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| special | why are you up at this hour on a saturday | 04:44 |
| Stskeeps | woke up | 04:45 |
| Stskeeps | any news from the night shift? | 04:47 |
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| special | none too interesting | 04:48 |
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| iekku | morning | 06:11 |
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| iekku | mmmm, coffeee | 06:18 |
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| * Stskeeps stares at qt | 06:35 | |
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| Stskeeps | sroedal: http://pastie.org/4920505 - does this seem right in your book with eglfs, with QT_QPA_EGLFS_DEPTH=32 ? | 06:38 |
| Stskeeps | in perspective, minimalegl 'works' | 06:39 |
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| Stskeeps | can't seem to find http://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qtbase/blobs/master/src/plugins/platforms/minimalegl/qminimaleglscreen.cpp#line132 in egl, so | 06:40 |
| Stskeeps | +fs | 06:40 |
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| Stskeeps | works OK as 8,8,8, or adding EGL_BUFFER_SIZE, 24, | 06:45 |
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| sroedal | Stskeeps: where are you printf'ing that? | 06:49 |
| sroedal | Stskeeps: and what are you trying to solve? :) | 06:50 |
| Stskeeps | sroedal: from alpha1 to beta1 i lost ability to use eglfs and instead use minimalegl, so i'm seeing why i can't use eglfs (in order to see if that helps fonts issue, too) - i print inside eglChooseConfig | 06:51 |
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| Stskeeps | and it refuses to give me a surface with the 'new' way eglfs does it | 06:52 |
| Stskeeps | this is on my libhybris setup, on qualcomm drivers :P | 06:53 |
| sroedal | Stskeeps: so eglChooseConfig fails to find a config with eglfs? | 06:54 |
| Stskeeps | sroedal: hmm, let me just add an assert | 06:54 |
| sroedal | Stskeeps: oh wait, try changing the depth buffer size we ask for to 16 | 06:54 |
| sroedal | - format.setDepthBufferSize(24); | 06:55 |
| sroedal | - format.setStencilBufferSize(8); | 06:55 |
| sroedal | + format.setDepthBufferSize(16); | 06:55 |
| sroedal | + format.setStencilBufferSize(1); | 06:55 |
| sroedal | I had to make that change to mazecompositor to make it work with my Android build at least | 06:56 |
| Stskeeps | that's in minimalegl? | 06:57 |
| sroedal | hmm, wonder why actually, since q_reduceConfigAttributes should take care of that | 06:57 |
| sroedal | Stskeeps: no, that's in the application code | 06:57 |
| Stskeeps | ah, ok | 06:57 |
| sroedal | oh yeah, and stencil from 8 to 1 | 06:58 |
| sroedal | actually maybe that was only responsible for causing me not to get a stencil / depth buffer at all | 06:59 |
| Stskeeps | DepthBufferSize == EGL_DEPTH_SIZE ? | 07:00 |
| Stskeeps | or == EGL_BUFFER_SIZE | 07:00 |
| sroedal | that's EGL_DEPTH_SIZE | 07:00 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 07:00 |
| Stskeeps | i love android drivers.. EGL_TRUE from eglChooseConfig, bail out when asking for surface | 07:01 |
| sroedal | ah... | 07:02 |
| sroedal | so that's why eglfs fails | 07:02 |
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| sroedal | Stskeeps: "asking for a surface" meaning eglCreateWindowSurface or? | 07:03 |
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| Stskeeps | http://pastie.org/4920626 causing test_egl: egl/test.c:34: main: Assertion `surface != ((EGLSurface)0)' failed. | 07:04 |
| Stskeeps | basiaclly | 07:04 |
| Stskeeps | whereas http://pastie.org/4920636 works | 07:06 |
| Stskeeps | hence why it works in minimalegl but not in eglfs, and worked in alpha1 eglfs | 07:06 |
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| Stskeeps | this is probably a bit of a nonstandard setup though :) | 07:07 |
| sroedal | yeah | 07:08 |
| Stskeeps | so if i was to be able to handle a scenario like this, would i make a hook for eglfs that sets the 'right' platformformat or how would it function? | 07:10 |
| sroedal | maybe eglCreateWindowSurface has stricter requirements on the config when it's a fullscreen non-composited surface | 07:10 |
| sroedal | yeah, I guess so | 07:10 |
| sroedal | virtual QSurfaceFormat surfaceFormatFor(const QSurfaceFormat &inputFormat) const; | 07:10 |
| sroedal | it lets you tweak a QSurfaceFormat at least | 07:10 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 07:10 |
| situ | Hi everyone | 07:12 |
| Stskeeps | morn situ | 07:14 |
| * Stskeeps has to go sign up for practical driver exam, bbl | 07:14 | |
| Stskeeps | sroedal: thanks | 07:14 |
| situ | Morning.. | 07:14 |
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| Superpelican | Finally got openSUSE 12.2 KDE installed ;-) | 07:29 |
| Superpelican | And my computer is now 100% Windows free :-D | 07:29 |
| Superpelican | I never used it anyway | 07:29 |
| Superpelican | And imaged all windows partitions with dd | 07:30 |
| Superpelican | So I can always restore in case... | 07:30 |
| Superpelican | I have one question: | 07:30 |
| Superpelican | I set up my Mer SDK on Ubuntu | 07:30 |
| Superpelican | And I backupped the Mer SDK folder | 07:30 |
| Superpelican | If I mount that folder on openSUSE, will I get the same configured SDK back? | 07:31 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | maybe | 07:34 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it should work Superpelican | 07:34 |
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| Superpelican | K, thx | 07:43 |
| Superpelican | Just curious, do many people on this channel and within the Mer Project use openSUSE? | 07:44 |
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| lbt | morning all | 08:49 |
| timoph | 'lo | 08:49 |
| Stskeeps | lbt, go for release | 08:51 |
| lbt | :) OK | 08:51 |
| lbt | and kickstarts.. | 08:51 |
| Stskeeps | yess | 08:52 |
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| alterego | \m/ - New release dance | 09:08 |
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| Superpelican | running:sudo mic create fs mer-core-armv7hl-xorg-basic-qmlviewer.ks -o /parentroot/srv/mer/targets --pkgmgr=yum --arch armv7hl | 09:26 |
| Superpelican | Results in: "error <creator>: command 'modprobe' not found" | 09:26 |
| Superpelican | *not available | 09:26 |
| Superpelican | Can't remember if I got this error the last time I set up SB2 in Mer SDK | 09:27 |
| Superpelican | And if I did, what the workaround was | 09:27 |
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| Stskeeps | PATH=$PATH:/sbin in front | 09:30 |
| Superpelican | thx | 09:30 |
| Superpelican | I was just reading the /sbin path variable part | 09:31 |
| Superpelican | And was just going to ask how you should add it | 09:31 |
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| Superpelican | Choosing zypp as package manager results in a lot of errors | 09:32 |
| Superpelican | Why does it use yum? | 09:32 |
| Superpelican | I thought Mer used zypper | 09:32 |
| Superpelican | Does this mean I have to work with YUM alot? | 09:32 |
| Superpelican | I prefer Zypper | 09:32 |
| Superpelican | YUM is so sloooooooooow | 09:33 |
| Superpelican | Well at least that are my experiences with Fedora | 09:33 |
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| Stskeeps | Superpelican: just for image creation, we work on stabilizing zypper for image creation | 09:41 |
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| Superpelican | K | 09:47 |
| Superpelican | I think I'm going to create a TMO account | 09:57 |
| Superpelican | Could be very useful | 09:57 |
| alterego | lol | 09:57 |
| Superpelican | Esspecially for gathering people for building Python 3 etc. | 09:57 |
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| alterego | We have Ruby :) | 09:59 |
| Superpelican | Yes, Ruby is a nice lang too | 10:00 |
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| * alterego remembers the first project he did for maemo | 10:01 | |
| alterego | It was ruby-maemo :) | 10:01 |
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| alterego | Hildon bindings, and ruby port. on top of ruby-gnome | 10:01 |
| Superpelican | Seems like there is no pyside in the opensuse repo's | 10:01 |
| Superpelican | But I did find python-pyside in OBS for SUSE | 10:02 |
| alterego | Interesting, | 10:02 |
| Superpelican | But no python3-pyside :( | 10:02 |
| alterego | Is there a python 3? | 10:02 |
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| alterego | (In suse obs?) | 10:02 |
| Superpelican | Guess I'm going to get really busy | 10:02 |
| alterego | You maye also find using fedora srpms useful. | 10:02 |
| Superpelican | Is there no Mer TMO thread? | 10:04 |
| alterego | Mostly nemo tbh | 10:04 |
| alterego | Which is probably where we'd want pyside anyway. | 10:06 |
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| Superpelican | But I want to make python3-pyside and python3 also available for upcoming Jolla OS | 10:11 |
| ali1234 | are you the same guy from last week? | 10:13 |
| ali1234 | (the one i was talking to) | 10:13 |
| alterego | Superpelican: then targetting nemo is a better option as it's a mobile os :) | 10:13 |
| ali1234 | yes you qare, ok :) | 10:15 |
| ali1234 | Superpelican: so, i did some searching and i found that khertan once tried to build python3 on the maemo OBS. that was a deb though. and he deleted the project, which indicates he could never get it to work. and that guy seemed to know a lot about python packaging... | 10:16 |
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| Superpelican | ali1234: yes | 10:23 |
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| Superpelican | ali1234: But as you already said that was trying to build for maemo | 10:24 |
| Superpelican | ali1234: so you might be able to build for Mer/Meego | 10:24 |
| Superpelican | ali1234: also I'm not sure if that's an indication that he could not get it to work | 10:25 |
| Superpelican | May be he just hadn't enough time anymore to contribute to maemo | 10:25 |
| Superpelican | Or maybe he sold his n900 | 10:25 |
| alterego | You could ask him on twitter. | 10:26 |
| Superpelican | Don't have twitter ;) | 10:26 |
| Superpelican | I just don't understand the point of social media | 10:27 |
| Superpelican | What's wrong with Whatsapp, a weblog or email? | 10:27 |
| Superpelican | But that's another story of course | 10:27 |
| Superpelican | Maybe I'm going to create a twitter account | 10:29 |
| Superpelican | But that would be purely for Mer Project and other open source dev stuff | 10:29 |
| Superpelican | ali1234, alterego: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_2010/Python_BoF | 10:32 |
| Superpelican | "The Architecture Team decides which packages are included in MeeGo Core. Getting Python into MeeGo Core is important for the viability of MeeGo app development. Since MeeGo apps cannot trigger download of dependency packages, any Python libraries not included in Core must be bundled with the apps, making them much larger. Right now 2.6.5 is listed in the MeeGo specification for system-config applications. This Python package has no | 10:33 |
| Superpelican | GUI support. Ideally both 2.6 and 3 could be included into the Core. " | 10:33 |
| Superpelican | quoted from the page I just linked | 10:33 |
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| alterego | Things are different now. | 10:35 |
| Superpelican | alterego: Yes, you're right, things are of course different now, but I think this does indicate that it IS POSSIBLE to port python 3 to Mer/Meego | 10:37 |
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| alterego | Of course it's possible ;) Anything is possible :) | 10:39 |
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| faenil | Package libresourceqt1 not found....what did I forget to install? :) shouldn't it be part of qt-devel or qt-mobility-devel? | 10:44 |
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| faenil | should I install libevent or something separately? | 10:45 |
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| ali1234 | Superpelican: khertan is in this channel sometimes (he was here last week when i was talking to you) | 10:59 |
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| mike7b4_lenovo | hellu all, time for me to play with Mer/nemo again :) | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | wb ;) | 11:35 |
| lbt | grumble... I want to browse the code for our 'mount' but can't ... | 11:37 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i hear that Jake9xx is setting up a cross reference | 11:38 |
| lbt | lxr ? | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | something else than that | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | also, the rest of us just untars instead of saying it on irc, it's actually faster | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:38 |
| lbt | :P | 11:39 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvDvTnTGjgQ | 11:43 |
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| Superpelican | ali1234: what's khertan's nick? | 11:53 |
| Superpelican | nickname on irc I mean | 11:55 |
| faenil | we should write some most-needed packages to install after you install Mer SDK... | 12:02 |
| faenil | like qt-devel, qt-mobility-devel, make, build-essential... | 12:02 |
| faenil | can anyone help me write down a list? | 12:03 |
| faenil | of suck packages | 12:03 |
| faenil | such... lol | 12:04 |
| Stskeeps | it really depends on what you need to have in the target | 12:04 |
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| ali1234 | Superpelican: khertan | 12:04 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, but everyone needs qt-devel I think | 12:04 |
| faenil | all Qt devs...which is the main target of the sdk | 12:05 |
| Stskeeps | not necessarily | 12:06 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:06 |
| faenil | ok... :P idea rejected :D | 12:07 |
| faenil | where is libresourceqt1 in Mer's packages? | 12:08 |
| Stskeeps | it's not, it's in nemo | 12:08 |
| faenil | alright...I don't remember installing it separately last time I installed the SDK... | 12:09 |
| faenil | but now it doesn't let me qmake the gallery :) | 12:09 |
| faenil | so, where's libresourceqt1 in Nemo's packages? :D | 12:10 |
| Stskeeps | build.pub.meego.com -> search button in middle of screen | 12:11 |
| alterego | You probably need libresourceqt-devel ;) | 12:11 |
| faenil | yes, exactly :P | 12:11 |
| faenil | tried with libresourceqt1-devel | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | search for libresource | 12:12 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, sure ;) got that :D | 12:12 |
| faenil | there we go https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=libresourceqt&project=CE%3AMW%3AShared | 12:13 |
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| CosmoHill | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTIwMDU | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. well | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | at least the fight happens in the open | 12:26 |
| faenil | :D | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | no samsung, i don't want a 5 minute long intro to your device on my youtube video | 12:27 |
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| vgrade_ | they missed the "indicative of a Mickey Mouse project" quote | 12:29 |
| CosmoHill | does seem stupid, Arjan's version is very good | 12:29 |
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| CosmoHill | I see no reason at all to require java for it | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | either way.. i'm not sure i'd like to see tizen die, or at least intel's involvement | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | it would mean a lot less effort into non-android on intel devices | 12:30 |
| faenil | yup, definitely less | 12:31 |
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| VDVsx | any recent news about tizen ? | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | nah, just business as usual | 12:37 |
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| alterego | I heard they've not let the Genie out the bottle yet. | 12:38 |
| alterego | BB10 and this new device seem to be getting good press. | 12:38 |
| alterego | Though the name is a bit pompous for my liking. | 12:38 |
| faenil | yeah BB10 should be a nice OS | 12:39 |
| alterego | Shame it's not Linux | 12:40 |
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| alterego | What do they use as a graphical backend? | 12:40 |
| faenil | well, QNX | 12:40 |
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| faenil | don't know.. | 12:41 |
| faenil | also pity it's not a hackable OS | 12:42 |
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| VDVsx | bb10 is very good for qt/qml let's hope they get some traction | 12:45 |
| faenil | VDVsx, though the fact that Cascades and QtQuick can't be used at the same time is...ehm..disappointing | 12:47 |
| VDVsx | yes, shame that is not portable, but more people using it always good, and RIM also can contribute some improvements to Qt(I hope they are doing it) | 12:48 |
| faenil | yeah | 12:49 |
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| Stskeeps | spent time building qtbase | 12:54 |
| Stskeeps | realized it was armv7hl, not armv7l | 12:54 |
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| VDVsx | lol | 12:54 |
| VDVsx | and normally is not that fast to build qt :D | 12:55 |
| faenil | oops | 12:55 |
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| Superpelican | But maybe the Intel-Samsung fight is actually positive for Mer/Meego etc. | 12:56 |
| Superpelican | Think of it | 12:57 |
| Superpelican | If Intel "breaks up" with Samsung | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | if intel-samsung breaks up, i don't think intel wants to play any more in the OS field. | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | simple as that | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | they've already changed to 'efforts in open source' instead, not focused around a distro, at 01.org | 12:57 |
| timoph | it would be better for all if they'd do thing properly | 12:57 |
| timoph | and got something sane out the door | 12:58 |
| Stskeeps | https://01.org/ | 12:58 |
| Superpelican | That's a really nice domain name ;) | 12:59 |
| Superpelican | "01" | 12:59 |
| Superpelican | https://01.org/rib/ | 12:59 |
| Superpelican | Looks interesting | 12:59 |
| timoph | well, they do lots of good things | 12:59 |
| Superpelican | I don't think there does exist anything like that | 12:59 |
| Superpelican | I mean RIB | 13:00 |
| Superpelican | Yes, Intel does do really good things for FOSS and LInux | 13:00 |
| Superpelican | I'm really fed up Nvidia, ATI and all there stuff | 13:00 |
| Superpelican | My next system will have pure Intel hardware | 13:01 |
| Superpelican | At least you don't have problems than with crappy drivers or no support at all | 13:01 |
| timoph | yep. for some reason even with all the experience from open source they do tizen as they do | 13:01 |
| Superpelican | My current laptop has Optimus :( | 13:01 |
| timoph | might be a samsung thing though. dunno. | 13:01 |
| timoph | my previous one had optimus. gave it to my gf and bought a macbook | 13:02 |
| Superpelican | But you do run Linux on the macbook? ;) | 13:03 |
| timoph | yep | 13:03 |
| Superpelican | I really can't stand Optimus | 13:03 |
| Superpelican | I never use the Nvidia card | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: i think somebody, somewhere, wrote a really bad conditions contract | 13:03 |
| timoph | currently using linux on mac | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: and samsung is fucking over intel that way | 13:03 |
| Superpelican | It just heats up my laptop and reduces my battery life | 13:03 |
| timoph | Stskeeps: yep | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: because between the lines it's obvious it's not an equal partnership | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | samsung is a intel customer and the customer is demanding | 13:04 |
| Superpelican | Stskeeps: So you mean Intel is basically leading the partnership? | 13:05 |
| timoph | yeah. just like it says "samsung property" in the license | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | Superpelican: no, reverse | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | Superpelican: samsung's probably a chipset customer of intel's | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | and samsung is strong-arming intel with that | 13:05 |
| Superpelican | Does anyone know the difference between Kwrite and Kate? | 13:06 |
| Superpelican | Which one has the most features for basic programming | 13:06 |
| Superpelican | Little Python scripts, HTML etc. | 13:06 |
| timoph | dunno. I'm using vim for scripting languages | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | sroedal: funny, i patched eglfs, and fonts work in that | 13:08 |
| Superpelican | Python 3.2 syntax is compatible with Python 2.7, right? | 13:09 |
| Superpelican | Because Python 2.7 has lot's of backported features? | 13:10 |
| Superpelican | Also Python 3.3 is out | 13:10 |
| Superpelican | Gonna try to make that | 13:10 |
| Superpelican | Because I read this in the "what's new page of python3.3": | 13:10 |
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| Superpelican | Well, I can't find it anymore | 13:14 |
| Superpelican | But it was something like: "There is now no difference anymore between so-called narrow and wide builds" | 13:15 |
| Superpelican | It had something to do with the included libs | 13:15 |
| Superpelican | So I thought that maybe now some library is included by default | 13:15 |
| Superpelican | That fixes the ASCII error problem | 13:15 |
| Superpelican | with printing "²" | 13:15 |
| Superpelican | Or any other non-ASCII Unicode character | 13:16 |
| Stskeeps | sroedal: ok, spoke a bit too soon. solves -some- of the issue :) | 13:17 |
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| Superpelican | Running make | 13:19 |
| Superpelican | Of python3.3 ;-) | 13:20 |
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| Superpelican | running "print('²')" still gives this error: "SyntaxError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc2 in position 20: ordinal not in range(128)" | 13:28 |
| Superpelican | With my own maked python3.3 of course | 13:28 |
| Superpelican | ali1234: What library was it you told me last time could fix the ascii-unicode issue? | 13:28 |
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| ali1234 | Superpelican: termios or unicodedata | 13:30 |
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| ali1234 | i don't think it's a python problem... i think it's more likely an environment problem | 13:31 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: release is done | 13:32 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: good | 13:32 |
| lbt | no obvious issues | 13:32 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: importing to cobs next? | 13:32 |
| ali1234 | Superpelican: people in #python may be able to give you better advice. just tell them you're porting it | 13:32 |
| lbt | yep - just looking at http://releases.merproject.org/releases/ | 13:32 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: libcap -> libcap-ng, procps -> procps-ng | 13:40 |
| Sage_ | couple of moves we should do as well | 13:42 |
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| Superpelican | ali1234: can't ask on #python you have to register your nickname or something | 13:52 |
| Superpelican | I tried: http://www.wikihow.com/Register-a-User-Name-on-Freenode | 13:53 |
| Superpelican | But it says my nickname is already in use | 13:53 |
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| Superpelican | ali1234:registered my nickname now :D | 14:03 |
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| Superpelican | I fixed the ASCII issue: It wasn't a python error, neither had it anything to do with my python interpreter | 14:31 |
| Superpelican | It was the Mer SDK that was causing trouble | 14:31 |
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| Superpelican | Mer SDK doesn't tell Python that the environment supports UTF-8 | 14:31 |
| Superpelican | So Python interpreter thinks the shell only supports ASCII characters | 14:31 |
| Superpelican | The workaround is to manually set the local environment value to UTF-8 | 14:32 |
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| Superpelican | Just run this: "LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8" | 14:32 |
| Superpelican | That sets the enviroment variable to UTF-8 | 14:33 |
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| Superpelican | You also have to run: "export LC_CTYPE" | 14:36 |
| Superpelican | But don't thank me, but guys on #python | 14:37 |
| Superpelican | They really helped me | 14:37 |
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| phaeron | lbt: how come this is a pre release ? | 14:47 |
| Stskeeps | prerelease? should be a .1 | 14:48 |
| phaeron | the email subject is wrong | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 14:49 |
| phaeron | but it is a .1 release | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | so it is | 14:49 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: i'd like us to put testrunner-ui in Mer:Tools, what does it take to do that? | 15:34 |
| Stskeeps | and please don't say git-pkg | 15:34 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:34 |
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| cos- | which rpm's provide qdeclarative-boostable and libresourceqt1 in mer sdk? | 15:51 |
| faenil | cos-, libresourceqt1 is in libresourceqt-devel | 15:51 |
| Stskeeps | cos-: it's in nemo repos | 15:52 |
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| faenil | uploading | 15:54 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, does that make a difference from sdk user pov? | 15:54 |
| cos- | ok.. how do i add nemo repos? in /etc/zypp/repos.d/? | 15:55 |
| Stskeeps | faenil: well, if you're inside a sb2 target, not terribly much | 15:55 |
| Stskeeps | faenil: if you're in sdk, yes | 15:55 |
| faenil | right, I'm too used to being in sb2 :) | 15:55 |
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| * CosmoHill is muddy | 15:56 | |
| Stskeeps | MuddyHill ? | 15:56 |
| CosmoHill | hehe | 15:56 |
| CosmoHill | went out for a bike ride and turned back when it got too muddy | 15:58 |
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| Stskeeps | hello mix | 16:00 |
| mix | hi | 16:01 |
| Stskeeps | mix, welcome to #mer :) so what brings you here? | 16:01 |
| vgrade_ | stabs ClearCase | 16:02 |
| Stskeeps | vgrade_: hehe | 16:02 |
| CosmoHill | Stskeeps: do you greet all new comers? | 16:02 |
| CosmoHill | (new to you) | 16:02 |
| Stskeeps | CosmoHill: yes, i try | 16:02 |
| CosmoHill | kudos | 16:02 |
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| ka6sox | should I upgrade from F15 to something later to start working with mer? | 16:05 |
| vgrade_ | I don't know who decided that the default option when putting things under source control was not to preserve the case of filenames but I'd like to meet them | 16:05 |
| CosmoHill | vgrade? | 16:05 |
| Stskeeps | ka6sox: f15 has which kernel? | 16:06 |
| * ka6sox needs to boot it to check... | 16:06 | |
| mix | i was looking around for information abour mer project.. is it there a staring point on how to compile and boot the mer kernel on a generic arm device? | 16:06 |
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| Stskeeps | mix: the good news is that we don't have a mer kernel, use >2.6.32 or above that matches your hardware | 16:06 |
| Stskeeps | mix: in mer, core and hardware adaptations are seperate | 16:07 |
| vgrade_ | CosmoHill: battling some big company enforced CM system which does not play well with Linux source | 16:07 |
| CosmoHill | that is handy | 16:07 |
| CosmoHill | ah | 16:07 |
| Stskeeps | ka6sox: if 2.6.37 or above you should be fine | 16:08 |
| ka6sox | its EOL...so I should upgrade it seems. | 16:08 |
| CosmoHill | damn, i use F15 on my desktop | 16:08 |
| Stskeeps | ka6sox: at least there's a 2.6.38 kernel for f15 | 16:09 |
| Stskeeps | ka6sox: mer platform sdk is a chroot of it's own so it only cares about the kernel | 16:09 |
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| ka6sox | okay good... | 16:09 |
| ka6sox | let me get the kernel upgraded then if it isn't | 16:09 |
| Stskeeps | ka6sox: let me know if you have any questions, we're all happy to help here | 16:09 |
| ka6sox | its probably stock. | 16:10 |
| Stskeeps | stock may be 2.6.38 too | 16:10 |
| ka6sox | Stskeeps, much apprecited. | 16:10 |
| mix | stskeeps: thanks.. i'll start, from the wiki pages | 16:10 |
| Stskeeps | mix: is your device armv6, armv7, ? | 16:10 |
| alterego | Erm .. Have I broken obs? | 16:13 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: hmm? | 16:13 |
| CosmoHill | hey alterego | 16:13 |
| alterego | Howdy | 16:14 |
| alterego | Oh, hmm. | 16:14 |
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| alterego | I see you can't have an i486 and i586 repo in same project | 16:16 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: hm? | 16:17 |
| alterego | I was trying to build the i586 cross compiler for sb2 in the same project as my i486 cross compiler, and it seems it confused obs a bit. | 16:17 |
| Stskeeps | it might, yeah | 16:17 |
| alterego | It broke i486, so I commented out the meta section for the i586 cross repo and it's working now. | 16:18 |
| alterego | I'll have to tidy up these projects I guess. | 16:18 |
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| alterego | Probably a bug :P | 16:19 |
| alterego | But it is a somewhat confusing setup I guess. | 16:20 |
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| ka6sox | does mer care about 32/64 host? | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | not really but let us know if you encounter issues | 16:32 |
| CosmoHill | should be fine | 16:33 |
| alterego | Well, I've done something wrong. the cross compiled gcc still uses the system ld -_- | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | bad alterego | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | alterego, i'll take care of it, if there's more important things you need to do, do those :) | 16:34 |
| ka6sox | reading documentation :D | 16:34 |
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| ka6sox | Stskeeps, in some ways this is more optimized for what we are doing with OpenWebOS. | 16:38 |
| ka6sox | the architecture is more aligned with what is needed. | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | ka6sox: what i usually say is that if you try to do a non-android stack, you end up with 90-95% mer anyway | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | so why not just base on mer and diverge in the areas you need to | 16:40 |
| ka6sox | yes, I can see this... | 16:41 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: i don't suppose you're around? | 16:42 |
| ka6sox | what creates the diagrammes: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/File:Architecture_Centrallibraries_Context.png | 16:42 |
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| Stskeeps | ka6sox: wiki.meego.com/AgileBrowser | 16:42 |
| ka6sox | thanks | 16:43 |
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| Stskeeps | ka6sox: http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/mer-core10.svg and zoom out | 16:46 |
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| ka6sox | Stskeeps, wow.... | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | ka6sox: and that's not even full picture | 16:47 |
| ka6sox | your documentation is quite useful...the wiki is one of the best for finding things I've found. | 16:48 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, but not entirely there yet | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | we can focus on doing a good core, which is nice | 16:48 |
| ka6sox | still, I was looking for a glossary and found that too... | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | and throw away uis if needed without having to re-make entire stack | 16:49 |
| ka6sox | shared state is a very nice concept to work with. | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | ka6sox: did you see our QA tools yet? | 16:50 |
| ka6sox | no, not yet...haven't gotten there... | 16:51 |
| ka6sox | today I am reading the documentation before I attempt to set this all up so I can learn. | 16:51 |
| Stskeeps | http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/testtrunner-manual.png , http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/testplanner.png , http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/hostbased.png | 16:51 |
| Stskeeps | yep | 16:51 |
| ka6sox | we don't really have testsuites other than build regression | 16:53 |
| Stskeeps | we aren't good in that area either but we have amazing infra and tools for it.. https://qareports.jollamobile.com/testing/Mer/Automated/VM , https://qareports.jollamobile.com/testing/Mer/Automated/VM/44 | 16:53 |
| ka6sox | (because we don't build in sB2 or qemu | 16:53 |
| Stskeeps | and automated VMs for testing without hw, too | 16:53 |
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| timoph | Stskeeps: I am now :) | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | errr.. | 16:55 |
| Stskeeps | ignore that | 16:55 |
| timoph | ignored | 16:56 |
| timoph | :p | 16:56 |
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| cybette | stskeeps: who gets the money collected in that jar? :P | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | http://qa-reports.meego.com/1.2/Handset/Acceptance/N900CE , http://qa-reports.meego.com/1.2/Handset/Acceptance/N900CE/3317 | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | there, now forget all about the previous qa-reports link | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:57 |
| ka6sox | beer fund? | 16:57 |
| cybette | o/ for beer! | 16:58 |
| iekku | \o | 16:58 |
| * iekku haz beer | 16:58 | |
| * cybette has lonkero... close enough for now | 16:59 | |
| timoph | I would have guessed liquorice | 16:59 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: does testrunner-ui host field support host:port notation? | 16:59 |
| timoph | Stskeeps: iirc yes | 16:59 |
| Stskeeps | ok, good | 16:59 |
| timoph | if not, I'll fix it | 16:59 |
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| timoph | hmmh. do we still consider the platform sdk as a work in progress? | 17:01 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: what isn't WIP in open source.. | 17:01 |
| timoph | or can I remove that note from the wiki main page | 17:01 |
| timoph | yep | 17:01 |
| alterego | emacs | 17:01 |
| alterego | Can't remember the last time they updated that | 17:02 |
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| alterego | Then there's all those redundant FOSS projects, like ... | 17:02 |
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| timoph | I'm removing the note. I think it's ready enough | 17:03 |
| Stskeeps | alrighty then | 17:03 |
| ka6sox | timoph, it doesn't read like a WIP | 17:03 |
| ka6sox | it seems compleat to me. | 17:04 |
| timoph | yep. the sdk page has enough warnings so no need to have wip disclaimer in the wiki's main page | 17:05 |
| alterego | Don't rm -rf /parentroot | 17:05 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. | 17:05 |
| timoph | unless you really want to :p | 17:06 |
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| CosmoHill | hmm, Xilo or AAISP? | 18:00 |
| dm8tbr | aaisp is cool | 18:01 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: I've enabled qemu tools in qemu-usermode - do you want them in a discrete qemu-tools package? qemu-img is the main one I want to make vmdk vbox images. | 18:01 |
| lbt | and I'll sort out testrunner-ui later | 18:01 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: seperate package if ok | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: qemu-usermode goes into sb2 tools root, -static goes into obs builds | 18:08 |
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| lbt | yep - making the qemu-tools rpm as part of qemu-usermode build is OK isn't it ? | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 18:25 |
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| ljp | hmm.. my osc build of mobility failed. boo hoo | 18:52 |
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| ljp | wth is lib/off? qt-mobility/lib/off: No such file or directory. | 19:08 |
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| Stskeeps | yay netsplits | 21:00 |
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| vgrade | kulve, ping | 22:15 |
| vgrade | kulve, I'm getting gfx-rpi-1-6.1.armv6l requires libmmal_vc_client.so when I build an image. | 22:16 |
| vgrade | I don't see that file in the git so raised an issue there | 22:17 |
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| Venemo | hey Stskeeps | 22:24 |
| Venemo | how hard is it to set up libhybris on a random android device? | 22:24 |
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| kaziklubey | Office Space on the telly. Love it :) | 23:31 |
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