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| rcg | morning niqt | 07:18 |
| niqt | rcg :) | 07:19 |
| rcg | :) | 07:19 |
| rcg | one lesson learned yesterday: when "quickly" doing creating a patch, do not forget to add it to .yaml and/or .spec respectively.. been debugging the hell out of this thing until i noticed that i somehow lost the patch in the .spec file due to reverting to an earlier version when something broke | 07:21 |
| rcg | *-doing | 07:21 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe | 07:21 |
| Bostik | rcg: a corollary - when respinning a patch, remember to actually replace the patch that you upload along with .spec | 07:22 |
| Bostik | been there, done that, got baffled... | 07:23 |
| rcg | Bostik, right, very true :D | 07:23 |
| chouchoune | hi all | 07:23 |
| rcg | morning chouchoune | 07:24 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: OK for prerelease, let's make it 20121101.0.1 | 08:15 |
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| auri__ | morning | 08:21 |
| Stskeeps | morn auri__ | 08:21 |
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| lbt | morning all | 08:47 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: OK | 08:47 |
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| Stskeeps | ok, i have working i486 cross toolchain | 08:59 |
| Stskeeps | working on i586 | 08:59 |
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| lbt | good | 09:02 |
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| Bostik | out of morbid curiosity, how much extra work would it take to create a cross-toolchain running on x86_64? and would it even help with the linker-out-of-memory problem? | 09:04 |
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| Bostik | mainly in the vein of "should I even attempt such a feat?" | 09:05 |
| Stskeeps | step 1) port mer to x86_64 | 09:06 |
| niqt | Stskeeps, is missing a lot of time to QT5 beta? | 09:07 |
| Stskeeps | niqt: hmm? beta1 is already merged | 09:07 |
| niqt | ok | 09:07 |
| Stskeeps | Bostik: has webkit really become such a monster that you can't build it in less than 4 gb? | 09:07 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:07 |
| Bostik | Stskeeps: so I fear, and the few mentions on the subject seem to say the same | 09:08 |
| Stskeeps | wtf | 09:09 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:09 |
| Stskeeps | Bostik: does make -j1 help anything? | 09:09 |
| Bostik | which is why I'm now willing to try ld.gold because all other approaches have failed | 09:09 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 09:09 |
| Bostik | Stskeeps: the build log already implies that linking is done serially, but I can see what forcing -j1 does | 09:10 |
| Stskeeps | good point | 09:10 |
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| Bostik | the current (very explicit) error message says: /usr/bin/ld: out of memory allocating 1000 bytes after a total of 3384799232 bytes | 09:11 |
| Bostik | and that's with all the tricks in the book, including "force_shared_libs" | 09:12 |
| Stskeeps | i'm touching toolchain at the moment, i'll see what i can do about adding gold | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | it needs to be a cross gold too, so it may be a bit involved | 09:13 |
| Bostik | according to in-house serial webkit abusers they have been forced to use gold for all devel-builds and releases/snapshots are built solely on amd64 | 09:14 |
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| Stskeeps | point taken, so we need gold | 09:14 |
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| Stskeeps | or pray to the mighty gecko gods.. | 09:14 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:14 |
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| Stskeeps | Bostik: btw, this is even X86 it happens on? | 09:23 |
| Bostik | aye; see https://build.ci.merproject.org/package/live_build_log?arch=i586&package=qtwebkit&project=home%3Abostik%3AQt5b1&repository=Core_i586 | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | wow | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | either way, i'm adding gold atm | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | i'll provide you with a binutils you can try | 09:24 |
| Bostik | the build errors for arm targets are just outright bizarre, and I'll start to deal with them WHEN we have a working build for one target | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | how would you enable it for webkit, out of curiosity? | 09:24 |
| Bostik | new patch against Tools/qmake/mkspec/unix/** | 09:25 |
| Bostik | so I'll simply override how certain x86 options are set | 09:25 |
| Bostik | the g++ option for ld selection is "-fuse-ld=gold" | 09:26 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 09:26 |
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| Bostik | yes, qtwebkit provides local overrides for qmake/mkspecs to make building it easier :) | 09:28 |
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| Stskeeps | Bostik: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Atswindell%3Amer%3Acore%3Ai586 's binutils now has gold in it | 09:42 |
| Stskeeps | as ld.gold | 09:42 |
| Bostik | wheeee, let's see | 09:43 |
| Stskeeps | any idea if qt itself works better with gold? | 09:44 |
| ljp | silver | 09:44 |
| Bostik | none at all, this is first I'm trying it out | 09:44 |
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| Stskeeps | ok | 09:45 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: finished the img move from p5 | 09:58 |
| lbt | ci repo is still there - phost4 is an old ex5 without too much disk (IMG needs a lot) | 09:59 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: nb - pre-release? no snapshot? | 09:59 |
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| Stskeeps | prerelease, i think | 10:08 |
| lbt | we said that yesterday so just checking before it goes too far | 10:10 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 10:10 |
| lbt | how much is phost4 costing? | 10:11 |
| Stskeeps | lemem see | 10:11 |
| lbt | wondering about swapping it for an ex4s with more disk | 10:11 |
| lbt | I can squeeze repo.ci on there but it'll be very full | 10:11 |
| Stskeeps | EX 5, 49.5798 EUR/month | 10:12 |
| Stskeeps | (excl vat) | 10:12 |
| lbt | want to up it to 59 (+ a 59 setup fee) for 8Gb ram, faster cpu and 2.25Tb of disk? :) | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | can we move it to mer budget instead and you'll invoice me? | 10:14 |
| Stskeeps | better to go that way than having everything under my account | 10:14 |
| lbt | yes please ! | 10:14 |
| lbt | you can actually do a transfer I think | 10:15 |
| lbt | well, I know - just don't know how | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | and i assume you'll invoice with VAT 0%? | 10:16 |
| Stskeeps | http://pastie.org/5113796 | 10:16 |
| lbt | yes ... you need to fill in a form for reverse charge VAT though | 10:17 |
| Stskeeps | yes, that's done in poland | 10:17 |
| Stskeeps | accountant handles that | 10:17 |
| lbt | good - no surprise then :) | 10:17 |
| lbt | so just the token then | 10:17 |
| Stskeeps | want phost2 while you're at it? | 10:17 |
| lbt | sure | 10:18 |
| Stskeeps | invoice monthly, etc | 10:18 |
| lbt | yep | 10:18 |
| lbt | electronic OK ;P | 10:18 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 10:18 |
| lbt | henrik__: yes, I have this weird and wonderful bundler thing | 10:25 |
| henrik__ | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=sdk-webapp-bundle&project=home%3Albt%3Abranches%3AMer%3ATools%3ATesting | 10:25 |
| henrik__ | there is an error "nothing provides pkg-config" | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | it's called pkgconfig in mer, i think | 10:26 |
| lbt | sorting that is on my list for today | 10:26 |
| henrik__ | lbt: if i want to test myself, should i just branch that myself? | 10:26 |
| lbt | henrik__: keep working on the code side for now | 10:27 |
| lbt | I'll give you instructions/explanation when it works | 10:27 |
| henrik__ | lbt: ok | 10:27 |
| lbt | but after that, you'll branch it from Mer:Tools:Testing, yes | 10:27 |
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| Stskeeps | hello Saila :) | 10:29 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: urgh, i586 toolchain may be more challenging than thought | 10:30 |
| Saila | Hello Stskeeps | 10:30 |
| Stskeeps | Saila: welcome to #mer :) so what brings you here? | 10:30 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: why? | 10:30 |
| Saila | Curiosity :9 | 10:30 |
| Saila | :) | 10:30 |
| lbt | Saila: good reason :) | 10:30 |
| Stskeeps | Saila: sure :) if you have any questions, feel free to ask at any time | 10:30 |
| Saila | I will indeed. Thanks! | 10:31 |
| Stskeeps | else feel free to hang out | 10:31 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: let's just say that i have to do a cross compiler made for i486 in the i586 target | 10:31 |
| Stskeeps | which is just heaps of fun | 10:31 |
| Saila | Hey guys, how many people do you know are behind this initiative? | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | Saila: there's really varying degrees of involvement :) Mer's made so it doesn't take many people to pull this effort forward | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | Saila: there's people making products based on Mer, there's people working on Mer, there's people working on tools around Mer.. | 10:32 |
| lbt | Saila: some volunteer, many are paid by their organisation | 10:33 |
| Bostik | ...and people using mer to apparently satisfy their masochistic desires... | 10:33 |
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| lbt | Bostik: you're ... special | 10:33 |
| Saila | I understand, but what organizations are involved? | 10:33 |
| Bostik | should I take that as a compliment or an insult? :) | 10:33 |
| lbt | Bostik: yes | 10:33 |
| Stskeeps | Saila: KDE's Plasma Active is basing on Mer, Jolla, Nemo project - the way Mer is done, it's sometimes unclear to see | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | as we just see individuals participating | 10:34 |
| lbt | Bostik is from Nomovok | 10:34 |
| lbt | they help out a lot :) | 10:34 |
| Saila | So it really is a true open source! I love it already:) | 10:34 |
| lbt | Saila: what's your area? | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | Saila: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Governance | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | Saila: Mer infra costs are ~300-400 eur a month and we work cheap because small and medium busineses will need same deployments | 10:35 |
| Saila | I am a huge fan of open source initiatives such as Linux, Drupal and former Meego | 10:35 |
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| * lbt counts the phosts and thinks we need to review the costs/month advert now :) | 10:35 | |
| Stskeeps | many of us come from meego | 10:35 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: how much is it by now? | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | out of curiousity | 10:36 |
| lbt | €700 | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | ah, still good | 10:36 |
| Saila | So thats' my area....I've also studied html5. | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | Saila: generally Mer exists to share effort, everybody ends up with the similar kind of common non-android stack anyway, when doing mobile devices | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | so why not work together on the areas that make sense to work together on, and spend time on what you really want to do, like UI, or hardware adaptation | 10:37 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: taking repo.ci down to migrate it - not used during publish | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | really a thing for small to medium businesses or open source projects needing a solid base | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: ok | 10:37 |
| Saila | exactly! | 10:37 |
| Saila | Is the SDK available where? | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK and people are working on more app like sdk | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | qt creator-oriented | 10:38 |
| Saila | Thanks! I really appreciate your help. Will leave now but will certainly come back :) | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | sure, see you later | 10:38 |
| Bostik | oh bugger - "g++ -Wl,--no-undefined -Wl,--no-keep-memory [...]" <-- so my repo setup is wrong, OR my gold-detection is flawed | 10:38 |
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| Bostik | ah, version select logic hits: binutils with gold has lower build count number -> not selected | 10:49 |
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| * lbt grins | 10:55 | |
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| Bostik | aha! now it's just the matter of telling obs to use additional repo for packages :) | 11:04 |
| * lbt wishes we had gbit backbone at hetzner | 11:08 | |
| Bostik | lbt: something's not right; I have https://build.pub.meego.com/project/meta?project=home%3Abostik%3AQt5a1 referencing binutils with gold linker, manually mangled spec to require the exact buildutils version available from the extra project and still get "unresolvable" | 11:12 |
| Bostik | PEBKAC most certainly but the nature of P is unclear.. | 11:12 |
| lbt | looking | 11:13 |
| lbt | where is that binutils? | 11:14 |
| lbt | in tswindell? | 11:14 |
| Bostik | aye | 11:14 |
| lbt | swap the paths around | 11:15 |
| lbt | it finds it in Core with wrong version | 11:15 |
| lbt | and is too dim to try again in the other path | 11:15 |
| Bostik | oh... | 11:15 |
| lbt | it's a feature | 11:15 |
| Bostik | subtle PITA, I call it | 11:16 |
| * lbt hopes you don't get a huge rebuild | 11:16 | |
| Bostik | ah well.. that did something since the repo rebuilds now | 11:17 |
| lbt | you should, if you think about it | 11:17 |
| Bostik | at least I had the foresight to disable arm builds | 11:17 |
| lbt | :) | 11:17 |
| yunta | lbt: ? | 11:20 |
| lbt | glad you have a working toolchain commands: https://github.com/yunta-mb/sdk-setup/tree/sb2_manage | 11:20 |
| yunta | ah, that.... | 11:21 |
| yunta | well, removing doesn't really work, due to patterns and zypper :D | 11:21 |
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| lbt | yep - that's fine | 11:21 |
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| yunta | and you practically completed it already, I just added single routing function..... so nothing to brag about yet | 11:22 |
| VDVsx | mardy, hey, around ? | 11:22 |
| lbt | yunta: OK - yaml? | 11:23 |
| yunta | not yet, first full functionality | 11:26 |
| yunta | for targets and toolchains | 11:26 |
| yunta | then I'll think about improving output | 11:26 |
| yunta | manage_toolchain or manage_toolchains <- which name's better ? (list, add, remove) | 11:26 |
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| lbt | yunta: 42 | 11:29 |
| lbt | (I checked with Deep Thought and that's what she said) | 11:30 |
| yunta | come on, it was a language question :) "manage_toolchain" doesn't work in my native language for operations on elements of list | 11:31 |
| lbt | plural is fine | 11:32 |
| yunta | but I've seen singular english form used in many cases where I'd go for plural, hence confusion | 11:32 |
| yunta | ok | 11:32 |
| lbt | and I don't mind helping out with english language stuff - with some people I forget that it's not their native tongue :) | 11:34 |
| lbt | which is a compliment btw | 11:34 |
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| yunta | lol, thx | 11:36 |
| mikhas | (Only to reply with not-so-proper English, sigh.) | 11:37 |
| mikhas | =p | 11:37 |
| henrik__ | yunta: lbt: about removing toolchain. Could it be done by 'zypper pattern-info <pattern>' -> zypper remove <installed from pattern list>? | 11:39 |
| lbt | henrik__: yes, but there'd probably be a common component issue | 11:41 |
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| veskuh | Stskeeps, does this mean that we will get normal coredumps again? http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-core/systemd.git;a=commit;h=2e0a71ad9fc9315e244fd1d8401c089377dc84e9 | 11:42 |
| henrik__ | lbt: ok | 11:42 |
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| Stskeeps | veskuh: yed | 11:46 |
| henrik__ | lbt: still with this remove stuff. would it be enough to remove cross-<arch>-binutils and cross-<armv6l>-gcc. And do not touch sd-sb2-config, mpc, or qemu-usermode | 11:46 |
| veskuh | Stskeeps, cool | 11:47 |
| henrik__ | or would there still be some common component issue? | 11:47 |
| lbt | henrik__: that would be OK - but tbh I'd just leave it - the chances of needing to remove a toolchain are very low | 11:49 |
| lbt | upgrade, yes | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | Bostik: any luck? | 11:53 |
| Bostik | Stskeeps: we'll see in a couple of hours | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | k | 11:54 |
| situ | Bostik: Where is your QtWebkit repo ? | 12:05 |
| Bostik | situ: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?project=home%3Abostik%3AQt5a1 the whole shebang | 12:06 |
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| situ | It's blocked on qt5-qtlocation-devel, qt5-qtlocation | 12:07 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, it's rebuilding everything | 12:08 |
| Stskeeps | due to him investigating using gold linker instead | 12:08 |
| situ | Ok. | 12:08 |
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| auri__ | aportale: I sent you a mail with the patch.. need a LGTM.. after that I will push | 12:13 |
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| lbt | Bostik: have they thought about backing ld onto MariaDB ? | 12:17 |
| Bostik | ¿que? | 12:17 |
| henrik__ | yunta: for sb2_manage adding target i think arch parameter is needed as well since sb2-init needs to set /opt/cross/bin/<arch>-meego-linux-gnueabi-gcc path | 12:18 |
| lbt | Bostik: it's mainly the in-memory lookup table isn't it | 12:20 |
| Bostik | lbt: I think so | 12:23 |
| yunta | henrik__: yes, I have it like that right now: $0 --target --install <name> <toolchain> <url> | 12:23 |
| yunta | isn't toolchain ~ arch? | 12:23 |
| henrik__ | well there is Mer-SB2-<arch> | 12:24 |
| henrik__ | in toolchain name | 12:24 |
| henrik__ | but sticking with toolchain is just fine | 12:24 |
| Bostik | lbt: oh right, you'd want to swap some of the in-memory lookups to use an external storage and accept the [massive] I/O hit | 12:25 |
| auri__ | aportale: pushed | 12:25 |
| aportale | auri__: Thanks | 12:26 |
| lbt | Bostik: yep | 12:26 |
| lbt | so yeah, some nosql really - but cached 'tables' for different libraries | 12:28 |
| lbt | kinda like ccache | 12:28 |
| Bostik | that's outright twisted, and I'm wary of the idea for two reasons - 1) hacking the lowest core for that kind of abuse is going to be error-prone, and 2) adding an up-stack dependency to ld... "ew" | 12:29 |
| lbt | capability, not dependency | 12:30 |
| lbt | cloud-ld | 12:31 |
| phaeron | remote memcached | 12:32 |
| phaeron | shared key->value in memory store | 12:32 |
| vgrade | how are others building webkit? | 12:32 |
| lbt | yeah | 12:32 |
| phaeron | vgrade: they don't make clean ? :D | 12:33 |
| lbt | vgrade: x86_64 | 12:33 |
| Stskeeps | this qualifies for architectural masturbation, guys | 12:33 |
| Bostik | well... it might be financially a net gain on a personal level; probably wouldn't need to visit the barber ever again | 12:33 |
| phaeron | that's good :D | 12:33 |
| * phaeron waits 20 years to see Bostik | 12:34 | |
| * lbt wonders what goes hairy... | 12:34 | |
| Stskeeps | the good news is that it doesn't look like i need to do anything extra for gold in sb2 | 12:34 |
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| lbt | gold related blog posts: http://www.airs.com/blog/archives/38 http://www.airs.com/blog/archives/39 | 12:38 |
| lbt | henrik__: bundle finally builds ... just FYI | 12:39 |
| Stskeeps | random comment, we're really going for ruby on vm sdk? | 12:40 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:40 |
| lbt | gitorious is back up then | 12:40 |
| henrik__ | lbt: good to know | 12:40 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: yeah - we discussed it and it makes sense from a speed/skills PoV | 12:40 |
| Stskeeps | mmkay | 12:40 |
| lbt | yeah... indeed | 12:41 |
| lbt | rock, hard place | 12:41 |
| lbt | we could use https://github.com/jayferd/balls if you prefer? | 12:42 |
| lbt | "Bash on Balls" ... "because we can" | 12:42 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: how's release going? | 12:43 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: looks done | 12:44 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 12:44 |
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| yunta | uh, sdk vm crashed :( | 12:46 |
| henrik__ | yunta: what did you do? | 12:47 |
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| lbt | crashed or kernel msg? | 12:47 |
| yunta | well, it is possible I tried to copy hardlinks :D | 12:47 |
| yunta | crashe | 12:47 |
| yunta | kernel traces I get always | 12:48 |
| Stskeeps | silly question, are you using livecd or 'raw' images? | 12:48 |
| Stskeeps | ie, harddisk images | 12:48 |
| lbt | sdk is raw -> vdi | 12:48 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 12:48 |
| lbt | using vbox tool atm | 12:48 |
| lbt | yay repo moved | 12:49 |
| * lbt does a select() on concurrent tasks | 12:50 | |
| lbt | yep ... food! | 12:51 |
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| yunta | lbt: what do we do with cpu transparency command? 1) hardcode as arm qemu 2) allow user to specify (no) 3) guess based on toolchain name | 12:54 |
| Stskeeps | guessing's probably bette | 12:54 |
| Stskeeps | r | 12:54 |
| Stskeeps | also remember there might not even be one (x86) | 12:54 |
| mardy | VDVsx: hi! | 12:56 |
| yunta | same question applies to compiler | 12:56 |
| yunta | I'll go for guessing for now | 12:56 |
| VDVsx | mardy, hey, wanted to ask something about ag-tool but already figured out myself :) | 12:57 |
| mardy | VDVsx: OK :-) | 12:57 |
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| lbt | yunta: I'm actually tempted to support something like the kits | 13:10 |
| auri__ | aportale: mailed a patch for review | 13:11 |
| lbt | auri__: so how does the code->QtC process work ? | 13:11 |
| auri__ | still setting the environment around it | 13:12 |
| auri__ | will take sometime before I reach there | 13:12 |
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| lbt | can you remind me of your personal repo url? | 13:19 |
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| yunta | what's the official way of deleting a target? | 13:21 |
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| henrik__ | in the wiki there "rm -r ~/.scratchbox2/<target_name>" | 13:22 |
| yunta | thx | 13:22 |
| henrik__ | yunta: maybe also "rm /srv/mer/targets/<name>" | 13:23 |
| yunta | yes, I'll do that | 13:23 |
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| yunta | uh, another kernel fail..... null dereference | 13:27 |
| lbt | yunta: yep - hoping to move to new kernel 'RSN' | 13:30 |
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| yunta | what's the official way to upgrade the target? | 13:51 |
| yunta | zypper ref/up ? | 13:51 |
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| lbt | read the wiki | 13:52 |
| yunta | damn | 13:52 |
| lbt | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK#Upgrading_the_SDK | 13:52 |
| lbt | :) | 13:52 |
| lbt | there's a bug in sdk-version too | 13:52 |
| lbt | if either --core or --sdk are missed it should default to whatever is there - instead it breaks the repos :/ | 13:53 |
| yunta | ow | 13:53 |
| * lbt looks for Bostik | 13:53 | |
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| lbt | yeah | 13:53 |
| yunta | nice doc: | 13:53 |
| yunta | Simply run: | 13:53 |
| yunta | sudo sdk-version --latest | 13:53 |
| yunta | and you will then be told what steps to take to upgrade (usually just zypper ref/up). | 13:53 |
| yunta | looks like I need some AI for the script :D | 13:54 |
| lbt | *g* | 13:54 |
| lbt | you can do zypper ref/up | 13:54 |
| lbt | actually | 13:54 |
| yunta | lol | 13:54 |
| lbt | use --go | 13:54 |
| lbt | https://github.com/yunta-mb/sdk-setup/blob/master/src/sdk-version#L26 | 13:55 |
| Bostik | lbt: you summon()'ed | 13:57 |
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| lbt | I'm about to kick a -next build off on cobs but wanted to see if you needed another run at Qt | 13:59 |
| lbt | err, you do :) | 13:59 |
| Bostik | go ahead, I'll have one more test run for today but I only need to know the results tomorrow before I even look at the fixes | 14:00 |
| lbt | out of memory allocating 1000 bytes after a total of 3385217024 bytes | 14:00 |
| lbt | ok | 14:00 |
| Bostik | something b0rks in the gold detection, I'll respin the patch and queue an upload sometime tonight | 14:00 |
| lbt | ok | 14:01 |
| lbt | mmm so why do you even have both gold and non-gold ld installed | 14:01 |
| yunta | lbt: sdk-version will upgrade sdk, what about targets? can't see it affecting them... zypper ref/up? | 14:01 |
| lbt | yunta: it wont touch targets | 14:01 |
| Bostik | lbt: they come from same binutils package, and ld.gold is an *extra* binary :) | 14:02 |
| lbt | ah | 14:02 |
| lbt | buildasroot; rm /usr/bin/ld | 14:02 |
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| lbt | yunta: they're more tricky - we have ~3 types of target (atm) ... only 1 can upgrade itself | 14:02 |
| lbt | mic-created rootfs (downloaded) | 14:03 |
| lbt | mic-created rootfs (local create) <- that should be easy | 14:03 |
| lbt | osc build based target | 14:04 |
| yunta | uh | 14:04 |
| lbt | correction mic-created devel-only-rootfs (local create) | 14:04 |
| lbt | mic-created devel-only-rootfs (download) | 14:04 |
| lbt | I'm thinking we'll start by providing : mic-created devel-only-rootfs (download) | 14:05 |
| lbt | these will be specially prepared for Nemo devs and vendors can build similar ones | 14:05 |
| yunta | do we really need to support mic-creation in web ui? | 14:05 |
| lbt | yunta: no | 14:06 |
| lbt | not yet | 14:06 |
| lbt | but I can see it being easy/useful | 14:06 |
| yunta | ah, right, that's what you mean | 14:06 |
| yunta | t | 14:06 |
| yunta | cool, moving to wishlist ;) | 14:07 |
| yunta | so, henrik's ui has upgrade function for targets | 14:07 |
| lbt | isn't agile fun | 14:08 |
| yunta | do we 1) remove it 2) change it to sdk-upgrade 3) make it display instructions to re-download and re-install :D | 14:08 |
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| yunta | ? | 14:08 |
| lbt | remove it and add something about sdk-upgrade | 14:09 |
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| lbt | also yeah, we probably want re-download/install | 14:09 |
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| yunta | henrik__: please try out target operations (list/install/remove) of newest version in my repo, some day :) | 14:14 |
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| Stskeeps | phaeron: i found how to unbreak the libzypp build error on ARM, ie, libzypp-12.2.0 | 14:28 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: it turns out that our toolchain is in some cases generating broken DWARF-4 symbols and by -gdwarf-2 it solves it | 14:28 |
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| phaeron | ho hum .. wow | 14:30 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. | 14:30 |
| Stskeeps | and do you want to know how i diagnosed it to be that? | 14:30 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:30 |
| phaeron | put it in gdb ? | 14:31 |
| Stskeeps | nah | 14:31 |
| Stskeeps | ../zypp/libzypp.so.1200.2.0: undefined reference to `.LLST604' | 14:31 |
| * phaeron stares | 14:31 | |
| Stskeeps | ".LLST" google search will give you crap | 14:31 |
| Stskeeps | "llst" as well | 14:31 |
| Stskeeps | but.. | 14:31 |
| Stskeeps | "llst" gcc will give you the http://www.open64.net/doc/d3/d26/gcc-4_82_80_2gcc_2dwarf2out_8c-source.html | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | which hinted to me we were experiencing a DWARF related issue | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | and since we're one of the few distros that actually use DWARF-4 (much saner, smaller), well, let's switch back to dwarf-2 | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | and bam | 14:33 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:33 |
| Stskeeps | a bit of nm'ing around too | 14:35 |
| phaeron | yeah LLST didn't give much before too | 14:36 |
| phaeron | google bug :D | 14:36 |
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| auri__ | aportale: can you give it another try | 14:41 |
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| lbt | henrik__: OK - https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=sdk-webapp-bundle&project=home%3Albt%3Abranches%3AMer%3ATools%3ATesting should be installable to your SDK VM now | 15:20 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: ok to restart ci obs ? | 15:39 |
| Stskeeps | restart in which fashion | 15:39 |
| lbt | just stop/start to inform of migration of repo | 15:39 |
| Stskeeps | ok, sure | 15:40 |
| Stskeeps | remember to start MDS too | 15:40 |
| Stskeeps | if full reboot | 15:40 |
| lbt | it's not .. done... checking | 15:41 |
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| Stskeeps | reading slashdot comments about the r-pi gles drivers makes me not want to live on this planet anymore | 15:51 |
| Skry | :D | 15:51 |
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| Stskeeps | also, how many of these people have practical experience with actual linux-based embedded products.. | 15:52 |
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| Stskeeps | a userland open driver, no matter if it's crappy RPC or not, is a blessing | 15:52 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:52 |
| Stskeeps | especially if you can do some degree of buffer management | 15:52 |
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| Skry | open is always good. am my self currently stuck with TI's SDK offerings so kinda jealous. | 15:56 |
| mdfe_ | lbt: hi, could you take a look if latest mer core (armv7l) on cobs is in sync with upstream repo? | 15:57 |
| lbt | mdfe_: it's updating -next at the moment | 15:58 |
| lbt | I can't see any reason latest would have changed | 15:59 |
| lbt | what problem do you see? | 15:59 |
| vgrade | tunes into the webkit compile show | 16:00 |
| vgrade | its a monster | 16:00 |
| mdfe_ | I'm trying to build a image armv7l pointing to current/latest mer core and PA devel project | 16:00 |
| lbt | vgrade: Bostik's nearly got it using gold | 16:00 |
| vgrade | yea, I've been watching it go this afternoon in the background | 16:01 |
| vgrade | do they ned all those defines and includes ? | 16:01 |
| lbt | some things you don't want to know about | 16:01 |
| lbt | mdfe_: OK ... and? | 16:01 |
| mdfe_ | lbt: http://pastebin.com/VUTvzCAk | 16:02 |
| lbt | click | 16:02 |
| vgrade | lbt, looks like same oom error | 16:02 |
| Stskeeps | btw, did anybody get NFS going on mer/r-pi yet? | 16:02 |
| lbt | mdfe_: so "requires libboost_program_options-mt.so.5" | 16:03 |
| vgrade | usr/bin/ld: out of memory allocating 1000 bytes after a total of 3385217024 bytes | 16:03 |
| lbt | vgrade: yes - that's old ld though | 16:03 |
| mdfe_ | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/binary?arch=armv7el&filename=encfs-1.7.4-1.8.Project.KDE.Devel.armv7l.rpm&package=encfs&project=Project%3AKDE%3ADevel&repository=CE_UX_PlasmaActive_armv7l | 16:04 |
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| lbt | I see .so.5 and .so.1 | 16:07 |
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| lbt | possibly have something not armv7l in the repos? | 16:08 |
| Bostik | vgrade: you mean the apparently illogical command line with enormously long DEFINES+=... ? | 16:08 |
| vgrade | Bostik: yea | 16:08 |
| mdfe_ | the issue occurs three days ago, did you change anything releated to the repos in between? | 16:09 |
| Bostik | vgrade: it *is* possible that I could snuff many of them out now, but at least the only working way of getting the NPAPI support disabled is via those tricks | 16:09 |
| lbt | mdfe_: not intentionally | 16:09 |
| mdfe_ | lbt: I'm just wondering because image build fpr i586 went fine | 16:10 |
| Bostik | many of the webcore/WTF ifdefs are actually macros that expand to ENABLE_FOO_BAR checks and I haven't found out if they are all configurable in some more sensible way | 16:10 |
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| vgrade | Bostik: ok I thought that was the standard commandline | 16:11 |
| Bostik | no :) | 16:11 |
| lbt | mdfe_: show me the .ks | 16:11 |
| mdfe_ | http://pastebin.com/jhbwXmDW | 16:12 |
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| mdfe_ | sorry the wrong one :( | 16:14 |
| mdfe_ | http://pastebin.com/UEAhgJHW | 16:15 |
| lbt | you say "3 days ago" | 16:16 |
| lbt | do you mean you noticed it then? | 16:17 |
| lbt | or do you know it worked 4 days ago | 16:17 |
| lbt | since http://releases.merproject.org/releases/latest-release | 16:17 |
| mdfe_ | at sunday | 16:17 |
| lbt | and it's worked since last thursday's release? | 16:18 |
| mdfe_ | I only know the build breaks since Oct 19, 2012 6:00:52 PM and the last try was at Oct 21, 2012 6:00:52 PM | 16:19 |
| mdfe_ | for all armv7 platforms with the same issue | 16:20 |
| lbt | ok : we need to know if it has ever built with the latest Mer release? | 16:21 |
| mdfe_ | i586 image builds went fine all the time | 16:21 |
| mdfe_ | last success was at Oct 14, 2012 6:00:52 PM | 16:22 |
| lbt | sounds like a "no" then | 16:22 |
| mdfe_ | ok | 16:23 |
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| mdfe_ | imho the mer core armv7l obs repos and the published one are not in sync | 16:23 |
| lbt | OK - so it looks like nothing has changed at least - but we need to see what's going on | 16:24 |
| mdfe_ | I like to help | 16:24 |
| lbt | :) | 16:24 |
| lbt | yeah, I was bored and idle :/ | 16:25 |
| mdfe_ | here is the link to the hole ks file: http://share.basyskom.com/plasma-active/deployment/archos-gen9/tablet/mer/devel/weekly-omapfb/basyskom-plasma-active-archos-gen9-omapfb-tablet-mer-devel-121014-1800.ks | 16:27 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: do you have a way to compare obs-repos/ rpms with published ones? | 16:30 |
| lbt | http://releases.merproject.org/releases/0.20121018.1/builds/armv7l/packages/armv7l/boost-filesystem-1.51.0-1.1.Mer.armv7l.rpm | 16:30 |
| lbt | and | 16:30 |
| lbt | http://releases.merproject.org/obs-repos/Core:armv7l:0.20121018.1/Core_armv7l/armv7el/boost-filesystem.rpm | 16:30 |
| lbt | mdfe_: download and rpm2cpio of both shows ./usr/lib/libboost_filesystem-mt.so.1.51.0 | 16:32 |
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| lbt | so mer release is consistent for that rpm | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | is it +x ? | 16:32 |
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| lbt | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 81696 Oct 11 10:53 ./usr/lib/libboost_filesystem-mt.so.1.51.0 | 16:33 |
| lbt | I'll look on mds on cobs next | 16:33 |
| mdfe_ | I will try a rebuild asap | 16:33 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: http://pastebin.com/VUTvzCAk | 16:33 |
| lbt | requires libboost_program_options-mt.so.5 | 16:34 |
| lbt | .so.5 ? | 16:34 |
| mdfe_ | obs and published mer repos are looking fine | 16:40 |
| mdfe_ | maybe this issue will not happen anymore | 16:40 |
| lbt | cache possibly? | 16:40 |
| mdfe_ | did you done a downgrade of boost? | 16:41 |
| mdfe_ | I will delete the cache | 16:41 |
| lbt | don't think so - release notes would say | 16:42 |
| lbt | explicit rpm should come from the repo.xml though | 16:42 |
| mdfe_ | I took a look into the related cache | 16:43 |
| mdfe_ | boost-filesystem-1.39.0-1.32.Mer.armv7l.rpm | 16:43 |
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| mdfe_ | last try was at oct 21 | 16:44 |
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| lbt | instead of : http://releases.merproject.org/releases/latest/builds/armv7l/packages/ | 16:46 |
| lbt | try setting the Mer version explicitly | 16:46 |
| lbt | possibly cached repo.xml ? | 16:46 |
| mdfe_ | only found one boost version in hole cache | 16:47 |
| mdfe_ | imho it will not happen the next try | 16:47 |
| lbt | ok | 16:48 |
| mdfe_ | In 5 minutes my machine will give it a try | 16:48 |
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| mdfe_ | strange, same issue with deleted cache | 16:54 |
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| mdfe_ | maybe our project setup is screwed up | 16:55 |
| mdfe_ | s/our/plasma actve/ | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | show the .ks and the error? | 17:03 |
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| mdfe_ | http://share.basyskom.com/plasma-active/deployment/archos-gen9/tablet/mer/devel/weekly-omapfb/basyskom-plasma-active-archos-gen9-omapfb-tablet-mer-devel-121014-1800.ks | 17:08 |
| mdfe_ | http://pastebin.com/kwpHNv19 | 17:08 |
| mdfe_ | ouch | 17:09 |
| mdfe_ | I got it | 17:09 |
| Stskeeps | oh? | 17:09 |
| mdfe_ | it is the publishing flag of encfs | 17:09 |
| mdfe_ | see https://build.pub.meego.com/package/repositories?package=encfs&project=Project%3AKDE%3ADevel | 17:09 |
| Stskeeps | also, are you using mer platform sdk? | 17:09 |
| mdfe_ | nothing is wrong about mer, 'just' a bad package obs build config | 17:11 |
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| Stskeeps | ah | 17:11 |
| Stskeeps | just wondering since i saw the bootstrap thing :) | 17:11 |
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| lbt | phaeron: when IMG boots the kvm chroot does the boot get logged? | 17:12 |
| phaeron | lbt: not yet, Stskeeps asked for that , but -console stdio was broken for me , need to try it again | 17:13 |
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| lbt | OK - IMG doesn't work post migration and I'm trying to debug | 17:13 |
| phaeron | gah migrations | 17:14 |
| lbt | yeah | 17:14 |
| lbt | basically ssh fails | 17:14 |
| phaeron | where does it get stuck | 17:14 |
| lbt | so I asusme the kvm doesn't boot | 17:14 |
| lbt | kvm runs fine | 17:14 |
| lbt | by which I mean the kvm command happens | 17:15 |
| lbt | I suspect the base-overlay | 17:15 |
| phaeron | can I ssh so I can see | 17:16 |
| lbt | sure | 17:16 |
| lbt | imgw1 | 17:18 |
| phaeron | me tries to ssh | 17:18 |
| lbt | should there be a resolv.conf? | 17:21 |
| phaeron | yes but I am still looking | 17:24 |
| lbt | it was missing, I copied it in | 17:24 |
| phaeron | lbt: resolv.conf is copied into the kvm , but kvm needs to be sshable into | 17:25 |
| lbt | I saw it done manually in history | 17:25 |
| lbt | /usr/bin/qemu-kvm -nographic -no-reboot -daemonize -m 512M -kernel /home/img/vmlinuz -append root=/dev/vda panic=1 quiet rw elevator=noop ip=dhcp -net nic,model=virtio -net user,hostfwd=tcp:127.0.0.1:54912-:22 -drive index=0,if=virtio,media=disk,cache=writeback,file=/dev/vgimgw1/img_base2-overlay-2-20121025-170818-port-54912 | 17:26 |
| lbt | there's an odd '-' in the hostfwd | 17:27 |
| phaeron | lbt: no that's normal it is a tcp redirect | 17:27 |
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| lbt | incidentally should it boot to a fully running system? | 17:30 |
| phaeron | lbt: I think I am on wrong server .. | 17:32 |
| phaeron | :D | 17:32 |
| Stskeeps | .. | 17:32 |
| lbt | do you have 10.204.0.3 | 17:32 |
| phaeron | oh yes | 17:33 |
| phaeron | weird ip .. | 17:33 |
| phaeron | yes I am there | 17:33 |
| phaeron | yes yes I see the mesg | 17:33 |
| lbt | the zathras thing seemed like such a good idea :) | 17:33 |
| phaeron | /srv/images/web/lbt/2-20121025-170818 is last image ? | 17:34 |
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| lbt | phaeron: yes, that failed post-migration | 17:35 |
| phaeron | lbt: wrong permissions on /srv/images/* | 17:36 |
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| lbt | how? | 17:37 |
| phaeron | lbt: if you look at the img log you will see that it built fine all the way until it wanted to scp out | 17:37 |
| lbt | what img log? | 17:37 |
| phaeron | tail /srv/images/web/lbt/2-20121023-152417/nemo-handset-armv7hl-n950-0.20120920.1.NEMO.2012-10-07.1-sysroot.log | 17:37 |
| phaeron | and there you see it failed to scp | 17:38 |
| lbt | 2-20121023-152417 | 17:38 |
| phaeron | (because you are not using p9fs) | 17:38 |
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| lbt | 2-20121025-170818 | 17:38 |
| lbt | less /srv/images/web/lbt/2-20121025-170818/basyskom-plasma-active-archos-gen9-omapfb-tablet-mer-devel-121014-1800.log | 17:39 |
| phaeron | how is that imager's problem ? | 17:40 |
| phaeron | mic failed because of missing deps | 17:40 |
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| dm8tbr | images.formeego.org is now back in service. sorry for the lengthy downtime. | 17:48 |
| lbt | phaeron: ah | 17:48 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: \o/ | 17:49 |
| lbt | Error : Image build FAILED: Command '/usr/bin/ssh -p54912 -lroot 127.0.0.1 -i/home/img/id_rsa -o ConnectTimeout=60 -o ConnectionAttempts=4 -o UserKnownHostsFile=/dev/null -o StrictHostKeyChecking=no mic create fs /srv/images/web/lbt/2-20121025-170818/basyskom-plasma-active-archos-gen9-omapfb-tablet-mer-devel-121014-1800.ks --arch=armv7l --outdir=/srv/images/web/lbt/2-20121025-170818/ --pack-to=image.tar.bz2' returned non-zero exit status 1 | 17:49 |
| dm8tbr | (also redirects for the irclogs now should be working again for those people following stale links) | 17:49 |
| lbt | ^^ error is 'normal' image failure :) | 17:49 |
| phaeron | lbt: yes :) | 17:49 |
| lbt | but there's no log in IMG | 17:49 |
| lbt | https://img.merproject.org/img/job/2-20121025-170818#bottom | 17:49 |
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| phaeron | lbt: probably something in the setup | 17:50 |
| lbt | OK - I only migrated the machine so didn't expect anything this odd | 17:51 |
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| phaeron | I don't think there were logs before either ? | 17:53 |
| lbt | yeah, I used to watch them | 17:53 |
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| phaeron | lbt: img webui fetches the log from apache on the worker | 17:53 |
| phaeron | did you setup that ? | 17:53 |
| lbt | hmm | 17:53 |
| lbt | coulda changed | 17:53 |
| lbt | I know what we're doing you know | 17:54 |
| lbt | we're trying to have a more distributed config than OBS .... oh yes, I know the game! | 17:55 |
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| phaeron | well in new version it lets the client browser fetch it directly | 17:55 |
| lbt | not img.conf | 17:55 |
| lbt | on frontend | 17:55 |
| lbt | nor in skynet/ | 17:56 |
| phaeron | what are you looking for ? | 17:56 |
| lbt | the url that you mentioned | 17:56 |
| lbt | 25/10/2012 18:53] <phaeron> lbt: img webui fetches the log from apache on the worker | 17:56 |
| lbt | so I guess it needs a baseurl? | 17:57 |
| phaeron | lbt: on the worker /etc/skynet/build_image.conf first thing | 17:57 |
| phaeron | read the docs please ? :D | 17:58 |
| phaeron | it's in the docs too :D | 17:58 |
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| lbt | sure | 18:00 |
| lbt | I just didn't expect to look at the worker for the frontend config | 18:00 |
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| lbt | ok, that's not it | 18:01 |
| phaeron | no it's not frontend : so the idea is img doesn't send cpio or databases on the wire like obs. Either the worker serves the stuff as described there, or you setup nfs to do it | 18:02 |
| phaeron | lbt: skynet log update_image_status on frontend | 18:03 |
| phaeron | I think we discussed that before ? we really didn't want to do massive copying over the network or implement a new protocol :D | 18:04 |
| phaeron | so what I see there: | 18:05 |
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| lbt | proxy issue | 18:05 |
| phaeron | Matched 2-20121025-175207 job with 2-20121025-175207 | 18:05 |
| phaeron | Getting logfile http://img.merproject.org/images//web/lbt/2-20121025-175207/nemo-handset-armv7hl-n950-0.20120920.1.NEMO.2012-10-07.1-sysroot.log | 18:05 |
| phaeron | HTTP Error 502: Proxy Error | 18:05 |
| phaeron | 502 | 18:05 |
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| lbt | fuuu | 18:06 |
| lbt | it's because internal DNS != external | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | . | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | . | 18:07 |
| lbt | maemo.org masters our DNS | 18:07 |
| lbt | still | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | don't you mean formeego? | 18:08 |
| lbt | kinda | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | i'd really like us to get rid of any kind of maemo.org connections for our infra, please, now. | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:08 |
| lbt | by "us" you mean.... | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | by us i mean whoever can do something about it, owns the domains and has the dns setup :P | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | i have the gratisdns setup, let me see where that pulls from | 18:09 |
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| lbt | we need to have a DNS on one of our phosts that gratis can pull from | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | merproject.org. 3600INNSns.formeego.org. | 18:11 |
| lbt | formeego is also mastered on maemo dns fwiw | 18:11 |
| lbt | and, after I migrated away from 1&1 a couple of weeks ago I can move to our infra | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | well, let's get that done then, i don't want to rely on maemo.org servers so | 18:12 |
| lbt | but we need to collaborate on changing gratis | 18:12 |
| lbt | anyhow... dinner is ready ... bbiab | 18:12 |
| lbt | phaeron: thanks :) | 18:12 |
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| phaeron | lbt: welcome :) | 18:13 |
| phaeron | lbt: we agree that the decision to do it that way is not necessarily wrong ? :D | 18:14 |
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| phaeron | lbt: did cobs loose some workers? only 25 are reported | 18:26 |
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| tripzero | can't figure out why my package is the failing: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=libwebsockets&project=home%3Atripzero | 18:37 |
| tripzero | maybe it's failing generating the openssl key? | 18:39 |
| Stskeeps | is openssl the binary there? | 18:39 |
| tripzero | maybe not | 18:40 |
| Stskeeps | check :) | 18:40 |
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| lbt | phaeron: I don't have a problem with IMG - I just don't have a proper mental model of the various comms channels | 19:17 |
| lbt | and yes, it's lost 2 workers | 19:17 |
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| lbt | rebooting them | 19:19 |
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| phaeron | lbt: I'll try to draw a simplification | 19:34 |
| lbt | *nod* | 19:34 |
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| jpwhiting | phaeron: good morning | 19:52 |
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| phaeron | good night :D | 19:52 |
| jpwhiting | :) | 19:52 |
| phaeron | UGT universal greeting time | 19:52 |
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| jpwhiting | phaeron: does your exopc with newer versions of packages give any indication in the sensord.log that it's loaded the pegatron plugin? | 19:54 |
| CosmoHill | GeneralAntilles: i know what you mean by the may keyboards, my desktop just isn't that nice to use compared to my laptop | 19:54 |
| phaeron | jpwhiting: no | 19:54 |
| CosmoHill | (continuing a conversation from a month or two ago) | 19:55 |
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| jpwhiting | phaeron: at this point I'm about ready to throw in the towel and make the rotation plasma data engine have manual (rotate left, rotate right) etc calls and leave the sensorfw bugs to someone with more time or motivation | 19:55 |
| jpwhiting | connect the dataengine to QOrientationSensor later on if anyone else figures that bit out | 19:56 |
| jpwhiting | or maybe I'll come back to this once the data engine is more or less working :) | 19:59 |
| phaeron | jpwhiting: I think the solution is to drop all these layers. the accelerometer is exposed now as normal input device and joystick device | 20:00 |
| phaeron | I will try to look at what is done with such devices and configure it that way | 20:00 |
| jpwhiting | k, cool, good luck :) | 20:00 |
| jpwhiting | phaeron: want me to do anything with my patch to the kernel spec that only adds depmo %{kernel_version} in a new %post section? | 20:01 |
| phaeron | jpwhiting: I think I already added such a thing to my spec file too | 20:02 |
| jpwhiting | k, sounds good | 20:02 |
| phaeron | jpwhiting: it would be nice if you can find a proper fix for the boot loader issues | 20:02 |
| jpwhiting | the ln from extlinux/boot to extlinux/.. isn't adequate? | 20:02 |
| phaeron | it's a workaround at best | 20:03 |
| phaeron | and still needs manual edit of extlinux.conf | 20:03 |
| jpwhiting | true | 20:03 |
| jpwhiting | how come this is getting hit now, what's different between this kernel upgrade and previous ones? | 20:04 |
| jpwhiting | btw, the extlinux.conf here had some mention of 3.0.0-1 or something which I changed to just vmlinuz-3.6.1 | 20:05 |
| jpwhiting | but a vmlinuz file with no extension is also here, maybe from the old kernel package? | 20:05 |
| phaeron | jpwhiting: no the rpm actually contains two copies of the kernel ( another bug ) | 20:06 |
| phaeron | jpwhiting: and the upgrade path for x86 kernels have always been broken | 20:06 |
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| jpwhiting | ah, I see | 20:07 |
| phaeron | ( that is no updates to kernel from really long time ) | 20:07 |
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| jpwhiting | ah, I see, hmm, ok I'll take a look at it tonight | 20:08 |
| Bostik | *head on desk* | 20:09 |
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| Bostik | should have known -fuse-ld option is 4.7 addition :/ | 20:09 |
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| CosmoHill | hey Bostik | 20:14 |
| Bostik | good evening, cosmo | 20:14 |
| CosmoHill | how are you? | 20:15 |
| CosmoHill | I put my degree to good use and landed a 16K job trail in April | 20:16 |
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| CosmoHill | still here | 20:16 |
| Bostik | quite well, to be honest | 20:16 |
| CosmoHill | my mate with the same degree is on 28K | 20:16 |
| * CosmoHill thinks he's starting to sound bitter | 20:16 | |
| Bostik | either he's a smooth talker or there's plenty of variance in your jobs :) | 20:16 |
| CosmoHill | I work for a small company that isn't run that well i think | 20:17 |
| CosmoHill | my boss is like "why does this website take so long" etc | 20:17 |
| CosmoHill | the skin was designed separate from the system that powers it | 20:18 |
| Bostik | project at work 99% done (need to send final report to customer tomorrow), and the best part was that I identified genuine security-related problems | 20:18 |
| CosmoHill | cool | 20:18 |
| CosmoHill | what do you do for your job btw? I'm a web dev | 20:18 |
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| Bostik | hardcore system integration, build automation, dev-tools.. and whenever I can, security stuff | 20:18 |
| CosmoHill | cool | 20:19 |
| CosmoHill | i need to start talking smoother | 20:19 |
| Bostik | yeah sure, lately I've been filling in PM jobs too but I try to keep that to a minimum | 20:19 |
| CosmoHill | PM? | 20:19 |
| Bostik | project management | 20:19 |
| CosmoHill | ah | 20:19 |
| CosmoHill | the new person who started where I work has been doing that which is good cos I just like working | 20:20 |
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| Bostik | I used to flaunt the fact that I didn't need business cards | 20:20 |
| CosmoHill | I don't have any business cards | 20:20 |
| CosmoHill | been meaning to get some but I don't know what to put on them | 20:21 |
| Bostik | someone else was happy to take the non-technical, red-tape parts care of and I got to deal with technical guys only | 20:21 |
| mikhas | I just got new business cards this week … | 20:21 |
| Bostik | "top notch propeller-head" | 20:21 |
| mikhas | for some reason, they are all purple this time | 20:21 |
| CosmoHill | what info do they have? | 20:21 |
| Bostik | just remember the rule of thumb: the more impressive the title, the less important the person (or his job) | 20:22 |
| CosmoHill | my dad is VP ithink | 20:22 |
| CosmoHill | I was thinking of just having my name, email and mobike | 20:23 |
| CosmoHill | but then people would forget what I'd do | 20:23 |
| Bostik | and if you have a portfolio website, address to that too | 20:24 |
| CosmoHill | shit yes, keep meaning to set upa domain | 20:24 |
| CosmoHill | I have a load of sites but they are all dead ish and I refuse to remove one to set up a proper domain | 20:24 |
| CosmoHill | portfolio* | 20:24 |
| CosmoHill | I should look at the wording on my portfolio | 20:25 |
| CosmoHill | mikhas: i found a load of business cards that look like tape cassettes | 20:25 |
| Bostik | if you're really well set up and your name brings up high quality hits on google, you might go for broke and use 'goo.gl/$query' too | 20:25 |
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| CosmoHill | google "jonathan norman portfolio" :) | 20:26 |
| CosmoHill | also exact match domains have taken a hit on google | 20:26 |
| mikhas | :-) | 20:26 |
| mikhas | out of the two hits, both were you! | 20:27 |
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| CosmoHill | unless you clicked the linkedin one which is someone else | 20:27 |
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| mikhas | change your name | 20:27 |
| mikhas | buy a middle name | 20:27 |
| CosmoHill | sometimes I used my middle inital to get people to wonder what it could stand for | 20:28 |
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| CosmoHill | "hire me and I'll tell you" | 20:28 |
| Bostik | it's a bit shame I can't get my nick as a domain, but ah well | 20:28 |
| CosmoHill | cosmohill.co.uk :) | 20:28 |
| kallecarl | lbt: ping | 20:28 |
| CosmoHill | didn't think about getting that until this summer even tho I've used this nick since 2008 | 20:29 |
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| Bostik | needs a bigger hammer | 21:11 |
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| kallecarl | lbt: ping | 21:22 |
| lbt | hey | 21:22 |
| kallecarl | done | 21:22 |
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| lbt | henrik__: https://github.com/lbt/sdk-webapp and https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?project=home%3Albt%3Abranches%3AMer%3ATools%3ATesting you can get rpms from: http://repo.pub.meego.com//home:/lbt:/branches:/Mer:/Tools:/Testing/Mer_Core_i486/i486/ | 23:04 |
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