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| nawrocki | morning | 04:54 |
| Stskeeps | morn | 05:03 |
| situ | Morning everyone | 05:09 |
| Bostik | morning | 05:10 |
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| Stskeeps | Bostik: new mer release out with new toolchain | 05:16 |
| Bostik | whooo! | 05:20 |
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| Kypeli | Is it a known feature / bug that WiFi connection is lost after some time and can't connect to any WiFi anymore before doing "systemctl restart connman.service"? | 06:43 |
| Stskeeps | Kypeli: try iwconfig wlan0 power off | 06:43 |
| Stskeeps | does that help? | 06:43 |
| Kypeli | hmm. No. Restarted settings app too. I just can't select any of the listed WiFi networks in the settings app | 06:44 |
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| Kypeli | I can select an open network, but not secure one. | 06:45 |
| Kypeli | Disabling the "Wi-Fi networks" toggle and enabling it again made it reconnect to the known network. | 06:46 |
| Kypeli | But even with the toggle disabled it listed some networks, which sounds wrong. | 06:46 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 06:47 |
| Stskeeps | does dmesg list a crash? | 06:48 |
| Kypeli | wlan0: link is not ready | 06:48 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 06:48 |
| Kypeli | Stskeeps: And this after the device was previously connected to WiFi but has been idle for >~24h | 06:54 |
| Kypeli | Err.. even 12h | 06:54 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, hence me thinking PSM | 06:55 |
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| kontio | Kypeli, Stskeeps I observe the same, after some ~24 hours, wifi connection is lost and "systemctl restart connman.service" is needed to get it working and connecting again... | 06:59 |
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| Stskeeps | kontio: ok, log a bug in nemo | 07:22 |
| Stskeeps | morn cckwes | 07:22 |
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| cckwes | morning stskeeps :) | 07:34 |
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| ljp | 2 hours left for download. :( | 08:28 |
| Stskeeps | of? | 08:28 |
| ljp | nemo-handset image | 08:28 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 08:31 |
| Stskeeps | should be on CDN | 08:31 |
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| ljp | CDN? | 09:05 |
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| Stskeeps | content distribution network | 09:06 |
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| ljp | ahh.. I have AAS. Acronym Aversion Syndrome | 09:17 |
| ljp | comes from being employed by Nokia | 09:17 |
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| * Stskeeps ponders idly if he'll get the total patdown from taking 3 phones, one tablet and a big laptop along in plane.. | 09:21 | |
| Bostik | just channel your inner Lesley Nielsen when fondled | 09:22 |
| Bostik | loudly proclaim "I llove it!" | 09:22 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: the only place that is totally shitty about this is Poznań | 09:25 |
| dm8tbr | most other places don't give a fart | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: they just point your guns at you and take your tablet | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | er | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | their | 09:25 |
| dm8tbr | they made me empty my complete backpack, all the stuff | 09:25 |
| dm8tbr | took 3-4 additional boxes (add to the 5 usual boxes) | 09:26 |
| dm8tbr | because their x-ray operator sucked and they were (as usual) in an anal mood | 09:26 |
| dm8tbr | hasn't happened to me in AAAAAAges | 09:26 |
| dm8tbr | they make the TSA look like a fun park resort... | 09:27 |
| dm8tbr | oh, for bonus points the found _one_ of my screwdrivers and gave me crap about it | 09:27 |
| dm8tbr | emphasis on _one_ of them | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | TSA, beyond being incompentent, was surprisingily nicer than in europe.. incomponent: look at my ticket and put me in lane with 1000 people in it, 15 minutes later come and drag me out of queue | 09:28 |
| Stskeeps | in order to get me in front so i wouldnt miss my flight.. | 09:28 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:28 |
| dm8tbr | heh | 09:29 |
| dm8tbr | my dealing with TSA was surprisingly nice. seemed to be friendly an professional people at SFO | 09:29 |
| * Stskeeps ponders what else to pack | 09:30 | |
| Stskeeps | right, clothes.. | 09:30 |
| dm8tbr | details... | 09:30 |
| Stskeeps | is it warm underwear time in .fi yet? | 09:30 |
| Stskeeps | er, long | 09:30 |
| Jope | no | 09:31 |
| dm8tbr | nah | 09:31 |
| Jope | a jacket is enough | 09:31 |
| dm8tbr | it's still only raining. the percipitation is not solidifying yet | 09:31 |
| lbt | umbrella | 09:31 |
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| dm8tbr | lbt: well you should be used to the weather. make you feel at home. ;) | 09:32 |
| * lbt looks out window... yep | 09:32 | |
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| Stskeeps | ljp: last i was there, i should have brought shorts | 10:51 |
| Stskeeps | ljp, it was a very disturbing thought | 10:51 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: haha | 10:51 |
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| iekku | mer bug triage starting | 11:00 |
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| Stskeeps | hello spurt | 11:28 |
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| lbt | timoph: I'll accept testrunner-ui into Mer Tools Next version *must* have .yaml and a clean Mer spec file. It should also use gitpkg and be in https://github.com/mer-tools | 11:32 |
| phaeron | please drop the .yaml requirement | 11:33 |
| Stskeeps | lbt, any specific reason for yaml? | 11:34 |
| kontio | according to wiki yaml is not required... | 11:34 |
| lbt | the spec is a bit of a mess and would be trivially yaml'able I think :) | 11:34 |
| lbt | I phrased it wrong too - | 11:34 |
| lbt | I'll accept testrunner-ui into Mer Tools Next version *must* have a clean Mer spec file (yaml ideally). It should also use gitpkg and be in https://github.com/mer-tools | 11:35 |
| lbt | better? | 11:35 |
| phaeron | thx | 11:35 |
| phaeron | :D | 11:35 |
| kontio | :-) | 11:35 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: is gitpkg properly documented and can be done in less than 15 minutes without lengthy explanations? | 11:36 |
| lbt | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Tools#Add_a_New_Package_Walkthrough | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | also, that package isn't -that- bad | 11:36 |
| lbt | it's easier than http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Contribution_in_detail | 11:37 |
| lbt | no, it's not | 11:37 |
| Stskeeps | especially since it's meant to function on multiple targets | 11:37 |
| lbt | it just has a few fedora defs and not using %bindir | 11:37 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: when is your next SDK release? | 11:38 |
| lbt | ah - OK, I thought it was SDK only - that makes a difference <- timoph | 11:38 |
| * lbt looks at clock... | 11:38 | |
| Stskeeps | lbt: also, i really hate to ask this but would it be possible for you to do this without deferring it to timoph? | 11:39 |
| Stskeeps | it's a fairly essential qa feature | 11:39 |
| lbt | it's accepted already :) | 11:39 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 11:39 |
| Stskeeps | then what's the problem blocking a release, that somebody needs to do it now, or after release? | 11:40 |
| lbt | I meant the next version in a few days/weeks | 11:40 |
| Stskeeps | i'd say wednesday | 11:40 |
| lbt | SDK ? | 11:40 |
| Stskeeps | right - new toolchain, qa enablers available | 11:40 |
| Stskeeps | people can do qa tests and run them against device easily | 11:41 |
| lbt | yeah - today looks like a rush | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | also, please add tarball information to that guide | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | there will be systems that do not use git, or only release tarballs | 11:41 |
| lbt | I will - https://github.com/lbt/git-pkg has some docs - I just wanted one for powertop | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | but anyway: a sdk that matches mer latest toolchain, with testrunner-ui and testrunner-lite available, with eat-install-host-key available and i think we're good | 11:43 |
| Stskeeps | if we can drag in testplanner too, we have a solid basis for QA work | 11:43 |
| Stskeeps | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=testplanner&project=home%3Atimoph | 11:44 |
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| Venemo | hey | 11:44 |
| Stskeeps | lo | 11:44 |
| lbt | would "zypper in SDK-QA" be OK ? | 11:44 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 11:44 |
| Venemo | what exactly is thumb? | 11:44 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: it's the rightmost on your left hand and leftmost on your right hand | 11:44 |
| Venemo | I see. | 11:45 |
| w00t | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture#Thumb-2 | 11:45 |
| Stskeeps | (no, but seriously, finding an explanation for you..) | 11:45 |
| Stskeeps | w00t found it | 11:45 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:45 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i don't want this standard anyway since it drags in a bunch of stuff like fonts and libx11 and qt.. | 11:46 |
| Venemo | so you want to move Nemo to the rightmost on my left hand and leftmost on my right hand, while lighting it with a neon | 11:46 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: sounds like a party | 11:46 |
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| Venemo | lol | 11:46 |
| lbt | also see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Thumb2PortingHowto | 11:46 |
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| Stskeeps | Venemo: for n950/n9 it makes a lot of sense, for n900 not so much | 11:46 |
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| Venemo | how so? | 11:47 |
| Stskeeps | n900 can't do sane thumb | 11:47 |
| Stskeeps | hardware defect | 11:48 |
| Venemo | lol | 11:48 |
| Venemo | okay, thanks for explaining | 11:49 |
| Venemo | did harmattan use thumb too? | 11:49 |
| Stskeeps | no | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | it did use neon though | 11:50 |
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| totte | Is any KDE stuff used in Mer? Like Phonon? | 12:02 |
| Stskeeps | kcalcore's there | 12:03 |
| situ | phaeron: Please review https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Quality/Tutorials/Testing_with_SDK_to_VM | 12:05 |
| totte | Stskeeps: Ah, found gitweb now, thanks. I keep forgetting about it. | 12:06 |
| phaeron | situ: thanks, will have a look later :) | 12:06 |
| situ | Thanks! | 12:06 |
| phaeron | situ: one point Tools:Testing is staging for Tools | 12:07 |
| phaeron | so no point in adding both to kickstart | 12:07 |
| situ | So what repository should i add ? | 12:08 |
| phaeron | only Mer:Tools is enough | 12:09 |
| phaeron | "Install fonts required by testrunner-lite application with" looks suspicious | 12:09 |
| situ | testrunner-ui right ? | 12:09 |
| phaeron | yes | 12:09 |
| situ | Ok. | 12:09 |
| Sage_ | lbt: did you take the new mer-kickstarter in to the sdk already? | 12:10 |
| Sage_ | lbt: 0.18 that is | 12:10 |
| phaeron | situ: mic liveusb works ? and stio works ? Very cool. | 12:10 |
| situ | You mean stdio ? | 12:11 |
| phaeron | situ: if use has hardware virtualization does qemu use kvm automatically ? | 12:11 |
| phaeron | situ: yes -serial stdio | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | we tested it on a non-VT hardware | 12:11 |
| phaeron | I had problems with it | 12:11 |
| phaeron | alright | 12:11 |
| phaeron | otherwise looks brilliant :D , thanks situ | 12:11 |
| situ | Thanks to Stskeeps, phaeron :) | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | meh, situ did all the work ;) | 12:12 |
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| lbt | Sage_: http://www.merproject.org/Mer_Tools_Status.txt | 12:30 |
| lbt | it published in the last 10m | 12:30 |
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| jnikula | is this know problem? "-bash: /usr/bin/glestest: /lib/ld-linux-armhf.so.3: bad ELF interpreter: No such file or directory". I'm using nemo-handset-armv7hl-n950-0.20120816.1.NEMO.2012-08-31.1 and I install glestest from repo by "zypper in mer-gfx-tests" | 12:42 |
| Stskeeps | you need to point to a older mer release instead of /latest/ | 12:42 |
| Stskeeps | since you haven't upgraded | 12:42 |
| jnikula | yeah, I was expecting something like this as zypper up was going to download some +400 packages :-) | 12:44 |
| Stskeeps | it's a thing that had to be done, so | 12:44 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:44 |
| jnikula | :-) | 12:44 |
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| lbt | http://releases.merproject.org/releases/0.20120920.1/kickstarts/ | 13:24 |
| Stskeeps | good | 13:24 |
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| lbt | WARNING: arch-armv7hl.post not found, skipping. | 13:24 |
| Stskeeps | arr | 13:25 |
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| Stskeeps | when did that break | 13:25 |
| * lbt points at CI system | 13:25 | |
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| Stskeeps | what ci | 13:25 |
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| Stskeeps | :P | 13:25 |
| lbt | s/ / missing / | 13:25 |
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| lbt | QA next iter...we have boss2 and IMG works properly now | 13:25 |
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| lbt | so I'm getting there | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 13:25 |
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| lbt | Sage_: can you verify the mer-kickstarter in Tools:Testing and get phaeron to accept https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/6962 if you're OK | 14:53 |
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| Sage_ | lbt: well, packaging seems ok and I have verified the code already. | 14:59 |
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| lbt | accepted then :) | 15:01 |
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| Sage_ | lbt: the list to dict change might need changes to kickstarter configs though. But that you should be aware though as you were writing that part of the code ;) | 15:05 |
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| lbt | http://www.merproject.org/Mer_Tools_Status.txt | 15:33 |
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| RichW | I have gotten Mer running on my raspberry pi using instructions from: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Community_Workspace/RaspberryPi | 16:45 |
| RichW | How do I run qt5 on it? | 16:45 |
| RichW | It appears to run a QT4 interface on bootup. | 16:45 |
| RichW | Tutorial neglects to mention how to install QT5. | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | it does indeed, i think the eglfs module for qt5 isn't provided yet | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | do a zypper search qt5- | 16:47 |
| RichW | ah ok. | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | i think it's simply so people don't try while it's known 3d accel doesn't work yet | 16:47 |
| leinir | *nods* A sort of expectations management :) | 16:48 |
| RichW | How is this different to raspian? I have seen it running nice with raspian from videos on Youtube. I got close to getting QT5 running with raspian but there was a problem with my image, I guess I could fix it with some work. | 16:49 |
| leinir | well... how is opensuse different from debian? ;) | 16:49 |
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| RichW_ | IRC client glitched. | 16:51 |
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| RichW_ | Whats up with the 3d accel on Mer, it works on raspian doesnt it? | 16:51 |
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| RichW_ | ah checked log, I see answer, well I would think they would just borrow the source? | 16:52 |
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| Stskeeps | we need to do a custom build of the qt5 eglfs module to match with the bcm gles drivers | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | and provide in a seperate package in r pi hw adaptation | 16:54 |
| RichW | Sounds like something I can patch up myself? | 16:55 |
| RichW | One off. | 16:55 |
| Stskeeps | possibly, know rpm packaging? | 16:55 |
| RichW | Yeah, its not too bad. | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | i discussed with kulve how to do it (see logs) | 16:56 |
| RichW | Or one could boj it from straight source, just so can get some development done :P | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | or that | 16:56 |
| RichW | Its a nice distro from what I have seen so far. | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | you need to do a partial build of eglfs platform plugin, can probably reuse the qtbase packaging | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, slim, straightforward | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | good as basis for innovative things | 16:57 |
| RichW | Yes, I am using it for home automation. | 16:57 |
| RichW | push buttons on screen, blinds go up and down. | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | cool | 16:58 |
| * Stskeeps wants to use mer in his new apartment too | 16:58 | |
| kulve | Stskeeps: unfortunately I haven't had the time to check it out. Still fighting with the encoding. So if somebody else has the time, it would be nice :) | 16:58 |
| RichW | I have developed with PyQT4 before, using QML and QT5 will be a big learning curve for me! | 16:58 |
| Stskeeps | qml is lovely | 16:58 |
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| RichW | While I am here, can I use the bog standard qt creator with QT5? | 16:59 |
| Stskeeps | think so | 16:59 |
| RichW | I think I did see a daily build of qt creator, but I had some problem with it, perhaps some files missing | 17:00 |
| RichW | cant remember now. | 17:00 |
| * Stskeeps is waiting to board a plane | 17:00 | |
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| RichW | I have never been on an aeroplane, you can get away with it in england, its just a island. | 17:00 |
| * iekku is sitting in the hotel room | 17:00 | |
| Stskeeps | richw, first time i went alone, to a faraway country, much fun | 17:01 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:01 |
| RichW | Need to make some sort of product and then sell it, then I can go on aeroplanes :P | 17:02 |
| RichW | I know people that are good at selling stuff. | 17:03 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, that's what gets me on planes most often | 17:03 |
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| iekku | :) | 17:05 |
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| RichW | Anyone had experiences with USA airport security? Is it really as bad as it sounds? | 17:06 |
| Stskeeps | they're fairly ok, just follow experiences | 17:07 |
| Stskeeps | er, guidance | 17:07 |
| Stskeeps | and arrive early and don't be stressed | 17:07 |
| RichW | Fair enough :) | 17:07 |
| RichW | Would probably be the first place I would go to if I had the money. | 17:08 |
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| RichW | So much to see and do. | 17:08 |
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| RichW | I will read what you said to kulve, thanks for that. | 17:09 |
| Stskeeps | good luck :) | 17:10 |
| iekku | the only time i have visited usa went pretty nicely | 17:10 |
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| Stskeeps | if you ever go to SF, bring sunscreen | 17:11 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:11 |
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| CosmoHill | woof Stskeeps | 17:12 |
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| RichW | http://www.merproject.org/logs/%23mer/%23mer.2012-09-19.log.html | 17:15 |
| RichW | that the one? | 17:15 |
| VDVsx | USA airport security can be a real PITA if you're lucky enough to have born in some countries :D | 17:17 |
| * VDVsx never had problems, but wonders what will happen next time :D | 17:19 | |
| iekku | VDVsx, i decided not to wear my needle jacket on flight :P | 17:20 |
| VDVsx | :D | 17:21 |
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| CosmoHill | what country? | 17:41 |
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| mikhas | iekku, bah, you're selling out! | 18:42 |
| mikhas | VDVsx, just avoid change-over in the US and get a direct flight connection from any European airport instead. | 18:42 |
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| JJ_ | Ok | 19:48 |
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| vgrade | lbt, Directory /var/run/dbus is missing in SDK root - please report this bug | 21:24 |
| lbt | :/ | 21:25 |
| * lbt tries to recall what was happening there... | 21:25 | |
| lbt | ah yes - it tries to mount a variety of system dirs and there's a generic error | 21:26 |
| lbt | OK ... ty... I'll fix it somehow :) | 21:28 |
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| vgrade | lbt, sdk seems to be working fine even with that | 21:46 |
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| vgrade | lbt, is there anything I can check / | 21:47 |
| vgrade | ? | 21:47 |
| lbt | no need - it made the dir and mounted it | 21:47 |
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| nawrocki | Hello. The recent developments with Jolla are pretty exciting for Mer I bet. | 21:57 |
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| sonach | morning | 23:56 |
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