Friday, 2012-10-19

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sonachmorning all01:01
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sonachStskeeps: Mer is booted on hi3716c to login prompt. The rootfs contains /system dir of ics. libc.so and libdl.so are replaced. So maybe it is ready for testing hybris02:10
sonachStskeeps: another thing:  I can not login to mer using either 'mer' or 'root'. it is odd :P02:11
sonachthe ks file shows that the passwords for 'mer' and 'root ' are all 'rootme', but can not login.02:12
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kulvevgrade: I tried to accept your sr, but I'm just getting (even after a retry): "We're sorry but the system is currently not able to handle your request in a reasonable time. Please try again later."04:12
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Stskeepssonach: might be /etc/securetty05:02
situMorning everyone05:03
Stskeepsmorn05:03
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Bostikmorning05:12
StskeepsBostik: qtwebkit still causing headaches?05:13
Bostikaye05:13
Bostikjust spun a new approach, let's see how it does05:13
Stskeepsok05:13
Bostikif this fails, then it's time to start tormenting build.ci.mer05:13
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sonachStskeeps: hey, I check /etc/securetty, it is OK, that is, I have added 'ttyAMA0' to /etc/securetty, and make the software link to 'serial-getty@.service',06:17
Stskeepsok, still doesn't work?06:17
sonachStskeeps: yes, just can not login, but can see the login prompt,06:17
Stskeepshmm06:17
Stskeepstry with the non-root user and use su?06:18
Stskeepsi gtg, business meeting06:18
sonachStskeeps: 'mer' is the non-root user, but can not login,06:18
sonachok, we can discuss this when you have time :)06:19
sonachStskeeps: the mer release for build the rootfs is 0.20120920.1.  And I just add support three features(CGROUPS/DEVTMPFS/VT) base off hi3716c_ics_defconfig for kernel building.06:25
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vgrademorning06:50
vgradekulve: ok, lbt said last night he was going to melt cobs :)06:50
kulvevgrade: you could also directly work in the CE:A:RPi as there's not users for it yet and people don't expect it to be stable06:52
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vgradekulve: doing the sr was goog practice for me06:58
kulvevgrade: sure. I haven't done that yet :)06:59
vgradekulve: just osc branch the package you want to change. Do changes, test then sr the package back07:00
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vgradekulve: let me know if you can't accept later07:00
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kulvevgrade: well, I was about to try again but according to the log there I've already accepted it twice..07:05
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lbtkulve: COBS is very busy but should be working fine for SRs - jobs will just take a while to build08:07
lbtmorning all08:08
kulvelbt: well, it didn't :)08:09
Bostikvery busy indeed, something seems to have queued a full rebuild cycle08:10
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lbtyay ... phost5 is back :)08:17
lbtBostik: yesterday was our planned release day08:17
lbtand ....08:17
lbt<shock>08:18
lbtwe released!08:18
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lbtkulve: OK what SR ?08:21
kulvelbt: it was slow and timeoutted twice and asked to retry later. A moment ago I noticed that the SR was accepted twice even though it said that it failed. So no problems anymore but it didn't "work just fine".08:23
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lbtthat depends on whether your definition of "just fine" includes "eventually gets there with much clanking, screeching and groaning" ?08:24
lbttoday, mine does :)08:24
Bostiklbt: congrats (I guess)08:26
lbtBostik: we do it every month - usually a week or two later than hoped for :)08:26
Bostikhar08:26
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* auri__ sips coffee and hopes that the image build went through08:43
lbtauri__: hey08:44
auri__lbt: morning08:44
lbtyou would not believe :)08:44
auri__?08:44
lbtthe physical server our img service is on went down last night - it's a sponsored one and the admin only got in a few mins ago08:45
lbtI have the ks tested locally so I'm building now08:45
lbtdo you have an account on merproject.org btw?08:46
lbtand meego.com08:46
* auri__ thinks Murphy had a hand in this.. damn him!08:46
auri__ah! no.. Do I need one?08:46
lbtwhy not08:46
auri__both or justmer?08:47
lbtbugs.merproject.org08:47
auri__done.. also meego?08:48
lbtyes08:48
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auri__ok done.. any specific mailing list that I should subscribe to?08:51
lbthttps://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Mailing_lists08:52
rcg-workmorning09:00
lbtauri__: http://img.merproject.org/images//web/lbt/2-20121019-084649/09:03
lbtget the bz2 - that's a compressed SDK vdi09:04
lbtit has no target yet09:04
lbtI am looking to put targets outside SDK which makes life easy for linux09:04
lbtI need a QtC with the sysroot though09:04
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auri__moment09:05
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auri__lbt: http://pastebin.com/hRvBetbi09:28
auri__is there a minimum version of VBox that needs to be used?09:28
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lbtauri__: probably :)09:30
lbtauri__: I use 4.1.1809:30
lbtjust updating instructions too09:30
auri__ok.. downloading 4.1.2209:32
auri__the latest one09:32
lbtOK09:33
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lbthttps://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK_on_VirtualBox is updated09:45
auri__lbt: no luck .. even the latest VBox gives the same error :(09:46
lbtauri__: ignore the nice info in the VM about the IP - I need to find a fix that only shows it in non-NAT mode09:46
lbtwhat error?09:46
lbtoh09:46
lbtsilly me09:46
auri__http://pastebin.com/Am7n0V6M09:47
lbt:/09:47
auri__I tried with the vdi that you uploaded as well as unzipping the bz2 (both are same but just wanted to check)09:48
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lbtauri__: redoing the image conversion on the server09:50
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lbtzipping09:51
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lbtdone09:55
auri__same link?09:56
lbthttps://img.merproject.org/images/sdk/09:56
lbthas md5sum too09:56
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auri__:)09:57
lbthey henrik, meet auri__ - he's working on QtC side. henrik is working on the web services to allow target mgmt09:58
henrik__auri__: hi09:59
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auri__henrik__: hi!09:59
lbtyou're both having the same problem on vdi ... which rather suggests it's my fault :/09:59
auri__lbt: boohoo :'( 403 Forbidden09:59
lbtgah10:00
lbttry now10:00
henrik__lbt: i just upgrade virtual box to 4.1.18 and it is still the same issue10:01
lbthenrik__: yep - it's either a corrupt raw image or a bad vdi conversion at my end10:02
lbtI'm rebuilding the image in case it still fails10:02
henrik__lbt: ok. let us know when you have new image available10:02
lbthenrik__: is that with the 'new' vdi https://img.merproject.org/images/sdk/10:03
lbtdifferent md5sum10:03
lbtactually- let auri__ check it first10:03
auri__lbt: henrik__: +1 .. no error this time10:05
lbtyay10:06
henrik__wee. i'll download it then as well10:06
lbtOK - that image was made by VboxManage convertor - 1st one was using qemu-img10:06
lbtwhich I think is a bit old on that machine - next Mer release has updated qemu-img so I can do it reliably inside Mer10:07
lbtanyhow... details10:07
auri__lbt: quick question .. is that bridged Adapter or NAT? (in the Setting Menu)10:09
lbthttps://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK_on_VirtualBox10:10
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auri__ok.. I needed to refresh the page :).. I had the older version of the wiki page10:11
lbtauri__: this will be part of the docs so we can start eating our own already10:11
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Venemo_N9morning10:11
lbtand yeah - it's very fresh - I did it whilst building the imae10:11
Venemo_N9:)10:11
lbthey Venemo_N910:12
Venemo_N9what's up lbt? :)10:12
lbthaving fun on SDKs10:12
Venemo_N9awesome :)10:12
lbtlooking for sponsors for infra10:13
lbtreleasing stuff10:13
lbtall good10:13
Venemo_N9that's nice to see10:13
auri__Is it "normal" to see "Received SIGUSR1" and repetetive "Welcome to emergency mode..."10:19
auri__when booting up the virtual machine?10:19
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lbthehe10:21
lbtno10:21
lbtbut, you know, at least it boots :)10:22
henrik__i have 73% downloaded... i'll let you know if i see similar issues10:24
lbtauri__: did you setup the 'home' ?10:25
lbtI will be using an alternative boot solution that will detect/report on that in a better way10:25
auri__yes i did10:25
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Bostikdamnit, even with forced 'CONFIG = release' the qtwebkit object files are still in "debug" path10:26
auri__ah! ok.. Failed to mount /home/mersdk10:27
auri__what di I do wrong?10:27
auri__Should I symlink it?10:27
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lbtauri__: I wonder if guest additions are version specific10:28
lbtI really hope not!10:28
lbtnah, can't be10:28
lbtauri__: OK - so do you have console to SDK ?10:29
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lbtdo :   VBoxControl sharedfolder list10:30
auri__sorry .. come again..10:32
lbtin the vm do you have a root shell ?10:33
auri__it doesnt boot up :).. so nope .. no shell10:33
lbtOK - it has emergency mode10:33
lbtso at the bottom of the VM window it should say "right ctrl" or similar10:34
lbtthat's the vbox 'host key'10:34
lbtwhich is a bit like 'alt'10:34
lbtnot sure what key they use on MacOS :)10:34
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lbtpress "right-ctrl & F210:35
lbtshould get you a login prompt10:35
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lbtauri__: ?10:37
auri__:(10:38
lbtOK - so does the host key work?10:39
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auri__nope .. doesnt work for me10:51
auri__lbt: ^10:52
auri__henrik__: any luck?10:53
lbtauri__: what doesn't work?10:54
lbthost key10:54
henrik__npe. I have the same. and host key is not working10:54
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lbtso... step 1... make host key work :)10:54
auri__well the host key works in the sense that I can switch between display modes via Host Key + C10:55
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auri__but Host Key + F2 doesnt bring up a console10:55
lbt"on a Mac host, the default host key is the left Command key"10:55
lbtah10:55
lbtOK10:55
henrik__oh. i think this has somthing to do with virtual box upgrade. now the original image that used to work behaves the same10:56
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lbtok10:56
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auri__in that case lets default to dave's version .. its 4.1.18 I suppose10:57
auri__I will give that a try10:57
lbthmm10:57
lbtif you're getting a kernel booting then that's not needed10:58
auri__ok..10:58
lbtso10:58
lbtit does boot and systemd runs ?10:58
lbtbut it fails to mount /home/mersdk10:59
auri__looks like it10:59
lbttry : ssh root@localhost -p 222210:59
auri__doesnt do anything11:01
henrik__same here11:01
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lbtOK - yep11:03
lbtso the basic problem is that 'home' shared folder isn't working11:03
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lbtI can reproduce the problem and this needs to be more resilient11:03
lbtphdeswer will be delighted to know that at this moment in time I think systemd sucks11:04
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lbtso now I need to know why shared folders are not working on a Mac11:06
lbthttps://wiki.merproject.org/images/6/69/VboxSDK-sf.png11:07
lbtcould there be any confusion there in the Mac version11:07
auri__nope.. I am on a linux machine11:07
auri__:)11:07
henrik__ systemd[1]: Unit srv-mer-targets.mount entered failed state.11:07
henrik__lbt: is threre a way to capture vm boot mesage.11:08
lbtauri__: so how come your home mount fails?11:09
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auri__will check after lunch11:16
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lbtauri__: call in 45m?11:16
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lbtauri__: OK ... so I setup my VM with a missing 'home' shared folder. Then it went into that bad boot cycle. Whilst it was still running I picked Devices/Shared folder and setup 'home' pointing to /home/<me> as a transient shared folder. The VM then booted normally11:21
lbtso I'm 100% sure you simply have a bad shared folder setting11:21
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phdeswerlbt, :)11:34
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lbtauri__: OK ... so ... high prio then :)12:35
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auri__:)12:36
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lbtnow... quick sanity check - you did use /home/auri or similar for your home dir ?12:39
auri__yup /home/ajana12:39
lbtand your PC is plugged in?12:39
lbt*g*12:39
auri__:) yup12:40
auri__do I have to do anything about storage?12:41
auri__I remember you had a dedicated disk12:42
lbtit's the /home/mersdk which is the issue12:42
lbtand that's simply mounting the "home" shared folder12:42
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lbtthe "Folder Name" must be "home", not ajana12:43
auri__yup.. Do I need any "Guest Additions" ?12:44
lbtno. preinstalled12:44
lbtsec12:44
auri__http://picpaste.com/SharedFolder-QcuWWa8s.png12:45
auri__no luck.. tried from the start as per wiki12:46
lbtwhat version of vbox12:47
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auri__4.1.22 r8065712:48
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lbtOK - I think this may be the problem12:52
auri__the VBox?12:53
lbtI suspect that the guest additions version must match the virtualbox host12:54
auri__hmm wahts ur version?12:54
lbt4.1.1812:54
auri__I will try that12:54
auri__ok12:54
lbtstandard debian version12:54
lbthmm12:55
lbtmy laptop is 4.1.1212:55
lbtand the same VM boots on there12:55
lbtso maybe not - unless 4.1.22 changed the API12:55
lbtwhich seems unlikely if it works for my 2 versions12:55
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auri__you never know!12:56
auri__let me give it a run.. nothing much to do otherwise12:56
lbtheh ... I hope I have problems building QtC ... then I won't feel so bad :)12:56
lbthenrik__: how about you?12:58
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lbtauri__: I'm going to retest here13:04
lbtmake sure that image has no typos etc13:04
auri__k13:04
lbthmm13:06
lbtcould you add another shared folder called 'targets' to the VM13:07
lbtmap it to somewhere with some space on your host13:07
lbtI use /srv/mer/targets13:08
lbtin fact, use that location13:08
auri__ok13:08
auri__brb.. need to log out and in13:09
lbtOK13:09
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lbtauri__: it looks like I built using my development kickstart13:12
lbton the plus side you don't need to edit fstab13:13
lbtauri__: I think that may fix it13:15
auri__passed the first hurdle but I cant ssh to the VM13:16
lbtyeah - it tells you the IP?13:16
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lbtauri__: it is the right IP but it's NAT so you need to ssh to localhost -p 222213:21
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auri__sry.. Failed to mount /srv/mer/targets13:25
auri__See 'systemctl status srv-mer-targets.mount' for details13:26
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auri__now how do I run systemctl when I cannot even get a shell :(13:26
lbtindeed13:26
auri__lbt: ^13:27
lbtpoweroff the VM13:27
lbtand check that /srv/mer/targets exists and is owned by you13:27
auri__lbt: http://picpaste.com/Error-kcGNdLXL.png13:28
lbtok - so what did you do to allow it to mount home?13:28
auri__I created the folder /srv/mer/targets13:30
lbtok and reboot the VM ?13:31
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auri__ok looks like chown did the trick for targets13:32
auri__but now same error for /home/mersdk13:33
lbtok - pick a different folder for "home"13:33
lbtyou don't use NFS or anything for /home do you?13:34
auri__no I dont13:35
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lbtsanity checking :)13:36
lbtso, for now mkdir /srv/mer/ajana and chown it to you13:36
lbtthen map that to 'home'13:36
lbtthen reboot13:36
auri__ok13:36
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lbtauri__: did that work?13:42
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auri__http://picpaste.com/SharedFolders-5A9BsZSk.png and http://picpaste.com/Folders-GJIDPEIa.png and http://picpaste.com/Error01-YYfUcYXt.png13:44
auri__nope.. what am i doing wrong ? :(13:44
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lbtI'm going to rewrite the service13:45
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lbtand it doesn't help that systemd (well, my basic setup with it) makes it really hard to access the VM13:46
lbtnothing looks wrong there13:46
auri__:( hmm13:47
lbtthe problem is that to access the VM vdi you need to run qemu-nbd and  mount it using nbd module13:47
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Jake9xxlbt: I'll be updating the wiki pages today as I am doing a test install14:16
lbthold off a few mins14:16
lbtbuilding a new image14:16
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Jake9xxlbt: this will start in 2hrs or so no rush14:23
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lbtok14:27
lbtauri__: in the meantime ... building QtC ?14:30
auri__fingers crossed :)14:30
auri__checkout 2.6 branch14:30
auri__master is experimental14:30
lbtlets start with some urls :)14:30
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auri__http://qt.gitorious.org/qt-creator14:32
lbtcloning14:33
lbt2%14:33
lbt4%14:33
lbtI'll be a while...14:34
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* Stskeeps offers lbt a gigabit line made entirely out of shoelaces14:35
lbt:)14:36
lbtI bought a 2nd ADSL line14:36
lbtand 2 ADSL cards that can do bondin14:36
lbtg14:36
lbtof course they're binary blob driven, out of tree and don't actually co-exist in the same machine14:36
lbt*grr*14:36
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lbtonly spent about 10 mandays on that little problem so far...14:37
Jake9xxlbt: when making qtc remember to put -j<something>14:38
lbt64?14:38
Jake9xxor it might take a while14:38
* lbt hugs his SSD14:38
Jake9xxlbt: or 1024, depends on the # of your cores14:38
lbtand quietly refuses to look at the COBS monitor which didn't even go red. it just went down14:39
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Jake9xxlbt: well.. my jolla laptop is connected via wlan->n9->elisa and this mer laptop is usb->n701->dna.. maybe I'm back on broadband by monday.. let's see14:41
Jopethe jolla laptop has a cellmo built in14:42
Jopeat least most of the ones we had are 3g capable14:42
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Jake9xxJope: where is the sim?14:45
Jopeyou stick it under the battery14:53
Jopeor well the end of the slot is visible there14:53
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Jake9xxok, let's see14:57
lbtis anyone else having cobs webui issues?14:57
Jake9xx ssl_error_no_cypher_overlap ?14:59
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lbtno15:03
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lbtjust really sluggish pages15:06
lbtnow failing to upload on api15:06
lbtfe machines are practically idle15:07
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lbtpossibly the 7Gb logfiles15:10
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lbtphaeron: ping15:21
phaeronlbt: pong15:21
lbtcobs is fucked up15:21
lbtcan you bounce around some diagnostics with me15:22
lbtI can't push a 20Kb file15:22
lbtwhich I need for the SDK VM15:22
phaeronit was much more loaded some time ago https://build.pub.meego.com/monitor/old15:22
phaeronwebui loads fine15:23
lbtyep15:23
phaerondispatcher dead15:23
lbtI just stopped the dispatcher15:23
lbtmanually15:23
phaeronah15:23
lbtapi is being hit hard15:23
lbtby rozhkov apparently15:23
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lbtnot sure why - could just be a build in his area15:24
StskeepsJake9xx: using your indexer atm?15:24
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phaeronlbt: looking at logs15:28
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* phaeron cant's see issues15:30
lbtrestarting dispatcher then15:31
lbtso why can't I post a 20kb file?15:33
phaeronI just downloaded a big kernel tar using osc. uploading a small package now15:33
lbtusing SDK ?15:33
lbtcan you update your SDK : run sdk-version  to check the mer-core version15:34
phaeronwell using osc15:34
phaeronnot sdk15:34
lbtSDK osc15:35
phaeronok will retry that15:35
lbtwe played with m2crypto15:35
lbtthen :  sdkversion --sdk next --core <whatever>15:35
phaeronat least it's not the server15:35
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auri__lbt: calling it a day... hopefully monday will be our lucky day15:42
lbtyeah15:42
auri__whats the progress with QtC?15:42
lbtsorry15:42
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lbtcloning15:42
lbtany more instructions?15:42
auri__nope.. jus tqmake -r && mk15:42
auri__*qmake -r && mk15:43
auri__make15:43
auri__have a nice weekend..15:43
lbtyou said I needed to build Qt ?15:43
auri__not really. you can install the qt-devel15:43
lbtOK15:43
lbtyou too then15:43
auri__just make sure you have qmake in your path15:43
auri__Qt 4.8.3 (i think is the latest)15:44
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vgradeevening all17:44
Stskeepsevening vgrade17:44
Stskeepshow was your week?17:44
vgradegood17:44
CosmoHillhello17:44
vgradelots of toys arrived this week, hw and sw17:45
CosmoHillmy week has also been good :)17:45
vgradeCosmoHill: hi17:45
vgradeStskeeps: how was your trip17:45
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vgradeStskeeps: can we plan for the next step for Pi?17:46
Stskeepsvgrade: well, what do you consider the next step?17:46
vgradedon't know really , you mentioned Qtwayland17:47
Stskeepsthat's one way yes17:47
Stskeepsdoes eglfs work proper and SR's accepted?17:47
vgradeyup17:47
Stskeepscool17:48
vgradefixed the 1/2 size and bcm lib ref, totally using kulves package configs now17:48
CosmoHillmy pi is still unloved17:48
Stskeepsyou should put mer on it then17:48
CosmoHillI think i have an old mer on it17:48
vgrade git clone git://gitorious.org/qt/qtsensors.git17:49
vgradewoops17:49
CosmoHillgit: command not found17:49
* CosmoHill reads the channel topic for the first time17:50
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CosmoHillwhen it's mer's birthday?17:52
Stskeepshmm17:52
CosmoHillit's sometime this month17:52
vgradeCosmoHill: I mentioned we should do something for it a while back17:52
Stskeeps16 days ago it seems17:52
CosmoHillvgrade: I have your build on a SD card17:53
Stskeeps03/10/1117:53
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vgrade:)17:53
vgradevery early build17:53
CosmoHilltbh I'm pretty bored in the evenings now :( it would be cool to work on something and learn more HTML517:53
* Stskeeps is happy mer has lasted a year17:54
vgradeCosmoHill: don't think we have HTML517:54
* CosmoHill hands everyone a cupcake with a candle in it 17:54
vgradeStskeeps: does noy feel like a year17:54
Stskeepsyeah, feels like 5 ;)17:54
VDVsxStskeeps, isn't mer technically much older than that ? if you count the maemo times :)17:57
CosmoHillthe mer project is based in Reading? awesome17:57
CosmoHillI've been here a long time and this is the first time I've been on the website i think :/17:57
vgradeVDVsx: it is, its what got me hooked with the O2 joggler ages ago17:57
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vgradeStskeeps: so whats involved in getting a wayland desktop up?17:58
CosmoHillvgrade: where can i download a pi image of mer?17:58
vgradeCosmoHill: sec, I'll get one uploading17:59
CosmoHillmerci17:59
Stskeepsvgrade,in a train so have difficulties explaing properly17:59
Stskeepsa lot of latency17:59
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vgradeStskeeps: no probs we can chat anytime, ping me18:01
vgradenew chromebooks look nice18:04
RaYmAnvery much so! <3 Cortex A15 :)18:08
vgradeRaYmAn: hi, armnetbook guys must be droolng18:08
vgradewhat does Cros use for its gfx stack?18:09
Stskeepslast i saw.. x18:09
Stskeepsbut i may be wrong18:09
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vgradeno hexxeh in here18:10
Stskeepsyeah, he'd be good to ask18:11
RaYmAnvgrade: very much so I think :) Mali T6xx and such :)18:11
RaYmAnyeah, I think it's X iirc18:11
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JohnMoreHello everyone I'm new here have some questions on project Mer capabilities is anyone free for answering?18:40
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Stskeepssure, always :)18:41
Stskeepsfeel free to ask at any time, too18:41
JohnMorethanks18:41
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JohnMoreI'm checking out alternatives on Android after all the patent problems the manufacturers are seeing18:42
JohnMorepaying comissions to microsoft or being sued by oracle18:42
JohnMorei loved the concept of project mer18:42
JohnMoreand basically my question is18:42
JohnMoreis Project Mer ready for primetime┬┤18:42
JohnMore?18:42
dm8tbrit's just an operating system core18:43
Stskeepsi'd like to think it is - but remember that Mer is just one part of the puzzle. Mer doesn't contain a UI or hardware adaptations18:43
JohnMoreas in going against Android or iOS as a third alternative?18:43
Stskeepsthat is built on top18:43
Stskeepsso what we do is enable others to do great things18:43
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dm8tbrthink jolla18:43
CosmoHillhey dm8tbr18:43
JohnMoreI understand that18:43
dm8tbror plasmaactive18:43
JohnMorebut at its core does project mer deal with things like multi-thread processing18:44
StskeepsJohnMore: so it really depends on the use case too :)18:44
JohnMoreharvesting hardware acceleration?18:44
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Stskeepsit basically gives you a core, ie, all the stuff you don't really want to deal with18:44
vgradeJohnMore: plasma active guys build on it, http://dot.kde.org/2012/10/15/plasma-active-3-improves-performance-brings-new-apps18:44
Stskeepslike system control, c libraries, QA systems/build farms, etc18:45
Stskeepsand makes sure everything sticks together, works, and is secure18:45
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JohnMoreI see18:45
Stskeepsyou can build a IVI system on top, a smart tv, a phone.. -- it's just a thing that makes life easier18:45
vgradedm8tbr: is bug10738 still in service?18:45
JohnMoreTizen Jolla and Plasma Active are all based on project mer?18:46
Stskeepsjolla, plasma active, but not tizen18:46
Stskeepstizen 2.0 stems from similar-ish starting point as mer though18:46
JohnMoreso what are the project mer limitations?18:47
JohnMoreas a starter package for a OS18:47
JohnMorenon existent?18:47
Stskeepswell, the problem is always hardware adaptation availability - non-android adaptations are hard to get buy for reference devices18:48
Stskeepsbut we have technology in works that has succesfully allowed us to leverage these18:48
JohnMoreand what's the prevalent language for programming?18:48
Stskeepsit's really up to you :) we don't share a common app story18:48
Stskeepsand some software has one language, another has another18:49
JohnMoreso theoretically18:49
JohnMorewith a lot of work18:49
JohnMoreyou could build a mobile oriented OS with the same capabilities of say an iOS?18:49
Stskeepscorrect18:50
Stskeepswiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo is a open source attempt at a smartphone OS, as an example18:50
Stskeepsthe thing is that everybody disagrees on how to do a mobile OS, so we work together in Mer on the parts we do agree on :)18:50
JohnMorelol18:50
JohnMoreI see18:50
Stskeepsbecause every non android linux mobile platform ends up looking similar anyway18:51
JohnMoreand what are those core modules18:51
JohnMoreis there a list somewhere?18:51
Stskeepsgitweb.merproject.org may be good to browse through18:51
JohnMoreand being MeeGo based18:51
Stskeepsand wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Architecture explains some of the architectural choices18:51
Stskeepsmer isn't only code though, it's also test sets, QA tools, build farms, etc18:53
StskeepsSDKs, image creators, packaging helpers, .. and so on18:53
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rcgplus all the helpful beings hanging e.g. around here :)18:54
JohnMore_sorry my connection has seemed to fail18:54
rcglike Stskeeps etc.18:54
JohnMore_I was asking if there could be any kind of patent problems with nokia18:54
JohnMore_being meego based18:54
JohnMore_or am i just being paranoid?18:54
StskeepsJohnMore_, i'll catch you up with a link to our irc logs, moment18:55
JohnMore_thanks18:55
Stskeepshttp://merproject.org/logs/%23mer/%23mer.2012-10-19.log.html18:55
JohnMore_i'm using irc on the browser (been a while since I had a real irc client aka mIRC)18:55
rcguhm Stskeeps while you have that link, could you update the topic accordingly?18:55
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Stskeepsregarding patents - for various reasons i don't want to discuss exact patents, but you have to remember that what mer truly is, is basically linux suited for mobile.. all the UI stuff is where the really challenging parts are18:56
JohnMore_so theoretically18:56
Stskeepsie, mer may actually have less problematics than a typical ubuntu, which delivers a UI along18:56
JohnMore_with a different UI approach18:56
JohnMore_mer could be troll patent free?18:57
Stskeepsi think that may be a dream only, but it would certainly have different issues18:58
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Stskeepspersonally i want mer to enable small to medium businesses18:58
Stskeepsmake them able to go from prototype to product fast18:58
Stskeepswith new exciting and innovative devices, uis18:58
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rcgany op here to update the link to the irc logs mentioned in the channel topic?18:59
Stskeepsi'll do it..18:59
rcggreat :)18:59
JohnMore_that's exactly what we wanted19:00
JohnMore_so that we can get to market quickly with our product19:00
JohnMore_may I ask your opinion on Jolla and plasma active?19:00
JohnMore_are they strong mature os's?19:01
StskeepsJohnMore_: so what do you hope to hope to do with mer, out of curiousity?19:01
StskeepsJohnMore_: personally i work with jolla, but at same time i'm mer project architect. Jolla will showcase their UX (commercial company, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jolla ) next month19:01
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StskeepsJohnMore_: plasma active is part of KDE community and is a good open source project19:02
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JohnMore_Sorry Stskeeps how can I answer you privately from my browser?19:02
StskeepsJohnMore_: ah, if you can't answer in public it's fine :) just pondering general field19:02
Stskeepsi would encourage you to investigate mer a little deeper, look at the technologies involved, the SDK, documentation, community, etc19:03
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Stskeepsand naturally look at other offerings around so you can compare19:03
JohnMore_Stskeeps I would love to chat some more with you in private19:03
JohnMore_is there any way we can do it?19:03
StskeepsJohnMore_:  write /query Stskeeps19:03
Stskeepsbut be aware i'm in a train and i loose connection once in a while :)19:03
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JohnMore__mr Stskeeps are you still there ?19:17
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iekkueh19:18
CosmoHillhey iekku19:20
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iekkuahoy CosmoHill19:34
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Jake9xxlbt: I'll be at office tomorrow, this connection speed is driving me nuts. One question : are we now using chroot x86 image or vm one?20:12
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CosmoHillvgrade: any word on that pi image yet?20:53
CosmoHillcat_x301: how many devices do you have?20:53
phaeronlbt: ping20:54
vgradehaving dropbox issues, had to install the liunx client as the web interface crashed my browser20:54
vgrade1 min left20:54
CosmoHillcool20:54
CosmoHillI've not used dropbox in a while20:55
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CosmoHillhave you guys heard of basecamp or teamlab?20:57
vgradeCosmoHill: no20:58
CosmoHillthey're web based project management tools20:59
vgradehttps://dl-web.dropbox.com/get/Public/rasp-pi/pi-qt5-plugin.img.gz?w=984a37bc20:59
CosmoHillwe started using teamlab at work20:59
CosmoHillerror 40321:00
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cat_x301CosmoHill: err.. you mean a10 devices or in general? :)21:04
CosmoHillthe former...then the later :p21:04
cat_x301CosmoHill: 1 to 10 maybe.. need to count really :D21:05
CosmoHillyou sound like me21:05
CosmoHilli can probably reach double figures by just counting the ones in sit21:06
CosmoHillsight*21:06
cat_x301today got one more, tp-link 302021:06
vgradedropbox fail, please wait...21:06
CosmoHill*elevator music*21:07
vgradehttp://dl.dropbox.com/u/5715485/rasp-pi/pi-qt5-plugin.img.gz21:10
CosmoHillthat's downloading21:12
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vgradeqmlscene -platform eglfsrpi *.qml21:14
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* CosmoHill blinks21:14
CosmoHillyes master?21:15
vgradein particles, qt-cinematic, minimer dirs21:15
CosmoHillonce I've booted it?21:16
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vgradeCosmoHill: you need to ctrl alt F2 to get a login (root/rootme), then init 3  to stop uxlaunch trying to launch X21:18
CosmoHillokay, about 6 mins to download21:19
vgradeteamlab restricted to 10MB upload21:20
CosmoHilli believe you can upgrade21:21
vgradeand link to dropbox21:23
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* CosmoHill gets out his pi for the first time in months21:46
vgrade:)21:48
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CosmoHilltime sudo dd if=~/Downloads/pi-qt5-plugin.img of=/dev/disk1 bs=409621:51
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vgradeCosmoHill: .21:51
vgradeCosmoHill: ..21:52
vgradeCosmoHill: ...21:52
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CosmoHill?21:53
CosmoHillyeah it's slow21:53
vgradeCosmoHill: I've gone grey waiting for images. We should try nfs21:57
ali1234tip: if dd'ing to a usb flash drive or sd card, set the io scheduler for the device to deadline or noop21:58
CosmoHillI bought a  16GB class 10 SD card21:58
ali1234anything but CFS basically21:58
CosmoHillbut I never opened it until last month and used it on my camera21:58
CosmoHillit's got like 200 touring car pics and videos on here21:58
ali1234echo deadline | tee /sys/block/sdb/queue/scheduler21:58
ali1234er, sudo tee21:58
vgradeali1234: \o21:59
ali1234see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/103051621:59
MerbotUbuntu bug 1030516 in linux (Ubuntu) "152d:2338 High IO when writing to USB devices" [High,Expired]21:59
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CosmoHillali1234: cool, on a mac here21:59
ali1234well, then you're beyond help :)21:59
CosmoHillseems so22:00
CosmoHillit's a 7 year old laptop with a ppc processor22:00
ali1234maybe it has something similar, i dunno. or maybe the image is just hude22:00
ali1234it used to take me like 2 hours to write the mer/n900 images to SD card, and the computer would hang all the time while doing it22:01
CosmoHillsod that22:01
CosmoHillI wish I used the class 10 now22:01
ali1234was nothing to do with the SD card, it was linux trying to prematurely optimize the writes22:02
ali1234which is unnecessary on a flash based device22:02
CosmoHillit would be cool if we cos do some kinda rsync updatre22:04
vgradestores the echo deadline22:04
vgradebut is past the point of going grey22:05
ali1234also nfs is great when you're doing build/reboot/test constantly22:05
vgradeali1234: we should get that working for mer22:05
ali1234i like to use gentoo to get an absolute minimal userspace for testing kernel stuff, plus i can chroot to it easily to build new packages i need on the fly on the build machine22:05
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ali1234well, for x86 work i can. not so much for arm22:06
ali1234yeah would be nice if mer had like a nfs-kickstart or something22:07
ali1234i dunno, if kickstart handles that stuff? ie write to the export directory rather than an image?22:08
vgrademic can do fs22:08
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ali1234gentoo is great for this because the procedure is always the same. untar base, chroot, ...22:10
ali1234just do it in the nfs folder instead of the root of the partition22:10
ali1234and by definitio it's self hosting so you don't need anything outside the chroot cluttering up your dev machine :)22:10
ali1234so what's the default hardware adaptation for mer x86?22:11
CosmoHillsudo kill -INFO 65422:12
CosmoHill2199814144 bytes transferred in 1299.781764 secs (1692449 bytes/sec)22:12
CosmoHill:)22:12
CosmoHilli think on linux it's USR122:13
ali1234yes22:13
ali1234or use the dd-with-progress-bar thing22:13
CosmoHillabout 1/3 done22:15
vgradeali https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=CE%3AAdaptation%3Ax86-generic22:15
ali1234there was never a 64 bit version, right?22:16
ali1234and i still need i486 for amd (not bulldozer)22:16
CosmoHillamd i486?22:16
ali1234the SSSE4 stuff...22:17
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CosmoHilli was thinking proper i48622:17
ali1234well, last i checked, i586 doesn't actually mean anything officially22:17
ali1234in meego it meant core2 or better, specifically needing SSSE4 that AMD chips didn't have22:18
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ali1234and mer i486 is much more generic and should work on a real 486 in theory, i think22:18
vgradeali1234: mer should not have the same restrictions,  pign lbt, Stskeeps if you need another arch22:19
CosmoHillhttp://black-flag.co.uk/files/meego-on-p4.jpg22:19
ali1234vgrade: Stskeeps and i made the i486 packages, and this was the state back then22:19
ali1234actually it only needed two patches, one in gcc and one in glibc, iirc22:20
ali1234and basically "just worked"22:20
vgradeCosmoHill: i remember that one22:20
CosmoHill:022:20
ali1234yeah. notice that the UI doesn't work :)22:21
CosmoHillor rpm22:21
CosmoHillno, rpm did work but zypper didn't22:22
ali1234lots of stuff, since glibc had all the hardcoded optimizations22:22
vgradeali1234: meego wanted you to use Atom22:22
ali1234i don't think gcc ever generated any SSSE4 instructions22:22
ali1234vgrade: yep, i know, i was there :)22:22
CosmoHillnot long to go22:23
vgradeCosmoHill: .....22:23
CosmoHillyeah22:23
CosmoHillI'd probably want to go to bed once it's done tho22:24
vgradehttp://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20012421, dirty Leeds22:25
CosmoHill404, dirty bbc22:26
ali1234remove ,22:27
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CosmoHillwhat's the channel rules on swearing?22:29
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CosmoHillreal39m55.926s22:30
CosmoHillabout time22:30
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vgradeboots ?22:33
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CosmoHillit boots22:37
CosmoHillcouldn't find my usb charger22:37
CosmoHillhow old is this image?22:38
CosmoHilli'm at the boot screen22:42
vgradegood22:42
vgraded22:42
CosmoHillget something like "failed to write entry, ignoring: argument list too long"22:42
vgradehave you logged in root/rootme22:43
CosmoHillno, I was looking for that instructions in my log22:43
vgradectrl alt F222:43
CosmoHillI'm in22:44
vgradeinit 322:44
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CosmoHilldone22:44
vgradeto stop uxlaunch trying to start x22:44
CosmoHillwould that be the annoying error that repeats?22:44
vgradeyou then should have minimer dir22:45
CosmoHillyep22:45
vgradeonce in qmlscene -platform eglfsrpi *.qml22:46
CosmoHilloooo22:46
vgradeand similar in particles and cinematic dirs22:47
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CosmoHill62 / 63fps22:47
vgradeyou can edit the qml and change the parameters of the zoon, rotate22:49
vgradei still glance down at the tiny board amd think wow22:50
vgradeand not amd22:51
CosmoHillhehe22:52
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vgradetime for bed here, hope the dl was worth it22:53
CosmoHillit was, thanks :)22:53
vgradecrevetor: hi, just been testing the pi mer build with CosmoHill22:53
CosmoHillvgrade: I should sent you my .vimrc file22:54
vgradecrevetor:  http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5715485/rasp-pi/pi-qt5-plugin.img.gz22:55
CosmoHillhow do I get one of them to run full screen22:56
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* CosmoHill has never used QML before22:56
vgradecheck the logs CosmoHill the image i posted was a wip22:58
CosmoHillto the logs! *batman music*22:58
vgradethere is a new repo which includes a version which does fullscreen22:58
vgradeI'll post later if thats OK23:00
CosmoHillsure23:00
CosmoHillgood work btw23:02
vgradeCosmoHill: just edit main.qml for minimer23:02
CosmoHillI've changed the width and height to that of my monitor23:03
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vgradeI have a 1/2 scale in that image23:05
vgradefor testing23:05
vgradecatch you tommorow23:05
CosmoHillcyas23:05
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CosmoHillcyas23:17
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