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| situ | Morning everyone | 04:42 |
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| lpotter | hi | 04:48 |
| situ | Anyone read http://taskumuro.com/artikkelit/nokia-meegon-tarina,10 ? | 04:55 |
| Bostik | oh yes | 05:01 |
| Bostik | (well, the Finnish one) | 05:01 |
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| iekku | situ, was interesting article | 05:09 |
| timoph | yep | 05:13 |
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| iekku | started laugh when i saw "nok" handshake picture... | 05:51 |
| situ | How many people think that Elop's north american view of designing smartphones is correct ? | 05:57 |
| E-P | Morning | 05:58 |
| iekku | situ, i think you don't see many "o/" in this channel :P | 05:59 |
| VDVsx | situ, he's Canadian, maybe he's using "Canadian view" :) | 06:02 |
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| Jake9xx | morning | 06:06 |
| Bostik | well, he *did* have a point but somehow I think nobody connected the dots: north american tech products (and phones in particular) get disproportionate amount of media exposure - and as any advertising bloke will tell us, no such thing as bad publicity... | 06:06 |
| Jake9xx | situ: he actually even tried to get small canadian companies to do qt/qml apps for something which cannot be disclosed ehre | 06:09 |
| Jake9xx | s/ehre/here | 06:09 |
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| Jake9xx | situ: so that's his canadian view ; but - it I'd be working as a Finnish CEO outside Finland I'd try to pull in other Finnish companies , nothing wrong in that | 06:10 |
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| Jake9xx | iekku: I agree with most of the story, he does not highlight the ovibious issue though : N___a should have understood long time ago that there is no point to keep the old symbian ui and enable that technology that was in the works. For many years product mgmt just postponed the inevitable and even the S60 5.0 looked exactly like 3.x. Parallel to this , it is amazing to read that linux activities were slown down by prioritizing symbian and at the same time on sy | 06:14 |
| Jake9xx | so if the good guys were not in harmattan/meego and not in symbian -- where were they? | 06:14 |
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| iekku | Jake9xx, your sentence stopped at "at the same time on sy..." | 06:15 |
| Jake9xx | iekku: ? | 06:16 |
| Bostik | Jake9xx: you hit irc's 512-character message limit and got truncated | 06:16 |
| iekku | Jake9xx, that was last what i saw in your line to me | 06:16 |
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| Jake9xx | iekku: ...on symbian camp we had nothing but below average developers because all the top notch guys were doing harmattan/meego | 06:17 |
| iekku | :D | 06:17 |
| iekku | i have seen all kind of developers in both | 06:18 |
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| Bostik | but since symbian was the cash-cow, it was apparently politically impossible to even suggest cannibalising it by building something better | 06:18 |
| Jake9xx | f.ex there is a legenday bug reported on N8 ; there was a memory leak on one component and we traced it down and send the info to the person in charge -> here's the problem with closed source --> you find a bug, you fix it but you cannot submit it because mr/mrs/ms X is the authorized developer | 06:18 |
| iekku | when reading the article it needs to be noticed how frustrated people still might be | 06:18 |
| Bostik | "please insert head here" -posterior post-it note | 06:19 |
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| Jake9xx | in that bug report the original developer is saying "there was not memory leak, there was a temporary buffer that was not deleted, but it was not a memory leak" | 06:20 |
| ravirdv | why didn't they use Symbian for lower end i.e Asha instead of continuing S40? they could atleast got a better sdk | 06:20 |
| iekku | Jake9xx, :D | 06:20 |
| Bostik | then again, they're not the first company to jealously guard their flagship products from internal competition... | 06:20 |
| iekku | that's shame | 06:20 |
| Jake9xx | Bostik: remember what happend at Sun on the sun OS vs. solaris thingy? | 06:21 |
| iekku | but i quess when company gets big enough... | 06:21 |
| Jake9xx | and as OSX is using the UI from NeXT, what happened to the lower layers of NeXT ? | 06:21 |
| Bostik | Jake9xx: I was thinking of even more recent example - Intel and their consumer-line motherboards vs. Xeon servers | 06:21 |
| Jake9xx | Bostik: I haven't followed that scene for ages, laptop with i7 is sufficient for me | 06:22 |
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| Jake9xx | ravirdv: there are two things here... original symbian could fit to device with 8MB ram, even with graphics and touch ui | 06:23 |
| Jake9xx | ravirdv: the sh^H^Hbad stuff on top of that is the AvKon which happened because nokia re-invented wheel with symbian os | 06:23 |
| Bostik | Jake9xx: Xeon motherboards are "high-water mark", and no consumer products, even from the top-of-the-line i7 family, are allowed to offer better capabilities - if it was possible to use good i7 mobos instead of Xeon mobos, who would want to buy the expensive server stuff? | 06:24 |
| Jake9xx | ravirdv: but that OS has the same problems as MSFT stuff - it's not f.ex POSIX compatible thus making most of OSS developers pee on it. I don't understand why it is so hard not to use existing open standards and _NOT_ reinventing wheel and introducing stuff that is a)needlessly complicated and b)utterly dead-endish. Android is exactly the same with Dalvik vs. real Java. Wonder how long they have to go? 2 years | 06:25 |
| ravirdv | thats what I think about Android, anyway about Symbian, I thought it was POSIX compatible | 06:31 |
| Jake9xx | ravirdv: not out of the box. There came a OpenC implementation but... | 06:32 |
| ravirdv | ya I remeber PIPS | 06:32 |
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| Jake9xx | for the developer story, I think it's vital that what ever we as community promise to avg.developer on the backwards compatibility et al, we need to keep | 06:33 |
| Jake9xx | that is something nokia failed over and over again. Now even apple is repeating those mistakes | 06:33 |
| ravirdv | Jake9xx: what do you think about BB10? | 06:36 |
| Jake9xx | ravirdv: I don't say anything until I have had time to study the playbook in detail (and first get time to go and buy one) | 06:37 |
| ravirdv | I did try the UI, it's almost similar to N9's swipe UI | 06:38 |
| Jake9xx | ravirdv: but in order for the mer qt sdk story to be compliant, the developer experience must be at least as easy as with theirs | 06:38 |
| Jake9xx | IMO developing for devices currently (android, ios wp) is troublesome and requires comples system to do it (xcode is the only alternative for iphone, for android you propably need Eclipse or something (and it already went on wrong track with the word E..) | 06:40 |
| Jake9xx | WP is PITA, you need a _LOT_ of unnecessary sw installed to your PC if you want to try your stuff on real device, and you need to pay annual developer FEE in order to do it... | 06:40 |
| Jake9xx | with qt creator coding, debugging, profiling etc on N9 is _so_ simple it's amazing that people want to struggle with f.ex Eclipse | 06:41 |
| Jake9xx | *inhale* *exhale* *inhale*.. ok, back to work | 06:42 |
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| ravirdv | Jake9xx: I agree, out of all platforms I tried I found developing for N9 extremely simple. | 06:44 |
| Jake9xx | ravirdv: true, and the development cycle for Symbian devices running Qt4 are almost on par... | 06:45 |
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| Stskeeps | god morning | 07:49 |
| RaYmAn | God morning to you too :P | 07:50 |
| Stskeeps | stayed up till 3:30am, so a bit tired :P | 07:51 |
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| slaine | Amen | 07:51 |
| slaine | moat coffee needed | 07:51 |
| slaine | moar even | 07:51 |
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| lpotter | heh | 07:53 |
| lpotter | coffee all around! | 07:53 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: Have you had your morning coffee yet? :) | 08:04 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: only at hotel :P | 08:04 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: now i am ready to test libhybris on hi3716c ics. I successfully run xbmc on hi3716c ics. so when you have time , we can do that :) | 08:05 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: and i have one question, that is how to start. can i do some preparation work for this? or just follow your instruction? | 08:06 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: if it's ICS you need to do a custom android build with this patch: http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/nomoar.patch - don't use this as a normal android setup | 08:07 |
| Stskeeps | you can use make BUILD_TINY_ANDROID=true libc | 08:07 |
| Stskeeps | to only build that part | 08:07 |
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| Stskeeps | it applies against bionic/ | 08:08 |
| Bostik | nice error handling for development, "method not overridden, die..." | 08:09 |
| Stskeeps | Bostik: yep, not exactly a production patch | 08:10 |
| Stskeeps | just wanted to make sure no internal stuff uses it | 08:10 |
| Bostik | fail early, fail often, fail without fail | 08:10 |
| Bostik | I like it, tbh | 08:10 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: where to set " BUILD_TINY_ANDROID=true"? | 08:11 |
| Bostik | make command line | 08:11 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: when you're about to make android, after chooseproduct and choosevariant | 08:11 |
| Stskeeps | then you just use make BUILD_TINY_ANDROID=true libc | 08:11 |
| Stskeeps | 'make BUILD_TINY_ANDROID=true libc' | 08:12 |
| Stskeeps | that is | 08:12 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: Bostik: OK. | 08:12 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: and if I build ics successfully, then I can burn system image etc to flash, just as before? | 08:13 |
| Stskeeps | nop, we only need the libc.so and so on | 08:13 |
| Stskeeps | you shouldn't try to flash this image, it will not work :) | 08:14 |
| Stskeeps | what we're interested in is /system/lib/libc.so and so on | 08:14 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: ah, that is, i just need to replace libc.so? | 08:14 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: so what you need is a copy of your /system and /vendor from your android system and copy it into mer | 08:15 |
| Stskeeps | ie, so you have /system and /vendor in mer too | 08:15 |
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| Stskeeps | and then we put our modified /system/lib/libc.so and so on on top of that | 08:16 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: (1) build a mer rootfs; (2) copy /system and /vendor of ics to mer; (3) replace libc.so. Are those steps right? | 08:17 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: (4) turn the modified mer rootfs to modified_mer.yaffs; (5) burn modified_mer.yaffs to flash. | 08:20 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: no hurry. I will be doing this in the following days, so i can wait when you are convinent :) | 08:21 |
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| Stskeeps | sonach: correct | 08:29 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: cool. then it seems that I have a lot of to do, especially build a mer rootfs for hi3716c and this mer rootfs can work fine. | 08:30 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: yes, don't bother about getting xorg up and so on | 08:31 |
| Stskeeps | just boot to console | 08:31 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: ok, that is just boot up the BASE system and can see the login prompt, | 08:32 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 08:34 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: and what mer release is ok for this test? the latest release? | 08:36 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 08:37 |
| sonach | ok | 08:37 |
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| situ | Stskeeps: I don't know why Dependency build checker failed here http://review.merproject.org/#change,888 ? | 09:07 |
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| Stskeeps | situ: sage's fault | 09:10 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: what? :D | 09:13 |
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| Stskeeps | pq: http://pastie.org/5031141 seems to be mostly working with libhybris btw | 10:29 |
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| Stskeeps | lo vgrade | 10:33 |
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| pq | Stskeeps, heyy, nice :-) | 10:35 |
| Stskeeps | (thanks to morphis and the webos guys) | 10:35 |
| vgrade | Stskeeps: \o | 10:37 |
| pq | Stskeeps, where are the calls to libhybris? | 10:40 |
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| Stskeeps | pq: transparent | 10:41 |
| Stskeeps | pq: uses egl directly | 10:41 |
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| Stskeeps | libhybris provides the libEGL / libGLESv2 so | 10:41 |
| pq | you mean you have your own libEGL wrapper running now? | 10:41 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, long ago | 10:41 |
| Stskeeps | ie, no more weird function pointer stuff | 10:41 |
| pq | that's really great! | 10:42 |
| pq | ahah, I just forgot, that it was already there when I played with it myself :-D | 10:43 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 10:43 |
| pq | I just spent more time looking at the wrappers and linker, than the test app | 10:43 |
| pq | so forgot what the test apps looked like | 10:43 |
| pq | that pastie makes it look really simple, doesn't it? | 10:44 |
| pq | no C++ to care for | 10:45 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, possibly | 10:45 |
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| mikhas | pq, so what are your plans now? | 11:29 |
| mikhas | spending a bit more time with android again? | 11:29 |
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| pq | mikhas, something else than android for now, I just want to keep in touch with hybris for the future | 11:32 |
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| francois_ | hello there | 17:09 |
| francois_ | I have just bootstrapped my Core:sh4 project and can build the initial packages locally using osc | 17:10 |
| Stskeeps | congratulations :) | 17:10 |
| francois_ | :) | 17:10 |
| francois_ | well... | 17:10 |
| Stskeeps | can i see a readelf -A of your /bin/sh, out of curiousity? | 17:10 |
| francois_ | the OBS server is now scheduling packages but no actual build happens :( | 17:11 |
| francois_ | yes | 17:11 |
| Stskeeps | it is sometimes a bit slow with a fakeobs | 17:11 |
| francois_ | readelf -A doesn't show anything | 17:12 |
| francois_ | neither does it on my debian machine | 17:13 |
| Stskeeps | ok, maybe nothing special | 17:14 |
| Stskeeps | how about 'file' ? | 17:14 |
| francois_ | $ file /var/tmp/build-root/target/bin/bash /var/tmp/build-root/target/bin/bash: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Renesas SH, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.32, not stripped | 17:14 |
| Stskeeps | cool | 17:14 |
| Stskeeps | good work :) | 17:14 |
| Stskeeps | how much modification did you need to packages? | 17:14 |
| francois_ | I had a hard time finding out all the bootstrap packages though ^^ | 17:14 |
| Stskeeps | hm, didn't i give you the list? | 17:15 |
| francois_ | nope | 17:15 |
| Stskeeps | or did it get bigger since last | 17:15 |
| Stskeeps | ah, i'm sorry then | 17:15 |
| francois_ | no pb I would have been eager to find it too anyway | 17:15 |
| francois_ | in short here's my list: binutils kernel-headers glibc gcc expat setup filesystem zlib bzip2 file xz ncurses elfutils popt attr db4 pam libcap nspr readline sqlite nss rpm texinfo bash diffutils openssl ca-certificates make acl coreutils libidn lua curl sed tar tzdata autoconf automake pkgconfig gdbm perl cpio gawk pcre grep gzip unzip patch m4 findutils build build-compare rpmlint-MeeGo rpmlint-mini net-tools groff shadow-utils mer-re | 17:17 |
| Stskeeps | pastie.org probably better | 17:17 |
| francois_ | ok sorry | 17:17 |
| Stskeeps | mostly because it got cut off :) | 17:18 |
| Stskeeps | and that list does seem about right | 17:18 |
| Stskeeps | my list is on a different harddisk that i can't reach right now anyway, but it looks correct | 17:18 |
| francois_ | :) | 17:19 |
| francois_ | I got some trickey things with the %find_lang macro for instance | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | meego-rpm-config is a nightmare in that regard | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | i've been meaning to fix it but.... :P | 17:19 |
| francois_ | it expects the filesystem package to be installed.... | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | francois_: i would like to congratulate you on doing something that not many people can do in the world :) | 17:20 |
| francois_ | lol | 17:20 |
| francois_ | thanks! | 17:20 |
| francois_ | I used the Mer:SDK to build the bootstrap | 17:20 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 17:20 |
| francois_ | that was cool too | 17:20 |
| Stskeeps | i didn't have that luxury back then myself, but good to know it works | 17:21 |
| Stskeeps | so what's the OBS problem? that packages don't get scheduled? | 17:21 |
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| francois_ | they do get scheduled | 17:21 |
| francois_ | but the job does not seem to be sent to the workers | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | ok, do you have Hostarch indicated? | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | and what architecture is the workers? | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | i586 or x86_64 ? | 17:22 |
| francois_ | x86_64 | 17:23 |
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| Stskeeps | ok, verify that prjconf has a Hostarch: x86_64 then | 17:23 |
| Stskeeps | for your SH build | 17:24 |
| Stskeeps | i586 is also ok | 17:24 |
| francois_ | mmm there's no Hostarch in my prjconf | 17:24 |
| francois_ | or it gets inherited from Core:i586 | 17:24 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 17:24 |
| francois_ | I kept the sh4 prjconf really simple | 17:24 |
| Stskeeps | also, look in your /srv/obs/log and /srv/obs/jobs | 17:25 |
| Stskeeps | and see how they get stuck | 17:25 |
| Stskeeps | maybe it's looking for actual sh4 hw workers | 17:25 |
| Stskeeps | dispatcher would be the one to look at | 17:28 |
| francois_ | well there is a difference between the the bzip2 job file on the server and the local one I get from osc (_buildinfo-Core_sh4-sh4.xml) | 17:28 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, that's not totally impossible, but which difference? | 17:29 |
| francois_ | in the local one I have version, release, arch, project... xml attributes | 17:29 |
| Stskeeps | it's actually two different pieces of code, i was kind of upset when finding that out too | 17:29 |
| francois_ | and none of those on the server | 17:29 |
| Stskeeps | that's normally ok.. it's more interesting however to see what path it puts it | 17:30 |
| francois_ | the paths look ok: Core:sh4 and Core:i586 | 17:32 |
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| francois_ | I screen'ed on the workers and didn't get anything either | 17:33 |
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| Stskeeps | ie, it should be in /srv/obs/jobs/i586 with name ::cross | 17:35 |
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| francois_ | my jobs are in /srv/obs/jobs/sh4/Core:sh4::Core_sh4::bzip2XXX | 17:36 |
| Stskeeps | anything in i586? | 17:37 |
| Stskeeps | or x86_64 | 17:37 |
| francois_ | no | 17:37 |
| francois_ | if I trigger a package from the mips project, I do get an entry in i586 and mips | 17:39 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 17:39 |
| francois_ | Maybe the hostarch then? | 17:39 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah probably.. go add Hostarch: i586 to sh4 project, then stop scheduler, rm the jobs in /srv/obs/jobs/sh4/* | 17:40 |
| Stskeeps | and start scheduler | 17:40 |
| Stskeeps | and it should divert the the right place | 17:41 |
| francois_ | it did create all the cross files :-) | 17:43 |
| francois_ | but still not building :( | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | give it a bit | 17:43 |
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| francois_ | yeah! | 17:46 |
| francois_ | it spun off! | 17:46 |
| francois_ | :-) | 17:46 |
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| francois_ | ok it seems to building now :-) | 17:51 |
| francois_ | thanks a lot! | 17:51 |
| francois_ | one step further ^^ | 17:52 |
| francois_ | I'll keep you posted anyway | 17:53 |
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| Stskeeps | cool | 17:53 |
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| Jake9xx | so, I've got the cordova built + packaged in my home:jake9xx in COBS | 18:39 |
| Stskeeps | cool | 18:39 |
| Jake9xx | should we package it to gitweb ? | 18:39 |
| Stskeeps | nah, put it in nemo first | 18:40 |
| Jake9xx | I don't have commit rights to it | 18:40 |
| Stskeeps | OBS SR | 18:40 |
| Jake9xx | no habla OBS | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | ..:P | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | obs submitreq | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | osc sr | 18:41 |
| Jake9xx | ah, of course :) | 18:41 |
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| Jake9xx | maybe it's just me but what's the official project name for nemo? nemomobile ? | 18:50 |
| Stskeeps | nemomobile.org | 18:50 |
| Stskeeps | because of commonality of nemo , so it's nemo mobile | 18:51 |
| Stskeeps | mobilus in mobilii, etc.. | 18:51 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:51 |
| Stskeeps | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Nemo | 18:52 |
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| Jake9xx | hmm.. ok, maybe it's the fact I've been too many hours doing something else... but I was kinda asking to which project I am requesting the sr | 18:52 |
| Stskeeps | what are it's dependencies? | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | just qt+qtwebkit, or more? | 18:54 |
| Jake9xx | pkgconfig(QtCore), qt-mobility-devel, libqtwebkit-devel, libqtopengl-devel,mesa-llvmpipe-libGLESv2-devel | 18:54 |
| Stskeeps | CE:MW:Shared then - also, you probably should use pkgconfig(glesv2) and pkgconfig(QtOpenGL) and pkgconfig(qtwebkit) | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | especially for the mesa one | 18:55 |
| Jake9xx | I had some build problems before, but I'll try with those | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | yep | 18:56 |
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| Jake9xx | yeah | 18:57 |
| Jake9xx | buildinfo is broken... it says: | 18:57 |
| Jake9xx | unresolvable: nothing provides pkgconfig(qtwebkit | 18:57 |
| Jake9xx | that was the thing | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | QtWebKit ? | 18:58 |
| Jake9xx | yup | 18:58 |
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| Jake9xx | with libqtwebkit-devel it goes thru nicely | 18:59 |
| * Jake9xx has a long and not oh, so pleasant history with webkit in general :) | 18:59 | |
| Stskeeps | well, as in, did pkgconfig(QtWebKit) works | 18:59 |
| Jake9xx | hmm | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | i don't think anybody likes webkit, or gecko, but they're a necessary evil | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:00 |
| Jake9xx | damn. it's case sensitive | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 19:01 |
| Jake9xx | qt-mobility cannot be interrogated via pkgconfig ? | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | i think you'd to use individual pkgconfigs and i don't recall them offhand | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:01 |
| Jake9xx | ash.. that shall be it for time being | 19:02 |
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| Jake9xx | created request id 6976 | 19:06 |
| Jake9xx | I'll write some notes for next one that runs into a wall :) | 19:06 |
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| Stskeeps | usually spectacle helps advise you the right way | 19:07 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:07 |
| Stskeeps | but the opinions on spectacle vary | 19:07 |
| Jake9xx | yeah, was thinking of it but was not familiar with it and openSUSE's pages were actually quite good | 19:07 |
| Jake9xx | also helped a bit to work on OBS in you-know-what | 19:07 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 19:08 |
| Jake9xx | s/to work/have been working | 19:08 |
| Stskeeps | http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/mindmap/OBS.html | 19:08 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:08 |
| Stskeeps | dumped a bunch of obs knowledge in that | 19:10 |
| Jake9xx | Sage_: Stskeeps pls delete 6976 and use 6977 instead. | 19:11 |
| Jake9xx | that's actually nice diagram | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | Jake9xx: you can use osc request to get rid of things yourself | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | i used this mindmap to explain obs to a bunch of people in some building in helsinki, though it wasn't my best presentation format | 19:12 |
| Stskeeps | but it's very useful to look up themes and issues | 19:16 |
| Jake9xx | how can you ask obs pkgconfig issues ? | 19:17 |
| Stskeeps | in terms of what provides what? | 19:17 |
| Jake9xx | exactly | 19:17 |
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| Stskeeps | probably a bad answer, but .. | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | http://releases.merproject.org/releases/0.20120920.1/builds/i486/packages/repodata/5f81fa68405d780f1d8ca556a837dead88251c4f72236292ac6da23133601a58-primary.xml.gz | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | search for pkgconfig( in it | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | we can -probably- script that | 19:19 |
| Jake9xx | yup | 19:19 |
| Jake9xx | you're right. it's bad answer but it's the best available :) | 19:20 |
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| Jake9xx | let's see what bossbot things about it... *fingers crossed* | 19:23 |
| Jake9xx | how can I clean my request-list of old/revoked requests? | 19:23 |
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| Stskeeps | osc request --help? | 19:24 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:24 |
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| Jake9xx | bossbot accepted | 19:24 |
| Jake9xx | nice | 19:24 |
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| Jake9xx | osc request list gives you the open ones, request -a list gives you all | 19:26 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 19:26 |
| Stskeeps | well old ones are still useful SRs mostly :P | 19:27 |
| Jake9xx | kinda ok I guess | 19:27 |
| Jake9xx | ok, zz seeya tomorrow | 19:27 |
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| ka6sox | Stskeeps, how much space should I allocate for a full build of Mer? | 19:45 |
| ka6sox | (or anyone :D) | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | ka6sox: the good news is that the actual building happens on our side, so we build source packages into RPMs | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | ka6sox: so the size of the rpms and the resulting image | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | of which you decide size of image | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | 10-15g should be fine as a workspace | 19:46 |
| ka6sox | ah, okay! | 19:46 |
| ka6sox | good. | 19:46 |
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| GeneralAntilles | w00t, haaaa. 2008 was so many years ago. | 20:34 |
| w00t | :-) | 20:34 |
| w00t | it's a bit fun to read things from that far back | 20:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | I tend to cringe. | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: back when tmo was useful and employees frollicked with community | 20:36 |
| w00t | well yeah | 20:36 |
| w00t | it's natural to cringe when you read things you wrote years ago | 20:36 |
| w00t | :P | 20:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | If Jolla ever has a community forum, it's going to need some very active moderation. | 20:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Where We Went Wrong: The maemo.org Story | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: don't worry, i've added abill_uk and Lumiaman to my contract conditions | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | "You must hunt them down and take away their internet access." | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 20:39 |
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| * Stskeeps misses old community and hopes to be in a place like that in future. | 20:41 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, there was something special about ITt | 20:42 |
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| lbt | nope - shame really | 20:58 |
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| CosmoHill | how many of you go to change IRC tab and close it by mistake? | 20:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | CosmoHill, put it on a keyboard shortcut. | 21:01 |
| CosmoHill | I have keybaord shortcuts too | 21:01 |
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| CosmoHill | night night | 21:47 |
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| eswues | hi | 23:43 |
| eswues | anybody here? | 23:44 |
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| eswues | mh. I was wandering; is it posible to install Mer on Android device? I have Superpad 6 tablet and can not stand Android on it :/ | 23:52 |
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