Wednesday, 2012-10-24

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sonachmorning all00:17
chriadamgmorning sonach00:19
sonachchriadam: hey:) where are you? it seems that it is 10:20 for you,00:21
sonachhehe, far from here :P00:22
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chriadamsonach: are you Europe? or?00:24
sonachno. Beijing, china,00:24
chriadamah :-)00:25
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chriadamgood morning iekku03:38
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Stskeepsvgrade: good work on hawaii05:29
vgradeshows promise05:30
vgradehad to add the following to get it to build, git, cmake 2.8.9, sudo. pam-devel,glib205:31
vgradeshowed up an issue with our Qt I think05:31
vgradeone of the private headers was looking for "qtplatform.h".  That is provided in the mkspec/linux-g++ dir but its not on the include path05:33
vgradeprivate Qt header that is05:34
vgradeBostik: commented05:34
vgradeprobably easy to create a single package to build on OBS. multiple packages more work but both doable05:36
Stskeepscmake 2.8.9 there's a patch waiting but i'm not sure i like the packaging05:45
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chriadamgood morning06:04
henrik__lbt: tar version in vm does not have option --hard-dereference06:04
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* Stskeeps headdesks06:08
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Stskeepstar gplv3 really causes a lot of bizarre issues at times :)06:08
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rcgStskeeps, ?06:09
rcgmorning btw :)06:09
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Stskeepsmissing option, due to the fact our tar is non-gplv3 version06:09
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rcgouch, bizarre indeed06:10
rcgbtw, while you are here, do you happen to know how to enter arrow key via the virtual keyboard?06:10
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Stskeepsnot offhand no06:13
rcgright, just checking ;)06:13
jussigood morning all06:14
Stskeepsmorn jussi06:15
rcgmorning jussi06:15
jussiit actually is a good morning :)06:17
rcgit is :)06:18
rcgam just pretty lazy that early ;)06:19
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Bostikvgrade: oh, you're right indeed - QTDIR is not really necessary any longer; I hadn't noticed that06:36
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chriadammardy: ping07:20
Stskeepsmorn plfiorini07:21
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chriadammardy: I'm about to head home unfortunately, but I was just taking a look at your blog about accounts&sso ( - was wondering if there was other documentation available somewhere, about how to add providers or obtain data and whatnot?07:37
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henrik__auri__: hi07:43
auri__henrik__: any luck?07:43
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situMorning all07:44
henrik__auri__: a bit07:46
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henrik__if i extract rootfs (with hard links in it) on host and re-tar it with --hard-dereference07:47
auri__ah! nice workaround07:47
henrik__then it can be extracted in vm without problems07:48
auri__were you able to run sb2 commands ?07:48
auri__with the target?07:48
henrik__there still is "tar: ./dev/null: Cannot mknod: Operation not permitted"07:48
auri__hmm .. permission issues?07:48
Stskeepsdon't bother with dev/*07:48
Stskeepsnot needed for sb2 anyhow07:48
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henrik__Stskeeps: good to know07:49
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henrik__auri__: do you mean for example "sb2 -t nemo-n950 -m sdk-install -R zypper ref"07:55
henrik__auri__: nope. it give me: error: db4 error(22) from dbenv->open: Invalid argument07:56
auri__same here07:56
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Stskeepsdid you follow the step about rm -rf /var/lib/rpm/__* stuff?07:57
Stskeepsand rebuilddb?07:57
henrik__Stskeeps: nope. where was those steps?07:58
henrik__Stskeeps: oh. found it07:59
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henrik__Stskeeps: didn't work08:09
Stskeepsshow me the steps you did/08:09
henrik__1) extract to nemo.bz2 to  /srv/mer/targets/n950rootfs 2) in the dir: "sb2-init  -L "--sysroot=/" -C "--sysroot=/" -c /usr/bin/qemu-arm-dynamic -m sdk-build -n -N -t / nemo-n950 /opt/cross/bin/armv7hl-meego-linux-gnueabi-gcc"08:10
henrik__3) rm -rf /var/lib/rpm/_* 4) sb2 -t mer-core -m sdk-install -R rpm --rebuilddb08:11
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Stskeeps3) .. don't you mean /srv/mer/targets/n950rootfs/var/lib/rpm/_* ?08:12
henrik__oh crap08:12
henrik__oh. and 4) -t was actually nemo-95008:12
henrik__Stskeeps: well even deleting from the right place didn't work08:14
henrik__error: db4 error(22) from dbenv->open: Invalid argument08:14
Stskeepsthis may apply for whatever insane reason..08:14
Stskeepscd /srv/mer/targets/n950rootfs08:14
Stskeepsdo the rm -rf thing08:14
Stskeepsand then the rebuilddb08:14
henrik__like this: sb2 -t nemo-n950 -R rpm --rebuilddb08:16
henrik__same problem08:16
henrik__error: db4 error(22) from dbenv->open: Invalid argument08:16
henrik__error: cannot open Packages index using db4 - Invalid argument (22)08:16
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Stskeepswhat if you cd / ?08:17
Stskeepsoh, right08:17
Stskeepssb2 -t nemo-n950 -m sdk-install -R rpm --rebuilddb08:17
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henrik__Stskeeps: same problem. btw, user is mersdk. no sudo stuff is needed, right?08:19
Stskeepswth... :P08:19
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Stskeepsok, walk me through what you do and i'll do exact same in my sdk08:19
Stskeepsurl to bz2 and all08:19
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henrik__extract that in host and re-tar with --hard-dereference08:20
henrik__then inside vm targets: mkdir n950rootfs; cd n950rootfs; tar xjvf nemo-deref.bz208:21
henrik__then sb2-init (in the n950rootfs): sb2-init  -L "--sysroot=/" -C "--sysroot=/" -c /usr/bin/qemu-arm-dynamic -m sdk-build -n -N -t / nemo-n950 /opt/cross/bin/armv7hl-meego-linux-gnueabi-gcc08:22
Stskeepsi'll do url to bz2, srv/mer/targets/n950, sb2-init, rpm -rf, sb2 rebuiddb, and test with zypper ref just to take a shortcut to validate that scenario08:22
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vgrade_plfiorini: morning08:43
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lbtmorning all09:02
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lbtauri__: o/09:04
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lbthenrik__: I thing you can untar with --hard-dereference09:07
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lbtauri__: henrik__ any blockers from me at the moment? Have you untarred my nemo rootfs and used it yet? (I haven't had time yet!)09:30
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Stskeepshenrik__: you're right, something is looking broken09:35
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henrik__lbt: this doesn't work  "sb2 -t nemo-n950 -m sdk-install -R zypper ref"09:39
henrik__gives error: db4 error(22) from dbenv->open: Invalid argument09:40
lbthenrik__: OK - and Stskeeps are you looking at that?09:40
Stskeepslbt: i will have to vanish rest of day but peek at sb2 -d09:42
lbthenrik__: we can probably skip the zypper part anyhow09:43
lbtI made a ks with qt-devel in iti09:43
lbtdid you use that?09:43
henrik__lbt: no, but i'll check09:45
henrik__lbt: ah. that has hardlinks in place as well. need to re-tar with --hard-dereference09:47
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lbtdid you untar with --hard-dereference ?09:47
henrik__lbt: doesn't work like that. it should be used when creating a tarball09:48
henrik__plus mer tar is gplv2, and it doesn't even have this option :(09:48
lbtok - so untar it on the host?09:50
henrik__yes. and tar again with  --hard-dereference -cvjf. then it works in vm09:52
lbtI'm pretty sure it would work on unpack09:54
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henrik__lbt: i actually compiled latest tar and tried that but didn't work09:56
lbtStskeeps: I'd like to run a mer snapshot without updating -next ... CI is quiet atm10:01
Stskeepslbt: if you can hold your horses you might get a prerelease10:02
Stskeepsor what is it related to?10:02
lbttrying a mechanism for vendor updates10:03
lbtie we try to do more non -next snapshots10:03
auri__henrik__: any luck with the latest image?10:03
Stskeepslbt: okay10:03
henrik__i have the same problem with that one as well10:03
lbtpossibly 'rolling' so they don't use any more disk10:04
auri__lbt: can we try some other approach?10:04
lbtI'll do that then - it's an intermediate before something in the process10:04
lbtauri__: did you download the ,ks from ?10:05
lbtsorry, tarball10:05
auri__nope.. not the latest one.. henrik__ said he had the same problem with that one too10:05
lbtok - you do realise that shared folders are shared - so you can unpack on either the host or the VM?10:06
lbtif the VM fails then use the host10:06
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lbtif tar fails on the host then sure, we have a problem :)10:06
auri__ok I missed that out.. so the latest has qt-devel10:07
auri__and i wouldnt need to run zypper10:07
lbtso no zypper messing about10:07
lbt*g* ... yep10:07
auri__hmm the problemm was not with untarring rather with sb2 and zypper10:07
Stskeepsyou only need to set up sb2 target, no need to run zypper, for now10:08
Bostik-sigh-   time to look into gold linker, I fear10:10
Bostikthis rabbit hole goes depp10:10
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henrik__lbt: "sb2-init -d -L "--sysroot=/" -C "--sysroot=/" -c /usr/bin/qemu-arm-dynamic -m sdk-build -n -N -t / qt-test /opt/cross/bin/armv7hl-meego-linux-gnueabi-gcc" looks ok?10:13
lbtqt-test will be the name for SB2_TARGET10:13
henrik__lbt: yes10:13
henrik__and no need to do anythin else after that?10:14
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lbtwhat is cwd10:14
henrik__it is /srv/mer/targets/qt/10:15
henrik__do they need to match?10:15
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lbtit would be helpful if they did10:15
lbtI think the scripts may assume that at the moment10:15
lbtI'm using nemo_n910:16
henrik__ok. in the wiki there is one example where it doesn't match. but i'll change and re-check10:16
auri__lbt: henrik__: hallelujah!10:16
lbtauri__: excellent10:17
henrik__auri__: worked?10:17
auri__yep :)10:17
auri__HelloWorld compiled and exec10:17
lbtso we have a real Mer bug (sb2 zypper) and an issue with hardlinks that needs working around10:17
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henrik__auri__: what were your steps? did you use the latest image?10:19
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auri__thanks guys.. now, I should probably write down the steps somewhere.. just to find out deviations from the "ideal" case10:19
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StskeepsBostik: i think i can get that organized..10:21
Bostikwilling to try anything, I guess10:22
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auri__a) untar the latest image (I did sudo untar) b) retar with --hard-dereference (again I used sudo) c) untar in /srv/mer/targets/nemo_xxx (with sudo) d) sudo chown -R $USER nemo_xxx (not reqd if you havent used sudo) e) In VM, cd /srv/mer/targets/nemo_xxx and exec sb2_init10:22
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auri__f) Optional: sb2_config -d <the nemo target name used in sb2_init> (this sets it as default) g) compile helloworld with sb2 gcc and exec with sb2 (you have to pass -t <target>, since I set nemo as default, I did not pass this)10:24
auri__henrik__: ^^10:24
RaYmAnslightly offtopic, but in case someone wants a cheap Cortex A8 dev board with mali400:
henrik__auri__: i think i did exactly that. need to look console history..10:26
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henrik__auri__: another hallelujah!10:28
auri__great :)10:28
henrik__i tried to compile in /tmp/10:28
henrik__works in ~10:29
auri__well i did it in ~10:29
henrik__should it work also in /tmp/ btw?10:29
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kulveIs this old news already: "Open Source ARM userland"11:33
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lbtkulve: new to me - and rather interesting11:35
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yuntalbt: henrik__ : r u t?11:41
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henrik__yunta: here11:43
yuntalbt: henrik__: -> #mer-meeting11:43
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yuntaback here :)11:45
yuntaso, sdk, what more do we exactly need to get it working?11:45
yuntaworking sb2_manage script11:45
yuntahttp server with current things functioning + progress view11:45
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yuntaofficial nemo images with dev packages ?11:46
yuntade-hardlinked-tarballs ?11:46
yuntasome qtcreator support?11:46
lbtlets say hardlink solution11:46
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lbtauri__ is taking care of QtC side11:47
yuntaare targets going to be installed in /home/mersdk ?11:47
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lbtno, see docs11:47
lbt /srv/mer/targets11:48
henrik__yunta: /srv/mer/targets/ which is a shared folder11:48
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lbtI'm handling the VM and packaging some tools11:48
yuntauh, /targets11:48
lbt /srv/mer/targets11:48
lbtit's consistent with all other SDK docs11:48
yuntaso, what about windows people? can we install targets in their broken-permission filesystem?11:48
auri__require sysroot (if targets are installed on host then this is taken care of.. ofcourse need tosee how it works on Windows since qmake and make has tobe faked)11:48
lbtso windows needs a prefix-mapping solution for a few areas anyway11:49
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auri__Also Users now will have to create projects in a shared folder ..11:50
yuntawouldn't it be easier to make people create another, bigger, vm drive for home dir and targets ? as default installation path11:50
lbtauri__: I think we can restate that11:50
lbtproject folders must be shared11:51
auri__ok .. fair enough11:51
lbtyunta: no redesign at this point please :)11:51
yuntaah, creator runs on host, forgot about it11:51
yuntalbt: nono, I'm just trying to understand :)11:51
lbtsure - at least not unless we hit a major blocker11:51
auri__however QtC should know the settings too.. for running qmake in the correct path11:51
lbtlater I see the webapp API telling QtC things - or vice-versa11:52
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lbtI suspect we will should make the webapp the main config mgmt center11:53
yuntalbt: should your images be treated as official nemo's dev images? :)11:53
lbtsince it's easier for vendors to extend than QtC11:53
auri__ok for v1 I am assuming one folder (tree) .. if I have time I will put the other functionality11:53
lbtyunta: yes11:53
lbtyunta: eventually11:53
lbtauri__: yep - 1 folder tree == $HOME11:53
yuntacool, can we postprocess them to remove hardlinks ? (re-tar without hardlinks)11:53
yuntaI mean, before publishing11:54
lbtyunta: yep - or other things11:54
yuntacan that be defined in ks? (out of curiosity)11:54
lbtno, needs work11:54
auri__will the targets be installed as part of SDK will user install them separately?11:54
lbtnot part of SDK11:55
auri__will the targets be installed as part of SDK OR will user install them separately?11:55
lbtwe may provide some complete tarball - but that's different11:55
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auri__Is it reasonable to assume that it will be in /srv/mer/targets (always)?11:55
lbtyes (for now)11:56
lbtat some point much later we may have a target root config11:56
yuntaso, sb_manage2, web interface + progress view, hardlink solution, qtcreator support11:57
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yuntahow much work is there to be done in qtcreator?11:58
lbtprogress view?11:58
yuntae.g. installation progress visible in web tool11:58
yuntaso you know that something is happening11:58
lbtok KISS11:58
yuntawill try11:59
henrik__maybe that is a bonus if we have time todo it11:59
lbtI'll have more time on this after today too11:59
lbtalso ... repeated testing11:59
yuntatail + html refresh if we are lucky11:59
lbtw00t: png11:59
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w00tlbt: about to go lunch, but what's up11:59
lbtdemos for SDK12:00
lbtie pre-prepared sexy project12:00
lbtfor Nemo12:00
w00twhat exactly do you need?12:00
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auri__yunta: got my SDK to build helloWorld today..12:00
lbtpre-prepared sexy project12:00
w00tshowing what though? what does it need to do/demonstrate technically12:01
auri__so now putting in all the hooks and lines in qtc12:01
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yuntaauri__: sdk vm  you mean?12:01
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yuntadid you have to modify that sdk in any way?12:02
yuntadid you use lbt's target ?12:02
lbtw00t: using something from the Nemo components?12:02
cat_x301seek some help for udev: mode is ignored while following rule is being exec'd:12:02
cat_x301SUBSYSTEM=="ump", ACTION=="add", MODE="0664"12:02
lbtw00t: essentially a small Nemo app12:03
lbtyunta: auri__: henrik__:   packaging too12:03
yuntapackaging of what exactly? webapp, and?12:03
lbtyunta: no, a Nemo app12:03
auri__yunta: scroll up for steps .. i have listed them.. I used the latest image12:04
lbtQtC button "package this"12:04
yuntaauri__: thx12:04
* lbt goes to pin that nemo tarball so it doesn't expire12:04
henrik__yunta: it is the link i sent you12:04
lbteek IMG exploded12:05
yuntaso, sb_manage2, web interface + progress view, hardlink solution, qtcreator support, example nemo app12:05
yuntaprogress view optional :)12:05
lbtauri__: bug in django app - don't panic :)12:05
* auri__ phew12:06
lbtalso ... checking.... sb_manage2 is a simple bash app?12:06
yuntalbt: what about splash/wallpaper that mruk is supposed to draw? where do they show up? current sdk vm doesn't boot to x....12:06
lbtyeah - I'm a bit sad about that12:06
lbtI may make it boot to X just to do that12:06
lbtbut no SDL12:07
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yuntalol, what about just using plymouth and keep it on screen?12:07
lbtyeah-that's in there but the VM has some nice info12:08
lbtgentoo has a kernel patch for fbcons decoration12:08
lbtbut ... that really is getting silly :)12:08
yuntapermanent splash with current nice text info embedded12:09
lbtyeah - I'd like something but leave it for now12:09
lbtwebui should be blue-er and have mer logo12:09
henrik__lbt: should it be close to mer logo blue?12:10
lbtfocus is currently on operational12:10
lbthenrik__: makes sense12:10
yuntaI think I can force mruk to blue-ize it in a better way than it's done currently12:10
henrik__ok. i did pick the color from that already. i'll use that. but maybe some designer can give some verdict12:10
henrik__yunta: if she can do that, it would be nice. i don't have an eye for that at all12:11
yuntahenrik__: just publish it on bitbucket and give her access, I think you have her email (non-jolla one)12:12
henrik__yunta: i'll do that12:12
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lbtwould it help if we had one or more bugs on mer bz to track this work?12:13
lbtyunta's idea :)12:13
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lbtauri__: for you in particular as you're new around here?12:13
lbtI'm thinking a high level bug and then maybe a QtC one and some tasks12:14
lbtthen QtC tasks could block on things like packaging template etc12:14
auri__\me runs away from red tape12:14
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* auri__ runs away from red tape!12:14
lbt*g* - think of it as a collaborative todo list12:15
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yunta*g* - think of it as gratification mechanism - it's nice to close task-bug when you complete it12:15
lbtyunta: I'm happy for us to do that and try it on the VM/SDK side12:16
lbtauri__ you can keep an eye on it and if you think it's helpful then try it too12:17
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situAnyone else facing problems with ?12:19
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auri__lbt: quick ques.. in /srv/mer/targets/<target_name> is same as <target_name> passed in sb2_init? Is that mandatory or can a custom name be set?12:22
lbtsitu: explain12:22
lbtauri__: it's not mandatory but I'd like to make them the same for us12:22
lbtotherwise we need user to manage 2 values for no sane reason12:23
auri__I wud prefer that especially as user can download and init target w/o QtC knowing about it12:23
lbtyou'd prefer them to be equivalent ?12:24
auri__i wud then assume <folder_name> = <target_name> and exec sb2 -t <folder_name>12:24
* sledges is trying to put MeeGo 1.2 on Celeron (Mendocino) 433 MHz 393MB RAM :)) with no DVD drive (only a CD one), using Plop boot manager and bootable USB stick :) halts after ISOLINUX, argh :)12:24
lbtsledges: tried #meego?12:25
* lbt ducks and runs :)12:25
sledges:D I thought you'll suggest me to try #mer ;) but anyhow, I after resurrecting that year2000 laptop :?12:26
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lbtauri__: OK - have you pushed any hack branches btw?12:28
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vgrade_kulve: very interesting. First EGL,GLES userland source I've seen12:28
lbtI'd like to track/test as you go12:28
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lbtvgrade_: grab it quick!12:28
auri__not yet.. by EOD12:28
vgrade_kulve: cudos to broadcom and rasppi foundation12:28
lbtauri__: OK - and we'll treat it as hack stuff too12:29
vgrade_lbt, you think its a mistake?12:29
lbtI cloned to a personal repo too - I may even push something one day!12:29
auri__did you get the mail from gitorious?12:29
lbtvgrade_: no, but then the lawyers spot it and ...12:29
lbtauri__: yes - ty12:29
lbtI need to be *very* comfortable before using that though12:30
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kulvevgrade_: yeah, very nice news in an area that used to be really tightly closed12:30
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* sledges not giving up, rebooting :)12:31
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lbtsledges: OK12:31
vgrade_kulve: does this help with the video effort on the Pi12:32
* lbt goes to make a sandwich12:32
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pqhas anyone actually read the rpi userland sources, looking at how one EGL call is implemented, or something?12:33
kulvevgrade_: not really, I think12:33
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RaYmAnsome people are claiming it's really rather meaningless sources because of the way it's implemented ("kernel" on videocore - drivers just communicate by message passing to it - so the source is really just a message passing wrapper for opengl etc)12:35
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pqRaYmAn, indeed.12:36
pqguess I should also mention, that I have a Weston rpi backend brewing :-)12:36
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pqthe release is a nice start, anyway12:38
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sledgesmeego installation is running hey hey hey! :) (sorry for offtopicing :))13:07
sledgesarrrgh kernel panic.. :D13:07
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* sledges is imagining a world of meego-based smart connected devices13:09
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vgrade_sledges: still flogging that horse :)13:49
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lbtsledges: give up already13:50
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lbtit'll be a world of mer-based smart connected devices :D13:51
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sledgesbetter than the dolphin :D couldn't find a better full-fledged linux to run on old laptops :) than good old dead MeeGo :)13:52
sledgesany other "lightweight linux distro" just seemed not fitting the bill in different respects13:53
sledgesbut mostly - unappealing UX :)13:53
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zuhpq: Yeah, from what I've managed to dig from the sources, it seems to just generate calls to the VC through the kernel "driver". Not 100% sure of the flow yet though, it's kind of hard to follow...14:11
zuh# if defined(__SYMBIAN32__)14:13
zuhScary :)14:13
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lbtauri__: henrik__  yunta we need to add username to targets as per (new) instructions in
lbtthis will support rpmbuild14:44
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jpwhitinglbt: is it a known bug that the qtsensors examples in qt-mobility-examples don't work on the exopc?15:18
Stskeepsyes, the accelerometer driver is shot15:18
jpwhitingah ugh :(15:18
lbtwe're doing a kernel update which I think fixes it15:18
jpwhitinglbt: ah, if it does, would you let me know? or even let me know when the update is packaged and I can test it here15:19
lbtcan you build your own images?15:19
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lbtas I think the kernel doesn't upgrade15:20
lbtbut there's a package phaeron did15:20
jpwhitingit doesn't? hmm, how come?15:20
lbtsilly bug15:20
jpwhitingah :(15:20
jpwhitingI haven't built my own images before no, but I could learn I guess15:20
lbtpatches welcome if you want to play15:20
phaeronhmm ?15:21
lbt ?15:21
phaeronah 3.6 kernel for i68615:22
lbtyeah - does it support expoc ?15:22
phaeronif you install it , you may need to fiddle with bootloader and run depmod after it boots15:22
lbtand does it provide kernel-devel for building external modules?15:22
phaeronlbt: it's a copy of your adaptation spec15:22
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phaeronand I have it on my expoc yes15:23
notmartjpwhiting: is easy, btw, they will probably come to:
phaeronwhich is carsten's anyway15:23
lbtso should you SR it15:23
Stskeepsthank you for the correction, i forgot i had one :P15:23
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jpwhitingnotmart: the weekly image will have the new kernel soon? is that what you mean?15:23
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notmartjpwhiting: when the kernel hits the adaptation repo, the monday after an image with it should land there15:24
phaeronStskeeps: didn't do much with it :(15:24
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phaeronlbt: when I have time to fix the issues I mentioned above. because if user doesn't know how to fix it upgrade will just brick the device15:25
phaeron(which are not specific to this package , x86 kernel upgrade is broken in mer/nemo)15:25
lbtOK - can you link the virtualbox there to trial it15:26
Stskeepsdidn't we get the kernel upgrade fixed or was i hallucinating at that point?15:26
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phaeronStskeeps: did we ?
MerbotNemo bug 179 in x86-generic "Device doesn't boot after kernel update" [Normal,New]15:27
lbtphaeron: I mean :   osc linkpac CE:Adaptation:x86-generic virtualbox home:iamer:MerSDK15:28
phaeronlbt: what would that do ?15:28
phaeronI mean why ?15:28
lbtbuild modules for shared folders15:28
phaeronah , ok let's try that15:28
lbtout of tree modules support is untried for my spec I think15:29
Stskeepslbt: so we are we at with SDK by now?15:29
lbtit works :)15:29
lbtas in pressing the green button makes an ARM binary15:29
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lbtminor issue is hardlink support in shared folders15:30
phaeronlbt: linked15:30
lbtStskeeps: annoying but :/15:30
lbtwe can fix in many, many ways15:30
Stskeepsscrew hardlinks, :P15:31
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lbtother than that - we need to add the scripts to the QtC build for linux15:31
lbthmm, I should do that and MR it15:31
lbtI need to review the SDK packaging and maybe do a 7.1.0 release15:32
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lbtI'm using VBoxManage to make vdi files atm - I don't think that's an issue but15:32
lbtphaeron: ah, you need to link kbuild too (or build against CE:adaptaiton)15:33
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phaeronlbt: linked kbuild, vbox building15:38
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phaeronlbt: want maintainership there ?15:40
crevetorHello !15:42
Stskeepslo crevetor15:42
crevetorStskeeps: hi15:42
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lbtsure - ty15:44
lbtphaeron: yeah - my packaging sucks15:45
jpwhitingStskeeps: so the new kernel that fixes the exopc accelerometer is in the new image (or next weeks image) or no?15:46
phaeronlbt: made you maintainer there15:46
Stskeepsnot yet15:46
Stskeepsalso, not sure about PA15:46
phaeronjpwhiting: not unless we fix the bootloader issue15:46
jpwhitingpulse audio?15:46
jpwhitingphaeron: ah, what is the bootloader issue?15:46
jpwhitinggot a bug somewhere?15:46
phaeronI just linked it up there :D15:47
MerbotNemo bug 179 in x86-generic "Device doesn't boot after kernel update" [Normal,New]15:47
phaeronread my last comment there15:47
phaeronthis one is for the upgrade
MerbotNemo bug 427 in x86-generic "functional exopc orientation (& other stuff) requires kernel update or patching" [Normal,New]15:47
jpwhitingah, I think I may have hit that last week, it gets to a point where it seems to be starting x over and over, but never does15:48
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phaeronI guess adding a proper depmod with version to the %post would fix 42715:50
phaeron179 is a bit more involved15:50
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jpwhitingah, I see, probably needs grubby patch then?15:52
jpwhitingphaeron: fixing 427 would make using kernel 3.6 on exopc work? but requires a fresh image since 179 is needed for upgrading kernel to work?15:53
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nemowhy is merbot pinging me15:55
* nemo sighs15:55
jpwhitingtime for a better nick? :p15:55
cat_x301e.g. mer? ;)15:56
Stskeepsor "obs"15:56
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jpwhitingphaeron: depmod with version means adding %post depmod -a before the %files section?15:58
phaerondepmod <kernel version>15:59
jpwhitingah, ok15:59
phaeronwhere kernel version is the version part of the directory it gets installed to16:00
phaeronby default it uses current running kernel version, which is useless16:00
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jpwhitingbut since upgrade doesn't work I need to patch the spec, build it, create an image from that and run that image?16:00
jpwhitingyep, gotcha16:00
phaeronjpwhiting: well upgrade works if you fix it before rebooting16:00
jpwhitingah, ok16:01
phaeron(both depmod and bootloader)16:02
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jpwhitingwell, depmod should be fixed in the .spec file, right?16:07
jpwhitingphaeron: I want depmod kernel_version or kernel_version_build ?16:08
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phaeronI think it gets installed to _build , lbt ?16:09
phaeronI don't have the exopc handy right now16:09
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lbtme neither16:10
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kallecarlStskeeps: talking with the Qt Developer Days U.S. organizers16:41
kallecarlthey have a proposal from Carol Chen16:42
kallecarlare you coordinating with Jolla for a Mer talk proposal or doing it independently?16:42
Stskeepskallecarl: i won't be able to attend sadly16:42
Stskeepskallecarl: it turns out i have a seperate appointment for same time period, so16:43
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kallecarlStskeeps: I will work with you on the presentation already accepted16:43
jpwhitinglbt: ok, I have a new kernel built with depmod kernel_version added to %post, any idea what I need to do to fix the upgrade problem locally so I can reboot into this new kernel?16:44
jpwhitingnotmart: or you :)16:44
lbtjpwhiting: I've not hit the problem myself so no16:46
kallecarlStskeeps: is there a Mer communication channel where people can be asked to attend QtDevDays or present?16:46
lbtmailing list16:46
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lbtjpwhiting: is it 179 ?16:47
jpwhitinglbt: ok, thanks16:47
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lbtif so then /boot/extlinux config ?16:47
jpwhitingah, right16:47
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lbtthe last comment by islam16:47
jpwhitingthe second "suggestion" yep16:47
lbtkallecarl: what scope?16:48
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lbtI'm thinking that we're putting together a QtCreator / Mer Platform SDK16:48
lbtand I may be able to present on that - assuming Mer is an interesting target16:49
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Stskeepskallecarl: mer-general@ is usually OK16:53
jpwhitingno luck,16:53
jpwhitingit starts, and then blinks "Starting Meego..." on the bottom of the screen repeatedly16:53
kallecarllbt: Stskeeps: mailing list works16:54
kallecarli'll do that16:54
lbtjpwhiting: ctrl or shift key ?16:54
kallecarllbt: scope Qt Developer Days U.S.
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kallecarlfor Mer, this could be anything you want that serves Mer and ties in somehow to Qt16:55
lbtOK - I could do a proposal on Mer and targetting it via QtC - Jolla will have done Slush by then too16:56
situStskeeps: Are you going to speak at Slush ?16:56
jpwhitinglbt: that lets me edit the boot line, but nothing seems to be able to get it to boot16:59
jpwhitingthere's not a way with grubby to see what's on the boot device, is there?16:59
jpwhitingeven ls would help :)16:59
kallecarllbt: hello...pleasure to "meet" you16:59
lbtkallecarl:  :)16:59
lbtjpwhiting: and I'm guessing you don't have the ssh console with the ls you did of the /boot before you rebooted?17:00
lbt*g* ... next time eh?17:00
lbtyou booting from usb jpwhiting?17:01
jpwhitinglbt: no I did it on the device with a konsole, no ssh session :(17:01
jpwhitingno, from the hd17:01
jpwhitingroot is /dev/sda217:01
jpwhitingboot had vmlinuz-3.6.1 in it17:01
lbtboot from usb installer and try a rescue ?17:01
jpwhitingwhich this grubby line is supposed to boot with17:01
jpwhitingah, yeah, that would probably help :)17:02
lbtshould at least get a look at /boot on the hdd17:02
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jpwhitinglbt: ok, root is /dev/sda217:08
jpwhitingboot is /dev/sda117:08
jpwhitingextlinux.conf is pointing the kernel at boot/vmlinuz-3.6.117:08
jpwhiting /dev/sda1 has config-3.6.1 vmlinuz vmlinuz-3.6.1 and extlinux folder17:09
jpwhitingbut I only upgraded the kernel package from my branch repository, not anything else from Mer:SDK itself17:09
jpwhitingdo I need other kernel related packages from that?17:10
CosmoHillwhy phones do you guys recommend for talking, texting and taking pics?17:10
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jpwhitinglbt: booting now, I had symlinked to /boot instead of ../ from /boot/extlinux17:22
jpwhitingwill see if the sensors work now17:22
lbtCosmoHill: N917:22
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CosmoHillthat's going to cost more than £free isn't it?17:26
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jpwhitingCosmoHill: of course17:27
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jpwhitingCosmoHill: you never said it had to be free... :)17:27
jpwhitingnotmart: lbt: ok with this kernel the sensors seem to be there, but they all read zero, and orientation is unknown17:28
CosmoHilllast phone that was bought for me was a k750i, the k800i, nokia crapscreen and W995 are all dad's ex contracts17:28
jpwhitingand the cursor is bouncing around a lot also :*)17:28
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jpwhitinglbt: then after adding the 92-pegatron-accel.conf to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d the cursor no longer jumps, but the accel readings are all still zero :(17:46
lbtwe need to check how the kernel is / needs to be configured for the exo sensors17:48
phaeron_n9at least that new kernel works, sensorfw or similar needs config17:49
jpwhitingyeah, probably17:50
jpwhitingthe sensor seems to work, since it was making the cursor jump around before I set x to ignore it17:50
phaeron_n9it does have a config for exopc but i bet it needs updating17:50
phaeron_n9jpwhiting, yes17:51
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jpwhitingphaeron_n9: why would the sensorfw config need to be changed?18:01
Stskeepsdevice names maybe18:01
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jpwhitingthe names change in different releases of the driver?18:02
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phaeron_n9the driver was merged upstream much later than it was in meego18:03
phaeron_n9it could have been rewritten and events arw now different18:03
jpwhitingah, I see18:05
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vgradeevening all18:09
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Stskeepsevening vgrade18:09
kallecarlw00t: are you still planning to make a presentation about QML at Qt Developer Days in Santa Clara?18:11
w00tkallecarl: yes, will get things together and send it off asap18:12
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kallecarlw00t: I got a message from the organizers asking about an abstract18:13
kallecarlI'm organizing the conference for KDE & Friends18:14
kallecarlwell not the conference but the participation18:14
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CosmoHill£350 for a Nokia N9, sod that18:16
CosmoHillalso, hi w00t and vgrade18:16
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vgradeCosmoHill: \o18:16
StskeepsCosmoHill: smartphones cost :P18:17
CosmoHillthis is why I look at dumb phones18:17
kallecarlStskeeps: were you working with Carol Chen at Jolla to set up your presentation? If so, is that presentation now cancelled or will someone else from Jolla be doing it?18:20
Stskeepskallecarl: i think mine came up as a possibility but an actual abstract was never submitted18:21
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Stskeepsgood evening plfiorini :)19:27
plfiorinihello Stskeeps :)19:27
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* Stskeeps glances at
jpwhitingw00t: ping19:44
* w00t eyes jpwhiting >_>19:45
w00twhat did I do :P19:45
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* CosmoHill eyes w00t eyeing jpwhiting 19:45
CosmoHillw00t: i didn't think he was your type19:45
jpwhitinghey, in an effort to solve I've got lbt's 3.6.1 kernel installed on this exopc and have the xorg conf set to ignore the Pegatron accelerometer19:45
MerbotNemo bug 427 in x86-generic "functional exopc orientation (& other stuff) requires kernel update or patching" [Normal,New]19:45
jpwhitingany idea what I need to do to get the right configuration for sensord so QSensors will work again?19:46
jpwhitingit's currently "working" but giving zeros  for everything19:46
jpwhitingwhich is less than useful obviously :)19:46
w00tno, I haven't had a chance to look, unfortunately - I do know where the code for the pegatron accelerometer driver is, though, maybe that'll point you in the right direction19:47
w00tone moment19:47
jpwhitingCosmoHill: w00t and I go way back... :p19:47
CosmoHillfwb? :p19:47
jpwhitingyeah, that would be helpful probably19:47
jpwhitingah, that's the original adding of pegatron to sensorfw19:48
jpwhitingwhich may be what the problem is19:48
* jpwhiting reviews the sensord log to see if anything pops out19:48
vgradeStskeeps: nice Ti package19:54
vgradeStskeeps: though not in the market for any new hardware... well if anyone has a Tegra3 tablet I may be tempted19:58
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Venemo_N9anyone running Mer on Nexus 7 yet? :)20:01
Stskeepsi don't buy android hardware, people give it to me for hacking20:01
Stskeeps(nook color excepted..)20:02
w00tjpwhiting: btw, it's great to see someone looking into this :) i have poked around sensorfw a little in the past, so ping if you need a secnd pair of eyes - but it's not that fresh in my mind20:02
jpwhitingw00t: ok, will do20:02
jpwhitingw00t: trying to get it working for plasma active so I can test my orientation sensor that rotates the screen20:03
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Venemo_N9Stskeeps, what do you mean?20:08
StskeepsVenemo_N9: as in i rarely buy hw :P20:08
Stskeepsand i don't buy android, or apple as i don't want to support those business models :P20:09
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Venemo_N9recommend me some alternative20:10
Stskeepssoon enough20:11
Venemo_N9is jolla makin' tablets too?20:12
Stskeepsok, maybe that was inaccurate. nexus 7 might be good for mer but it depends on ubuntu working properly i think20:12
Stskeepsi forgot for a moment n7 was a tablet20:12
Venemo_N9some guys managed to port ubuntu to it, yes20:14
Venemo_N9I'm unsure of details though20:14
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Venemohi again :)20:31
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cat_x301Stskeeps: can you tell me if '-' is intentional in e.g. in this file:20:40
cat_x301./sshd@.service:6:ExecStart=-/usr/sbin/sshd -i20:40
Stskeepsyes, it's a systemd thing20:40
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cat_x301Stskeeps: ah, ok.. still trying to find out why user-session does not start..20:41
cat_x301Stskeeps: yeah, good idea..20:43
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cat_x301nothing suspicious there
Stskeepssystemctl, check for user-session@1000.service20:57
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lbtdoes : journalctl -b20:58
lbtsay more?20:58
cat_x301systemctl status here
cat_x301lbt: that was -b21:00
cat_x301lbt: journalctl -a -b --no-pager to be precise ;)21:00
cat_x301calling "/lib/systemd/systemd --user" manually does not show any issues either..21:05
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cat_x301all right.. found workaround: just commented ControlGroup* entries in user-session@.service and user@.service and everything started to make some sense :)21:41
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jpwhitingw00t: looking at the debug sensord log the pegatron plugin is never loaded22:36
jpwhitingand the accellerometer and magnetometer fail because the compass fails because is missing22:37
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phaeroncool !22:38
jpwhitingdmesg does show the asus_laptop recognizes the accelerometer as event7 though22:38
jpwhitingand cat /dev/input/event7 gives gibberish as expected22:38
jpwhitingphaeron: any idea where should come from?22:39
phaeronyes that I get too22:39
phaeronjpwhiting: maybe  it needs to be turned on at build time22:39
jpwhitingphaeron: in PLUGIN_INSTRUCTIONS_DEPRECATED he sais chains are going away22:41
jpwhitingand under chains there's accelerometerchain and orientationchain22:41
jpwhitingbut no compass22:41
phaeron ?22:42
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jpwhitingyeah, there's the compass plugin22:43
jpwhitingbut not the chain22:43
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phaeronI honestly don't know what chains are :)22:44
jpwhitingalso in debian/changelog sensord 0.6.22 Fixed a bug with missing in RotationSensor22:44
jpwhitingme either22:44
lbtbloody hell!22:44
jpwhitingexcept that they seem different than the plugins22:44
lbtmy VM migraton script works!22:44
jpwhitingbecause they have separate sections in the docs22:44
jpwhitinganyway, I'm done for today, will look more later22:45
phaeronnever got fixed in meego ?22:45
phaeron bug 8649 in Sensor framework "the sensorfw compasschain is missing" [Critical,Assigned]22:46
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jpwhitingphaeron: trouble is I'm not sure if that's why pegatron plugin is not loaded22:55
jpwhitingactually I don't see how the plugins are supposed to get loaded tbh22:56
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phaeronjpwhiting: wasn't there a conf file matching the boardname which specifies what is to be loaded ?22:57
jpwhitingphaeron: there's sensord-exopc.conf22:58
jpwhitingbut I don't see what loads that22:58
jpwhitingaccording to the docs sensord.conf is loaded first, then stuff under sensord.conf.d22:58
phaeronno it gets matched to boardname22:58
jpwhitingwhere is boardname coming from?22:58
phaeronwhich is deduced from dmi or bios info afair22:59
phaerontype boardname22:59
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phaeroncharging my exo23:01
jpwhitingphaeron: well, the systemd .service file is starting sensord with -c /etc/sensorfw/primaryuse.conf23:02
jpwhitingwhich doesn't exist23:02
jpwhitingI soft linked that to sensord-exopc.conf and it gave the same result23:02
phaeronhmm I clearly remember seeing the correct file loaded23:03
phaeronI'll check soon23:03
jpwhitingmaybe it is, but nothing is loading the pegatronaccelerationadapter according to the sensord.log I get23:03
jpwhitingI changed the systemd service file to add --log-level=test23:03
jpwhitingso I get tons of debug output23:03
phaeronmaybe the evdev device can be used as a joystick and map that to orientation23:04
jpwhitingcould be23:05
jpwhitingit seems altlinux runs it through acpid into sensord23:06
phaeronor if sensorfw has a generic plugin for that23:06
phaeronheh was just going to say that23:06
phaeronsince the kernel probably produces standard events23:06
phaerondid you try hdmi out too ?23:08
jpwhitingdo we lose any features by going that route?23:08
phaeronjpwhiting: probably it will map only general orientation , not acceleration and not compass23:08
phaeronbut that's speculation23:09
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phaeronie. won't provide granular info23:13
jpwhitingyeah probably23:14
phaeronjpwhiting: when you upgraded the kernel you had to fix the bootloader ?23:15
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phaeronjpwhiting: interesting did you see this process running : /lib/udev/accelerometer /devices/platform/asus_laptop/input/input723:20
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jpwhitingyep, I had to fix the bootloader23:21
jpwhitingjust softlinked extlinux/boot as ..23:21
* jpwhiting looks for that process, one sec23:21
phaeronah yeah one of the two workarounds I outlined23:21
jpwhitingyep, the second one, exactly23:22
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jpwhitingyep, that process is running23:23
phaeronjpwhiting: btw /etc/sensorfw/primaryuse.conf is a symlink to /etc/sensorfw/sensord-exopc.conf23:23
jpwhitingit wasn't here23:23
jpwhitingwhat package gave you that?23:23
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jpwhitingI added it though23:24
phaeronboardname reports boardname23:24
jpwhitingis the sensor working there?23:24
jpwhitingI didn't get boardname to run, what package is that from?23:24
jpwhitingah, in /sbin23:25
jpwhitingmine gives 10-pegatron :)23:25
phaeronrpm -qf /sbin/boardname23:25
jpwhitinghmm, mine is boardname-0.7-1.10.i58623:26
jpwhitingprobably because I'm using stable mer release23:26
* jpwhiting wonders how much more would "just work" if he upgraded23:26
jpwhitingmeh baby screaming at me, more tomorrow23:27
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phaeronok cya23:28
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