Monday, 2012-10-08

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sonachmorning all00:36
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nawrockimorning04:54
Stskeepsmorn05:03
situMorning everyone05:09
Bostikmorning05:10
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StskeepsBostik: new mer release out with new toolchain05:16
Bostikwhooo!05:20
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KypeliIs it a known feature / bug that WiFi connection is lost after some time and can't connect to any WiFi anymore before doing "systemctl restart connman.service"?06:43
StskeepsKypeli: try iwconfig wlan0 power off06:43
Stskeepsdoes that help?06:43
Kypelihmm. No. Restarted settings app too. I just can't select any of the listed WiFi networks in the settings app06:44
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KypeliI can select an open network, but not secure one.06:45
KypeliDisabling the "Wi-Fi networks" toggle and enabling it again made it reconnect to the known network.06:46
KypeliBut even with the toggle disabled it listed some networks, which sounds wrong.06:46
Stskeepshmm06:47
Stskeepsdoes dmesg list a crash?06:48
Kypeliwlan0: link is not ready06:48
Stskeepshmm06:48
KypeliStskeeps: And this after the device was previously connected to WiFi but has been idle for >~24h06:54
KypeliErr.. even 12h06:54
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Stskeepsyeah, hence me thinking PSM06:55
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kontioKypeli, Stskeeps I observe the same, after some ~24 hours, wifi connection is lost and  "systemctl restart connman.service" is needed to get it working and connecting again...06:59
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Stskeepskontio: ok, log a bug in nemo07:22
Stskeepsmorn cckwes07:22
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cckwesmorning stskeeps :)07:34
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ljp2 hours left for download. :(08:28
Stskeepsof?08:28
ljpnemo-handset image08:28
Stskeepsah08:31
Stskeepsshould be on CDN08:31
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ljpCDN?09:05
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Stskeepscontent distribution network09:06
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ljpahh.. I have AAS. Acronym Aversion Syndrome09:17
ljpcomes from being employed by Nokia09:17
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* Stskeeps ponders idly if he'll get the total patdown from taking 3 phones, one tablet and a big laptop along in plane..09:21
Bostikjust channel your inner Lesley Nielsen when fondled09:22
Bostikloudly proclaim "I llove it!"09:22
dm8tbrStskeeps: the only place that is totally shitty about this is PoznaƄ09:25
dm8tbrmost other places don't give a fart09:25
Stskeepsdm8tbr: they just point your guns at you and take your tablet09:25
Stskeeps?09:25
Stskeeps:P09:25
Stskeepser09:25
Stskeepstheir09:25
dm8tbrthey made me empty my complete backpack, all the stuff09:25
dm8tbrtook 3-4 additional boxes (add to the 5 usual boxes)09:26
dm8tbrbecause their x-ray operator sucked and they were (as usual) in an anal mood09:26
dm8tbrhasn't happened to me in AAAAAAges09:26
dm8tbrthey make the TSA look like a fun park resort...09:27
dm8tbroh, for bonus points the found _one_ of my screwdrivers and gave me crap about it09:27
dm8tbremphasis on _one_ of them09:27
StskeepsTSA, beyond being incompentent, was surprisingily nicer than in europe.. incomponent: look at my ticket and put me in lane with 1000 people in it, 15 minutes later come and drag me out of queue09:28
Stskeepsin order to get me in front so i wouldnt miss my flight..09:28
Stskeeps:P09:28
dm8tbrheh09:29
dm8tbrmy dealing with TSA was surprisingly nice. seemed to be friendly an professional people at SFO09:29
* Stskeeps ponders what else to pack09:30
Stskeepsright, clothes..09:30
dm8tbrdetails...09:30
Stskeepsis it warm underwear time in .fi yet?09:30
Stskeepser, long09:30
Jopeno09:31
dm8tbrnah09:31
Jopea jacket is enough09:31
dm8tbrit's still only raining. the percipitation is not solidifying yet09:31
lbtumbrella09:31
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dm8tbrlbt: well you should be used to the weather. make you feel at home. ;)09:32
* lbt looks out window... yep09:32
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* ljp thinks it is always long underwear time in .fi10:08
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Stskeepsljp: last i was there, i should have brought shorts10:51
Stskeepsljp, it was a very disturbing thought10:51
w00tStskeeps: haha10:51
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iekkumer bug triage starting11:00
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Stskeepshello spurt11:28
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lbttimoph: I'll accept testrunner-ui into Mer Tools Next version *must* have .yaml and a clean Mer spec file. It should also use gitpkg and be in https://github.com/mer-tools11:32
phaeronplease drop the .yaml requirement11:33
Stskeepslbt, any specific reason for yaml?11:34
kontioaccording to wiki yaml is not required...11:34
lbtthe spec is a bit of a mess and would be trivially yaml'able I think :)11:34
lbtI phrased it wrong too -11:34
lbtI'll accept testrunner-ui into Mer Tools Next version *must* have a clean Mer spec file (yaml ideally). It should also use gitpkg and be in https://github.com/mer-tools11:35
lbtbetter?11:35
phaeronthx11:35
phaeron:D11:35
kontio:-)11:35
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Stskeepslbt: is gitpkg properly documented and can be done in less than 15 minutes without lengthy explanations?11:36
lbthttps://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Tools#Add_a_New_Package_Walkthrough11:36
Stskeepsalso, that package isn't -that- bad11:36
lbtit's easier than http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Contribution_in_detail11:37
lbtno, it's not11:37
Stskeepsespecially since it's meant to function on multiple targets11:37
lbtit just has a few fedora defs and not using %bindir11:37
Stskeepslbt: when is your next SDK release?11:38
lbtah - OK, I thought it was SDK only - that makes a difference <- timoph11:38
* lbt looks at clock...11:38
Stskeepslbt: also, i really hate to ask this but would it be possible for you to do this without deferring it to timoph?11:39
Stskeepsit's a fairly essential qa feature11:39
lbtit's accepted already :)11:39
Stskeepsok11:39
Stskeepsthen what's the problem blocking a release, that somebody needs to do it now, or after release?11:40
lbtI meant the next version in a few days/weeks11:40
Stskeepsi'd say wednesday11:40
lbtSDK ?11:40
Stskeepsright - new toolchain, qa enablers available11:40
Stskeepspeople can do qa tests and run them against device easily11:41
lbtyeah - today looks like a rush11:41
Stskeepsalso, please add tarball information to that guide11:41
Stskeepsthere will be systems that do not use git, or only release tarballs11:41
lbtI will - https://github.com/lbt/git-pkg has some docs - I just wanted one for powertop11:42
Stskeepsalright11:42
Stskeepsbut anyway: a sdk that matches mer latest toolchain, with testrunner-ui and testrunner-lite available, with eat-install-host-key available and i think we're good11:43
Stskeepsif we can drag in testplanner too, we have a solid basis for QA work11:43
Stskeepshttps://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=testplanner&project=home%3Atimoph11:44
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Venemohey11:44
Stskeepslo11:44
lbtwould "zypper in SDK-QA" be OK ?11:44
Stskeepsyes11:44
Venemowhat exactly is thumb?11:44
StskeepsVenemo: it's the rightmost on your left hand and leftmost on your right hand11:44
VenemoI see.11:45
w00thttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture#Thumb-211:45
Stskeeps(no, but seriously, finding an explanation for you..)11:45
Stskeepsw00t found it11:45
Stskeeps:P11:45
Stskeepslbt: i don't want this standard anyway since it drags in a bunch of stuff like fonts and libx11 and qt..11:46
Venemoso you want to move Nemo to the rightmost on my left hand and leftmost on my right hand, while lighting it with a neon11:46
StskeepsVenemo: sounds like a party11:46
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Venemolol11:46
lbtalso see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Thumb2PortingHowto11:46
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StskeepsVenemo: for n950/n9 it makes a lot of sense, for n900 not so much11:46
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Venemohow so?11:47
Stskeepsn900 can't do sane thumb11:47
Stskeepshardware defect11:48
Venemolol11:48
Venemookay, thanks for explaining11:49
Venemodid harmattan use thumb too?11:49
Stskeepsno11:50
Stskeepsit did use neon though11:50
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totteIs any KDE stuff used in Mer? Like Phonon?12:02
Stskeepskcalcore's there12:03
situphaeron: Please review https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Quality/Tutorials/Testing_with_SDK_to_VM12:05
totteStskeeps: Ah, found gitweb now, thanks. I keep forgetting about it.12:06
phaeronsitu: thanks, will have a look later :)12:06
situThanks!12:06
phaeronsitu: one point Tools:Testing is staging for Tools12:07
phaeronso no point in adding both to kickstart12:07
situSo what repository should i add ?12:08
phaerononly Mer:Tools is enough12:09
phaeron"Install fonts required by testrunner-lite application with" looks suspicious12:09
situtestrunner-ui right ?12:09
phaeronyes12:09
situOk.12:09
Sage_lbt: did you take the new mer-kickstarter in to the sdk already?12:10
Sage_lbt: 0.18 that is12:10
phaeronsitu: mic liveusb works ? and stio works ? Very cool.12:10
situYou mean stdio ?12:11
phaeronsitu: if use has hardware virtualization does qemu use kvm automatically ?12:11
phaeronsitu: yes -serial stdio12:11
Stskeepswe tested it on a non-VT hardware12:11
phaeronI had problems with it12:11
phaeronalright12:11
phaeronotherwise looks brilliant :D , thanks situ12:11
situThanks to Stskeeps, phaeron :)12:12
Stskeepsmeh, situ did all the work ;)12:12
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lbtSage_: http://www.merproject.org/Mer_Tools_Status.txt12:30
lbtit published in the last 10m12:30
* Bostik started to play catchup with Qt5 specs12:31
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jnikulais this know problem? "-bash: /usr/bin/glestest: /lib/ld-linux-armhf.so.3: bad ELF interpreter: No such file or directory". I'm using nemo-handset-armv7hl-n950-0.20120816.1.NEMO.2012-08-31.1 and I install glestest from repo by "zypper in mer-gfx-tests"12:42
Stskeepsyou need to point to a older mer release instead of /latest/12:42
Stskeepssince you haven't upgraded12:42
jnikulayeah, I was expecting something like this as zypper up was going to download some +400 packages :-)12:44
Stskeepsit's a thing that had to be done, so12:44
Stskeeps:P12:44
jnikula:-)12:44
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lbthttp://releases.merproject.org/releases/0.20120920.1/kickstarts/13:24
Stskeepsgood13:24
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lbtWARNING: arch-armv7hl.post not found, skipping.13:24
Stskeepsarr13:25
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Stskeepswhen did that break13:25
* lbt points at CI system13:25
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Stskeepswhat ci13:25
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Stskeeps:P13:25
lbts/ / missing /13:25
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lbtQA next iter...we have boss2 and IMG works properly now13:25
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lbtso I'm getting there13:25
Stskeepsok13:25
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lbtSage_: can you verify the mer-kickstarter in Tools:Testing and get phaeron to accept https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/6962 if you're OK14:53
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Sage_lbt: well, packaging seems ok and I have verified the code already.14:59
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lbtaccepted then :)15:01
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Sage_lbt: the list to dict change might need changes to kickstarter configs though. But that you should be aware though as you were writing that part of the code ;)15:05
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lbthttp://www.merproject.org/Mer_Tools_Status.txt15:33
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RichWI have gotten Mer running on my raspberry pi using instructions from: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Community_Workspace/RaspberryPi16:45
RichWHow do I run qt5 on it?16:45
RichWIt appears to run a QT4 interface on bootup.16:45
RichWTutorial neglects to mention how to install QT5.16:46
Stskeepsit does indeed, i think the eglfs module for qt5 isn't provided yet16:47
Stskeepsdo a zypper search qt5-16:47
RichWah ok.16:47
Stskeepsi think it's simply so people don't try while it's known 3d accel doesn't work yet16:47
leinir*nods* A sort of expectations management :)16:48
RichWHow is this different to raspian? I have seen it running nice with raspian from videos on Youtube. I got close to getting QT5 running with raspian but there was a problem with my image, I guess I could fix it with some work.16:49
leinirwell... how is opensuse different from debian? ;)16:49
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RichW_Whats up with the 3d accel on Mer, it works on raspian doesnt it?16:51
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RichW_ah checked log, I see answer, well I would think they would just borrow the source?16:52
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Stskeepswe need to do a custom build of the qt5 eglfs module to match with the bcm gles drivers16:54
Stskeepsand provide in a seperate package in r pi hw adaptation16:54
RichWSounds like something I can patch up myself?16:55
RichWOne off.16:55
Stskeepspossibly, know rpm packaging?16:55
RichWYeah, its not too bad.16:56
Stskeepsi discussed with kulve how to do it (see logs)16:56
RichWOr one could boj it from straight source, just so can get some development done :P16:56
Stskeepsor that16:56
RichWIts a nice distro from what I have seen so far.16:57
Stskeepsyou need to do a partial build of eglfs platform plugin, can probably reuse the qtbase packaging16:57
Stskeepsyeah, slim, straightforward16:57
Stskeepsgood as basis for innovative things16:57
RichWYes, I am using it for home automation.16:57
RichWpush buttons on screen, blinds go up and down.16:57
Stskeepscool16:58
* Stskeeps wants to use mer in his new apartment too16:58
kulveStskeeps: unfortunately I haven't had the time to check it out. Still fighting with the encoding. So if somebody else has the time, it would be nice :)16:58
RichWI have developed with PyQT4 before, using QML and QT5 will be a big learning curve for me!16:58
Stskeepsqml is lovely16:58
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RichWWhile I am here, can I use the bog standard qt creator with QT5?16:59
Stskeepsthink so16:59
RichWI think I did see a daily build of qt creator, but I had some problem with it, perhaps some files missing17:00
RichWcant remember now.17:00
* Stskeeps is waiting to board a plane17:00
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RichWI have never been on an aeroplane, you can get away with it in england, its just a island.17:00
* iekku is sitting in the hotel room17:00
Stskeepsrichw, first time i went alone, to a faraway country, much fun17:01
Stskeeps:P17:01
RichWNeed to make some sort of product and then sell it, then I can go on aeroplanes :P17:02
RichWI know people that are good at selling stuff.17:03
Stskeepsyeah, that's what gets me on planes most often17:03
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iekku:)17:05
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RichWAnyone had experiences with USA airport security? Is it really as bad as it sounds?17:06
Stskeepsthey're fairly ok, just follow experiences17:07
Stskeepser, guidance17:07
Stskeepsand arrive early and don't be stressed17:07
RichWFair enough :)17:07
RichWWould probably be the first place I would go to if I had the money.17:08
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RichWSo much to see and do.17:08
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RichWI will read what you said to kulve, thanks for that.17:09
Stskeepsgood luck :)17:10
iekkuthe only time i have visited usa went pretty nicely17:10
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Stskeepsif you ever go to SF, bring sunscreen17:11
Stskeeps:P17:11
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CosmoHillwoof Stskeeps17:12
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RichWhttp://www.merproject.org/logs/%23mer/%23mer.2012-09-19.log.html17:15
RichWthat the one?17:15
VDVsxUSA airport security can be a real PITA if you're lucky enough to have born in some countries :D17:17
* VDVsx never had problems, but wonders what will happen next time :D17:19
iekkuVDVsx, i decided not to wear my needle jacket on flight :P17:20
VDVsx:D17:21
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CosmoHillwhat country?17:41
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mikhasiekku, bah, you're selling out!18:42
mikhasVDVsx, just avoid change-over in the US and get a direct flight connection from any European airport instead.18:42
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vgradelbt, Directory /var/run/dbus is missing in SDK root - please report this bug21:24
lbt:/21:25
* lbt tries to recall what was happening there...21:25
lbtah yes - it tries to mount a variety of system dirs and there's a generic error21:26
lbtOK ... ty... I'll fix it somehow :)21:28
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vgradelbt, sdk seems to be working fine even with that21:46
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vgradelbt, is there anything I can check /21:47
vgrade?21:47
lbtno need - it made the dir and mounted it21:47
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nawrockiHello. The recent developments with Jolla are pretty exciting for Mer I bet.21:57
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sonachmorning23:56
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