| jkt | lbt: I understand the point, but I'd prefer not to get too much involved at this point (subscribing to a mailbox and such); I've simply found a bug, patched it locally and want to report it to $upstream | 15:00 |
| jkt | I don't have time to get involved with Mer at this point, sadly | 15:00 |
| jkt | VDVsx: http://gitorious.org/trojita/trojita/commit/497ccc6a667273c1eafda0aae224c49b640f2f13, test case at http://gitorious.org/trojita/trojita/commit/81c2aaa3662095ef9c0b33a799c21e953456dd5f | 15:00 |
| lbt | ok, np - we have the gitorious patch | 15:00 |
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| jkt | VDVsx: the patch has to be hand-applied to src/libraries/qmfclient/qmailmessage.cpp | 15:01 |
| jkt | the best way would be to extract these low-level bits out from that monster file, IMHO | 15:01 |
| jkt | so that we can share patches and bugfixes more easily | 15:01 |
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| VDVsx | jkt, why hand-applied ? looks quite small to me | 15:02 |
| jkt | VDVsx: it's a different file with a different white spacing, sadly | 15:03 |
| VDVsx | jkt, qmf upstream is currently moving to gerrit and is not possible to make merge request in gitorious | 15:03 |
| VDVsx | so we have to wait, I can take care of it for mer only | 15:03 |
| jkt | VDVsx: shall I talk to Don Sanders, or is he completely out now? | 15:04 |
| VDVsx | jkt, well, I had the same rights as Don, so I guess he can't do much anymore as well | 15:04 |
| jkt | well, I remember his name because he blogged about QMF and we've exchanged a few mails some time ago, that's why I'm asking | 15:05 |
| VDVsx | jkt, we also left Nokia, QMF code is now maintained by digia | 15:06 |
| VDVsx | he | 15:06 |
| VDVsx | jkt, where is your bug tracker, to have a look to the bug referred there (#553) | 15:07 |
| VDVsx | ? | 15:07 |
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| jkt | VDVsx: https://projects.flaska.net/issues/553 | 15:10 |
| jkt | ah, and to be a bit more on topic here, the application's got a QML interface using Harmattan's components | 15:10 |
| jkt | CONFIG+=harmattan for qmake | 15:11 |
| jkt | hmm, sanders@kde.org redirects to his Nokia e-mail address | 15:11 |
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| jkt | I don't have plans to install Mer on my N950, but if someone is interested in packaging or giving it a try, please feel free to play with it a bit | 15:13 |
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| phaeron | I think someone already mentioned doing so in #nemomobile | 15:13 |
| phaeron | rcg | 15:14 |
| VDVsx | jkt, humm, I think I already saw this bug before, probably some patch got lost somewhere, have to take a look | 15:14 |
| VDVsx | jkt, this is qmf upstream right ? | 15:14 |
| VDVsx | the one from gitourious | 15:14 |
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| phaeron | jkt: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=trojita&project=home:wonko | 15:15 |
| phaeron | but it was rcg who talked about it , but not sure if they are the same | 15:15 |
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| jkt | phaeron: well, someone sent me a patch for building via MeeGo's OBS, but it was rather crude and unconditionally disabled the desktop builds | 15:18 |
| jkt | VDVsx: the code in Trojita comes from QMF on Gitorious, yep | 15:19 |
| VDVsx | jkt, btw how you handle accounts in your app, via qmf as well ? | 15:20 |
| jkt | VDVsx: I have a standalone IMAP implementation; the only 3rd party code I ship is low-level stuff like decoding of IMAP's modified utf7, or RFC2047 processing | 15:21 |
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| jkt | VDVsx: it supports just a single account for now | 15:22 |
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| jkt | VDVsx: it's using Qt's tree models rather heavily, along with lazy loading and stuff like that, so it feel pretty fast on reasonable IMAP servers | 15:22 |
| VDVsx | soon qmf in mer will have support for accounts-qt, can also be an option for you in the future | 15:22 |
| jkt | it has support for ESEARCH, QRESYNC and what not | 15:22 |
| jkt | VDVsx: I'll see if it's usable on desktop | 15:23 |
| VDVsx | jkt, yes, it is | 15:24 |
| VDVsx | already on ubuntu | 15:24 |
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| VDVsx | maybe in others didn't check | 15:24 |
| jkt | VDVsx: but I suspect it would be of a limited functionality because Trojita can use weird things like connect to the IMAP server via QProcess (so that you can set up the SSH keys along ssg-agent and let your MUA launch a QProcess doing `ssh foo dovecot --exec-mail imap` etc) | 15:25 |
| * VDVsx kicks mikhas :P | 15:25 | |
| VDVsx | jkt, in that case, I think will limit you a bit | 15:25 |
| mikhas | ouch, that hurt! | 15:26 |
| * mikhas gets beer | 15:26 | |
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| mikhas | VDVsx, next time you go to Pt (in 2013 or so), you should tell me beforehand, I havent been there in 13 years now | 15:34 |
| mikhas | time to visit your home country again! | 15:34 |
| VDVsx | mikhas, im going now in Christmas time, then not sure when again :) | 15:35 |
| VDVsx | there's a big conference there next month, I think cybette has there last year, but not sure what are the topics this year | 15:36 |
| VDVsx | s/has/was | 15:36 |
| kallecarl | lbt: ping | 15:41 |
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| sledges | do you know any good Intel Atom dev board (sized like pandaboard?) | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | well, the old dcfl2something weren't bad | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | but maybe a bit bigger | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | than pb | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | didn't they have superMUC or something? | 16:33 |
| kallecarl | w00t: any progress on the presentation for Qt Dev Days? | 16:34 |
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| sledges | dcfl does not yield in google :{ | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | aren't there some good IVI boards? | 16:40 |
| sledges | Congatex is not anymore maintained :( | 16:40 |
| sledges | Congatec | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | https://wiki.tizen.org/wiki/IVI/IVI_Platforms | 16:40 |
| sledges | also "cheap" would be nice :D | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | welcome to the world of device making.. | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | situation i've been in, hello, here's a board, costs 200.000 eur | 16:41 |
| Stskeeps | or some similarly ridicolous number | 16:41 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:41 |
| Stskeeps | my omapzoom2 was like 2k usd | 16:42 |
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| Stskeeps | evening plfiorini, vgrade | 16:42 |
| plfiorini | hello | 16:42 |
| vgrade | hi Stskeeps | 16:42 |
| vgrade | plfiorini: hey | 16:42 |
| plfiorini | hi vgrade | 16:43 |
| vgrade | planning to package hawaii this weekend | 16:43 |
| sledges | ouch, they start from $999, same with tegra. I mean, still, mostly ARMs look cheap: iMX, Bb, Pb, RPi | 16:45 |
| vgrade | and may be look at some older hardware | 16:45 |
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| vgrade | hi sledges , still on the MeeGo UX | 16:46 |
| sledges | :D hey vgrade, no, fought enough for Mer, it looks like boss is giving it a chance, hey hey hey! with ArCon-IVI upfront ;) | 16:46 |
| * Stskeeps thinks anybody with the existing middleware for ivi could do a sane UI for one with lipstick | 16:46 | |
| * sledges has just actually won another fight - vs Tizen this time :) | 16:47 | |
| vgrade | sledges: nice work | 16:47 |
| sledges | thanks, and not even one LOC :) | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | yocto's growing up nicely, happy to see that | 16:48 |
| sledges | can it embrace Mer(& Co.) soon? | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | yocto's is it's own breed | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | and covers some areas mer really doesn't want to touch | 16:49 |
| kallecarl | anyone know the whereabouts of w00t? | 16:50 |
| sledges | ųopenembedded | 16:51 |
| sledges | is what it embraces i assume | 16:51 |
| sledges | a beast that yocto's tamed | 16:51 |
| vgrade | sledges: Intel have some nice IVI boards, don't know pricing though | 16:51 |
| sledges | still probably won't beat pandaboard with price, vgrade | 16:52 |
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| sledges | and if we find an Intel based board, then my boss will go ahead with Tizen :D so ssssh :) | 16:52 |
| vgrade | this for production or just devel | 16:53 |
| sledges | devel/POC | 16:53 |
| sledges | so might enter production if succeeds | 16:53 |
| sledges | (well, a low volume, or just the idea will be sold, no HW involved further) | 16:53 |
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| vgrade | ok | 16:59 |
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| Bostik | hahaaa! qtwebkit, submit before your master! | 17:30 |
| Bostik | got the library finally linked, now it's just a matter of finetuning the rest with a 25kg sledgehammer | 17:31 |
| lbt | Bostik: WAAAAYYYYHAAAAAAYYYYY | 17:31 |
| lbt | seriously good stuff :D | 17:32 |
| Bostik | when we meet face to face, someone owes me a beer ... or ten | 17:32 |
| lbt | so.... gory details? | 17:32 |
| lbt | oh yes | 17:32 |
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| Bostik | gory details? I took a *very* good look at the failing linker invocation and noticed that there was ONE item I could still drop - WebKit2, the split-process plugin architecture section | 17:33 |
| Bostik | I realised that library alone must contain a good number of similar symbols as the rest of library and took it out on a desperate whim | 17:34 |
| lbt | OK, yes | 17:34 |
| lbt | so, how do we deal with this moving fwd? | 17:34 |
| Bostik | non-debug object files, no WebKit2, gold linker and heavily stripped components... it fits into 32-bit linker | 17:34 |
| Bostik | eventually we will need a 64-bit build environment, there's no way around that | 17:35 |
| lbt | x32 arch for mer maybe? | 17:35 |
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| lbt | no, that's the inverse isn't it? | 17:36 |
| lbt | in which case how will Webkit work on that? | 17:36 |
| Bostik | good question, but one I'm not ready to think about right at this moment | 17:36 |
| lbt | no, I suspect "beer" is topmost? | 17:36 |
| Bostik | I still have the whole armv* stuff to deal with, but the first one is now *DOWN* | 17:37 |
| Bostik | yes, have one right here | 17:37 |
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| vgrade | Bostik: well done | 18:11 |
| situ | Bostik: you used gold for the final build ? | 18:12 |
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| Bostik | situ: yep, and I trick it into use because gcc 4.6 doesn't do it (at least the version in mer didn't) | 18:37 |
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| Bostik | basically "copy ld.gold to path under /tmp as 'ld'; prepend said path in $PATH to ensure it's the first discovered, pray" | 18:40 |
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| vgrade | Bostik: can you use alternatives, bottom of this page http://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/LinuxFasterBuilds | 18:48 |
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| Bostik | vgrade: alternatives require root, which the build process is not supposed to have :) | 19:05 |
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| vgrade | Bostik: ah ok | 19:17 |
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| CosmoHill | hey vgrade and Bostik | 19:31 |
| vgrade | Hi CosmoHill | 19:32 |
| vgrade | good week? | 19:32 |
| CosmoHill | yeah pretty much | 19:33 |
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| Bostik | hi there | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | evenin' | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | still no good? | 19:55 |
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| Bostik | I won | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | you got it to build? | 19:55 |
| Bostik | read the backlog *g* | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | oh dear | 19:56 |
| Stskeeps | i wonder how that'll play with evolution of any OS that uses webkit really | 19:57 |
| Bostik | or just wait for me to commit the whole spec+patch monstrocity and rant in the message | 19:57 |
| Bostik | the fact that qtwebkit with webkit2 is impossible to link at all in 32bit userland really doesn't look good for most users | 19:58 |
| Stskeeps | can't those two somehow link independently? | 19:59 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, when you do a qtwebkit application you either go for one, or two | 19:59 |
| Stskeeps | typicalyl | 19:59 |
| Bostik | the "api" target apparently can't, I had to drop WebKit2 entirely and then it went through | 19:59 |
| Bostik | and yes, it was linking everything as shared | 20:00 |
| Stskeeps | hrm | 20:00 |
| Stskeeps | api target is a webkit thing, or qtwebkit? | 20:01 |
| vgrade | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/Installation | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | sounds fun | 20:05 |
| Stskeeps | mer in .. 3.. .2.. 1? | 20:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:05 |
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| CosmoHill | that should be the boot loader | 20:07 |
| Bostik | Stskeeps: I think it might be qtwebkit only | 20:11 |
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| Stskeeps | hrm | 20:12 |
| Stskeeps | well just as a thought, it may be interesting to split it up in two .so's | 20:13 |
| Bostik | we can start to figure out neat solutions and pester qt-releasing when we have caught up with them, I think | 20:14 |
| Stskeeps | who's the qtwebkit crowd anyhow? | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | like, people you'd be able to talk to | 20:16 |
| Bostik | damn good question | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, when you cease to be able to build on 32-bit reference platforms.. | 20:19 |
| vgrade | Bostik: Stskeeps https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-24857 | 20:19 |
| Stskeeps | hmmm | 20:19 |
| Stskeeps | that looks interesting | 20:19 |
| Bostik | vgrade: thank you, that is a valuable link indeed | 20:19 |
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| vgrade | cheers, one for Bostik also | 20:20 |
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| * Stskeeps reads http://www.kitchensoap.com/2012/10/25/on-being-a-senior-engineer/ | 20:45 | |
| Stskeeps | the title 'software engineer' always struck a bit weirdly to me from a danish perspective, ie, a computer scientist isn't an engineer :P | 20:46 |
| Stskeeps | though i guess it's about the role you work in | 20:46 |
| leinir | Stskeeps: weeell... that's an interesting one, though... my brother's uni course is Software Engineer... which /is/ an engineering approach to software development | 20:46 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah.. i think i could take a similar one but never did | 20:46 |
| leinir | rather than the theoretical mathematics approach of computer science | 20:47 |
| leinir | *nods* | 20:47 |
| w00t | TIL that Stskeeps never suffered software engineering | 20:47 |
| w00t | *eg* | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | i took evil stuff like science history and HCI | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | which proved to be very useful | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:47 |
| * w00t inserts nasty remark here | 20:47 | |
| w00t | (I kid, I kid) | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | the systems couldn't really address a computer science student wanting to learn about science&technology :P | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | and how it comes about in past | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:47 |
| leinir | You always get HCI now - even pure compsci has that as a requirement now :) | 20:48 |
| leinir | one semester's worth of a course of it, but still ;) | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | evil | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:48 |
| leinir | Evil, but as you've noted, useful :) | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | social computing was probably what i learnt the most from | 20:48 |
| leinir | My course, of course, was informatics, not compsci - so i did three semesters of HCI stuffs ;) | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | in the end: i'm just damn happy all that's over with now ;) | 20:49 |
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| leinir | *giggles* i really rather enjoyed my time at uni... could've done more, but... now i'm with KO and doing incredible things there as well, so i'm fine ;) | 20:54 |
| w00t | i've mixed feelings on not having studied | 20:55 |
| w00t | sometimes i wish i had | 20:55 |
| w00t | but otoh in a lot of ways it's good i didn't, else i'd not be where i am | 20:56 |
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| Stskeeps | i enjoyed when i was part of the start-uppy part of starting a research centre at university, where i was part of decisions, my views and ideas were listened to.. until there started coming in managers and me not being part of it anymore | 20:56 |
| leinir | Oh yeah, of course important that i went to AAU, it's a rather unique way of studying :) | 20:57 |
| Stskeeps | better AAU than RUC.. | 20:57 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:57 |
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| leinir | *laughs!* Yeaahh... RUC is sort of like AAU... done not quite as right ;) | 20:58 |
| * Stskeeps 's proudly from au.dk, even though they lost my @@% diploma in the mail 3 times | 20:58 | |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:58 |
| leinir | people who i've met who attended RUC have tended to agree ;) | 20:58 |
| leinir | *facepalms* D'oh :P | 20:58 |
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| Stskeeps | nite | 21:19 |
| leinir | ninis :) | 21:20 |
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